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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix Archive' started by Dr Wolfenstein, Nov 26, 2008.

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  1. Dr Wolfenstein

    Dr Wolfenstein Just doesn't shut up

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  2. Jeez, this is getting really boring.

    Its a shame that someone who was a great player (not only four us, but for England) seems obsessed with playing the race card!

    Who's slagging him off? The papers will start laying into any manager as soon as they smell blood, and Blackburn's fans have every right to be $$$$ed off at the situation!
     
  3. Ulver

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    In short, no.
     
  4. sjonnie

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    In fairness it's Oliver Holt who is posing the question - not Ince.
     
  5. Holt tries to be controversial and ends up posing some very ignorant questions insulting just about everyone he mentions. This is just muck raking by a rubbish tabloid.
     
  6. Mr Zuki

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    Couldn't agree more. Anyone who has read my posts knows my opinion of and abhorrence for racism but even I am tired of the constant trotting out of the race card with regard to Ince. The fact of the matter is that he has taken a mid table side and turned them into relegation candidates. The people who are concerned about this are not concerned about his colour.

    Oliver Holt is, in my opinion, a lazy and shoddy journalist and this is another piece of lazy and shoddy journalism.
     
  7. Why are Blackburn struggling?

    Mark Hughes is a better manager than Paul Ince.

    Simple as.
     
  8. manc_wolf

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    really got to you that article didn't it!!!??? :D

    try reading it again though!! bit unfair to accuse ince i think...

    i think ince would be embarrassed by it personally - it's just another so called "controversial" attention-seeking journo... holt can go join gaunty in the dole queue as far as i am concerned... more carp like this and he probably will...
     
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    Ince is under pressure because Blackburns best player last weekend, was Andrews.

    They looked really poor
     
  10. Tuco

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    He took a job where the previous manager took Blackburn as far as they will ever go, plus they lost a good player or two, and he didn't have all the money made to replace them.

    He may have been better waiting for a newly promoted side who are looking to replace a manager who is struggling, then he'd have been able to put his mark on the team.
     
  11. I think you've hit the nail on the head mate, I fully agree. Hughes took Blackburn as far as they can go at the moment. With a couple of players leaving and not many new signings, whoever took over this season was going to be under pressure. Its not race, FFS, its just that Ince isnt doing what hughes did there, so by comparison is failing. Blackburn are looking poor, and I'm not sure even Redknapp would be able to go in and work his magic there
     
  12. duanepipe

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    Holt is a Sped.

    If he'd posted that 'article' on a forum he'd probably be laughed at for amateur trolling. The fact that he's paid to write such cretinous rubbish on an issue which is actually a pretty serious allegation - gutlessly, not made against anyone in particular - shows what a tool he is. If you get idiots like him throwing the race card argument about over nothing, it diminishes the issue when race actually is a factor in someone being discriminated against.
     
  13. V Wolf

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    As people have said, this is just a case of lazy journalism and sensationalism. Taking the situation completely out of context and using a massively emotive subject meaning that it is always going to be divisive subject matter. I, for one, am glad that the vast majority of people seem to have realised this for the rubbish that it is.

    Thinking back on Hughes' first few months at Blackburn, he didn't have the greatest of times. As stupid as it sounds, I never saw any articles asking if he was having a rough time of it because he was Welsh!

    Hughes had Blackburn making advances they hadn't dared dream about since they "bought" the league title and turned them from relegation contenders to a strong top 10 team. The chances are that Ince was always going to struggle with things the way that they are. Everything from the squad to the backroom staff would have been brought in under Hughes' guidance and will have been coached in a certain direction for a number of years.
     
  14. Atlas 1951

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    Appalling editorial, even by the Mirror's shameful standards.

    Ince was simply promoted too soon, and everyone could see it. His use of the race card in previous statements doesn't overly bother me -- it's his to use, not mine, so who am I to judge? -- but there is a certain gratification in knowing that we did pick the right man two years ago. Okay, Hughes' boots are big ones to step into, but Ince inherited a largely stable and achieving squad and failed to manage it. I hate to think what would have happened if he'd got the Molineux job.
     
  15. sjonnie

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    I still think Ince is a decent (if inexperienced) manager. He did well in his first two assignments. Blackburn - as a smallish Prem club with a relatively small fanbase and unglamorous location - is always going to be a tough job. IMHO they are a Coventry waiting to happen. As you say he probably made the step up too soon.
     
  16. Atlas 1951

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    Wolves would have been an equally challenging post -- perhaps more so. He simply wasn't the right man for us at that time.
     
  17. Akaman

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    It might turn out ok for him, given time. I'm pretty sure that Southgate looked out of his depth when he first took over at Middlesbrough and although he's not pulling up any trees there he's certainly settled into the job. Ince lost his best player, has had a limited budget to strengthen and is five points off comfortable mid table, the Premiership being the close league it is this season.

    I'm not turning it into a Highlander type, Ince love in, just looking at it with a bit of common sense. Just as them being 9th after a few games didn't mean Ince had taken to it like a 'duck to water', being 19th a few games later doesn't mean he's $$$$
     
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    Very boring. I wonder what Mark McGee is up to these days????
     
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    Still Manager of Scottish Premier League Motherwell isn't he?

    In regards to Ince it's got nothing to do with his Race, Creed or Colour it's just that his Premier League inexperience is showing up somewhat. He'll pull through if his Chairman & Board show some Patience.
     
  20. wolves_gal

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    I think a lot of Wolves fans need to stop being so naieve and realise that its not Ince coming out playing the race card, its the press.

    He made one comment during (or just after) his time at Wolves, about not getting the job because of his skin colour...Since then that same interview has been republished two or three times which gives the impression that Paul Ince is harping on and bitter, when in actual fact its just the press bringing up old news.

    He's since gone on to have a pretty sucesful couple of years in management, but Blackburn will need to give him some time if he's going to do the same there. I think he will prove himself to be a very good manager in the future.
     

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