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Modern Day Management

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Mugwump, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. Mugwump

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    I think there is a lack of modern day managers who learn their trade starting at the bottom and work their way up. Roy Keane is a good example, a fantastic player but he only got the sunderland job because he is Roy Keane. Ince only really had 2 seasons managing before getting a premier league job. Can anyone name me a manager in recent years who worked his way up the leagues before getting a good top flight job ? All managers make mistakes but the pressure most top flight managers are under now doesnt give them the time to learn from them.
     
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  2. DoomWolf

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    Martin O'Neill:

    Grantham Town
    Shepshed Charterhouse
    Wycombe Wanderers (took from non-league to league team)
    Norwich City
    Leicester City
    Celtic
    Aston Villa
     
  3. The Bear

    The Bear Just doesn't shut up

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    Megson and Redknapp.

    You could include Wenger too if you include Nancy, Monaco and Grampus 8 as lower league clubs.
     
  4. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Mick started out at Millwall before progressing on to ROI, then Sunderland (effectively in Championship) and now Wolves, and hopefully will be a Prem manager next season... it's not a perfect example, but shows progression. He played at the top level for a bit and 2nd division/abroad/SPL for a while, as well as being an international captain, but still started out in lower league and worked upwards.

    Suppose it's a bit different with manager too, they've already got experience of the game and top players will have worked with top managers for a long time and presumably learnt a lot off them, hence it's less of a gamble to give them jobs higher up the pyramid than it is with players.
     
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    megson was at a joke club before snagging the notlob job. Don't forget the lad at hull. The one that springs to mind is john gregory.

    That said, i think theres a tendency here to write off keane and ince for some perceived (imagined) slights against the club or MM. Don't forget southgate, Hughes, Bruce and Adams.
     
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    In what way did Southgate, Hughes or Brown work their way up the leagues? Also Brown never landed a top job. He got Hull promoted.
     
  7. Mugwump

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    I think o`neill is the last manager who genuinley did his management apprenteship so to speak. I cant think of one in the last 3-5 years who has got a job in the premier league after working their way up the league. Top flight teams either seem to look abroad or at recently retired players.
     
  8. Gratters

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    So working underneath the great managers during their playing careers doesn't help then ?
     
  9. Mugwump

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    Its going to help, but they need the experience of doing things themselves. Just because you work under alex ferguson doesnt mean your going to become him.
     
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    Curbishley and Coppell are two that learned their trade below top flight, then Curbishley got the West Ham job eventually after proving himself at the top.
    Coppell could have had a big job but he's not interested in the media pressure of a big club for personal reasons.
     
  11. Mugwump

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    Your right there blah, i forgot about curbs.
     
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    I think he was giving examples of succesful (relatively) managers who havent worked their way up the leagues.
     
  13. De Wolfs Mullet

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    I don't think it's necessarily a modern thing. Liverpool always promoted from within their boot room, so the managers never particularly had experience elsewhere.

    Stan Cullis was made manager after only 2 years as assistant manager. I also seem to recall Billy Wright became Arsenal manager after only a short spell as U21 manager for England.
     
  14. Mugwump

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    To be fair, liverpool were the exception to the rule, i cant think of any other club that did what they did.
     
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    No it doesn't but Ferguson is an interesting example. Look at the number of ex Ferguson players who are now in management and making a decent fist of it. Hughes, Bruce, Ince, Keane, D. Ferguson, Strachan, Mcleish, even Mcghee has had his moments though sadly not with us. Some managers teach their players more than others.

    Ferguson does seem to choose players in the first place who have leadership potential, and then they seem to learn a lot about management from him. Compare and contrast with the lack of successful ex Chelsea or Arsenal players in management over the past 10 years or so.

    Of course it helps that Ferguson's been around for so much longer than anyone else but I reckon the point still stands..
     
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