What will Relegation Look Like?

We are Stoke
We are the Bennies
We are Blues
We are Saints
We are Pompey
We are Blades
We are Wednesday
We are Notlob
We are Ipswich
We are Norwich
We are Boro
We are Blackburn
We are Charlton
We are Coventry
We are Leicester
We are Derby
We are Cardiff
We are Swansea
We are Reading


Nice one Jeff
 
WickedWolfie said:
The danger is, and we've seen it before, that once people stop going they rarely restart.
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I’m in that bracket. Jeff priced me out last season and I’m now feeling less and less inclined to bother again. There’s lots of reasons behind my decision but money and enjoyment are at the forefront.
 
Jefe said:
What terrifies me the most about our predicament is... I do not know where the bottom is under these owners.
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this is the elephant in the room.

But I would rather do a Wednesday and go into administration, then do a Blackburn, then just paying enough of the two to not get removed. But not putting any money into the club at all. That’s the true fear
 
Jefe said:
What terrifies me the most about our predicament is... I do not know where the bottom is under these owners.
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Yep. It’s a massive danger, we know that FosunShi are irrational and prone to thinking they are super clever. Knee jerk reactions are common and they enjoy the power they wield over the fan base.

The problem is not what they are planning (although i’m pretty sure that is bad enough), but how they react to unforeseen events.

Events outside the club could quite easily lead to disaster with Fosun in control at this time.
 
JayStringer said:
Wolves just arent a club who bounce back instantly. When things go wrong they go very wrong, we soul search, we drift. In my view relegation will lead to a prolonged period in the second tier.
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I don't think a club like Wolves has gone down for several years (in terms of being an established PL side at this point).

2022/23 was the last time all three promoted sides came up (and have since stayed in the league).

So not sure how much we can look at precedent given the current circumstances. Maybe Southampton 2012-23, who eventually sold a player too many. Possibly Bournemouth 2015-20 but their ground capacity is 1/3 of ours. Or maybe Newcastle United in 2016 but even that is now nearly a decade ago.

Point being that the era of clubs like Wigan, Stoke, Blackburn, being in the PL for years and then never getting close to a return, is rare these days.

(Don't get me wrong, the doom and gloom merchant in me still thinks that we need to make sure we don't do a double drop, given we've never managed an immediate PL return previously.)
 
WorcesterWanderer said:
Massively enjoyed the half season with JL and was convinced that was us back to normal and back on track, landing on our feet with an elite manager who can lead a project. I did think that JL would have us back in Europe as well.

I thought basically the same of VP, with a lower ceiling TBH, believing we had found a rough diamond of a manager who'd be here for a few seasons and get us back to upper mid-table, away from relegation scraps every year at least.

Shame.
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True he seemed to bring back the project for a little while and for a manager I felt he nailed the subs in the main [a v under rated quality ] something VP lost completely this season.
 
Jefe said:
What terrifies me the most about our predicament is... I do not know where the bottom is under these owners.
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Do you think there's a possibility of administration? L2?

My worst-case is they sell to someone who loads the club with debt but isn't actually rich. Don't see a bottom there.

My hope is they leave a championship club on reasonable financial footing and sell to an owner who has some vision that doesn't involve financial shenanigans.
 
brianm said:
Saints and Leicester were pretty established...
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I referenced Southampton as another club who sold a couple of players too many.

Fair call out on Leicester though, worrying how quickly I've forgotten that mid 2010s spell in favour of their recent toils.
 
brianm said:
Do you think there's a possibility of administration? L2? My worst-case is they sell to someone who loads the club with debt but isn't actually rich. Don't see a bottom there. My hope is they leave a championship club on reasonable financial footing and sell to an owner who has some vision that doesn't involve financial shenanigans.
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Even for the most virulent Fosun naysayer, them 'doing a Bhattis' seems far out at this point. If I recall correctly however, there were rumblings on here that auxiliary staff fear mass lay-offs in the event of relegation. I could see incredible tumult behind the scenes, with many Wulfrunians at the club mercilessly put out of work.

As for the potential buyer, I doubt we would see anything like the same duty of care in the handover that we saw from SJH and Morgan. I think they sell to anyone who meets their valuation, regardless of how unscrupulous. Make no mistake, they would have sold to that dirtbag Textor had he not tried it on with company shares rather than straight cash. Despite Fosun's utterances about minority investment, they will surely accept the right offer.
 
Jefe said:
Even for the most virulent Fosun naysayer, them 'doing a Bhattis' seems far out at this point. If I recall correctly however, there were rumblings on here that auxiliary staff fear mass lay-offs in the event of relegation. I could see incredible tumult behind the scenes, with many Wulfrunians at the club mercilessly put out of work.

As for the potential buyer, I doubt we would see anything like the same duty of care in the handover that we saw from SJH and Morgan. I think they sell to anyone who meets their valuation, regardless of how unscrupulous. Make no mistake, they would have sold to that dirtbag Textor had he not tried it on with company shares rather than straight cash. Despite Fosun's utterances about minority investment, they will surely accept the right offer.
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Disagree with none of that. I think the actual bottom is whomever they stick the club with next. My guess is Americans looking to "diversify" from the, uh, AI situation here. But which kind (actually rich, vultures, a straight-up crazy person) I have no idea.

While Fosun are at the helm I think they can probably at least keep the club in the Championship.
 
Jefe said:
I doubt we would see anything like the same duty of care in the handover that we saw from SJH and Morgan
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I think that once that have given up and decided they want out (i.e. in 2022), the sadistic side of Jeff would take a huge amount of perverse pleasure from selling us to a dreadful owner. “that will teach for saying I said Wolve”.
 
sigarner said:
I thought the same, regarding JL. Thought he was going to take us places
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Remember walking back to the car park after the Liverpool game at Molineux which we won 3-0 thinking 'we are well and truly back' . How wrong I was. But I reckoned without Shi, who will inevitably **** up any and every bit of good fortune that comes our way.
 
Kingswood Wolf said:
We are Stoke
We are the Bennies
We are Blues
We are Saints
We are Pompey
We are Blades
We are Wednesday
We are Notlob
We are Ipswich
We are Norwich
We are Boro
We are Blackburn
We are Charlton
We are Coventry
We are Leicester
We are Derby
We are Cardiff
We are Swansea
We are Reading


Nice one Jeff
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Good list, puts it into perspective. Virtually the entire Championship are clubs that think they *could* be in the Premier League. Including several who could argue they really *should* be there. Unfortunately, there's only room in the PL for the 20 best run clubs in the country. Could add QPR & Sheff Utd in there, too

I think it's going to be a rude awakening for many of us fans, let alone the owners. The game always progresses and it's not the Championship we left. There are many full internationals playing in the Championship now, it's ranked as one of the strongest leagues in the world.
 
Sadly lots of very good local people are going to lose their jobs in cost cutting exercises……

I feel so sorry for any employees of the club who are about to lose their jobs because the Teflon don and pocket dictator Jeff shi was allowed to kill the club and it’s ambition unchecked for the best part of 5 years to leave us where we are now.

No matter how annoyed we are with Jeff and Fosun, be mindful there are now many great people who serve the club and fans with great distinction facing losing their job and the environmental between fans and club getting more toxic.

Please be kind to the employees who haven’t done this…….. they might be the only person you come in contact with, but remember they aren’t to blame and don’t deserve any of the **** that Fosun should get.
 
It is amazing that some fans are talking about L1 as if it’s likely.

Yes, it could happen to newly relegated clubs but at this point in time there is nothing to base these doom scenarios on for Wolves.

Life is hard enough without letting imaginary worries sap your energy and get you upset…….and for nothing.

Wolves probably have a better chance of avoiding relegation than dropping down twice in a row.
 
VancouverWolf said:
It is amazing that some fans are talking about L1 as if it’s likely.

Yes, it could happen to newly relegated clubs but at this point in time there is nothing to base these doom scenarios on for Wolves.

Life is hard enough without letting imaginary worries sap your energy and get you upset…….and for nothing.

Wolves probably have a better chance of avoiding relegation than dropping down twice in a row.
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We have fewer points now than other double drop teams. We *look* like one of the worst teams the PL has seen. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable based on the cold hard facts of where we are.

There may well be 3 teams even worse than us. That is Fosun's strategy these past few seasons, after all and we may be lucky again.
 
Contrarian said:
We have fewer points now than other double drop teams. We *look* like one of the worst teams the PL has seen. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable based on the cold hard facts of where we are.

There may well be 3 teams even worse than us. That is Fosun's strategy these past few seasons, after all and we may be lucky again.
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Ok….let’s look at that.
Yes, it’s looking very grim now……but it’s not done yet. But as you said, and I agree with, it’s not unreasonable to think or expect us to drop.

But to view our current situation and extrapolate that to assume we will drop down to L1 is a tad illogical. Too much could happen in the future to make us think that it’s likely.
 
Contrarian said:
Good list, puts it into perspective. Virtually the entire Championship are clubs that think they *could* be in the Premier League. Including several who could argue they really *should* be there. Unfortunately, there's only room in the PL for the 20 best run clubs in the country. Could add QPR & Sheff Utd in there, too

I think it's going to be a rude awakening for many of us fans, let alone the owners. The game always progresses and it's not the Championship we left. There are many full internationals playing in the Championship now, it's ranked as one of the strongest leagues in the world.
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QPR! Dammit, missed them.
Got the Blades on there.

But yeah, I think we're in for a rude awakening.
 
Kingswood Wolf said:
We are Stoke
We are the Bennies
We are Blues
We are Saints
We are Pompey
We are Blades
We are Wednesday
We are Notlob
We are Ipswich
We are Norwich
We are Boro
We are Blackburn
We are Charlton
We are Coventry
We are Leicester
We are Derby
We are Cardiff
We are Swansea
We are Reading


Nice one Jeff
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not yet we're not
 
22,000 gates by September, lowest being 19,000 for a Tuesday night when we’re languishing in 15th in March.

We’re going back to day one of when Fosun took over, I feel. Only this time they’re trying a Morgan/ Moxey re-brand of “young and hungry”.

Which I predict is code name for “there is no money for Wolves”.
 
Further Fosun neglect is what relegation will look like. They'll give even less of a **** next season than they do know. A truly terrifying prospect
 
VancouverWolf said:
Ok….let’s look at that.
Yes, it’s looking very grim now……but it’s not done yet. But as you said, and I agree with, it’s not unreasonable to think or expect us to drop.

But to view our current situation and extrapolate that to assume we will drop down to L1 is a tad illogical. Too much could happen in the future to make us think that it’s likely.
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I don't assume it. It's just that having been there before, it can't be ruled out as a possibility. Not sure, but I think it's actually more common than it used to be back in the pre-PL days?

What concerns me is the feeling of complacency or apathy that comes out of the club in recent years. Both of those are symptoms of a club that isn't going to return any time soon, not until they are sorted.

I think we need a reset from the top. New owners ideally, though I'm of the idea that a new CEO would be enough to give us a new lease of life. Provided that new CEO had the right expertise and attitude to get working on the club at all levels. Look at a company like Rolls Royce. Drifted along for years, treading water. A new CEO completely transformed them from the worst performing company to the best performer on the FTSE. Of course, it means that CEO has to have excellent judgement in football related business, enablingf them to create the right structure and make the right appointments.

There's 8 billion people on planet earth , 1.5 billion of them in China. Surely there must be someone in that lot who can do a better job than Jeff?
 
Contrarian said:
I don't assume it. It's just that having been there before, it can't be ruled out as a possibility. Not sure, but I think it's actually more common than it used to be back in the pre-PL days?

What concerns me is the feeling of complacency or apathy that comes out of the club in recent years. Both of those are symptoms of a club that isn't going to return any time soon, not until they are sorted.

I think we need a reset from the top. New owners ideally, though I'm of the idea that a new CEO would be enough to give us a new lease of life. Provided that new CEO had the right expertise and attitude to get working on the club at all levels. Look at a company like Rolls Royce. Drifted along for years, treading water. A new CEO completely transformed them from the worst performing company to the best performer on the FTSE. Of course, it means that CEO has to have excellent judgement in football related business, enablingf them to create the right structure and make the right appointments.

There's 8 billion people on planet earth , 1.5 billion of them in China. Surely there must be someone in that lot who can do a better job than Jeff?
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All we can do is hope…….it’s our lot in life, isn’t it? Being a Wolves fan , I mean.

I’m all for better owners but I’m not holding my breath.
 
VancouverWolf said:
All we can do is hope…….it’s our lot in life, isn’t it? Being a Wolves fan , I mean.

I’m all for better owners but I’m not holding my breath.
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You just don’t get it. THERE IS NO HOPE.

Jeff has sucked the hope out of the club like the pernicious vampire of life that he is. He then spat it on the floor and covered it with dust.
 
Contrarian said:
I don't assume it. It's just that having been there before, it can't be ruled out as a possibility. Not sure, but I think it's actually more common than it used to be back in the pre-PL days?

What concerns me is the feeling of complacency or apathy that comes out of the club in recent years. Both of those are symptoms of a club that isn't going to return any time soon, not until they are sorted.

I think we need a reset from the top. New owners ideally, though I'm of the idea that a new CEO would be enough to give us a new lease of life. Provided that new CEO had the right expertise and attitude to get working on the club at all levels. Look at a company like Rolls Royce. Drifted along for years, treading water. A new CEO completely transformed them from the worst performing company to the best performer on the FTSE. Of course, it means that CEO has to have excellent judgement in football related business, enablingf them to create the right structure and make the right appointments.

There's 8 billion people on planet earth , 1.5 billion of them in China. Surely there must be someone in that lot who can do a better job than Jeff?
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Shi is there just to deflect attention from the owners.

He’s going nowhere, whilst we throw our heat at him rather than them, Fosun will be pretty content.
 
Alex Rae The Substitute said:
22,000 gates by September, lowest being 19,000 for a Tuesday night when we’re languishing in 15th in March.

We’re going back to day one of when Fosun took over, I feel. Only this time they’re trying a Morgan/ Moxey re-brand of “young and hungry”.

Which I predict is code name for “there is no money for Wolves”.
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I genuinely don't think it'll be that high unless the prices come down, no sane man is paying Fosun's prices for the 2nd tier.
 
Don Gloomshroud said:
You just don’t get it. THERE IS NO HOPE.e

Jeff has sucked the hope out of the club like the pernicious vampire of life that he is. He then spat it on the floor and covered it with dust.
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we shall find hope, where for some, there is none ... usually by Friday night
 
Don Gloomshroud said:
You just don’t get it. THERE IS NO HOPE.

Jeff has sucked the hope out of the club like the pernicious vampire of life that he is. He then spat it on the floor and covered it with dust.
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I hear you but I disagree…..there is still a possibility that we won’t go down. I’m not being delusional as I expect we will drop but maybe Edwards can get us winning enough games.
 
VancouverWolf said:
I hear you but I disagree…..there is still a possibility that we won’t go down. I’m not being delusional as I expect we will drop but maybe Edwards can get us winning enough games.
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We will finish bottom of the table by more than 10 points. We have the worst premier league squad ever assembled, owners who are always trying to cut corners in the transfer market, and a completely unproven manager.
 
Wolf316 said:
And the anti Fosun sentiment will keep fans away as they’ll see relegation as completely the fault of the owners/chairman’s incompetence at running a football club.
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Which it completely is. Fosun haven't had to do much at all to keep the squad, playing staff and club competitive, but won't even do the barest of bare minimum. The most self inflicted relegation ever, just shocked it's taken so long. We'd better hope Edwards can work miracles on a meagre budget next season or we won't be competing next season at all either
 
Why are posters still blaming Covid for our demise. It impacted every ****ing club not just Wolves. We are in the **** because of bull**** Jeff and cheapskate FOSUN.
Until the Chinese version of the Bhattis **** off, we as a club are in free fall.
 
Longford Wolf said:
Why are posters still blaming Covid for our demise. It impacted every ****ing club not just Wolves. We are in the **** because of bull**** Jeff and cheapskate FOSUN.
Until the Chinese version of the Bhattis **** off, we as a club are in free fall.
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Whilst I agree it impacted all clubs, some terribly, and in no way am I Fosun apologist… BUT, I can’t help but feel that we in particular lost huge momentum. We’ll never know how far we’d have gone in the Europa, we’d still almost certainly have lost to the best team in the tournament, but I’d love to have seen a rocking Molineux in the QF.

If Dean doesn’t decide to give that 50:50 ET penalty away at Burnley we’re in Europe for a second season in a row, and the financial advantages that brings.

Every other week a full house singing Nuno’s name, he might have not decided he’d had enough…

In truth we’ll never know - and that is the biggest frustration. Personally, I think if the impact of Covid wasn’t there, our immediate future would be looking slightly rosier than it is now.
 
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