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Salary Cap - Even Wolves & Birmingham?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by OldWolvesfart, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. OldWolvesfart

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  2. Atlas 1951

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    They just picked a picture of Wolves vs. Birmingham as an illustration. Neither club is mentioned, and I can't see it being an issue for us. It's the relegated Prem players that are the problem.
     
  3. Bedford Wolf

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    If we want to keep this many clubs playing with full time pro squads then there needs to be some sort of regulation on players wages. How many clubs have we seen gamble on getting promotion by paying big wages, only to miss out and end up in the hands of the recievers? Remember Leeds.

    Rugby League manage with a salary cap, why not football?
     
  4. Tomasz

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    About bloody time!
     
  5. Mugwump

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    Rugby league over here has a salary cap and it works brilliantly. The succesful teams usually stay at the top for 2-3 years then the club has to decide which of the better players they want to keep, which in turn opens up room for the young players coming through. Clubs just cant afford to have a team of stars. The competition is really even. The 2005 premiers finished bottom this season. I doubt if the big clubs would ever allow a salary cap to be implemented tbh.
     
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    No club or other business can survive long if making a loss for football clubs thier main expense is wages, so a good idea in principle, the only problem I see is that if it applies to the championship down and not to the premiership it's going to make it even harder for clubs geting promoted to the premierhsip to stay there, as they are less likely to be able to keep hold of players of a standard to make the step up, so when they do get promoted they will need to make huge changes to the team (even more than today)
     
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  7. Wolv3nsam

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    I doubt we are paying £30k a week to our players as Birmingham are doing with the likes of Carsley and Phillips.
     
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    It would finish any thoughts of a break into the top.

    Man U, Would be able to spend huge amounts.

    Even Liverpool, would not be able to compete.
    Arsenal would be on a par with Liverpool.
    Chelsea would be screwed.


    All this would mean is the bigger clubs would rise to the top.

    The likes of

    Blackburn
    Wigan
    Reading
    Notlob

    Would never be able to compete in the prem.
     
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    They should bring one fixed salary cap for every team, thats why i love the NHL any team can beat any team, we should take a leaf out of the american sports bar the poxy adverts. and with micks policy i think we would be competing at the top.
     
  10. I believe its a good idea in theory, but would be bad news for relegated teams who are trying to keep hold of their best players. It could see relegated teams go into freefall. Unless it applies to players newly signed by Championship teams.

    If there was a cap, I can't imagine we would have any players over the cap level. The club has had a good wage structure policy for some time, and I think given our owner, CEO and sponsor, Wolves should be in as good a shape finanically as anyone in the league
     
  11. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Kightly (and any of the others that have signed new contracts in the past 12/18 months) might be on quite a fair whack, but you'd still probably expect them to below/just about level with Birmingham's average players. I've got no doubt that the likes of Phillips and Carsley will be being paid 1.5, maybe even 2 times what our top players are.
     
  12. Mugwump

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    A salary cap would force teams to produce more of their own players, which could only be a good thing for football in this country.
     
  13. andy-in-seat-190

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    In alot of businesses 80% of income is a benchmark for salaries.
     
  14. Salary caps to me are just a way for club owners to conveniently take away a problem they have been instrumental in creating in the first place. What if a 'young and hungry' player from League Two has the choice of playing for Wolves for a third of the money being offered to him by a European club with the same policy as ours but without the salary cap? I think a few people would be bleating pretty loudly about that.

    Having said that, the cap could have some positive aspects on the game too, but I think they are a bit hypothetical.
     
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    The only way football will deal with this, is when the banks who need the money st0op football clubs from having huge debts
     
  16. English football has gone too far to introduce salary caps. Money talks - the love in between Sky and the "top 4" ain't going away any time soon.
     
  17. Bedford Wolf

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    Spending a few years abroad would help the young men develop their game. I've no problem with that.

    Some of the foreign players going to Spain or Italy instead of the Premiership would open up a few more 1st team places for home grown tallent. I've no problem with that either. It gets better and better.
     
  18. Another thing I would ask is if there is a salary cap then will clubs cap their profits and have cheaper tickets or invest in youth systems? Or will they invest in accountancy talent and syphon the cash off for their own pockets?
     
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    Salary cap will not work, if 'salary' is to be 60% then the 'richer' clubs will just pay bigger bonuses.

    Clubs will always find ways around the rules to get past the official cap.
     
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    I have it on fairly good authority that Kevin Phillips is on £22,000 per week whereas our very own Chris Iwelumo is on a paltry £9,000 Even though I rate Phillips as an impact player I know who I feel is getting the best deal
     
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    Personally, I would be against it. For one thing, it would effectively preclude teams from signing players from the Premier League and would cause even more problems for relegated clubs, as they'd have to massively slash their wage bills to an even greater extent. More pertinently, if you know what your budget is, stick to it. If you can't be trusted to spend money properly, then that's your own problem.

    Fans obviously don't help matters, go on to the messageboard of any top half Championship club and I'll bet you that in the majority of cases, some mongs are saying that they should spend big in January to get the £60m you get for finishing bottom of the Premier League.
     
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    I don't think the idea of a wage cap is viable. But what is being recognised here is that high premiership wages are having a knock on effect in the championship and the other divisions.
    It's the financing of the clubs in the premiership and in some clubs in the championship that's also at fault.
    Chelsea get their money in the form of loans from Abramovitch (interest-free loan around 578m, repayable on 18 months notice), Foreign ownership of English football's Premiership clubs is growing and these big investments keep pushing up player values and wages. Chelsea's players were valued at 266m in mid-2007, presumably on their tax return and not in a fire sale should Abramovitch call in his loans.
     
  24. Atlas 1951

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    Rugby League players don't tend to get too many offers from abroad. If you salary capped in football you'd get a talent drain as players chased the big Euros.

    Re. Leeds: nobody said they had to borrow money on earnings they'd yet to secure. I haven't got any sympathy for them, or for the fans who were still bragging about being Champions League semi-finalists even after the wheels had come off (which was not all of their fans, of course, but a sizeable number of $$$$$$$$s). And I won't have any sympathy for the larger clubs who fall foul of a recession which is surely going to affect the next round of TV deals considerably. Football is a game, and if you up the stakes, you have to accept the increased losses when they come.

    The first thing that Sky would do if you salary-capped the Championship would be to remove or greatly reduce the parachute payments, as their entire raison d'etre would have been thrown out of the window. It's difficult to see how much that would help reduce casualties of high spending.

    The market will dictate players' wages, and they will be coming down in the next few years. It is a good time for Wolves to be heading into the Premiership. Some big spenders will adjust but in general I think we are heading for an era in which the fiscally-prudent clubs see a resurgence in fortunes.
     
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    The Guardian is a rag like the Mirror and Sun. Only good for providing left wingers!
     
  26. Mugwump

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    Sorry atlas, but the aussie league players get massive offers from abroad, from super league in England and from rugby union, especially in france where they are offering massive money. Not too sure if many english league players get big offers, but i know that a lot of the aussies do.
     
  27. I'm not up on Rugby League so bear with me - do Australian and English leagues play at different times in the calendar?
     
  28. Mugwump

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    nope, the season run pretty much together, the english season starts about a month before the aussie one.
     
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    IIRC the slary cap in Super League is calculated for each individual club based on that specific club's revenue streams. Doesn't the Guiness premiership in RU have a salary cap too.

    Mugwump I laughed for ages when the Bulldogs had all their points deducted for breaching the salary cap.
     
  30. Mugwump

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    That was funny. Quite a few clubs recently have gone over the salary cap, but they only got fines. The doggies basically lost the league with that ruling. Do you keep up with league over here leeds?, there is a funny clip on youtube about the roosters taking bulldog players. I think its only funny if you know the players. It was done by a bulldog fan i think

    [ame="http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHzL92UPcQ"]YouTube - Chook Chook Chook[/ame]
     
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    Nice one Mugwump. I have family on the Central Coast who are Bears fans (who were shafted after the ARL/SuperLeague debacle). I've followed the fortunes of Balmain (or West Tigers as they are now known) for many years myself.
     
  32. Mugwump

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    Gareth Ellis is playing at the tigers this year. Tommy radonukis has a buisness here in Brisbane delivering toilet paper :D
     
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    Lol. Excellent news about Tommy Ridiculous.
     
  34. Mugwump

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    I like tommy, he is hilarious
     
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    Naturally hilarious.
     
  36. Mugwump

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    He was a bloody tough player though leeds.
     
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    He certainly was and at a time when the game was more 'competitive'.
     
  38. Scarwulf

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    Wouldn't the parachute payment count as income, meaning 60% of the parachute could be used to pay the extortionate wages of the ex premiership players.
     
  39. Atlas 1951

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    So English teams are salary-capped but they're still offering "massive" wages to Australians? Then what's the point?

    If a salary cap doesn't bring down players' wages, then all it's going to do is limit squad size.
     
  40. Atlas 1951

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    Good point well made. I was talking from the point of view of a maximum wage, not a cap on percentage of turnover, which I now see left me rather isolated in the discussion.

    If they do it on a salary-cap basis, I can see relegated clubs indulging in some creative accounting. For example, how will they project their income from attendances? If they base them on the previous year's, it will be well out of whack. If a team was going all-out for an urgent promotion, it could also hike ticket prices in order to project a larger income (perhaps reducing it or adding discounts to placate the fans). Conversely, a relegated side would probably suffer a disadvantage.
     

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