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A very ordinary league

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Bill McCai, Jan 29, 2015.

  1. Bill McCai

    Bill McCai Just doesn't shut up

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    27 games in, 3 points off 6th, 7 of top. We've signed a Dicko - esque striker in Afobe who I am sure we all agree was needed. Should we be doing a bit more? There is nothing to fear in this division is there?

    What would be the rationale for 'leaving it' now? Next year we could have some team smashing 100 points a la Leicester last season leaving only two spots to go for ( and I am sure KJ would struggle to last until the end of next season should we be outside the play offs at this point in 2016 ).

    What are Morgan and Moxey thought processes? If it is dosh - we have to be in the PL.
     
  2. SouthwesternWolf

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    What amazes me is that we've dropped 23 points from games which were very winnable or that we were winning at some point.

    Look at Rotherham, Charlton (home and away), Blackpool, Wigan, Millwall, Brighton, Birmingham and Huddersfield. All of those games we *should* have won, and if we'd have managed to see them out or get a break we'd be laughing. In some respects it's not been a bad season, but it could have been so much better.

    Luckily though it still isn't too late.
     
  3. 1312

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    I'd chuck Reading into the mixer as well. Even if we had just got ten extra points from those games we would be flying.
     
  4. andyc225

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    Their rationale is that we're competitive enough with the players we have. With Sako back for the rest of the season, they believe we'll win the majority of our games and close the 7 point gap.
     
  5. JOSWolf

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    This is the frustrating part. Another couple of good signings and we would have a really good chance.
    Without them the squad is too weak and a couple of injuries and we are stuffed.
    Are they really that desperate for promotion?
    It doesn't seem like it to me.
     
  6. DasWolf

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    It's amazing to think of what could have been without that abysmal run, and by collecting points we 'should' have gotten (Millwall & Reading).

    We have no automatic right to win games, and the Championship is a crazy league, but we've dropped so many points against teams that our promotion rivals seem to have no trouble slaughtering.

    I would argue that we've been lucky to get all 3 points on quite a few occasions and that probably does balance out some of the ones we've dropped. Still hard not to think about what might have been though.
     
  7. Bill McCai

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    Since I've supported Wolves the majority of the time we have been play off contenders in this division, apart from a few seasons when we got it right or got it wrong. What strikes me is this league - or certainly a chance of getting out of it ( the right way ) is there for the taking. If we leave it a year there is no guarantee KJ will be so secure - and some other side does not decimate the division. With the money available in the PL - you would think this is the opportune time to take the initiative?

    I sometimes wonder if Steve and Jez have the nous to actually handle a top flight club. We can debate Edwards/Jacobs until the cows come home but at the end of the day we are talking about Dave Edwards and Michael Jacobs.
     
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  8. 1312

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    We should of been a lot more proactive in the Summer about getting our targets. We need more bodies in before the deadline, I dread to think what would happen if we got a few injuries and suspensions to players we can't really replace.
     
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    Yeah forgot about that. Disgraceful how we chucked that away (twice)
     
  10. MolineuxMixer

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    At times we look a very ordinary side
     
  11. arctic rime

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    At times we look quite good
     
  12. wolf of sedgley

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    No doubt that with a few quality additions to our squad in the right places we could well be looking at automatic promotion. I feel it is an opportunity missed.
     
  13. wolvesjoe

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    If it does turn out that Sako goes, and maybe one signing comes in, it would rate as a mediocre transfer window at best.

    As the OP states, given the very open nature of the league this year, without any outstanding side, and also given the huge extra resources relegated sides will have from next season, it should be time for a big push for promotion.

    Is Morgan putting down a marker here: balancing the books comes before ambitions for promotion.

    Because if that is the case, then expect the club's decline to be renewed fairly soon.
     
  14. Barnet Wolves

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    At the start of the season I would have viewed 3 points off the PO positions as a success
     
  15. HowfenWolf

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    I work with Blackburn, Blackpool, Bolton, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Leeds, & Huddersfield fans - apart from the Wigan fan, none of the other fans think Wolves are anything special.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree but the standard isn't as I expected, the opportunities we have had (last Saturday being a prime example) and not taken is not good enough.
     
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    And quite rightly so, we are an ok to decent team and will finish somewhere between 12th and 5th.
     
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    They're right! I don't think anyone on here thinks we're anything special which as the OP says, goes for the league as well. Such a shame, as so many have said that we didn't push the boat out in the summer and criminal now that with the pos in easy reach we're doing nothing again.
     
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    Fully agree mate.
     
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    For me the 3 relegated teams being so poor has meant the league is wide open. All 3 of them started the season with 2nd rate managers and haven't really improved after sacking the old one (that may be a bit harsh on Kit Symons)

    Thats why this year and getting the right players in is so important. I can't see Burnley, Hull, Leicester etc being so poor next when they come down. It's a major opportunity and one so far we haven't taken.
     
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    Well said Bill!
     
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    And rightly so and there's 7 teams listed above that appear to making up the numbers in this league too. Only Derby have really looked impressive against us.
     
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    and of the sides we've faced this season how many would you rate as a much better side?

    Derby, although we didn't stand a chance with Clarke in place of Dicko and I don't think they'd have looked half as good if we were able to apply some pressure to stop them playing out from the back.

    We've had a couple of heavy defeats but that was down to us being poor/lacking confidence as much as it was the opposition being good as seen by beating Brentford a few weeks later.
     
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    The league wont be so flat next season either.

    Say Burnley, Leicester and QPR come down, with Hull as
    another contender.

    Of them, only Burnley have a squad on a similar level to ours.

    The other three have significantly better squads and will have an
    extra 24m in the first parachute payment to utilise to keep their squads
    intact and/or change them about.

    While there is always a challenge for all relegated clubs, as we can see this year with Norwich, Cardiff and Fulham all struggling to make a big impact, it is unlikely to repeat itself.

    Again underlines that the current situation represents a significant moment for the club.
     
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    To be fair it seems that every season people say "it'll be much stronger next season" and it never really turns out to be the case.
     
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    If that is the way they are going about things then a very risky approach. It seems based on assumption.
     
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    This season seems fairly unique in the way there is no runaway side. Derby beat us convincingly, we beat Boro, they beat Derby who beat Ipswich and so forth.
     
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    And whilst only my view Bill I genuinely believe it wouldn't need a great deal to make an already fairly good side and make them very good looking at the general standard this season.
     
  29. reanswolf

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    Agree entirely Bill. Come on Wolves, where is the ambition?
     
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    That's the approach the powers that be took in the summer. We've added only one first team regular in Van La Parra. Saville hasn't worked out as the manager had hoped and Rowe is out (realistically) for the rest of the season. I'm afraid that anyone expecting wholesale changes to the squad, even if we do go up, will be sorely disappointed.
     
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    Put like that Andy may as well just accept life in the championship for as long as Morgan remains. That approach seems very poor, lacks planning or ambition and more geared to stagnation.
     
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    Essex Morgan didn't sign Saville or Rowe, KJ had £1m to spend on any midfielder, he chose Savile how is that Morgans fault. Or should he have spent £8m on Forshaw & Delort who have put Wigan in the relegation zone but at least it would have shown ambition.
     
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    I know and accept that MW but if KJ has limited funds and/or a very tight budget within which he is forced to work then his hands are partly tied before he even starts looking. Will we ever know if KJ really wanted Rowe or Saville or was it a case of the best he could get within the constraints he works?

    Have often heard it said funds are there and Morgan hasn't turned KJ away but they are just words and sadly most that get spouted by those at Molineux, for me at least, are hollow and meaningless. Action not words are needed.
     
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    Then we go back to this, how much were Brentford, Derby's, Bournemouths, Watfords, Ipswich's squads put together for?

    Then we have Fulham, Blackburn, Forest, Wigan who have over the top massive signings & where are they?
     
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    I see where you are coming from Mr Wolf. We still need to get players in though whether they are 100k and good value or £1 million!
    We have had plenty of time to identify targets as our rivals have. Lets see some action!
     
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    Exactly throwing millions isn't the answer look at Ipswich they have spent virtually nothing with Fulham & Wigan spending over £10M each. It's about identifying the right players at the right price not throwing millions down the toilet.

    To me spending millions isn't showing always about showing ambition It can also stink of desperation.
     
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    Exactly, I'm sick of this Morgan & Moxey rubbish because we haven't blown £3m on someone. Players are out there for next to nothing & probably easier to sign & deal with.

    A player who costs 250k could improve us just as much as one who costs £2.5m but we don't seem to be finding anyone. I fail to see how that is Morgans fault.

    Agree BC
     
  38. JOSWolf

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    Thelwell's job to find player and his scouting team.
     
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    Once we accept Morgan's risk averse nature, we can try to plan our attack. What we should be doing is taking Brentford's approach to things - to paraphrase Mark Warburton, by being competitive through being smarter than the competition rather than simply being stronger. This is the only way we're going to make any impact upstairs because we simply don't have the finances to compete.
     

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