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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by saigonwolves, Nov 30, 2008.

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  1. saigonwolves

    saigonwolves Guest

    Bless them:

    http://joysandsorrows.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7777&start=60

    Wolves will not do as well in the second half of the season and Reading will fade after they sell Doyle and Hunt in January. None of the other teams will come close. I firmly believe that we will get stronger as the season goes on and will probably finish top.

    I've seen the cracks appearing in Wolves. Where is this wonderful flair? The greatness? All Wolves are doing are exploiting weaknesses in the defence. Where was Iwelumo today?

    The only Wolves goal came about because of sloppy defence at that point. Everybody says how wonderful Wolves are, but there was no one around the goalscorer. I think Wolves have been an incredibly lucky team who are relying a bit too much on errors.

    I believe Wolves will have another blip. We're still getting stronger!

    I see Wolves goals against Blackpool, Sheffield and us, and Wolves seem to have been incredibly lucky, seeming that they're only relying on defensive errors.

    I don't think they're that great of a team.


    Saying that, if us and Wolves do go up I could see us finishing well above them with them possibly being relegated.

    http://www.smallheathalliance.com/board/read.php?1,388093
    I truly believe the Dogheads will fall by the wayside in the new year & as per usual someone will come with a mad run to pip them to the automatic spot with us - BCFC leaving them & their ilk in our wake

    I have too agree. They have a good team but there squad is poor.

    oi thats $$$$$$, $$$$$$ . McCartney sent everything on barr Moxey at end and even then an $$$$ about tit formation that we had were close to takin all 3 points ...$$$$ all this who played well/bad nonsense . . . which team on monday morn trainin will be thinking/feeling most positive and confident for future . . .tis my personal opinion but too much nit pickin & moaning goin on for $$$$ sake...point away to league leaders who have nailed all n sundry aint bad in my book...dis-agree..?
     
  2. BlahBlah

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    I think we will.
    We'll know not to show teams like that more respect than they deserve and play our own game from start to finish.
    Tricky game out of the way and the lead is intact.
     
  3. saigonwolves

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    I agree. - none of the posts seem to mention that the blues goal came from a defensive error either, or that they were unable to deal with MM's change in tactics.

    The last 30 mins showed that we can more than match anything that's thrown at us. We just need to keep on winning and wearing the rest of the division down. Don't think we'll be able to relax at any point though - blues and reading are too strong for that to happen and will push us all the way. A big test of our mental strength.
     
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  4. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Not sour grapes but I thought that Blouse were really average...for a team with supposedly the best quad in the division. They were a team of 6ft+ cloggers that played long balls over the top for Jerome and Bent to run onto, they lacked any guile and I can see why the were relegated.

    It was no surprise to me that we got stronger as the game went on, they tired and with an accumulation of yellow cards they just couldnt risk hacking kightly down every time he had the ball...(as they had in the first half). I do think that first half Kightly was scared to death of Quedrue and faded badly, it was an inspired move to switch him to the lh side where he skinned their replacement fullback at will.

    Can't say I would be a happy Blues fan having to watch that style of football every week, especially as their manager said that was their best performance away from home.

    A few Blues fans have said to me that their performances have been poor but they have ground out results with last minute winners etc, to be honest I think its not so much poor performances - I just think that is how they play. As for Wolves goal being luck...how was Ward skinning his man, putting a great cross in and SEB opening his body up to despatch it luck????
     
  5. Law's Bus

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    Indeed - whilst they weren't a bad side and you can see exactly how they're in second place (hooooof to huge players, plus ONE goalscorer), they're not a patch on Reading, who really did make us look daft.
     
  6. wolf of sedgley

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    Reading various blues fans take on the game and listening to them on the radio, a lot of them really are very arrogant. The general view is that we are crap, in a false position, been lucky so far this season, and that they have nothing to worry about- they will catch us. I have also noticed that they are furious that we dare be above them. In my opinion, the reason we have fallen a bit short when we have played Reading and Blues is because they have far, far more experience than us, and we appear to show them too much respect and just hoof it. When we calm down and take it to them then they don't like it, as we saw with our far superior finish yesterday.
     
  7. And their goal wasn't down to our 'sloppy defensive error'?

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    Let them believe they're going to finish top. After yesterdays game and Alex M's post match comment of "that was the best we have played away all season", we have nothing to worry about.
     
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  8. jayeff17

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    Perhaps blues liked playing in front of a big crowd !!!!!
     
  9. wolf of sedgley

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    Their attendances say it all to be honest. Tin-pot club.
     
  10. dolmanrj

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    If we are average, they must be bloody awful. At least we dont lose at home to teams like Blackpool and Coventry. We beat what is put in front of us. For a side of big stars they werent that brilliant. Reading are a better than them. We might not have the team of stars that they have but we are more effective than them. Where were the defensive mistakes for our goals at Sheffield United on tuesday?sounds like sour grapes to me, they believe they should be walking this league.
     
  11. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    We didn't play to our best potential, Blues put in an above average display (according to their fans). You can take that one of two ways, either they deserved to beat us yesterday, or over the course of the season we'll better them.
     
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    its always dangerous to judge a team on one performance as many seem to do. 20 games in and having played most teams, having scored a hatful of goals, 6 points in front at the top suggests were no mugs. take the age and experience of the teams and we look an up and coming side. what happens for the rest of the season nobody can say, when injuries etc play such a big part, but from what ive seen of our team it fills me with the confidence to suggest we will take some stopping.
     
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    If Blues are the next Brazil - as these morons would have you believe - why are most of their fans watching from their armchairs?
     
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    They reminded me of us when we went up. Experienced players and a very strong midfield. Carsley tired yesterday but by God he was good before then. I think they've got enough about them to hold off Reading, to be honest.
     
  15. yammer

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    Its quite funny that they can call us luckly when we have been winning by 2 and 3 goal margins all season where as they have been largely relying on a 35 year old striker to bail them out in the 9th minute of injury time.
     
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    sour grapes from them. We deserve to be top - 15wins shows that. They were bitter they had 2 'goals' disallowed - one for hand-ball, and the first off-side we all stopped once flag went up anyway, Henessey didn't even try to save it.

    Wait till the end of the season and see where we all finish - then we'll see.
     
  17. wolfyjoe

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    Birmingham were by far the better side, let's be honest! We passed the ball like 10 year olds for the first 45 minutes and their midfield totally dominated!
    Still, I don't think they're right about u capitalising on errors and so what if we do, it's just a shame for them that they couldn't capitalise on ours!
     
  18. Tarcisio Mifsud

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    The table will not lie no matter what they say, we are top because we deserve to be there, luck is a matter of 50/50. We could have been a goal up had the ball not hit the post rather than going in, so we were unlucky there. Luck was with them because Streaman could have done better with the ball rather than heading it softly. The referee was always giving 50/50 incidents to them, at one time it was a timely tackle by Spearman that a avoided a second goal by Jerome after he had pushed Stearman in front of the referee who allowed play to go on. All these incidents show that luck was more on their side yesterday. Had we been lucky Vokes would have scored at least one goal out of the two opportunities that came his way at the end, by which we could have buried them. The blues do not have a good team, they just have a bunch of tall players hoofing the ball all the time, see possession percentage of the match.
     
  19. Brizzlewolf

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    I don't think so. We started better dominated the first 10 mins. Backs to wall for the rest of the half......Started slowly second half but really took it to them when we went behind particularly after the subs. I thought a draw was about right on the balance of play. Far better side!? I think not.
     
  20. kal1000

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    On one Blues forum, they already have announced themselves as the best side in the Championship after their epic performance yesterday afternoon.

    Birmingham 1 - 0 Sheffield United (Blues got out of jail big time)
    Wolves 0 - 3 Reading
    Cardiff 1 - 2 Birmingham
    Burnley 1 - 0 Reading (Reading heavily dominated, Jensen was outstanding)
    Bristol City 1 - 2 Birmingham
    Cardiff 1 - 2 Wolves
    Cardiff 2 - 2 Reading (10 men Reading were better)
    Bristol City 1 - 4 Reading
    Sheffield United 0 - 2 Reading
    Sheffield United 1 - 3 Wolves
    Swansea 2 - 3 Birmingham
    Wolves 1 - 1 Birmingham (Blues had the better chances)

    The point i am trying to make is that it is NOT easy being the home team in this division when you face opposition of decent quality and who are capable of being organised/well drilled. When you consider the above and our 2nd half performance, we did well.
     
  21. All their players, fans, manager etc have done is talk about us. In the build up to the game, it was all about us and now after the game, again it's all about us. I think they need to take a step back and look at themselves.

    Yesterday, we didn't play to our potential and they played 'the best they have all season' - You'd think they'd just WON the league after this result, not drew against a team 6 points clear of them.

    We've won our games and have been the best team in the division. We've had injuries and the majority of the squad have chipped in. For them to say 'we're lucky' and that 'their squad isn't strong' is rather amusing.

    Yesterday, they had a good first team out - and a $$$$ bench. They have experience and have just come down to from the Premiership. If this draw was such a good result for them, so much so that all their manager and players can do is talk about it like they've won a world war, then good for them!

    It's all summed up by the fact we're more concerned about Reading then we are of Blues. I think they should concentrate more on looking over their shoulders and keeping an eye on Reading or whoever is in 3rd place, then at watching what we're doing.

    Well done for your point Blues. I'm thrilled for you that you're still 6 points behind us.
     
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  22. wolfyjoe

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    Ok, maybe not far better in general, but on the day and especially in the first half where Birmingham pinned us back in our own half!
    I'll admit we were better second half but after today I feel that we should look to strengthen our midfield. Carsley was the reason David Jones did nothing and why we lost the midfield battle.
    On a more positive note, I think we're doing incredibly well considering we don't have a left winger! It would have been a different story today if we'd had Jarvis fit and in form!
     
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    I've seen blues a number of times this season and they've been awful. Yesterday was the best I've seen them. "The best they've played this season" their manager said....and they were still hanging on for a point against a lucky championship side!!!
     
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    That a new swear word you've invented there Jinky? Nice amalgamation of 2 to evade the swear filter. :)
     
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    Working with people who hail from South Birmingham, i'm surprised they can write their own names, let alone string a few ignorant sentences together.

    There's othing to get worked up about, they know we have a young, relatively inexperienced team and are hoping we'll crack.

    But it isn't gonna happen, not this time.
     
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    Blues were better in the first half and we didn't seem to be able to keep the ball longer then a few seconds. They are a big strong side - not pretty to watch but effective at cramping our usual style.

    It took us a while to get used to it and after the goal the second half was a different story and we were all over them in the last 10-15 minutes. The fact that Maik Taylor found it necessary to hold onto the ball as long as possible at the end is a giveaway as to which team was more likely to snatch a winner.
     
  27. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    I've gone on that forum and you've been a bit selective with your quoting, there are a lot of people saying they just can't see Wolves dropping enough points etc etc. A lot of the fans on there aren't supremely confident. Empty vessels make the most noise and all that...
     
  28. W01ves

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    How about we switch off from whatever it is the others are saying about us and just concentrate on the results of each game we play and how WE play. If you attach too much importance into what others around us are saying then you end up playing stupid mind games and get wound up over things that aren't actually important. Who cares whether others think we aren't playing great, who cares if they think we'll slip up, good for them they have the extra time to be bothered to talk about us like that. As long as we carry on going the way we have been all season, we'll do more than okay. Don't forget we are a young side on the up which is going from strength to strength, Birmingham are a side full of ageing players who will have to eventually go down the route we have if they fail this season especially with their cost cutting support this season.

    Concentrate on our own, not what others think.
     
  29. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    This is of course only a statistic, but the title is now totally in our hands, even in Birmingham and Reading both beat us in the league games we have with them, the title would still be in our hands. The point is, W01ves is right, we can just concentrate on our own performances. And even though against Reading and Blues we've looked a bit short, against the lower teams in the league we look to be the best of the 3 at getting results.
     
  30. wolvesman

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    Usual hard cheese from similar fans at any club.

    Speaking to a level headed blue nose he and many others were pleased with their improved performance (lifted against a better side in front of a big crowd).He was glad of the point at the end.

    In fact he thought the game was a good advert for football and has a confirmed new respect for us, Two very good sides at this level of football.Their league positions says it all really.
     
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    No team gets to this stage of the season with this many points and this many goals without having some qualities. In a lot of the games we have won the opposition have had their hard luck stories but we kept on winning - mark of a good side.

    Blues and Reading are both going to have to improve and we are going to have to go backwards - could happen but I'd rather be in our position with our players who have demonstrated what we can do. We've also tightened up at the back too.
     
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    We are still a work in progress and although they looked much better organised and nullified our threats in the first half they generally ran out of gas in the last 15mins and were on the ropes by the end.

    There is much more potential in our squad than theirs and this season is the beginning of that being realised. We all know that the current team would struggle in the Premiership and the games against Reading and Birmingham have given us a good indication of the very least needed to stay out of the bottom three in the Prem. We will need to strengthen in at least three positions to have a hope of survival and probably will need around six new quality squad players altogether if we get up as well as signing Mancienne.

    You have to laugh when they talk about our luck etc. Without Phillips scoring last minute goals they would be at least six points worse off. He at 35 and Carsley at 34 will not be around next season and that will be a massive loss. Apart fom Iwelumo all our key players are early twenties and will get better and better.
     
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    For a squad containing Premier League pedigree like James McFadden, Sebastian Larsson, Lee Carsley etc, you have to say they are very very average. They did not impress me as much as I thought they would yesterday.

    Will McFadden and Larsson still be around in January when both were very close to engineering moves on deadline day? I doubt it. Their board will take the money and run as they always have.
     
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  34. Powelly

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    Thats a bit harsh on Blues board IMO... fair enough if we were talking about albion who have only really backed their managers with funds generated from sales.

    Yes Sullivan and the Golds dont always come across as the best of chairmen in media circles but on the whole since their time in charge they have generally backed their managers fairly substantially in the transfer market ( and in the wage budget).

    Lets be honest how many other clubs in this division could "afford" or be prepared to be paying the wages of Mcfadden, Carsley, Phillips, Ridgewell, Bent, Quedrue, Jaidi etc.. I imagine Mcleish is on a lot more £££ than Mccarthy, Coppel or any other manager in this league either.

    The Golds and Sullivan have done as much for Blues as Sir Jack did in his first 10 years at Wolves
     
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    Rotund - possibly
    Anonymous - definitely
    Shinner - No $$$$ing chance

    We got a draw yesterday because player for player we were better. As a team Blues were on top, but individual performances from Kites/Ward/Stearman and a one off brilliance from SEB got us the draw. Had Blues taken the chances the team made then they'd have won... but they didn't, and we did. Shinner?! Quite clearly a really composed finish across the goal.
     
  37. Mugwump

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    What the hell was that for a review by Alan Wotton? and who is this numpty anyway. I know we didnt play our best, but reading this you would have thought it was blues from start to finish and we got 1 lucky shot in and score. Cockwomble.
     
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    As if we didn't know before, we are going to have to match Birmingham and Reading from now on in to secure promotion. Birmingham are hard to beat and Reading can tank teams when on form so both will pick up a lot of points between now and the end of the season.

    They are both expecting us to run out of gas so we have to keep winning and prove them wrong.
     
  39. haden-wolf

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    I know a few blue noses who are decentfella's with two eyes, even they admit Blue's TRULY think they are a premier club stuck in the wrong league, imho the results also bear this out, if they have to up their game they can to an extent as in the first half, but more importantly if they play a 'lesser' club they get caught with their pants down as they stroll round the park.
    They remind me too of certain of our sides in the past, when we would throw point after point away against 'weaker' sides

    As mentioned by others, all they did was talk about us, this tripe being spouted by their players is empty bravado, their players and their fans.

    Look at the various pictures of their players after SEB's goal -they look defeated, how quiet was the lower tier of the SB after we scored.

    They might being saying it but they don't believe it.

    Lets see how they cope at Small Heath when we visit with a balanced side, I don't fancy those old legs against a team with Jarvis and Kightley running against them late in the second half.

    If they are better away than at home and the first half is the best they have, we have far more tofear from the team 13 points behind us at time of typing
     

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