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Stadium redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by SanFranWolf, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. SanFranWolf

    SanFranWolf Transfer summary thread supremo

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    It seems to have gone a little bit quiet on the stadium redevelopment front...

    I was wondering if anyone has heard any news from the club?

    Is the subject on the agenda for the next fans parliament?

    Stadium redevelopment
     
  2. Nothing is going to happen until we get promotion is what i've heard.

    What i'd like to know is do they think building on the existing site is viable?

    Waterloo road is dangerous as it is on a match day. Imagine twice as many people?

    I think 40,000 people descending on Molineux would cause chaos in terms of Wolverhamptons transport links.

    Have they considered the stress it will put on car parking,buses and trains?
     
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  3. The place was viable 50 years ago when it held far more than now. It doesn't matter where a stadium is, a large crowd will jam up the roads for a while. Upping sticks to somewhere else won't solve that problem.
     

  4. I don't know about you but things have changed over 50 years.

    People don't get the tram up town anymore.
     
  5. John

    John Guest

    Falling attendances all around football. I hope everything is postponed for at least 5 years, irrespective of which league we play in.
     
  6. Quite so. You can use their replacements, they're called the bus. I can get on one and it stops outside the Clarendon. Brilliant!
     
  7. Ulver

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    Won't the focus be more on modernisation and improving the space and facilities both for matchday attendance and alternative revenue streams.

    30-35000, fans close to the pitch but with the ability to expand stands in a cost effective way factored into the original design.
     
  8. Not everyone who supports Wolves lives in Wolverhampton. I don't.

    I sit in traffic for 30-40 mins every match.
     
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  9. As for the stadium.

    I'm pretty sure the Steve Bull will be the first port of call.

    Steve Morgan has highlighted the corporate facilities in this stand are poor.

    There's talk of a night club etc in the new stand too.
     
  10. Oldgoldwulf

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    Oh that's nice... somewhere for Mark Davies to hang out on the night before a game :p (ducks for cover)...
     
  11. Ulver

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    I was going to say.... at least they can keep an eye on him..
     
  12. And this stops you from using a park & ride, or parking a bit further away like a lot of people and walking to the ground? You could have a stadium with a 10-lane dual carriageway running round it, you'll still get traffic congestion.

    No-one's forcing you to drive to the gates, there's plenty of options for you to get there.
     
  13. The only reason Waterloo Road is a problem, is that the WM police ( spit )and W-ton Council ( spit ) don't shut the road before and after games......as other forces do. Even in London they shut roads around football grounds ie. Chelski.

    Waterloo Road, past the Mol, could be shut and traffic diverted on a temporary basis.
    There are other routes out of town..........and don't get me started on the parking restrictions, there's nobody living in Whitemore Reans who was living there before the Wolves moved to Molineux! So why are they surprised that football fans turn up once a fortnight for a few hours?
     
  14. BlahBlah

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    I was wondering about this given Moxey's current attempt to stir up action against the parking ban....after not saying very much when it was imposed a few years ago.
    Maybe he's had words of encouragement from the new Council leadership, and maybe we're preparing to expand on the current site and want the public highway made public again.
     
  15. I park in bloody Tettenhall as it is.

    Have you not seen the Stafford Road, Newhampton Road and Tettenhall Road after a game??
     
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  16. glasgowwolf

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    THey really should make Waterloo road a paved area from the Goal Poast to the Lights, for the turn to East Park.
    If anyone wants to get past, they can use the ring road...

    Allow Residents free parkin (non match day) on the North Bank, or old players car park.

    Or Wolves should buy the properties there, and we could build a biiger main stand
     
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  17. I'm sure Waterloo Road has been shut in the past?
     
  18. As I live in Tettenhall yes I do. Why should the club relocate just to make your journey home shorter and therefore someone else's longer?

    It doesn't matter where the club is located someone will have more problems getting to and from the place than others.
     
  19. I'm not bleating about this just saying things at the moment are not ideal.

    Believe it or not some people in Wolverhampton don't support Wolves and 3pm on a Saturday afternoon go to see relatives or shopping.

    20,000 extra people going to the games would cause problems for other people going about their everyday lives.

    They'd have to massively improve public transport and how long would it be until parking restrictions are enforced around West Park.

    Wolves need to prove to the council the city can deal with 40,000 attending fixtures.

    If the Steve Bull was flattened and a 3 tiered 15,000 seater stand built what implications would this have on Stafford Street?

    The closure of Waterloo Road would be a must. But....it would put strain on the likes of Stafford Street which the Police use to take away supporters from the coach park and train stations.

    It's ok saying they did it 50 years ago, in this day and age you have to prove it would be sustainable and at the moment IMO it isn't.

    It will take years of planning and communication with the council to get the Molineux's capacity raised to 40,000.
     
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  20. Chiswick_Wolf

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    VooG. I can understand the points you're making but I don't think they're much of a problem. There is plenty of space to park around Wolverhampton. It might be further away from the ground for the last few thousand, but that's the same implications that any similar sized club would have. I actually think that the stadium and surrounding areas empty pretty quickly on match days as it is anyway. Also we are very lucky that we have fans coming from all sides of the ground and there is a tram and National Rail link very close by. I can't think of many sides with better to be honest. Go to the Emirates and you will see that the underground stations have had no changes made to them since the capacity increased, people just get used to the change. It might mean hanging around for a drink afterwards or walking slightly further away from the ground before getting on the transport.
     
  21. I think Waterloo Road will still be an area to address. Did a fan not get run down and die a few years back?

    I'd have thought that would have led to the road closing.
     
  22. PeteWolf

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    Molineux currently sits at the centre of a city wide road network, a 10 minute walk from the main bus station with routes to and from all parts of Wolverhampton and surrounding areas, a 10 minute walk to a mainline railway station and a 15 minute walk to the metro terminus, not to mention having 5445 purpose built parking spaces all within 10-15 minutes walk around the city centre.

    Given that there is nowhere in the entire city that can offer a location to encourage use of public transport to the extent that Molineux can, why exactly would a field in the middle of nowhere with none of the above be a better move?
     
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    Most of the 50,000 from 50 years ago would walk home. The Elephant & Castle Pub on the corner of Stafford, Cannock Road would have 10,000 fans walk by. People would walk home to Bushbury, Ashmore Park, Wednesfield. Others to Bilston and even Penn Fields. Only the Tettenhall elite could afford to clog the streets with motorised conveyances.
     
  24. I'm not saying it would.

    I'm saying the frequency of buses,trains and trams would have to increase. I also feel the closure of Waterloo Road would put added stress on the road network.

    The Stafford Road is a major route into the city. Forcing drivers up Stafford Street would cause chaos when the police escort walking the away fans blocks the road up.
     
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    I'm certain that an American store (ASDA) based on the Waterloo Road would have a very valid arguement against that with Saturday trading.
     
  26. PeteWolf

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    Increase them then, it's not difficult.

    Waterloo Road wouldn't need to be closed for any more than 20 minutes after the match at the most, and an hour before. It wouldn't really put serious stress on the roads as that section can be easily bypassed with diversions to Five Ways island. If most of the extra capacity is being built on the opposite side of the ground then that too wouldn't be as much an issue as you're making out it would be. I can't see Stafford Street needing closing.
     
  27. As the guy above said......ASDA will kick up a fuss.
     
  28. PeteWolf

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    No they wouldn't. Access would still be possible from Five Ways island to the junction with SJH Way and it would be for no longer than 2-3pm and 20 minutes after the final whistle.
     
  29. Dr Wolfenstein

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    A successful football club should impact on the surrounding area. A Wolves match should bring the city to a standstill. I love walking back from the ground to the town centre or railway station & have complete strangers ask me how they got on. Dump the club & the ground out on a motorway junction somewhere on the outskirts & it will be totally removed from its grass-roots heart & soul.
     
  30. PeteWolf

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    One point no one has mentioned is that Molineux has hosted an event in recent years that had an attendance of 34,000 when Bon Jovi played here. The council allowed that without any qualms about the increased crowd. Given that that is the likely capacity we'd raise to in the first instance, then there's evidence to support that it shouldn't be a problem.
     
  31. Ogerp

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    I am certain that they would, access from the north would surely be curtailed and hours of closure cut no ice with objections to the highway authority.

    Even though I know the original planning agreement to build a Superstore out side of the ring road boundary was subject to the Asda car park being made available to match day parking ( Pre SJH days). Those planning regulations appear to have been long forgotten and/or overuled.
     
  32. PeteWolf

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    ASDA know that shoppers who drive avoid going there when there's a match on. Having a potential 16,000 extra customers coming to the area is something I thnik they'd be unlikely to turn down, especially when the closure times would be relatively minimal.
     
  33. John

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    Waste of money extending the ground now. People are slipping away from football. Wait to see if crowds will reguarly return rather than playing in a 60% full stadium every week.
     
  34. markb

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    Point taken, John - many people find regular attendance too expensive. A possible compromise would be to turn the south bank into a standing terrace and charge a lower ticket price - increased attendance for little cost.
     
  35. Mr Zuki

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    I think a little matter of the law prohibiting standing terraces may get in the way of this?
     
  36. John

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    10 years ago it would be unthinkable for Wolves to be top of the league without sellouts every home game. Times have changed for all football teams and it maybe that 28000 is all we would get as an established premiership side. Albion have a far greater recent pedigree, but are not getting great attendances. I think it would be a little daft to give us a 35000 capacity ground we might never fill.
     
  37. Visage Wolf

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    Im with the weekend warrior on this. Expansion at the moment would be insane.
     
  38. greco wolf

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    Agree, but we could make a new Steve Bull stand, and bring pitch closer somehow to all stands (maybe build new Steve Bull nearerer ) and fill in corners, to make around 32,000 with expansion plans

    Thay way, stands are more modern, better atmosphere and closer to pitch, without having great big empty stands.
     
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    thats because they dont have the fan base we have and never will crowds will rise post january mark my words if we stay where we are we will start to sell out games.
     
  40. Jonzy54

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    What would make sense would be to approach Asda about re-locating to a brown field site,which would enable the club to expand the current club site for re-development and to provide additional parking which is now limited in Whitmore Reans. As people have suggested the club were here before any of the current residents and equally the club was here well before Asda which adds considerably to the congestion on match/non match days. Coming out last night a massive Asda lorry was trying to exit at the same time ,as were many shoppers.
     

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