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Are Portsmouth where Wolves should be ie European Competition

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Dewsburywolf, Nov 27, 2008.

  1. Dewsburywolf

    Dewsburywolf Just doesn't shut up

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    I've been pondering Posting something like this since the beginning of the season but as I watch Portsmouth V AC Milan I'm all the more of the belief that Portsmouth are where Wolves should be. When you consider that they went up as Champions when we won the Play-Offs it can't be far from the realms of reality to think that that could be the case. Portsmouth got promoted by buying the likes of Merson and then adding higher quality of players year on year until this season getting into the UEFA Cup.

    Could/should Wolves have done the same? Can anyone here imagine having the likes of Kaka & Inzagi playing at Molineux?
     
  2. northnorfolkwolf

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    I look at Portsmouth and Villa and see that their massive improvement in recent times is based on 2 great and special managers - Redknapp and O"Neill.
    I don't want this to turn into an anti MM thread but, in my heart I do not believe he is in their league as a manager and I am not sure how his style of management will work when dealing with the overseas players we will inevitably attract to survive in the Prem, if we get there.
     
  3. Tuco

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    I've seen Figo and Barcelona at the Molineux, so you never know. As for the game on now, I know it's a decent atmosphere at fratton park, but it's hardly an intimidating one, we'd make a far better fist of it.

    If promoted and with decent investment why can't we do what I would call ordinary clubs like Middlesbrough and Bolton have done.
     
  4. Deutsch Wolf

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    Of course we can do it. We need to get promoted and establish ourselves in the Prem first.

    Not by doing it the Portsmouth way mind, spending 90%+ of turnover on wages. They'll be back in the lower reaches of this league within five years if they don't get a fortunate takeover.
     
  5. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    I always think Man City ($$$$-up season) and Pompey (promotion season) show that we feasibly could be a top half Prem side in the next 5 to 10 years. Our club is set up to cope with that, but I agree Mick aint in the same bracket as O'Neill et al...
     
  6. Deutsch Wolf

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    No surprise, pound for pound O'Neill is the best manager in the world IMO.
     
  7. greco wolf

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    of course we can be there, need couple of seasons in the prem. Not sure if Mick is/isnt but hard to judge him, doing great job here. When at Sunderland had no money to spend, and had a poor squad in the prem
     
  8. Dewsburywolf

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    Who died and made Phillippe Senderos the AC Milan defensive lynchpin? :eek:
     
  9. wanderer24

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    An old Pompey workmate back in 1997 and 1998, said ten years from now we will be playing Champions legue and you will still be strugling in this division. They were a mid table average championship team and i laughed in his face and bet him a grand it wouldn't happen(i was never going to see the money).
    They may not be in the champions league but they have left us behind and are a good Premiership side who should be competing for Uefa cup football every season.
    We could easily do what Portsmouth have done and although it will take many years, we have the right set up at the club to make it happen.
     
  10. Dewsburywolf

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    2 $$$$ing nil to Pompey. WTF.
     
  11. Deutsch Wolf

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    No they haven't and no they aren't.

    You cannot spend 90% of your turnover on wages continually.
     
  12. wanderer24

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    Are you seriously trying to say they haven't left us behind? They have an excellent sqaud and can give anybody in the Premiership a good game. I know nothing of their finances but regardless they are still years ahead of us.
     
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    aaaaaah, couldnt happen to a nicer team.
     
  14. Deutsch Wolf

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    Let's where both clubs are in five years time.

    Bradford were "ahead" of both clubs eight years ago.
     
  15. wanderer24

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    I hope you're right.
     
  16. Atlas 1951

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    Redknapp's done a fantastic job in terms of getting them stabilized and competing within a short period of time, but there is absolutely no future to the set-up whatsoever. When they go down (and it is when, not if) they will not be back.
     
  17. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    Why is it a 'when'? I'd always thought they were quite well set up. (Assumed, rather than basing on any facts.) After getting shut of Manderic I thought they'd built well, not got any huge players, so where is the massive wage bill coming from?
     
  18. Deutsch Wolf

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    Diarra, Crouch, Krancjar, Campbell, Distin, Defoe, James are all on HUGE wages, and they get 20,000 through the gate.

    They spend over 90% of their turnover on wages, it isn't sustainable.
     
  19. WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax

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    I've always been under the impression that gate receipts are pretty irrelevant when you have the Prem TV money coming in... suppose an extra 10k in the ground per game would be an extra £4.37mill per year (not taking into account all the extra fees they'd generate) with which you could pay an extra 84k a week in wages. OK, it's actually a more significant factor than I expected, but that's still only a fraction of what the TV money would add... I can see it being a disadvantage but not something that would cause the club to lose the plot and get relegated with no hope of return...
     
  20. Deutsch Wolf

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    TV money gets spent very very quickly. It isn't as big a factor as people make out. Why do you think that Charlton, Watford and Southampton are struggling?
     
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    man city have a much larger support base and the location means they would be more attractive to many players than we ever would, likewise in being able to attract owners.

    when they went up they could attract the likes of anelka etc, even if hayward hadn't "left his wallet at home", we'd never have got that type of player.

    pompey, on the other hand would've been possible with more ambition.
     
  22. Atlas 1951

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    It isn't that it's not a factor; the point (as I see it) is that between relegation-struggling sides, it varies very little. You're going to get very little edge on your competitors by spending the same amount that they have to spend, give or take a million.

    In answer to WABOC's question: I just think it's been too hand-to-mouth for too long; established Prem stars getting their last two years' hyperinflated pay-cheques etc. It's true that the age of the team has reduced a bit in recent years, but nothing has come through the Academy, and noone (that I can think of) has been sold for more than they cost. I think Redknapp is the best there is at that kind of wheeler-dealing, "do a job for us" barrow-boy "you're 'avin a larf, incha? Twenny-five click and that's your lot, my san", cockerney sparra "Doooo what? Behave! 'Ere you go, me old mucka, get the wife sam'in' nice for Christmas -- don't tell the taxman" wartime spiv "look at the thrupenny bits on your missus" semi-kosher, "We've never ate like this dahn Brick Lane" sort of management; and he'll be difficult to replace.
     
  23. John

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    They've headed in the right direction by appointing an ex con.
     
  24. Uncle Festa

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    They also improved the team first and not the ground. What an atmosphere last night at Fratton Park. Thats how it should be. All sides of the ground on their feet chanting none stop with smiles on their faces, and not one announcement to sit down and shut up.
     
  25. John

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    Hope the council are shamed into taking action. They can hardly deny it happened.
     
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    Portsmouth are a good example in one sense that you can get promoted, establish yourself and move on to the big European nights such as last night. In the other sense they're exactly what we've been moving away from. As Deutsch says, their wage bill is astronomical, Sol Campbell is probably on as much as our starting XI on his own. They can't keep it up and unless they get some mad Sheikh take over, they're a Leeds in waiting.


    But who'd win in a fight??!:rolleyes:
     
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    How ironic when everyone is coming clean on how they "got it wrong" someone should post start such a stupid thread.
     
  28. Space Wolf

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    Shame they couldn't get 20,000 when they were 20th in Division One.

    Looks like many only went to see Milan. Kaka must have been blinded by all those camera flashes everytime he went to take a corner.
     
  29. Atlas 1951

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    I actually think Milan are where Wolves should be European competition.
     
  30. Edgmond Wolf

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    There fans were awesome. I hope the South Bank can make that much noise on their own.... or perhaps we could be joined on Saturday and make the whole of the Mol rock :cool:
     
  31. Denmead Wolf

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    I had texts last night from "mates" who were saying "who are ya," and "Play up Pompey", at 2-0, when the last time they texted me regarding footy was in May when they were at Wembley. Sums up a lot of their support really. You could have still got tickets for the game last night over last weekend. See what the atmosphere would have been in a modern 30k+ all seater. Their fans arent as good as people make out, even with a low capacity they havent been selling out every week, and should they not qualify for the next stage of the UEFA cup, I can see a mass exodus of players come January to balance the books. Their income is £65m per annum and their players wage bill is £60m per annum alone.
    If / when we do go up, I would rather we did it on a solid platform that we currently have, than doing a "Leeds" as someone else pointed out. Without a new owner with serious cash, they are doomed Mr Mannering. And I for one couldnt be any happier when that day comes. Bunch of $$$$ing $$$$ers. $$$$ing hate them, their $$$$ing fans, their $$$$ing players, their $$$$ing manager, their $$$$ing ex manager and their $$$$ing $$$$ hole of a $$$$ing ground.

    But to get back to thread, yes they are where we should be in Euro competition and it certainly excites me that if they can do it, so can we.
     
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    Uefa cup? $$$$ off. Don't you have any ambition?
     

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