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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by dr cool, Dec 11, 2008.

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  1. dr cool

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    i have a feeling he may be first goal scorer on saturday, could be good odds....i have a feeling !:eek:

    dr:cool:
     
  2. fullmoon

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    Yes! He will if he is in the starting line up;)
    C'mon Andy! We are with you;)
     
  3. PabloWolfo

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    7/1 with Blue Square. I'm sure there are better odds out there, though.
     
  4. Carlos#5

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    You don't get much better odds for that for any striker, no matter how unprolific.

    I havent looked, but I wouldnt be overly surprised to see Stephen Ward still around the 8/1 mark, no more than 10/1 anyway, just because he 'may' play up front.

    Now I have looked, Stephen Ward is 9/1. Thought so. Not very good odds for someone who is effectively a left back (barring last game).

    Actually, thats at Ladbrokes, and Andy Keogh is 9/2! Just behind SEB and CI on 7/2!

    Like I say, a striker is a striker, in the first goalscoring odds sense.
     
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  5. MonkeySpanner

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    I don't know why MM hasen't tried him in central midfield. He's got the passing and the running around and is an intelligent player, he just struggles to hit the back of the net consistently...sounds like a great attacking midfielder to me.
     
  6. Wulfhere

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    I suppose that on the law of averages Keogh will have to score eventually. Personally if Iwelumo is unfit I hope Vokes play and not Keogh.
     
  7. Dougal McGuire

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    I think he'd get knocked off the ball too easily...

    Agreed, I'd like to see Vokes get a decent crack at the first team.
     
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    Blimey, the where best to play AK question again?!
     
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    I agree winning a penalty and setting up a goal in the last games and two decent sub performances aren't enough!!
     
  10. Wulfhere

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    I just think that Keogh needs to play off a big man to do some of the physical stuff for him and I don't think he is good enough to replace Ebanks-Blake. He has been unlucky never really to have the opportunity to play in what would be his natural role in the team. I went on Tuesday and thought Keogh did a decent job but not as good as some say. He did play an important part in the goals but he finishing is suspect to say the least and he is a bit lightweight to lead the line. On the plus side he does link up play with Kightly and Ebanks-Blake well when he gets it right. I am not a huge Keogh fan but certainly not a Keogh hater and if he plays I hope he does well but my personal preference would be for Vokes because I believe he leads the line better, is a more physical presence and a more natural goal scorer. So put your claws away.
     
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    Easily pleased ;)
     
  12. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Steady on, it was a decent perfomance from Keogh...but you can't say that it wasn't due. law of averages says that eventually you have a decent game.

    It was a positive sign and I really hope he can build on it, his subs appearances as far as I have been concerned have ranged between poor and mediocre at best.

    Lets hope he has turned the corner and we see a new, or even, a 1st season Keogh
     
  13. Keogh is turning into the new Freddie......with a demented fan club for an average player.
     
  14. wanderer24

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    Keogh will still more goals this season than that pile of poo
     
  15. Sheriff Woody

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    There's always got to be a scapegoat with our fans hasn't there?

    Keogh got 11 or 12 goals last season, which I'm guessing put him in our top 3 ish scorers?!? This season he's played a bit part but because he's not classed as a natural goalscorer he gets stick, lets face it until SEB signed last year we didn't really have anyone who was a natural in front of goal. His movement off the ball and his runs into the channels are very good. By doing this he drags defenders all over the show creating space for other players in the team. Try watching him throughout the game when he's not in possession of the ball and you'll see his genuine worth to the team.
     
  16. Wanderer24....Keogh is playing for a better team than Freddie.

    Sherriff Woody.... whatever Keogh's good points, and he has some, a confident striker he isn't. So if he's played as a twin striker our opponents only have one player to mark.

    Good lad but has a lot to prove!
     
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    That's just laughable. If Barnsley signed Frankowski tomorrow and started him on Saturday, do you think we'd just not bother marking him?
     
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    Anyway avoiding the pointless Keogh debate, he's ok by the way, odds on first scorer, keep an eye on Stearman I'm including him in my scorecast list each week, around 150 to 300 odds with score 3-1 or 3-0.
    Anyone not cashing in on scorecast with Ebanks, Iwelumo and Kightly is foolish for this season. £'s in.
     
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    With respect I know of no professional clubs that would allow a player to just wander around on his own without anybody marking him, whether zonally or man to man. To say he offers no threat to others teams is complete fallacy, whatever his strengths and weaknesses he is without doubt an asset to this club and the team itself. Whilst he doesn't score as many goals as Steve Bull, Gary Lineker, Pele, Romario and Gerd Muller combined as some would like I think he creates a lot through his movement and intelligent play. Unfortunately intelligent play doesn't count for a lot with some people.
     
  20. Hello sheffiff....face it, you're a Keogh fan just like Glasgow! No need to become obsessive, he's just a player.
     
  21. Deutsch....I doubt if anybody would bother marking the boy Franko!
     
  22. Sheriff Woody

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    Ahhhh bless, is somebody getting a bit uppity because people are trying to have a discussion?

    Actually just to humour you, I personally have no allegience to any individual I'm just a fan of Wolves in general. Players come and go but whilst they're here I support them and want them to be the best possible player they can for Wolverhampton Wanderers whether they be the greats like Mark Burke or Bully. Sometimes players performances are improved by the crowd getting behind them instead of criticising. Andy Keogh is a good player, he proved it when he first signed for the club, a little bit of positive reinforcement never hurt anybody! I agree he's not a natural goalscorer but he's an asset to the team and squad in general. If we were to sell him there'd be no shortage of clubs in this division who'd take him off our hands. In fact I believe that Giovanni Trappattoni, you know the guy, one of the most successful european club coaches ever is a fan. I guess Glasgow and I are in good company!
     
  23. Hello Sherriff, personally couldn't care less about Keogh, but his fans are becoming annoyingly obsessive. He's not the Messiah, he's just a player........and not a goalscoring striker. Which is a bit unfortunate because that's his position, he's no good on the wing and he's too weak to play anywhere else.
     
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    I am afraid that ultimately I agree. i cant help thinking Keogh stood out that first season because he was in a much weaker team than we have at present.

    Its always amazes me that because he has a good game on Tuesday that his fan club seems to think this proves his worth and that we should forget all of the lightweight, mediocre performances of the last season and a half.

    Keogh i dont think will cut it in the Prem if we are promoted. he isnt a winger so why play hime there? Everyone seems to agree that he isn't a natural goalscorer so what exactly is his role?

    And before anyone says he could play a Sherringham role - just off the striker...please think again about the qualities of these two players....then dont type it.

    i really have no axe to grind with Keogh, but this adulation for a squad player is becoming a bit....well....wierd!
     
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    It doesn't seem to be obsessive support of Keogh, just reactions to obsessive and often irrational criticism of him.

    Perhaps the way for this increasingly dull scourge of decent threads is for the pro Keogh posters to ignore the critics. It's mostly done to get a reaction, by people who find that kind of thing worth while.

    For what it's worth, while I pick the splinters out of my backside, I agree with bits and peices of both arguments. He has his problems but his positives must mean his talent surely should be nurtured and supported.

    Or should we give up and destroy his confidence?

    I will admit now, I haven't seen enough games to say how good or bad he has been this season.
     
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    I genuinely believe you have no axe to grind. But it doesn't come across that way sometimes (I know this board is tinder dry sometimes so I stress that is not meant as a criticism) <- can someone design an emoticon that sums hat up ;)
     
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    It's got nothing to do with some Wolves fans becoming 'annoyingly obsessive' with regards to Andy Keogh.
    What it does have to do with, is that quite a few Wolves fans don't take too kindly to scapegoatism.
    I personally always give my most voceiferous support to the player the knobheads are barracking.
     
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    Finally someone agrees.

    His not a winger and cant score to save his life, yet his full of effort and skill and we all like him.

    Give him a try there and we will be pleasently suprised.
     
  29. dazmanwolf

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    The performance of the team against Derby with Keogh in it showed US he has something to give.
     
  30. W01ves

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    It's called having to protect our own from our own!! Nothing to do with obsessiveness, it's just having to counteract the moron's opinions of fans thinking it's productive to boo and constantly criticise their own players. Rather than effectively teaming up with other team's supporters and helping them make us play low on confidence, we would rather help, cheer and support any member of our team who wears the old gold and black when they need it most, and now is that time.

    Nothing pro Wolves will ever come of slating our own players, regardless of personal agenda, thinking they're crap, lightweight, non prolific etc. Mick was so incensed by it he had to release a video to tell the idiots how stupid they were being and telling them they weren't welcome at the club! The decent fans applauded him for it. Whether it's performances on the pitch or the valuation of players we get when it comes to selling them, it's counter-productive and downright idiotic, period.

    I was amused at the irony of this comment:
    Ever thought that his lack of confidence might be down to fans like you slating him waiting for him to slip up? Catch 22 really isn't it! It boils down to whether you (the collective anti-Keogh lot) want him to succeed and therefore ultimately Wolves or you want to keep up your agendas with the tirade of abuse and watch how he doesn't perform for your supposed football club... Ultimately you can only lose out from it. Fortunately during Tuesday's game, sense finally prevailed and he was getting much better support. Much, much more is needed in future.
     
  31. dazmanwolf

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    Well said.....the boo boys need to get behind the whole team regardless.

    Remember the Southampton game where we were being hammered....we all cheered even when they scored. Best atmosphere of any game I've been to in years.
     
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    This is a laughable thread. Keogh the new 'Freddy'! What a joke. If I were to explain why, I feel I would be so patronising that I just can't bring myself to do it, even if it does appear I would be addressing 5 year olds.

    What seems apparent, is that those 'weirdly and obsessively' supporting Keogh are not saying he is a messiah and should automatically start up front, merely illustrating his value as a squad player. Unlike the farcical adulation that was shown for that waste of space last season.

    There also seems, at a glance, to be a correlation between those who moronically hero worshipped Freddy, and those that are suggesting Keogh is crap. This alone speaks volumes. Which is all I can say without being offensive.

    Finally, why oh why, when we are top of the league with our best season in as long as we can remember, do we actually need to make anybody a scapegoat. We don't need to pick on our own players, especially fringe or squad players. We are actually top of the league, believe it or not.

    Although it appears it is hard to believe, for those that are seriously hard of thinking out there.
     
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    If Iwelumo is fit he should start. End of.

    Yeah Keogh did OK Tues but he is not even a tenth of the threat Iwelumo poses.
     
  34. dazmanwolf

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    I'm not a Keogh love-in type, but I recognise when a team member gives a valid contribution.

    Keogh set up 2 of the goals for our on field goal threat against Derby though, so he contributes equally as much as Iwelumo does for the team IMO.

    Its irrelevant who scores the goals just as long as the supply to the teams goal threats is there.

    Its not just about scoring goals anymore. Our squad are all capable of nicking a goal and Keogh is one of those who can make that situation available to happen. Just because he isn't a prolific striker, doesn't mean he isn't a goal threat.

    This article illustrates his input to the squad.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wolverhampton_wanderers/6969678.stm
     
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    I can't help but notice as well that it is the same posters that always seem to look at anything with a glass half empty (sometimes completely empty) perspective. These are the same people that said Ward didn't deserve to wear the shirt, was only good enough for League 2 Football and that Collins had no role in this side at all. It seems that they have been proved wrong...very wrong.

    I have found Keogh to be an immensely frustrating player to watch at times. Not because he's a bad player...but because he has so many good qualities, its disappointing to see him play below his potential. If Keogh puts in a great performance on Saturday I think it backs up this notion about him being a confidence player. He played well on Tuesday by all accounts and got a great reception from the crowd. If he comes in and plays a blinder tomorrow, I think it will on the back of this moral booster during the last game.

    Lets give the lad a chance to show us what made us excited about him when he first turned up at the club.
     
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    I am not a big fan of Keogh because I think he weakens our goal scoring potential. He is an intelligent player with some pace and does bring others into the game. He is the typical second striker more creator than goal scorer - which is fine up to a point.

    My issue with Keogh is not that he will never score 20 goals, its more to do with as second striker he will fail to take the limited chance others make for him.

    At 2-0 v Reading he was slipped in beautifully down the south Bank end and failed to score. Twice against Derby he only had the keeper to beat and missed both times.

    As second striker he will always be presented with fewer chances to score, and yes he will assist his goal getting partner, but he does not take his own chances when they come along.

    He is still very young and as he calms down and builds his strength over the next three or four years he may turn out to be an excellent player, right now he is not a good enough finisher and I prefer big Chris and I think Vokes is a better leader of the line.

    But he is part of the squad and his better movement may help unlock tight defences at difficult times. If we do get in the prem I would send him out on loan for a season.
     
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    I thought (and one other) that he would make a very good attacking mid-fielder and someone said he might be too light weight...let's get him in the gym working out with "Big George":)
     
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    Just a little niggle but can you not remember the "blow-up" season? That was just as exciting (although ultimately disappointing) as this one where we were also top of the League at times although admittedly not for as long.
     
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    If Iwelumo isn't 100% fully fit, I wouldn't risk him.

    Keogh gave a MOTM performance on the Tuesday - he didn't score, but to put in a performance like that when morons on this thread are slating him is very admirable. To say he doesn't pose a tenth of the threat Iwelumo does is a stupid comment to make as they are two completely different players who offer two different types of threat.

    Iwelumo wasn't prolific until he came here (the 19 goals he scored for Colchester, about 10 were penalties), players change.
     
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