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Afobe/Dicko

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by northnorfolkwolf, Jan 17, 2015.

  1. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Hopefully not going over old ground here but I think Afobe looked pretty good when he came on. I know we only saw him for about 20/25 minutes with ND but those of you with a better appreciation of tactics/formations than me, can we play the pair of them up front together? Imo we do need a greater threat up top and the thought of them on the pitch together with Sako and RVLP is mouth watering. Is it possible to play those 4 along with Edwards as he is undroppable at the moment? How could we line up?
     
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    Damn good problem to have. Up to KJ now.
     
  3. TheRetroChief

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    That top 4 is pretty juicy as you say. I've never been an Edwards fan until now. He's in his best from ever for Wolves and some of his runs have been great and in a rich vein of goal scoring to boot. However, with a centre two of Edwards and Mac, there is ZERO tackling ability or defensive cover whatsoever.
     
  4. Perton Wolf

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    Need to sign an enforcer/snotter to play in the middle If we wish to play 4-4-2 on a regular basis.
     
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    I'd hoped that could have been Saville. But alas, that doesn't look likely
     
  6. Perton Wolf

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    Indeed.
     
  7. TheRetroChief

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    Oh for an Alex Rae or Incey right now.
     
  8. Thought ND disappeared a bit after BA came on

    He had to run wide / deep more ... I think he prefers being the sole frintman
     
  9. Dan G WWFC

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    Price and McDonald are easily good enough to play in a 442, if the front 2 press enough and the wingers stay wide and the full backs give support to wingers, centre backs and Centre midfielders.

    Full back is the most underrated position on the pitch.
     
  10. Sorry, disagree. Not dynamic enough - both were too deep today
     
  11. Dan G WWFC

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    What's wrong with playing deep in the midfield? Especially when you don't try and press teams?

    If u was going to play with 2 upfront I'd want the midfielders to sit deep so we don't get exploited on the counter attack, unless the full backs move inside to cover the midfielders so they can push up.

    I want Atleast 4 players back when the is 2 upfront.
     
  12. JW

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    Stick to the winning formation!!!!! But they can play together when we need them to like yesterday!
     
  13. JW

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    You don't have enough men attacking the ball if you play 4 4 2 with two deep midfielders.

    It all becomes a bit huff and puff. You can't drop Edwards in the form he is in. Keep it the same until a bad run of results
     
  14. Tring Wolf

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    Thought Afobe looked a class above anyone else when he came on. His movement was so intelligent, he linked the play really well and had some great touches with both feet. Could tell he was a product of Arsenal and technically looked the best forward we have had since Fletcher.

    Based on what I saw, I think we have to find a way to accommodate him in the side. The question is who out of Sako, RVLP, Dicko and Edwards misses out.

    Nice problem to have.
     
  15. StefanWolves

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    352?

    Ikeme
    Iorfa Batth Stearman
    Price McDonald
    RVLP Edwards Sako
    Dicko Afobe
     
  16. Tring Wolf

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    Welcome back mate. Good to see you on here again.

    Think that could work, particularly against teams like Blackpool who just sit and park the bus. I just can't see us going with anything else but a back four in most games. If Golbourne and Sako had been available yesterday, I think we would have won comfortably.

    It was interesting that we played better when Afobe came on to play just behind Dicko and Edwards went to play on the left (where he was admittedly still quite narrow rather than playing on the wing).

    I still think there are games (and for 85 minutes, yesterday was one of them) where we would benefit from having a central midfielder or Number 10 who can dribble at defences at pace (in the mould of an Alex Pritchard). But Edwards is so effective at the moment that he simply has to play.
     
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    The other solution is of course 4-1-3-2 but you need that midfield "snotter" who can break up play, protect the back four and cover in the full backs when they push forward.
     
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    We don't need a snotter. Price is so intelligent in his positional play that he has snuffed out what the opposition are trying to do before it's happened. What you need with a 442 are full backs who can push up and have the ability to play higher up the pitch. Until golbourne gets fit, we will struggle to make a 442 effective.
     
  19. Space Wolf

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    Agree about the two deep players. Probably ok when you're away from home against a better team. At home against a poor Blackpool side, you should be forcing the issue.
     
  20. MattySadler

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    There is a reason very few teams play a traditional front two nowadays. Midfield dominance is far too important.
     
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    The key part of 3 5 2. Is to have wingers who track back. RVLP and sako are possibly the worst wingers to be used in this formation!!!
     
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    This is so true. Sometimes we struggle with 5 as a lot of teams use 5 now!
     
  23. StefanWolves

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    Nope not really. LvG plays Young & Valencia there and it's been working pretty well.
     
  24. SingYourHeartsOut

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    I agree with you and not Tring :confused:
     
  25. Edgmond Wolf

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    Welcome back Stefan
     
  26. Edgmond Wolf

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    Yep i too want a snotter
     
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    I don't know what's happened in the last two games where we've surrendered the left wing. You'd assume Dicko has been asked to play out there and he's just drifted in far too much but when you look at it it just seems to be that we've given it up and he hasn't been asked to play there.

    I wouldn't want us to go 442.

    I think when we've got our strongest XI available I'd go...

    Ikeme
    Iorfa-Batth-Stears-Golbourne
    KMac-Price
    Dicko-Edwards-Sako
    Afobe​

    With Dicko, Sako and Afobe just being allowed to interchange with each other. I think on the right with Iorfa as the fullback Dicko drifting in won't be too much of an issue.

    I know he's being playing well but if we could get someone who's capable outwide too in that '10' giving that front four complete flexibility would be a nightmare for defences at this level.

    At the moment though we're a bit stuck with the left side as we don't have a left back capable of being a real attacking threat (whilst Golbourne isn't fit) to make up for Dicko or Afobe playing there but drifting in and our available wingers are stronger on the right than the left. So for me it's got to be a case of Dicko or a Afobe until Sako or Golbourne are back.
     
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    4-3-3

    Sako, Dicko, Afobe up top

    Edwards as super sub or one of the midfield 3 if we are feeling really adventurous
     
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    If it we were to go 3/5 at the back I'd rather have Iorfa and Golbourne as the wide players, Hause in as the left side centre back and Sako given a free role in place of Edwards.
     
  30. northnorfolkwolf

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    Thanks for all those options lads - I'm now more confused than ever but as someone said 'a nice dilemma to have'!
    I notice Sunderland went 352 to fit Defoe up front with Fletcher. There do seem to be several permutations KJ could use but I suppose while we are winning he'll stick with the current team (ex SG for Hause) but I 'd love to see that front 3 of ND, Afobe and Sako - WOW!
     
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    I really dont get the talk of needing a 'snotter'. We had one, Karl Henry, and everyone hates him and maintains that he was terrible. I'd much rather stick to the 4-2-3-1, with Dicko and Afobe switching between the wing and up front. Could give defenders nightmares.
     
  32. Edgmond Wolf

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    I would have paid good money for a snotter to have done JOH yesterday :D
     
  33. Dan G WWFC

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    Price did it already ;)
     
  34. Edgmond Wolf

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    He did and I was proud of him but I mean a real nasty one....:D
     
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    How is having an Obi Mikkel in there doing nothing going to help us break teams down? I would love somebody Dembelle who is strong on the ball & can move with it.

    If Dicko plays like that again this won't be a problem as he'll be dropped, he was awful & Afobe actually looked like a proper centre forward.
     
  36. Wolf of Winslow

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    Dicko went quiet after Afobe came on because we didnt play 4-4-2 dicko went to replace henry and Afobe went up top . Then Doherty came on for Hause . Didn't change formation
     
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    I think Edwards went left, Afobe in the hole leaving Dicko up front to begin with, not sure how we ended up.
     
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    Remember Dicko has now played the best part of 250 mins in the past 6 days. Given his playing style he was probably ruined
     
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    We just abandoned the left wing, similar to what we did v Fulham.
     
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    I like the thought of 352 but it makes too many compromises with the midfielder we have got, and also we have a great back four. Better ATM the one of Dicko or Afobe start, give it their all for sixty mins and get replaced by as fresh man to cause mayhem?
     

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