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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by northnorfolkwolf, Nov 30, 2008.

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  1. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Let's be honest and say that we are all deep down buzzing about the prospect of not only promotion but actually winning this thing!
    I think certainly 4 defenders can make the step up (Includes MM) plus the 2 wingers and SEB and CI. That gives a good nucleus but I see central midfield as the area we will need to spend to see us in with a chance of staying up.
    Do we agree and do we venture into the market in Jan to push our promotion bid on?
     
  2. Dewsburywolf

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    Don't mention the P word. :eek: :mad:
     
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    Mods please delete this thread :eek:;)
     
  4. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    But I do agree that CM would be where we should look to strengthen.. in a totally non-P word sense!
     
  5. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Jesus who started this thread??

    Can we delete this please
     
  6. Deutsch Wolf

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    This is a bit of an Express and Star style misleading thread title....

    Two things:

    1) Stop being so gay, it's natural that people will talk about promotion when we're miles clear of 3rd place nearly halfway through the season. You won't "curse" it by doing so.

    2) Yes, we should sign a central midfielder. Ben Watson please.
     
  7. Dewsburywolf

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    Two things to you as well Deutsch.

    1. Mick's (allegedly) banned the P word in the Dressing Room.
    2. Stop being Homophobic. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Deutsch Wolf

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    Well, this isn't the dressing room and none of us sit there. So we can either just limit all discussion to the immediate next fixture until the end of the season or talk sensibly. This thread isn't really about promotion anyway, as far as I can tell.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, just that it would be those with a preference for quiche that would wring their hands at the mention of promotion.
     
  9. Dewsburywolf

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    Hey I'm a Pessimist (I've said it enough times) and still aren't 100% convinced we're not gonna blow it again so any talk of Promotion's way too premature IMO.

    I do agree we'll most probably need some experience in centre midfield if we go up (look at the difference Carsley made yesterday) but I'd still prefer to just concentrate on taking one game at a time until we're 7 points clear of third with 2 games to go.

    I was accused of "grooming" a 16 year old girl the other day so the gay bit doesn't apply.
     
  10. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Agreed

    Lets concentrate on the next game......
     
  11. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Because that's much better!
     
  12. Dewsburywolf

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    I didn't say it was much better (I'd never dream of doing such a thing) but was just pointing out that I'm not interested in dating men.

    I'm confidant enough in my sexuality to not let either allegation affect me.
     
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    What has a baked dish made primarily of eggs and cream got to do with being gay....or promotion for that matter?

    I reckon you may have meant kitsch which is merely digging a bigger hole for yourself as all you are doing is reinforcing negative stereotypes of gay people to propagate an argument that while based on rational and reasoned points of information is evidenced by here say, ignorance and bigotry.

    Which is so hetero.....

    ;)
     
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    I think the Prem League is a step too far for CI. Our midfield is relegation fodder in the big boys world. The defence is alright so long as we get in another Mancienne type.
     
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    no, he meant quiche and I dont know any gays who prefer it over sausage:p
     
  16. jlovatt

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    No he hasn't. Kightly was asked that question on Soccer AM and he had Mick hadn't banned the word, they just don't talk much about it at the moment.
     
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    i agree on the defence bit - but CI? step too far?? (were you not at sheff utd!!??)
    anyway - not convinced myself - i think he deserves a crack at the prem - he's worked on his game and his physical power, pace and strength a lot over the last season or 2 - and i can certainly think of a lot of players in the prem now that i would not have instead of big chris
    zamora...
    harewood...
    bellamy...
    heskey...
    carlton cole...
    fuller...
    elmander...
    windass...

    just a few to mention...
     
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    Hence the (allegedly) that's what allegedly means - something often alluded to but not actual fact.

    Although I'll probably get folks now stating that I'm wrong to state that as well.
     
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  20. Dewsburywolf

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    Not interested pal. I work in Community Centres which have quite a few Youth Clubs and other Kids Groups in them. Not really condusive to keeping my job or indeed my Liberty. The offer might be there but I'm not ever going to accept. Ian Huntley has a lot to answer for.

    Can you go back to the Topic now please?
     
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    Jarvis and Iwelumo are doubts in my mind, I can't see Big Chris making the step up and we probably haven't seen enough of Jarvis to make a judgement - but his game seems very one dimensional to me, when he came up against the Reading FB who matched him for pace he had no other answers.

    It would be brilliant if we could sign Mancienne permanently if we go up as I don't think he will be getting in to the Chelsea team, he seems very light weight against the more physical forwards as proved yesterday and those clubs tend to want you to be the 'complete' package. Foley and Stearman should be fine, Stephen Ward is getting better each game.

    Central midfield definitely needs improvement. Henry had one of his worst games for a while yesterday and Jones didn't put himself about at all.
     
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    I agree with Deutsch abour getting Ben Watson in - especially as he would be cheap due to his contract coming to an end. Might spell the end of Davies however which would be most unfortunate. Mancienne is also a must if at all possible because he has precisely the class we will need in the Prem, although let's wait and see if we get him for the whole season and how he performs over a longer time frame.

    Another winger - possibly Carlos Edwards as a short term solution, although I would love us to make an outrageous bid for Adam Johnson who remains a permanent sub at Middlesbrough and will definitely want a move by the end of the season if Downing stays. Ledley is another possibility although seems to be overrated and over-priced.

    We will need an experienced Carsley-like midfielder and a similar CB (as Craddock will depart) and another very decent striker or two. If Blues failed to go up then Jerome wouldn't be a bad option although we probably need more of a proven performer. Lita has potential. Perhaps nick one or two players from the relegated sides.
     
  23. Nashie

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    Curse, no. But I don't think theres anything wrong with discouraging the 'oh we're gonna get promoted - how could we possibly fail' mentality. Lack of expectation helps the crowd cheer on the side.
     
  24. Del Woppio

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    We've got several (6?) players that wouldn't look out of place in the top flight - but I wouldn't think they could all perform in the same team, if that makes sense. We'll really need to supplement that potential with players of proven Premier League quality, which will be difficult attract as well as exceptionally expensive.
     
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    I'm $$$$ed off with people saying crap like "hang on,this is Wolves,we've been here before".
    Well actually,post Bhattis we haven't been here before, and if some want to believe, then good for them.
     
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    As much as I like big Chris, you have to be kidding right ?
     
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    it might help but probably not ;)

    on fm09 i was languishing in 10th/11th place, i bought marvin elliott from brizzie and won 11 on the spin.

    If its good enough for Everton scouts, it may be good enough for us :D
     
  28. dazmanwolf

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    Thats us jinxed now! Git! :rolleyes:
     
  29. glasgowwolf

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    It's not about players, or positions.

    1st half Saturday was all to do with giving the ball away.

    On numerous times, and I mean loads of times.

    The passes from Midfield were not good.
    Kightly tried too much
    When the passes were good, Ebanks Blake, and Iwuelmo, failed to keep the ball. So the ball came straight back to us.
    Gray was non existent - watch the game again he really was non existent, in as much as doing anything with the ball. His only contribution was putting another body behind the ball.

    Defensivley we were really quite solid.

    We had three scares, and these were due entirely to the forward getting between the defensive players. The disallowed goal, the Blues player dropped off Stearman and took up a position between Stearman, and Foley, Foley was to deep, and looking. We needed communication and did not get it.

    Second half it was better a lot better, our passes were better, we moved it quicker and to feet.

    We still had too many times where Kites lost the ball trying to do too much, The one time Kites passed it, we scored. He was better second half, that was mor
    Where SEB, and CI, failed to hold the ball up.
    But on the whole we passed the ball better. This funnily enough had nothing to do with Blues going 4-5-1, if anything it made our midfields task harder as there was less space. We just passed the ball better.

    The movement of the 2 wingers and front 2 was poor in the first half, some of that was down to Blues, they doubled up on Kightly, once he went left he did manage to isolate Nafti and get him 1 on 1, then he looked more like his normal self, He managed to get past him a few times and delivered some good balls.
    He still lost the ball trying to do too much far to often.

    In the premiership we will need to pass the ball better, far better.
    We will need it to stick when it goes up top.
    Kightly will need to release the ball faster. When he passes and moves he is an awesome player.
     
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    Buy Carlos Edwards in January as competition for places.
    Sign Ben Watson to really raise the bar in central midfield.
    Complete the season long loan of Mancienne.
    Sign Mackail-Smith.
    Then Promotion will be a certainy not just very likely.
     
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    Even if we get promoted we are nowhere near likely to stay up with the present squad. We will need to do some serious buying. Reading and Blues (to a certain extent) have been better that us if reports are correct and both these teams were relegated last season and have not made big changes to those squads. But hey! let's worry about that if/when we reach the promised land again.
     
  32. Atlas 1951

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    I made a similar point about the Mancienne-Stearman partnership earlier. It would certainly be a risk to introduce too many players with zero Premiership experience. However, if you're not looking at (at least) Hennessey/Ikeme, Foley, Stearman, Kightly, SEB and one other (Iwelumo, probably, but maybe Ward? or Jarvis, if he fulfills some more potential) all holding down a berth in a promotion side, we're looking at a twofold problem: the expense of furnishing a 70%-new squad, and the difficulty of getting it to play together as a solid unit from day one.

    Everybody knows exactly how much of Wolves I get to see, so if this is plain wrong then feel free to ignore/criticize/ridicule/call a fatois (delete as appropriate), but I do think that with a solid central midfield to the side far fewer stress points would show on the outer edges. We all know wingplay wins this division, but in the games I've seen, central midfield is far too content to play a very deep stopping game or just disappear. I can't help feeling that we won't really know how much of a team we have on our hands until we have people in the middle of the park who can keep possession more comfortably. Jones is capable of some sublime passes, but in general the wingers are having to make their own space by taking on men and there is usually an opposition CM to cover. The situation is obviously exacerbated by the fact that we only have one winger but it isn't just about width, it's also about penetration.

    It may be that I've just become used to a slower pace of game, I suppose, but if there's no insight at all in the above I've at least set up a juicy double-entendre in the last para for someone to smash back over the net.
     
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    We have to get automatic place this season it is as simple as that - or we will definitely start to lose some of our best players.
    Therefore if we buy in the January window - they have to be quality players.
    both good enough to help us get up and good enought to keep us in the Premiership...
     
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    I'll ignore the double entendre but won't ignore the fact most of the above is exactly how i see it. We are chaotic quality at times and whilst it is blowing ccc teams out of the water we look like premiership teams could pick us off at will. In the overall development of the team, however, the idea of signing young players with potential is that they will either carve out an excellent career with us or get us a hefty fee when we sell them on, and whilst players are getting interest from sides above us, they'll get even more if they demonstrate their abilities at a higher level, so we have to give them a chance to learn the game up there and become better players, and i agree that we need to strengthen the spine of the side to make this happen. Whilst i think mancienne is an excellent player, he is very similar to stearman in his natural instinct to attack every 1st, 2nd and loose ball every time, and it is causing gaping chasms in our back line before they usually rectify their mistake of letting the better strikers like jerome turn. In the premiership we'll be punished, so imv if we make it we need to invest in a centre half that can organise the back four, as it lacks any high level experience throughout. A midfielder in the style of george boateng is also critical- vocal, experienced and still has legs. Before we even think about having a premier league team i feel mick must at the very least add in these areas.
     
  35. Bedford Wolf

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    Just to put my slant on things...

    It's the teams who adapt quickly to the prem who have the best chance of staying up in that first season. We held our own in the latter part of our prem season once we'd adapted to the pace and style of play, but we never recovered from our bad start.

    Some players will surprise you with their ability to adapt to the prem. I never thought Paul Butler would be up to it, but he managed to hold his own. If a player has the intelligence, desire and is willing to learn he'll adapt quickly. It's the players intelligence that's the key.

    We're not safe from the drop just yet, so all this talk is a bit too soon IMV.
     
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    We only need look back at the first few games under DJ when we last went up to see what would likely happen to us playing as we do at the moment!

    But, it's suiting us well to get there, can't argue with that!
     
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    This team is far better than that one. I'd take Ince of the latter half of 02/03 over Henry, Lescott over Mancienne, Murray over Hennessey, Rae over Jones, and that's it.
     
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    Precisely Deutsch. I'm a huge fan of KH, he epitomises what we're about these days & would be my first name on the teamsheet every weekend at the moment. And I rate Jones too. But - I really don't think they would be up to much as a partnership in the Prem. In our two "big games" this season, our central midfield has been shown up a bit IMO. Only a bit, but that's where it's at in the "big games". If only we could genetically re-engineer Alex Rae.
     
  39. Mugwump

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    I cant see why people want somebody like carsley. He is over the hill and on huge wages. He made 1 decent tackle against us. Cant see the fuss over him really.
     
  40. Deanowolf

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    Agreed, and the same people calling for us to go for a player like Carsley in the summer are probably the same people who say things like "money is ruining the game" which is ironic to say the least.

    There are players that we could get that could do as good a job as Carsley and for a longer period of time for less money.

    The way we have assembled our current team is great, our team cost a fraction of theirs on Saturday and as i have said in another thread at the end we looked more likely to win it.

    Having said all that Jones may be due a rest as i think he was annonymous on Saturday.
     

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