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Anti-social Behaviour in Britain

Discussion in 'OT Forum retired' started by Reverend V, May 10, 2006.

Is Britain Europe's capital of yob culture?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Not sure

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  1. Reverend V

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    Pretty depressing reading - according to a report by ADT and the Jill Dando Institute of Crime, Britain is Europe's yob capital..

    The perception of Britain being a haven for yobs, is based on factors such as over-consumption of alcohol and lack of discipline.

    Recent changes in alcahol licensing were are also criticised.
     
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  2. Deutsch Wolf

    Deutsch Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    "Yob capital", at a whole 1% higher than France, scene of widespread riots last year?

    Yes, anti-social behaviour is a real problem, but the change in licensing laws is a red herring. I've personally noticed no change, either for better or worse, in the level of yobbish behaviour since the laws were changed.
     
  3. Wivey Wolf

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    That's because you're $$$$ed 24/7
     
  4. John

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    Doesn't seem to put people of wanting to live here though. An "army" of Poles on the way to help fill shortfall for WM travel, according to last nights E and S. At least Frankie will be alright on the buses.
     
  5. those poles are all going to be working for B&Q, trust me...
     
  6. John

    John Guest

    Can't be any less helpful than the majority of B and Q staff
     
  7. fenella

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    So because a few Italians, who have probably never been to Britain, think we have a big problem with anti-social behaviour they conclude that "Britain has the worst record for anti-social behaviour in Europe.". Hmmn, great survey. Oh, sure, they asked a few Britons as well, most of whom answered based on what they'd read in the Daily Mail that morning.
     
  8. it takes years to train them to that level
     
  9. markb

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    What? they have staff?
     
  10. Bill McCai

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    The scrubber underclass is to blame ( again ) along with the dullards like Papper, Mobnet et al who have no clue in how to lead normal lives without offending respectable people. Again I have seen no difference in AS Behavior since new licensing laws came into effect.

    I have come up with a plan to cure Britain of the problems facing us -

    A Plan to Cure Us -

    All Daily Mail readers to be shot – or decapitated.

    All McDonalds loiterers to be shipped direct to Baghdad, Australia or Sudan.
     
  11. Visage Wolf

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    Staff and pole mean the same thing.
     
  12. Visage Wolf

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    Doctor What? is that you?
     
  13. Odd cos I've seen studies quoted in the press that say arrests for drunk and disorder actually fell after the change in licensing laws. In any case I fail to see how supermarkets being able to sell alcohol 24/7 and the odd pub in town staying open til 1 at a weekend will cause the breakdown of society.
     
  14. Lupo Italiano

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    You only have to watch programmes like Wife Swap (don't laugh, I mean it) to see how family life and discipline seems to be breaking up.

    Every week it features some scrubber who is happy for her shell suit wearing tribe to run riot, live off junk food, drink (there were 9 year old in Monday nights who had got peed on WKD and the parents did not see the problem), lack basic disciplines such as being able to sit at a table and eat a family meal, etc...

    I have children next door to me who are growing into hyper active nuisances, they scream and shout rather than speak, they skulk around looking like rejects, they seem incapable of eating proper food, they live on crisps, chocolate and fizzy pop.

    They are aged 11 and 9 I think.

    How will they be when teenagers? And what sort of children will they sire? And so it goes on and on.

    You only have to go round any town or city centre to see the usual look... baseball bat, hooded top, shell suits, white spotty faces, spaced out eyes, often carrying a can of lager and smoking even though they're only 13 or 14.

    I visit a few places in Europe, plus large cities and I don't see these kinds of 'youths' around.

    Harking back to WS, every week there are families on there who seem to be proud of the fact that they lack any kind of discipline or repect and see it as a badge of honour.
     
  15. Netherton Wolf

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    Agree 100% Lupo, in the majority of cases parents/family are to blame, as this is where it all starts, you bring your kids up correctly, and they usually follow suit. I have 3 teenagers who right from an early age have been taught:

    manners - i insist they always said please/thankyou
    do not throw litter on the floor keep it until you have found a bin
    do not damage anybody else's property
    respect your elders and do not answer back
    we sit and talk thing through as a family
    they have never been allowed to wander the streets, they have lots of activities and friends and we ferry them everywhere(unpaid taxi service)
    I have never had a bad report from any of their school and at the end their teachers comments were
    " your child is happy, polite and very trustworthy and a pleasure to have in class" which has always bought me to tears.

    I know everyone isn't this lucky and parents breakups can cause havoc with a childs life - especially adolescence years - when it hits a child hardest. But the majority of these "yobs" come from broken homes.

    Sorry to go on but this is one of my pet hates.
     
  16. John

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    TBF, I'm mid thirties and looked like that at 13/14. Can of tennats super and fags bought individually for 5p (with a match!)
    Just because mainland europe don't do that doesn't mean it's wrong.
    The only difference is the increase in rights for young people and the lack of official violence in their lives. I was too wary of getting battered by people to cause much trouble as a kid, now most teenagers know the law is on thier side so that fear does not exsist.
     
  17. John

    John Guest

    So my children will grow up to be yobs will they?
    $$$$ it, I might as well give up now then.
     
  18. Grinder

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    The sooner they bring back national service the better.
     
  19. Deutsch Wolf

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    I see his spell in Plymouth hasn't changed Leon.
     
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    I'm from a 'broken home' and don’t class myself as a 'yob'.
     
  21. John

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    Do you blame your parents for not staying together?
    Will my kids blame me?
     
  22. Lupo Italiano

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    John, this is the root of the problem. Britain is paying the price for its softly softly liberal approach of the last few years.

    In years gone by, teachers and headmasters could slipper/cane miscreants without fear of police action, it did the children good. The majority of Britain's WWII heroes probably had this punishment at least once in their school days, did it scar them for life and make them misadjusted?

    I went to primary school in the late 70s/early 80s and I had a few wallops from the headmaster but I learnt from it. By the time I reached secondary school I was a model pupil and I am now a polite, respectful, respectable adult.

    A lot of these youths now run riot because they know no adult has the guts to stand up to them because suddenly they will become 'children' again.

    Netherton Wolf, good post btw. Your methods are ones I applaud but are sadly too rare i today's society.
     
  23. Deutsch Wolf

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    Ladies and gentleman, presenting the new columnist for the Daily Mail.

    You seriously think that corporal punishment is the answer?
     
  24. Lupo Italiano

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    No. I think letting them run riot and eeking the occasional "behave or you're grounded" in their direction and rolling your eyes as they completely ignore you is the answer.
     
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  25. Netherton Wolf

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    I said the majority of "yobs" come from broken homes, I didn't say all broken homes produced yobs!

    I have many friends who are divorced but have very happy well balanced children.
     
  26. John

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    I do.
    Fear kept me in line, $$$$ all else.
    I knew if I got caught $$$$ing about, teachers would lamp me and then when my dad found out I'd get it again.
    The same applied to any adult really.
     
  27. John

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    Any in the 28-35 age bracket?;)
     

  28. no need mate - they can still be brought up well, even if the situation makes some things a bit more awkward than in a family unit.
     
  29. Bill McCai

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    Have you got any statistics to prove this?
     
  30. markb

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    I went to school in the 60s & 70s, and yes, teachers did attack pupils. Fat lot of good it did though - the 70s marked the low-point in football hooliganism in England. such simplistic views might sound good down the pub with your mates, but the answer is far more complicated than 'bring back the cane'.
     
  31. Netherton Wolf

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    Yes I have, but these r private and confidential stats from work I do, and do not want to discuss them here, these are only local to the midlands area but I'm sure its a national trend. As I said before I am not saying that every family who splits up have their childrend turned into yobs, but I am saying that nearly all youngsters who are caught shoplifting/causing street damage etc come from broken homes. Most are not scared/worried about you going to tell their parents, because their parents are of the same breed, and you get a mouthful from them to.
     
  32. John

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    How come you'll answer everyone else's question and not mine?
     
  33. Deutsch Wolf

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    It's not as simple as that though, is it? What about economic factors? Is the rate of divorce and percentage of one-parent families higher in poorer areas? I would imagine so.

    By that token, I could say "The majority of yobs come from economically disadvantaged families. Therefore poverty is the problem".
     
  34. Jack Bauer

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    Fear always keeps people in line, look at Megson at Forest.
     
  35. Netherton Wolf

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    Sorry John, missed that one, yes is the answer, 2 of my friends were left with children when their husband went off, one was 35 the other 33.
     
  36. Netherton Wolf

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    Agreed, a lot of single parents live in disadvantaged areas, so yes I agree the two go hand in hand unfortunately.
     
  37. markb

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    Or,
    "The majority of yobs are white. Therefore race is the problem"
     
  38. Deutsch Wolf

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    Or,

    "There is a higher proportion of immigrants in the areas where yobs live. Therefore immigration is the problem".
     
  39. John

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    My kids are boys, white and from a broken home. Oh and Wolves fans. Should I have them arrested in advance?
     
  40. markb

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    No, you should give them a good kicking, to teach them some respect. After all, it never did Lupo Italiano any harm, did it?
     

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