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4-5-1

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  1. Stafford

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    This maybe a tad premature...but this is a football forum.

    Is there a possibility that the players we now pocess and with the level we now play at, that we maybe suited to a 451.

    Not sure our wing backs are going to have the same level of threat as at championship level, and feel an extra player say Dendoncker in the middle would really suit Neves and moutinho, also add to this how much being a winger suits adama and Costa, less so Jota.

    Just to clarify, my tactical nous isn't quite as strongs as Nuno's..
     
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  4. Darvo

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    I'd be pretty surprised if Nuno changes course. He's got a plan and I think he will stick with it … quite right too.
     
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    Not sure how much the numbers matter. Sometimes the wingbacks are but the back line, sometimes in the midfield. Sometimes two of the forward three drop back.

    We can be 3 4 3
    363
    452
    541

    Whatever really....
     
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    Not for me, it’s a marathon not a sprint, keep what we’ve been doing for the last 12 months.

    January will soon be upon us for any wing back additions ;)
     
  8. Lycan

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    We're good but we're not 3-6-3 good...
     
  9. SingYourHeartsOut

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    I'm not sure we'd be able to play 452 as we'd be exposed in goal and 363 is definitely out.
     
  10. Skrilla

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    Definitely not 4-5-1, but possibly a variation on the current formation that allows us to overload the midfield against the top six. Something like:

    Patricio
    Dendoncker Coady Boly
    Doherty Neves Saiss Jonny
    Moutinho
    Jimenez Jota
    Which would be more like a 5-3-2 out of possession, and a 3-4-1-2 in possession.
     
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    I like the sound of this 3-6-3
     
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    Indeed....361 then!!!!
     
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    I'm having a mare here!! Can't even add up to 10......:(
     
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    Shush let's hope the ref or opposition don't notice
     
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    So the manager is interviewed and says we select players to buy to suit our system and after one game we should change it, really?!!:confused::confused:
     
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    We drew our first match against a top half team, and we need to change the formation!? Nah.
     
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    All we need to do for me is to get Vinagre playing LWB, the reason it didn't look quite right yesterday was that the out ball was always Doc as Jonny doesn't want to hug the left touch line.
     
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    3-5-2 might come in useful

    neves - MGW - mountinho might help if we're constantly getting over run in the middle
     
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    I think it was Coady who basically said we won't be changing the way we play as Nuno believes in it.

    Going to 4-5-1 would mean Coady out the team and us much weaker at the back. Would mean the full backs couldn't push forward as much and it would have to be a defensive 4-5-1 as we have 4 wingers really and Neves, Moutiniho and Dendoncker arnt attacking Mids meaning only mgw to play there?
     
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    No, we'll never win enough games with that formation
     
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    The formation is fine, just needs the right faces to fit it. A player with a left foot on the left would help as both Boly and Jonny cut inside onto their right foot. With Saiss on the sidelines, Vinagre needs to be introduced to give some balance to the team.
     
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    I think that Vinagre might play a good few games this year. Would like me to see Otto on the right to see if he looks more comfortable on his correct footed side. I hope I’m wrong, but Matt might struggle a bit more this year at RWB.
     
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    Nuno and his coaching team will definitely stick to their guns and rightly so I think (99 reasons from last year and all that!). If we do need to adapt in due course, I'd trust them to change things around as and when needed.

    That said, it's definitely an interesting question. It's going to be harder to play 3-4-3 in the Prem given the quality we'll be up against. Teams will generally either try and snuff out our wing backs and/or overload us in central midfield. Last year, most teams struggled containing Doc and Douglas while Neves+1 regularly held their own against 3 in the centre but it's going to be trickier to impose our will in the same way against the better sides in the Prem.

    My guess is we'll see 3-4-3 morph into 5-2-3 against the stronger teams with Wolves playing on the counter and Jonmy being more of a defensive wing back. The signing of Traore could really help give us an outlet and bridge the gap between midfield and attack. I reckon we cld also be better away from home but hey what do I know. Time will tell and let's all enjoy the ride!
     
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    Memories of singing 442 at Mick when at Hull Away :)
    He had the last laugh.
     
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    Given Nuno put Vinagre on at 76 minutes even shows that he has great confidence in him. I think slowly he will grow into the first team. Possibly with Jonny moving over to the other side. A little harsh on Doc after everything last season, but I think Vinagre and Jonny will be better options going forward! Why would Nuno take Jonny off for Vinagre otherwise??
     
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    I see that formation as far more gung-ho than 3-4-3, when our inside forwards drop in we effectively have 4 in midfield and in defence they shift wide to make a 5-4-1. With 3 centre mids the forwards stay up top and there are less covering out wide/centrally.

    Nuno only ever makes that change if we're chasing a game.
     
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    We play 3 formations...we default to 3-4-3, but depending on the match situ, like yesterday, at times we were 5-4-1 when defending, and 3-2-5 when Doc and Vinagre were pushing on chasing a goal.

    As was said when Laurie & Jeff met with Mol Mixers, Nuno plays '"chess football" ...we also play with shape, and the players know what shape to play, when...including our back 3 not getting drawn out of position.

    On BT Sport, McMannaman was banging on about how we had 5 across the back when defending our box...only had to look further upfield, to then see 4 across the middle and one up front...but then on the attack 3-4-3, and when into final third and needing a goal, 3-2-5. Same every game we played last season, as I watched from halfway line view on Wolves TV.

    We do constantly vary formations during every game.
     
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    Overthinking the problem here. Jonny is not used to lwb and also not used to playing with neves. Last season neves & Douglas had understanding where the ball was going to be played and when. Jonny hasn’t had the time to build this understanding. Those above are right, by Utd away Jonny will be rwb and vinagre left.
     
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    Genius!

    If the ref doesn't notice, we could be onto something there!
     
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    343 it will remain but Yes Vinagre has to break through and Castro has to change sides for Nuno to make it work. Although not convincefd Castro has the attacking potential needed. Alternatively Doherty has to rise to the Premier league challenge.

    It is still a mystery why another WB signing was not prioritised after Douglas was let go of and Zinchenko made it clear he was not inteterested.

    But Buur no way ready and Giles needs time although we have great hopes of him. Iorfa sadly a busted flush along with Ofosu-Ayeh.
    In January our first signing needs to be a WB
     
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    Me personally, I prefer a 433. But our 343 is the same formation going forward but different defensively.

    Look at Liverpool and Man City 433, when they go forward a Midfilder joins the CBs wing backs go forward wingers come into the half space. Becomes a 343.

    Difference is Coady is more likely to drop deeper then push forward when defending. Making it harder for the midfielders but easier for the centre backs.

    Most likely change is Coady may push into the midfield if the is enough cover on, just to help with a high up press.

    We looked unable to press the ball after it got past our first line
     
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    Mick did the same thing, stranglng the swashbuckling team that romped the Championship with a 4-5-1 lump it up to Doyler tactic, who could hold the ball up but couldn't hit a barn door.

    I fear that is why we kept Bonatini. If that's the case then we might as well be West Brom or bloody Burnley.
     
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    Then why not take off Doc and put Jonny on the right for the last 15 minutes?
     
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    Jonny is on loan, with no option to buy, which is not what we usually do, so why?

    Thus, I see him for this season only "filler", until he goes back to Atl. Madrid, and as good value cover until Vinagre makes the LWB his own, which he showed glimpses of, in his cameo on Saturday, hence why Barry went for 3m...Vinagre is going to be good enough, but how soon?
     
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    I think it's time we tried a 2-2-2-2-2

    No one else has. They won't know what hit them.
    The danger is only once they stop laughing.
     
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    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes NO.!!! Sorry been watching box set of vicar of dibley.!! Stay as we are for me.!!
     
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    Without free kicks, part of me is concerned whether we'll create enough chances. This is the system which helped Chelsea storm the prem but the end of that season everyone had worked out how to play against it.

    Like others say, I really don't know how Johnny Castro has become a LWB for so long.
     
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