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Taff Evans

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by arthur williams, Dec 8, 2008.

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  1. Spotted in the crowd at Palarse tonight.

    Bit of a shop window for the Saints kids, must say there are quite a few of them with really good ability but the right back James stands out to me, much in the Foley mould. Must admit we dont have as many dedicated right backs as we do on the other side and/or centre backs who "also" play full back
     
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    Paul Ifill on the wing for Palarse? Hasn't he had a couple of fall outs with Warnock.
     
  3. and hes just forced James into an error and scored
     
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    Strange that I normally put the curse on players/teams.

    Seem to remember saying thank you and goodnight Turkey when they were 2.0 down to Czech Republic in the Summer. :eek:

    Only just over 13,000 at the game too.
     
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    Very very impressed with Saints.

    Everyone of the younger players has a superb first touch.
    Excellent movement and passing ability.

    Just lacking that maturity and experience.

    One of the best footballing sides I have seen at this level.

    I would say the best footballing team in this division.

    Pick of the bunch

    Surman, and the right back mentioned above, though I actually prefer Palarses right back.

    It has too be Surman, excellent midfielder, 1st time I have seen him.

    Brilliant first touch, makes his second so much easier.
    Good pasing but keeps it very very simple. never gives the ball away.
    Makes runs from midfield in behind.
    Has good energy.
    A real box to box midfielder.
    What really makes him stand out is his decision making, it's good....

    Only negative is his pace not the quickest, however central midfielders don't need great pace.

    Definately worth a punt.
     
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    Unfortunately glasgow I believe there's an incredibly long list of Managers who agree with you re Surman.
     
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    Ooooozes quality
     
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    And quality will always be feted.
     
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    Was this a serious suggestion?!
     
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    They look like powderpuff crap with a swingdoor defence to me.
     
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    Very powderpuff. Get into them and you will win easily. Stand off them and they can play.
     
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    They play football as it should be played, great technique, excellent passing, superb movement.

    They are not strong, can't defend corners or indeed the hoof.

    I love watching players who have sublime first touch, will play the floor on the floor, and not in the air.

    Thats why we have grass, to play football

    Not one of the players hoofed it, only once did a player mis control it, (that was for the goal) and he tried to take it down over his shoulder.

    Best footballing side by a long way

    All the kids teams I coached, spent ages in training learning control, passing and movement.

    They never played a proper game, I stopped the game regulary and went over areas to move into, where to pass, how to open the pitch up with one touch.

    Playing one or 2 touch, kids hate, but the soon become technically very very good. (Balls over 10 yards resulted in a free pass to the opposition.

    Too many coaches lower down the the system, just hoof it with no thought for tecnique, Size is still too important in English football.
     
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    I assume GlasgowWolf has seen every side in this league play to reach that conclusion then.
     
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    Every televised game, plus the Wolves games I have been to
     
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    In which case, I would argue Swansea are a far better footballing side than Southampton. As well as ourselves when we're really in full flow as we were earlier in the season.
     
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    Defending is part of football. Even Spain have Carlos Puyol and Marcos Senna as spoilers in defence and midfield.

    This is one of the (many) reasons why West Brom are struggling, Mowbray doesn't appreciate that you can't play the way he wants every single week, and you can't survive with a midfield entirely consisting of technically good, but slow and generally weak players in midfield.
     
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    I would agree, defending is as important, an area of football as anything else.

    Two inexperienced centre halfs causes all sorts of problems, They were out muscled by Palace, even though the first one was a foul.

    If they improve there defending of set pieces, they will do very very well.

    The ability to defend corners and free kcks is a huge area.
    I could not tell if they were man marking of zonal marking Which is probably the the issue. As they are constantly under ppressure, he may be better going Zonal, and drumming a specific task/area into his players.

    Man Marking they are severely lacking
     
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    Back up winger in case of injuries perhaps?
     
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    We are no where near them for football.
    We play too many long balls.

    Swansea are the closest to them, the difference for me, is Swansea have 2 British style centre halfs where Saints have 2 footballing centre halfs, as seen by Palaces third goal
     
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    The best teams mix styles within games and to counteract their opponents. The ability to play just one way, be it beautiful tippy-tap one touch passing or hoofball is not to be especially admired given its predictability, which is ultimately what makes for dull - and often ineffective - football
     
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    Form should follow function. Anything else is wasted energy.
     
  22. Powelly

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    Southampton are always going to be a passing side when they a have a dutch "coach"..

    out of their current crop and of what i've seen of them this season only Surman is of real quality at this time IMO..

    Having said that Southampton probably find themselves in a good position to have their "coach" at this time while they have severe financial difficulties ( again) and will have to follow the route of bringing the youth team through the system... will be interesting to see how their youngsters develop in the next 18 months or so if they are given the opportunity to do so.

    They should have enough quality to stay in the division IMO..

    As for Taff Evans being at the game, lets hope he was doing a scouting mission on Ben Watson( although i believe he went off with an injury?)..
     
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    Chris Perry? :confused:
     
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    In Brazil they play on the beaches and on the street - concrete and sand, obviously better than grass to play football on?
     
  25. mr_j_007

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    i agree with glasgow to alot of what he is saying. infact im about to start coaching myself for under 10's and 12's and im wondering what there ability will be like and what they are used to recieving coaching wise as mainly im interested in coaching technique as if any of them have talent its what needs to be drumed into them from this age and earlier.

    though coaching youth is different to management and a manager should be able to forsake some beautie and asthetics for wins, where youth football is about teaching good habbits, and most all of making it fun, so keeping little bits of competition in it for the kids.

    one thing i would pick up on though glasgow, is 10 yard pass you need a player to be able to pass more then 10 yards. if your talking 5 a side maybe i understand but on a full scale pitch someone who can switch play is good, you have to let them get an eye for when to do it this and to build up technique. though admitedly it will come later in youth stages, as hopefully you would be building on the technique they already have.
     
  26. Axle

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    Could it be that Evans was there to watch Kuqi? Allegedly Palace say they cannot afford his wages and he's going in January.

    He reminds me of Iwelumo, but I'm sure there are those on here who know him better than me - terrific finish last night too.
     
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    I think Evans was there because that's what he is employed to do - watch football matches. He will probably be somewhere tonight (not Molineux), somewhere else on Saturday etc, etc. The fact that our chief talent spotter is seen at a football game just tells us he's doing his job, it doesn't mean he was looking at anyone in particular.
     
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    We were linked with Kuqi a year or so ago. As well as having him on trial and all set to sign back in the Colin Lee days, but then it fell through at the last minute and he ended up at Stockport.

    He's ok at this level, but I'd rather give Vokes a run if need be, plus Kuqi is on massive money.
     
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    I think we only need a winger and a centre midfielder so if we were looking at anything else I'd be very suprised.

    The last 2 matches we have had no control of the game at all. (maybe the last 15 against blues)
     
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    Kuqi, no thanks, and his 'sublime' finish was a shin roller anyway, although it did look like a cracking finish at a glance. A goal is a goal though.

    Surman I would take. But it was Watson I personally wanted to see and hope we were looking at, although unfortunately he did go off injured.

    As for Saints passing play, nice to watch, completely ineffective though, and well marshalled and controlled by Palace. Palace allowed them to pay, they were 2-0 up early on and could comfortably watch Saints play around in front of them knowing they would never really stretch them, yet were also able to hit them on the break. A left footed Kuqi would have seen it 5-0.

    If that is the best passing team in the division, firstly, they can keep it, they would get gunned down to howls of 'shoooooooooot' at Molineux, and then probably booed off. Secondly, they will struggle to get anywhere without a bit more steel, or indeed, a better way of prizing opposition defences apart. It was all too easy for Palace.
     
  31. Mr Zuki

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    and the last 30 against QPR?
     
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    Dress it up any way you like Mr Zuki but the QPR performance was a shocker. We looked an inexperienced team of hoofers who had been found out and could not adapt our game until Jarvis came on and the other team tired. It was predictable, leaden and miles away from top of the table side. The same could be said for the first half against Birmingham.

    We may have accumulated a lot of points but we've faded very badly in form terms since the early part of the season. We look nothing like the team that ripped Forest and Preston apart.
     
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    Have to agree with you JR. It was a shocker and there are worrying signs that the team may falter without the injection of two or three quality players in January. We got the points ok in November but the performances have hardly been massively convincing. Losing Carlos Edwards just when he was beginning to find his feet particularly imbalanced the team. If Jarvis can stay fit with Kightly that should, in theory, help significantly however over the next vital month. But we must bring in another winger and a CM at the very least in early Jan.
     
  34. NathanP100

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    Saw palace play cardiff a few weeks back and jones is better than watson
     
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    I hope Mick is throwing up a smokescreen when he says he's happy with the squad and is looking to add any players. January is crucial in terms of team building as the pressure is beginning to tell and we need real leadership and quality to bolster the team. Like you another winger and CM is essential. Without Jarvis and or Kightly we misfire badly and as we've seen so far the Jones/Henry partnership are ok against the bulk of championship midfields but come totally unstuck against the better ones. As for Dave Edwards, he's an odd player; comes off the bench and adds energy to the team but wide left or right is a total nonentity, drifts in field and we look awful.
     

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