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Central Midfielders mature late

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Pengwern, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. Pengwern

    Pengwern Just doesn't shut up

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    I first heard this theory when Norman Vaughan started to play really well for us in the late 80s and it has made sense to me ever since.

    We've brought quite a few through our youth team who showed promise before the club decided they were not currently offering a better option than the ones in the first team, That has seen us lose Andrews, Melligan and Clingan over recent years. We know that ANdrews has now started to fulfil his potential. Melligan scored ysterday.CLingan has played out of his skin for Norwich in the first half of their derby on TV.

    I just hope the club has spotted this flaw in our approach to transferring young players and that this is why Gleeson has been on loan for virtually 2 years. Edwards and Jones will both get better - we can all see it in the way they play.
     
  2. SaleWolf

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    None of Andrews, Clingan or Melligan would get into our current side.

    We were right to ship them out because they are not good enough and never will be. Just because Paul Ince signed Andrews and plays him for Blackburn in the Premier League does not mean he is good enough to be there.

    I doubt he will get into the side when Ince is sacked
     
  3. goldfish

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    I'd take Andrews- at least to provide competition for Jones.

    It all depends on the type of central midfielder., to be honest I'd bet my bottom dollar that Steven Gerrard will get worse and worse as his legs go. He's got a miniscule footballing brain but runs and runs and runs. Contrast that with someone like Lee Carsley who's never the greatest on the ball, hasn't the greatest pace but knows the game inside out: the more he plays the more tactical knowledge he stores away, the more he knows exactly how to be an effective midfielder.
     
  4. Pengwern

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    If you watched Clingan today you'd realise he does everything which Henry does at DM plus plays long accurate passes around and gets forward and has a better shot. He won the MOTM award on Sky.
     
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    Especially after he changed his name to Nigel.. ;)
     
  6. northnorfolkwolf

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    Wasn't Norman Vaughan a 60s entertainer???!!!!!!!
     
  7. Dr Wolfenstein

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    Not that entertaining, probably fell foul of the Trade Descriptions Act.
    Swinging...dodgy.
     
  8. goldfish

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    If you watched Clingan regularly- like my friends who support Forest and Norwich- you'd say that he's pretty average. Well, you would if you were them anyway.
     
  9. Pengwern

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    Sorry, Nigel and the same to every other Nigel.
     
  10. Adrian_Monk

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    Whether players usually improve as they age often depends on the coach. Pirlo was half the player he is now when he was at inter, then carlo ancelotti worked out that playing him further back gave him more time and space to pick out killer passes and make use of his excellent distribution range. A world class coach will guide their players into these modifications. In some instances the players will work it out themselves and play to their limitations, adapting their game based on their strengths. Nigel vaughan was none of these. He was simply gash.
     
  11. glasgowwolf

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    Talking $$$$e.....
    Melligan I would agree, not good enough plus a bit of a $$$$ head
    Andrews, has looked good in the Premiership, which is more than Jones did for Derby. Saying that, He would be competing with Jones for a spot. Jones has him on pace, however Andrews has more strength, and can dominate a game, he can do both attacking and defensive midfield.
    Clingan looks better each time I see him play. He was superb against us, was excellent yesterday.

    Clingan and Andrews would be in the squad, with 1 possbly in the team.

    However we let them go/they chose to go, so we need to move on.

    It is not the fact that players mature later, it's the fact that our fans will not let players develop.

    IMHO we will lose some of this current team, who wioll go on and play at a higher level, because people like you spend ages complaining /booing them.
     
  12. PabloWolfo

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    Garbage (just the highlighted bit).

    Who in our current team do you think will go and play at a higher level because they're complained about / booed? Anyone in our team that has the ability to play in the Prem seems to be highly thought of, unless I'm buying the wrong newspapers, reading the wrong websites and miss the negative crowd reaction at the matches.
     
  13. UEAwolf

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    By that score, Collins will play in the champions league!
     
  14. Uncle Festa

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    None of them should get near our first team, although if Edwards can make a claim there is hope for any one.
     
  15. SaleWolf

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    As usual, your talking total $$$$$$$$.

    I cannot believe anyone on this board takes you seriously.

    All you have basically said is that possibly 1 of them would make the side. In what way am i talking $$$$$$$$ when i say none of them are good enough, all you have gone on to say is that with a push, one of them will make the side.

    Big difference. Melligan has never played above League One, Clingan has played for a League One side and a mediocre, relegation threatened Championship side and Andrews would have never got a move to the Prem without Ince being manager.
     
  16. Pengwern

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    Sale, did you watch the game on Sunday or not, because Clingan was absolutely everything we need alongside someone like Davies. One-liners just saying 'No' are not argument, just a position. Let's have the argument minus the rhetoric.
     
  17. Dewsburywolf

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    A bit like Lee Naylor then. :)
     
  18. Wolv3nsam

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    Probably because he hardly ever played.

    If you'd take Andrews back you're off your rocker - he's one of the worst midfielders in the Premier League, the only reason he isn't THE worst is because Olofinjana is playing there. If Ince wasn't a Premier League manager would he be playing there? No. Even the Blackburn fans think he's $$$$ and they see him week in week out.

    Clingan hasn't impressed me bar yesterday - just like Olofinjana only impressed me in a handful of games. If you think Sammy Clingan is what we need after only watching him in ONE match then you're stupid - watch him on a regular basis and then come to an educated decision rather than crowning him the missing piece of the jigsaw after seeing him for one full 90 minutes or against a Wolves side horribly off the boil. I can guarantee you he doesn't play like that every week otherwise he would be playing for a better club than Norwich.

    Melligan isn't even worth going into as I don't think he's played higher than League One, as Sale said.
     
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    Where is JJ these days? Still playing League football or drifted away into Non League like his mate Cornes? (although hopefully not for the same reason)
     
  20. Wolv3nsam

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    Last time I checked Norwich City and Leyton Orient weren't a higher level than Wolverhampton Wanderers. Keith Andrews is only in the Premier League because Paul Ince is there - he wouldn't have been picked up otherwise. These players left the club because they were $$$$ and not good enough - Andrews and/or Clingan being in our line-up? Maybe if we were happy with achieving mid-table. They're not good enough for a side chasing an automatic spot.

    Leyton Orient mate.
     
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  21. PabloWolfo

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    glasgowwolf pontificating self important, self obsessed, bland bull$$$$? I won't hear of such a thing!

    He's got FA badges don't you know (that's either a lie, or they're qualifications picked up online, but we can't prove it), so you respect all the cack he spouts as if it were gospel, you hear me?!?!?!
     
  22. Wolv3nsam

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    I think he should re-take his FA coaching badges if he thinks Sammy Clingan and/or Keith Andrews would dislodge any of our current midfielders.
     
  23. Pengwern

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    As I said on another thread, let's watch Clingan for the rest of the season. I don't see players once & then say buy them immediately. I was drawing everyone's attention to how he'd played so we can keep an eye on him.
     
  24. Wolv3nsam

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    That was more so aimed at GlasgowWolf rather than yourself Pengwern.
     
  25. Adrian_Monk

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    Glasgow, perhaps if you scan your qualifications and post them on here people will start taking you seriously? Not saying i don't...i think you are right about keogh.
     
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    I think this means we need to buy a mature midfield player.
    Any potential Rae's out there.
     
  27. Dewsburywolf

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    Gavin at Cardiff?

    Not sure he's available though.
     
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    In that case why not try for Michael Stewart at Hearts, don't think he is available either.
     
  29. Dewsburywolf

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    Is he a Rae like Gavin is? :confused:

    Think I might have missed a smilie earlier.
     
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    I try to ignore subtlety on this site and just plow on with creative suggestions.
    Go take a look at Michael.
     
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    Never been accused of having that before.
     
  32. Adrian_Monk

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    When i saw melligan had scored i did wonder if it would raise a mention on here, despite the fact he left without any noteworthy playing time and is clearly barely league two standard. Shock horror here we are.
     
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    I remember seeing JJ Melligan getting the last 5 or 10 minutes against Coventry a few years back. Seemed to do OK IIRC.
     
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    Funny how people on here really slate Mark davies for liking a drink and then people advocate having Melligan back who was an even bigger $$$$ head (and has 1/10th of Davies' quality).
     

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