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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by The Weasel, Dec 4, 2008.

  1. The Weasel

    The Weasel Just doesn't shut up

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  2. jabbawolf

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    Ince only got the job at Blackburn because black is in their name - at least there's still Blackpool for him to go to. (Please note this is intended to be tongue in cheek and not racist!)

    So Paul, did you not get the job at Wolves because you were black - no, it was because you had no experience, which is now showing in your current job.

    Jez woz right.
     
  3. ROVERT47

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    Is this the same man that was going to "pass and move" Wolves back to the Premier League?
     
  4. Sozzled Wolf

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    I think Ince could be a victim of his own lofty ambitions.

    Nothing wrong with wanting to climb the 'achievement ladder' quickly, but I think he took too many rungs in one go.

    I'm not pleased that it's not working out for him as I'm grateful for the part he played in helping us gain promotion, but admittedly he does need a dose of reality. Some managers do succeed at a young age, but experience is also a useful asset to have in such a role.
     
  5. Del Woppio

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    He's taken to the Premier League like "a duck to water", apparently.

    Any manager that spends seven million pounds on 3 central midfielders after losing his best winger deserves failure.
     
  6. Tuco

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    I don't think he will be sacked, he has an impossible job there though, Blackburn have probably been as good in the last few seasons as they will ever be, Santa Cruz will leave in January and he will be lucky to get half the money made to sign a replacement.

    Who else would take over anyway? Curbishley maybe, a man who has been content to finish just above the bottom 3, but even he'd had enough of that eventually. I thik they will still have enough to finish above the drop zone. Then he could always jump ship again.
     
  7. duanepipe

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    Personally I'm delighted it's not working out for him. Number of reasons:

    1) I didn't want him as manager when he was being given undue adulation for his managerial brilliance - it's nice to feel, at least for now, vindicated. I'm petty like that.

    2) I don't like Blackburn and never have. They were a nothing club who set the standard for trying to buy success. They succeeded, we tried to copy but failed miserably. I'm petty like that.

    3) I don't like Blackburn's fans. They say the words 'look' and 'book' funny. I'm petty like that.

    4) I have never liked Paul Ince as a personality. Wasn't happy when he came to play for us but I do completely acknowledge the role he played in getting us up. However I also remember him dicking us about each pre-season and 'threatening' to sign for the Albion. I'm petty like that.

    5) I like the idea of us possibly passing them and Albion on the way up. That would be just about perfect. Throw Bolton in to the bottom 3 and life would be too sweet. I'm petty like that.
     
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  8. I've always considered Ince to be confident to the point of arrogance. Nothing wrong with that as it's a common trait of many very successful people. But you really have to back it up with the skill to do the job well and it seems Paul is being found out at the moment.

    I didn't think he was the right person for Wolves at the time and resented the comments he made why he believed he didn't get the job. Having said that I don't like seeing him in this position either and hope he turns things round at Blackburn, at least avoiding relegation. Maybe he needs someone with more experience to work with, receive ideas and bounce his thoughts off. Sort of a Bobby Robson/Terry Venebles mentor type of thing.
     
  9. Sozzled Wolf

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    ... and the theme of your message is....???? ;)
     
  10. The Weasel

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    What he said.........

    Oh and 6) I wasn't a big fan of him calling our club racist either
     
  11. Sozzled Wolf

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    I'll agree with that - if there's one thing that annoys me about Ince it was playing the race card - let himself down bigtime with that one.
     
  12. old wittonian

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    One iteresting fact is that they have to meet in the league this season. They meet in Birmingam on 20 December and then at Reading on last day of the season. Point being they will have to drop points against each other.
     
  13. The Weasel

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    Que?
     
  14. Toon Wolf

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    He knows the intricacies of football, I'll give him that!
     
  15. Agreed.













    Huh?
     
  16. cooper_J

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    Liked Ince in his first season for us but after that we could have put a barstool in the centre circle and it would have done a similar job. I should imagine the amount we paid Ince must set a record for someones who's main talent was to shout and moan incesently.

    Glad he didn't get the Wolves job and pleased he is now being taken down a peg or two. Arrogant git.
     
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    Interesting that he's often tagged as arrogant yet when you see him interviewed in the media he always comes across as someone who's bricking it.
     
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    I hope he does succeed, but he he got away with slander when he made that thinly veiled accusation that we are a racist club. Credit goes to all involved for taking the grown up stance of not pursuing it further (personally I am not so grown up and would have taken it as far as it could have gone).

    For me that is enough alone to be glad he didn't get the job. He is a coward of the highest order.

    He always came across as a very shy and sensitive man who manufactured this "guv'ner" image to cover that up.
     
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  19. SsgWolf

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    good player, rubbish manager. end of.
     
  20. W01ves

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    Perhaps now he's thinking that alledged round of golf he took instead of gaining his coaching qualifications wasn't below him as much as he first thought...
     
  21. reanswolf

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    I didn't like his comments that he may not have been given the Wolves job because he was black. But I don't hold this deep resentment some do of him.

    I think he really took Wolves to his heart, he desperately wanted the Wolves job and felt he could do something. Maybe that is down to arrogance, but we all knew and admired this self-determined streak in him whenever he pulled on a Wolves shirt. He always gave 100% even tho his best playing days were behind him. He always said we were the best fans he had played in front of, and the day at Cardiff meant as much to him as any other.

    I may be alone in my views, but to me he is a cult hero who helped us achieve our premiership goal. Along with Alex Rae, Dennis Irwin, Colin Cameron, Paul Butler, and of course our very own Matt Murray etc.
     
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  22. Mugwump

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    I cant understand the hatred towards ince. He did a good job for us. He should never have used the racist thing against us like he did, but i wouldnt say he is a bad manager. He did well at his last two clubs. His problem is, IMO, that he isnt ready for a premier league job. He should have stayed at mk dons longer, but i can understand the temptation of getting a high level job.
     
  23. The Weasel

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    Its not hatred Mugwump, well not for me anyway, but let's just take the racist slur on its own for a moment. I love my club. After my wife and baby (my wife would say Wolves come first probably) I love Wolves above all other things. If you can imagine someone you love - lets say your parents for the sake of argument, and then someone publicly in the press states that these people you love are racists, doesn't that make you a little angry? Doesn't it make you think less of them? Doesn't it make you want to defend the reputation of the people you love?

    What I couldn't understand last year was the "Ince is the saviour" mentality from the "Mick Out" brigade, who were prepared to forgive and forget Ince's slur just so they could get rid of Mick and replace him with this managerial genius we were about to miss out on.

    This is all aside from the annual messing about over contracts, the 'will he' 'won't he' re-sign, and the playing in the centre circle for the most part of his last two seasons on legs that were well past shot. These things are just minor niggles in comparison.

    I was delighted he went to Macclesfield and did an excellent job saving them from the drop. I thought he moved with indecent haste to MK Dons where he was given a shedload of money (by their standards) and hey presto, got them up. The Blackburn move looks like it was a step too far, and I don't think any of us should be at all surprised by that. But you only have to look back about 12months on here to see loads of threads and Polls lauding Ince as the answer to Wolves' problems. Ince wasn't the answer, Mick was - the board made the right choice, its a shame those calling for Ince at that time haven't by and large had the grace to admit they got it wrong (*except anyone on the "I got it wrong" thread).
     
  24. Mugwump

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    I didnt like the racist thing, but i do have to point out it wasnt the club as a whole he alleged were racist, just some of the higher up people shall we say. Ince would have been a good choice last season if we got rid of mick, he was doing well and i dont think we would have been too big a jump for him. If you have read my posts, i`m not a mick fan and i`m not going to pretend to be, but credit where credit is due he has learned from his mistakes from last season and has become a better manager for it. I`ll reserve my judgement until the end of the season as to wether the board were correct in keeping mick. Being a wolves fan, i always expect the worst :D
     
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    You "love" Jez Moxey??

    Ince clearly had a great passion for this club - for an outsider who had played for the biggest clubs in the world then come to Wolves, he really took to us & wanted to take us forward. Whether the self-belief he exudes as manager is justified, is debateable. Certainly he may have peaked to a prem manager too early.

    And to be fair, altho he suggested the decision not to appoint him 'may' have been based on colour (and correct me if i am wrong), he didnt slate the club as a whole (i.e Wolves the actual club, the fans, the team). Like most, I do think he was wrong. I was quite pleased with the MM appointment, but wanted Ince at tha time because I thought he knew the team's weaknesses inside out and possessed the drive and strength mentally to succeed. No guarantees of course, especially as an untried manager, but I guess thats what most polled Wolves fans may have thought too.

    Anyway, I just get the feeling most would now boo him, which saddens me because he was fabulous for us in the scheme of things. He may have been past his best, but anyone who thinks he was not an essential ingredient in getting us promotion and winning at Cardiff to achieve our dream (and surely the best moment for most Wolves fans), then beating Manu, Newcastle in the Cup etc, are kidding themselves IMO.

    For that input alone, I will always hold Ince in great esteem. What about forgive and forget? He was not getting at us after all.
     
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    If he keeps blackburn up i reckon he hasn't done a bad job. They were clearly coming to the end of a cycle and hughes was absolutely right to get out- they have difficulty attracting players that are good enough to take them to the next level given the hovel they are situated in, low attendances and proximity to a decent city. That said, playing one of the best full back's in the premiership alongside keith andrews in midfield doesn't look too revolutionary to me.
     
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    I agree, bit worrying that move is!
     
  28. The Weasel

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    No reans, I don't love Jez Moxey, but then as you and I both know very well, Mr Ince never claimed Mr Moxey was the target of his racist slur - if Mr Ince had said anything at all to suggest Mr Moxey was indeed a racist then I think we all know Mr Moxey would quite rightly have had his day in court, and Mr Ince would be several thousand pounds lighter!

    Ince used veiled terminology at first "it makes you think doesn't it" was his initial comment, he later followed it up with a general remark about 'most' chairmen of British clubs being from the old school 65-75 year old Brits - a different generation.

    Essentially the press and public were left to read between the lines. You've chosen to read it that he directly meant Jez. I think he meant our club from top to bottom, from its owners through its entire Board down. He was commenting on 'institutional racism' not one individual. He was calling the 'institution' of Wolverhampton Wanderers inherently racist. And I do indeed love Wolverhampton Wanderers.

    For the record, I loved Ince in his first couple of years with us and recognise the massively important role he played in galvanising the team to get us promoted. That's what makes it all the sadder the way he chose to make this parting gesture - it leaves a bad taste that for me just wont go away.
     
  29. Mugwump

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    Still think your wrong about him calling the whole club racist weasel. I thought it was pretty obvious who he was getting at, but i suppose the way he worded it could be interpreted either way. Does anyone actually have a link to what he really did say? its been that long ago i cant remember
     
  30. The Weasel

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    Maybe Mugwump, the journalist interviewing him was asking about his views on institutional racism in football in the UK, and he said "take the wolves job for example....". To my mind he's intelligent enough to know what he's being asked and to frame a response accordingly, I've never thought of him as a typically thick footballer, he's fairly eloquent in general. As you say its open to interpretation and I know that many people have chosen to interpret it as being directed at one individual. I think that was not Ince's intent at all (but I doubt he minded that inference much!)
     
  31. Mugwump

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    I dont think it was aimed at one person, but i do think he was getting at a few higher up at wolves.
     
  32. Del Woppio

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/henrywinter/2305621/Ince-aims-to-break-through-again.html
     
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    Riiiight. If you're going to be racist (sorry, tongue-in-cheek), at least bother to be remotely funny.
     
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  35. Mugwump

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    Thanks del. I have to say, reading that again just confirms that he didnt call the club racist, he just implied maybe somebody was.
     
  36. duanepipe

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    Indeed it does make me think Paul. It almost makes me think that the board and chairman of the club are the ones who decide who to appoint in to the manager's position and they use an evaluation model which is, perhaps, rather more robust than simply asking who the players and the fans want. You utter tool.
     
  37. The Weasel

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    Thanks del. I have to say, reading that again just confirms that he essentially called the club racist. He was asked for his views on the 'glass ceiling' black managers face in this country because of institutional racism and he singled out Wolves as an example. He didn't mention individuals because he wasn't talking about individuals he was talking about the club which he implies is an example of institutional racism.
     
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    I'm a fan that didn't want Ince as manager. I must be racist .................
     
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    Ah but was that because Ince is black or because you think he's a $$$$.
     

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