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Kightlys recent performances

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Dorset DeWolf, Nov 30, 2008.

  1. Dorset DeWolf

    Dorset DeWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Just wanted to say while i do agree that some of his recent performances haven't been quite up to his normally very high standards, Southampton in particular springs to mind, he has by no means played badly as quoted by others.

    I have also seen many people saying he 'is holding onto the ball to long' and 'he needs to learn to pass', for me these people are competley wrong.

    For once we have got a player who loves to run at defenders at every chance he gets and isn't scared to try and take on 1,2 or 3 defenders, we should be encouraging this!!

    the sort of player he is and the way he plays, it is never ever going to come off every time, the same it doesn't with ronaldo or ronbinho, but we must not discourage him from taking defenders on as i think its brilliant to have a player like that at Molineux.

    And for what its worth i thought he was quality in the second half yesterday and scared their defence half to death
     
  2. Billy Quiet No Mates

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    Agree totally - some of the comments have been classic over reaction to 'only' good performances rather than the excellent we have got used to Inevitable part of his development to be double marked and I think he will emerge stronger Definitely premiership quality - let's hope he can get it here
     
  3. Tarcisio Mifsud

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    Surely yesterday he showed what a great player he is and even the tv commentator kept saying that Kightly is a great player and is unbelievable how he has managed to change from being written off, to non league football, to return to the championship and he can play in the premiership without huge problems.
     
  4. fullmoon

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    I wish Keogh could do the same;)
     
  5. mr_j_007

    mr_j_007 Senior Member

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    kights is a good player and he has created and scored some very important goals this season and i hope this continues for this and for many more season. whilst i do not think he needs to learn to pass more i am slightly concerned by his development, or lack of.

    for me he has become to easy to play against and he needs to add more things to his game, otherwise he will struggle to have a good impact on prem games. he cuts in far to often. that is his move. if your a defender and you know this then you can shape up showing him that way and already know he's going to take it and thus get your block in on him much quicker. he needs to learn how to play up against the defender he is facing make him have a run around go the opposite way to which he is showing you and at least try and go on the outside a couple of times a half to get the defender guessing.

    also i think he needs to learn how to slow things down abit. he has brought us many goals from picking it up in our own half and running determindly with the ball. but i think this only really brings goals against poorer opposition unless your a ronaldo. i think in the first half he went on a run and we got a throwing high up the pitch due to it. but maybe he should of layed it off, or just slowed it down hold the ball up for abit and the move would not of broken down. its not about passing more its about keeping possesion on the ball and he can not do it all himself.

    these are my criticism but this does not mean i think he's a bad player or past it. i just want to see him improve in these areas, i think there his weakness that he and the coaches should be working on. i think someone challenging for his place would also be a great help for him to develop and maybe spend abit of time out of the team and work on his game.
     
  6. Dorset DeWolf

    Dorset DeWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Are you crazy!!!??? Without him in the team we look nothing like the team we do when he's playing, just by playing he gives their defenders something to keep their eye on thus making space for other players
     
  7. mr_j_007

    mr_j_007 Senior Member

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    kightly4england, there is alot of ifs and buts in this answer but it explains my thinking. i do not mean this exact minute in the position the team is in, i agree he brings alot to us. i mean maybe after jan, when hopefully we have done some business. i am thinking that keane has messed edwards around enough and if we go back in with another loan offer we could get him. i would play him down the right and jarvis when hopefully back fit and firing on form on the left. this i think would allow kights to work on his game take alook of the team and himself from afar. not bad thing for a player to do and it can help there long term developmeant. he's not had any time out of team except for injury and i think some could be benifical to him and us.
     
  8. Golden Bull

    Golden Bull Guest

    When Kightly got hold of the ball yesterday and dictated the play with his running we looked much better. He's had a dip but those questioning him need shooting.
     
  9. Dewsburywolf

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    Fact of the matter is Kightly's dropped from regularly getting 8/9 out of 10 stats to only getting 7/8 so by his standards it's poor but by most others he's not playing too badly. Plus as some have said teams are "doubling up" on him. Let's judge him when Jarvis is back to give us quality on both wings.
     
  10. Golden Bull

    Golden Bull Guest

    You can add another to that. At many times yesterday Kightly had 3 men around him. Good point about Jarvis returning. Defences couldn't handle them earlier this season.
     
  11. Dewsburywolf

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    Defences couldn't handle Jarvis you mean.

    Seem to remember one game where Kightly was having lumps kicked out of him whichever side he played on (they were swapping sides every so often) and Jarvis at one point was laughing his head off at Kites in a "they won't do that to me cos they've got to catch me first" scenario.
     
  12. -MTW-

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    Rumour has it that he is carrying an injury and needs a minor op.

    Stress the point: Rumour!
     
  13. dolmanrj

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    all of our attacking play yesterday in the second half was mainly down the left hand side with kightly/ward, he gave a nafti a good running yesterday, excellent to watch at times
     
  14. Dewsburywolf

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    Going in for his broken nose fixing tomorrow.

    According to a "reliable source" (clue-hint :cool:)
     
  15. jayeff17

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    Kights is first class takes a lot of stick
     
  16. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    He is very good but does need to pass more. It's one thing having a player with the confidence and ability to beat players, that's a great asset, but he also needs to look around a bit more at times for the better option.
     
  17. Adrian_Monk

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    Several times against Blues he should have passed- his team mates were in better positions and by running too far he lost the ball and put the team on the back foot. To be fair he tracks back whenever he loses the ball but that energy would be better spent elsewhere- if he can add knowing when to release the ball to his game then we will have a hell of a player on our hands even in the premiership.
     
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    Sky said the same thing during the game :rolleyes:
     
  19. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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  20. Kightly holds on to the ball too long........Keogh gets rid of it too soon. Take your pick on who you'd want in your team.
     
  21. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Stupid comparison, that's not taking into account their ability. Infact if it was a choice between losing the ball or keeping possession, albeit in a less attacking position, then it's a no brainer which you'd take.
     
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    Kightly is doing stirling job and is beyond criticism in my book. We are scoring goals and are top of the league. If he is tired or injured then that may affect is overall play. Delighted with the team in all areas, which is a big change for me.
     
  23. Dewsburywolf

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    Which I was in the crowd for. Hardly repeating what was on TV was I?
     
  24. I do actually think this is a timely thread. I've noticed a general apathy to 'good' performances by Kites of late. The adoration he gets from the fans is a big part of why he is still here. I'm not saying people are giving him a hard time per se, all I'm saying is if he still deserves our appreciation (which he clearly does) it's important that we continue to recognise his talent and work rate overtly.

    The game is littered with players who felt under appreciated and became unsettled. We are nowhere near that point yet of course, but it is worth stopping the trend before it builds momentum IMHO.

    N.B I'm not saying he's beyond criticism if he has a poor game. I'm just saying we need to keep perspective that any good performances are still a terrific achievement for a developing player
     
  25. mr_j_007

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    mk-panther would you say that i have been criticising him? or is it fair to say ways in which players could and should look to improve. this does not mean that i do not think they are doing a stirling job for the team or that the team is doing amazingly well but i think it is fair to be able to pass comment on players.

    i would say and hope that all the players do not have that attitude and i think you can tell from that of stears interviews and his reaction when goals are connceded that players should always be striving to improve no matter how well they or the team are doing. they should always be self analysising there games.
     
  26. sussexwolf

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    Kights is our most exciting player. He is the one heavily marked and tackled. He is often marked two up and as a result it is difficult to give him the ball in good positions. This has been most evident when we don't have a decent left sided player player in the team for the oposition to worry about eg McIndoe or Jarvis. We lack cover for both Jarvis and Kights and as much as I dislike him, McIndoe was a good option. I wonder what Ward would be like if we had persisted with him on the wide left?
     
  27. -MTW-

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    And me.

    I actually heard he needed something doing on one of his fetlocks.

    Dont forget when evaluating Kites performances, he is surrounded every time he gets the ball nowadays. It frees up other players so helps the team, but doesn't make him look quite as effecive as last season.
     
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  28. Wolv3nsam

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    Kightly has suffered since Jarvis has been out of the team because he virtually gets no help on the other flank and is our only direct player - Gray doesn't have the pace to beat his man and Keogh just isn't confident enough to do it. The team on the whole has suffered since Jarvis' injury as we were flying and scoring freely before he got crocked, with only one winger in the team they're obviously going to surround him with 3-4 players and mob him of the ball. Kightly can't help that, he is recognised as one of (if not the best) player in this division.

    I will admit he is a bit selfish sometimes, but maybe you should ask if somebody is shouting for it and maybe it's not the case that Kightly is being selfish?
     
  29. Priorwolf

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    One more booking and all who would like him dropped will have their wish. For me he must start as many games as possible a good half hour from Kights in a game can be a big difference in results. At the moment without Jarvis he is the biggest threat and doubled up on. We are top of the league with Kights not at his best and no Jarvis haven't we got a lot to moan about.
    Chill out my friends enjoy it.
     
  30. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    No way does he need dropping, just needs to learn when to pass, I don't even think it's selfishness, just lack of awareness. Often when he does pass to people in better positions we score... so do it more!
     
  31. itsonlyagame

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    I have a feeling that IF he were to spend the rest of his career with us, he would , by then, rival Bully in the cult status he would achieve. The guy is a class act and still learning.
     
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    I though he was outstanding at Sheffield and also in the second half yesterday. He's a young lad still learning his trade and is inevitably going to have off days. A victim of his own success, the return of Jarvis will see him flourish once more.

    As long as he stops shooting at goal from direct free kicks, I'm more than happy.
     
  33. dazmanwolf

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    They've all layed lots of games in a row lately, so you can expect the players to be a bit off form.

    Having had a broken nose playing football and rugby I can understand if he wasn't quite himself - it does affect the breathing and vision.

    If that was considered to be a poor performance then I am happy if thats the worst he can do.
     
  34. haden-wolf

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    itsonlyagame - 100% agree.

    IF we could keep him at the molineux for the rest of his career, he WILL be a legend at the club, that for a lad picked up from grays is one hell of an achievement
     
  35. Shergar

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    I think there are some valid points to Kightly's in/out performances.

    Firstly, If he is carrying an injury (calf? hamstring?) then he should be rested as he does himself and the team no good at all.

    Secondly, I wish the training staff would spend time with him on learning a new trick to take it past the defender all too often he tries to take it through the defender and most of the times the ball doesn't pass through a solid object and the move breaks down.

    Yes, indeed he played well second half on Saturday, but these days he rarely takes on a player and skins them like he did.

    Oh and agreed, he is crap at direct freekicks too.

    Don't wish to offend the new God but it just what is seen and talked about with the post match pint.
     
  36. glasgowwolf

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    There is no doubt Kightly is the best player outside the premiership.
    However, for me there are times when he wants to do too much.

    There are games where he has made the right choices, where he has beat his man and looked to pass it.

    There are times and Saturday was one, where the majority if times he tried too much.

    It is all well and good taking players on but when there are 3 or 4 players crowding him, he needs to release it and move.

    I am sure MM is coaching him to improve his decision making.
     
  37. Shergar

    Shergar Guest

    I don't want to kick the bloke whilst he is obviously down but his corners..:rolleyes: he can't reach the near post unless he puts snow on the ball. Last night it was as if he had to give the upper tier a good view of the ball - ideal corners and freekicks to defend against.
     
  38. SaleWolf

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    Anyone who thinks Kightly should be dropped is a brain dead.

    Easily the best player in the club, easily the most influential, easily the most creative.

    He was poor yesterday i agree but ffs how many games has he effectively won for us this season. Does Ronaldo play like the World player of the year every week, no. Would you drop him, no.

    The rest of the league clearly know what a good player he is and double up on him at every opportunity yet he still wins us games. However, he will have occasions, like yesterday when he doesn't produce the goods.
     
  39. northnorfolkwolf

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    Jarvis on the other wing takes the pressure off Kightly.
     
  40. Wolv3nsam

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    It doesn't help when he was part of a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 yesterday as we played a 3 man midfield.
     

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