Summer Transfer Window 2022.

[Cornwall Wolf]

Cornwall Wolf liked this post! Does that mean …………

Noòoooooooooooooooo

 

[WolfLing]

Well we are keeping Neves, as I keep reminding the mix.

It’s not a bad shout to sell RAN but don’t think he will go for that much this summer. His value will only go up barring an injury ravaged season or something equally unfortunate. Sell him next year. Don’t quite remember what the sell on clause we will owe Angers is.

But also if that’s where the club needs to get the coin from to re-jig the midfield and add a quality CB and another attacker then I would not be unhappy if that is the case.

Sell Neves next summer and then the ball will have well and truly started rolling.

Angers clause is 50% of the resale value, but we can buy it out for £10m I think.

So if we get anything over £20m, we just just knock £10m off the price.

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538267280353656834

This literally will not happen and is *******s.

We sell him for £45 million and we pay half of it to Angers. So our fee would need to be £90 million for us to receive this fee.

Not happening. Next.

 

[Chris H]

Don’t know if I’ve missed this being posted yet but if not:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538238368890474499

 

[Notsoslimshady]

This literally will not happen and is *******s.

We sell him for £45 million and we pay half of it to Angers. So our fee would need to be £90 million for us to receive this fee.

Not happening. Next.

Pretty sure, as someone else said, that we have an option to buy out the 50% sell on fee for £10m, which can be exercised as we wish. So surely if we were to sell we would just pay the 10m and anything above 20m would be tje profit

 

[MattH]

Pretty sure, as someone else said, that we have an option to buy out the 50% sell on fee for £10m, which can be exercised as we wish. So surely if we were to sell we would just pay the 10m and anything above 20m would be tje profit

Yup. So we'd make about £25m net on him, all things considered. In reality £45m is pretty steep, although maybe existing RAN fans PSG might pay it now they've got Mendes' mate in charge of transfers.

 

[hollo]

Pretty sure, as someone else said, that we have an option to buy out the 50% sell on fee for £10m, which can be exercised as we wish. So surely if we were to sell we would just pay the 10m and anything above 20m would be tje profit

Correct

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Don’t know if I’ve missed this being posted yet but if not:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538238368890474499

Last years Nunes. We were never signing him either..,

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

I really like Ait Nouri but I'd sell him in a heartbeat for that price.
Cucurella is the perfect example of how to buy & sell. I'd like to see more of that from us

 

[Keyser Soze]

This literally will not happen and is *******s.

We sell him for £45 million and we pay half of it to Angers. So our fee would need to be £90 million for us to receive this fee.

Not happening. Next.

It may well be rubbish, but we can just buy out the clause for £10m so we only have to knock that off any potential sale fee, it was a good move last summer knowing what we eventually sell him for would be far higher

 

[sedgwolf1980]

Don’t know if I’ve missed this being posted yet but if not:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538238368890474499

Not good enough for us though, apparently.

 

[woop woop barmy army]

Cornwall Wolf liked this post! Does that mean …………

I thought the same.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

Of all the players in the team what could fetch 30m plus, of which there are probably 3-4 absolute max, RAN is without doubt the easiest to lose.

It’s perverse, but we almost need to start selling a player each year or so, otherwise our whole model just falls down.

 

[Dan G WWFC]

This literally will not happen and is *******s.

We sell him for £45 million and we pay half of it to Angers. So our fee would need to be £90 million for us to receive this fee.

Not happening. Next.

We can buy his sell on out for £10m

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

Ok so we buy a sell out clause for £10 million and he goes for £35 million?

I think we’d be mad to do it.

He could go for double that in a few years.

Just can’t see it.

 

[oldgoldheart]

Explains why Palhinha is no longer needed maybe?!

Keep Neves, sell Ait Nouri!

Ait nouri is really talented. We might regret that

 

[Keyser Soze]

I think RAN is going to be an incredible player, would be a blow to see him leave

But it’s a balance to weigh that up against Neves staying, and us having the funds to then buy Nunes and Palhinha

A RAN sale for £45M leading to a midfield 3 of Neves, Nunes & Palhinha, with Semedo and Jonny first pick wing back (with Bolla and Bueno back up) is worth a second thought

 

[Cornwall Wolf]

Ait Nouri buy out clause is 10m euros .. same as we received for Vinagre ..

 

[Notsoslimshady]

Ok so we buy a sell out clause for £10 million and he goes for £35 million?

I think we’d be mad to do it.

He could go for double that in a few years.

Just can’t see it.

I don't think 35m is good enough to consider it yet. 45m would mske me think about it. Selling him.is not something i particularly want and wpuld like to keep our best players unless they really want to go.

For me, the target is to raise funds by selling players we are maybe moving on from, rather than selling the crown jewels. We did that well with Costa and Cav, and even Doc

As has been possibly shown with Neves; you need the right clubs interested at the right timd sbd willing to pay what you want in order to sell anyone. I'm just as interested to see us get any money at all for Cutrone. If there is genuine interest in Donk i would say thank you and let him go. Sort the Adana situation out and make decisions on a few others.

I hope he is in the team next year unless a big fee is bid

 

[John de Wolf's hairdryer]

Yes but have you seen who their fans are? Nigel Havers, Hugh Grant, Daniel Radcliffe, Keith Chegwin, Des Lynham, Richard Osman, Diddie David Hamilton among other luvvies.

No wonder they are nice to each other. We've got Noddy Holder and half of Led Zepplin.

And Keith Chegwin is dead. Mind you, you'd need to be on life support to follow flipping Fulham!

 

[Nivada]

Really think Neves should stay even if it means we don't have the money to buy that 40 million pound transfer. He's a living club legend who's stuck with us through it all putting in elite performance after elite performance over the course of multiple seasons. I really think he's a hair's width away from being the type of player you name something after.

 

[WolfLing]

Ok so we buy a sell out clause for £10 million and he goes for £35 million?

I think we’d be mad to do it.

He could go for double that in a few years.

Just can’t see it.

Not so sure. The ceiling for specialist fullbacks has tended to be around the £50-60m mark (mainly Man City who have paid that). Think £45m is the most we could possibly get for him as an unfinished article. Maybe £60m tops if he continues his development.

 

[Mark Rankines Lovechild]

I really like RAN. If, however, there is a position where we are well stocked its full back. If we get a silly offer it has to happen.

 

[Stafford]

Is ait nouri really heading for the very top? Really needs to work on his delivery for a wing back.

 

[Mugwump]

Keep Neves
Sign Nunes
Sell Coady

Ruben captain, new contract, move to 4 at the back…?

I think its a bit risky to move on such an influential presence as Coady ( and Moutinho ) when ( hopefully ) we are going to see a bit of a squad revamp. We will need a bit of continuity. Hopefully we keep Ruben and get rid of expendable players like Ronan, Jordao, Cutrone, Traore and Donk who we would miss tbh.

I'd also be very tempted to look at moving on the likes of Giles as well. If we are looking to loan him out now when there is a left wing back spot open i dont see much future for him here. Its not like MGW where he had a glut of players in front of him.

 

[Ewok vs Wolf]

I like ait nouri but for all the promise he doesn't seem to manage a full 90 nevermind 2 games a week

I think he's way off being ready for a team like City. Maybe in a few years time but when Marcal was favoured ahead of him at times that tells you everything

 

[Mugwump]

Two very interesting snippets from Romano:

- City after a new midfielder with their priority being Kalvin Phillips after giving Rodri and new deal.
- They are ready to let Zinchenko leave.

Happy to see Nunes not mentioned and I j kw we have been linked with Zinchenko for a few years now.

I think people get a bit carried away with comments made by the likes of Pep about players. They get asked for opinions and very rarely will they say anything not complimentary. Doesnt mean they will buy them or rate them that highly. Look at Adama for example, the 2 best managers in England say very good things about him, but they dont even go anywhere near him as a signing even at a bargain price.

 

[Mugwump]

I’d put him in and sell pod personally.

I'd sell Podence in a heartbeat. I rate him, but i cant stand his antics and he is pretty injury prone.

 

[Premier Quality]

Adama has played approx. Three times as many minutes on the pitch. So Podence statistically looks the better player per minute.

Adama 6200, podence 3400.

Your maths might be a tad out here mate, that’s less than double, not three times as many

This ain't true chief, pod has a much, much better end product than traore

This was the original discussion - even if you double the numbers, his stats don’t show that he has a much, much better end product than Traore.

Neither of them have good enough end product for a team that relies exclusively on its front three for goals.

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I'd sell Podence in a heartbeat. I rate him, but i cant stand his antics and he is pretty injury prone.

He looks like he’s having fun here!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538265935043239936

 

[Glow69]

Nouri another good find, we sign some good younguns! Hope he stays though for a few more seasons.

 

[Padraig]

He looks like he’s having fun here!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538265935043239936

The apostrophe in that neon sign is really naffing me off

 

[Houston Lobo]

I really like Ait Nouri but I'd sell him in a heartbeat for that price.
Cucurella is the perfect example of how to buy & sell. I'd like to see more of that from us

Yeah, me too. But if (and it’s a big “if”) it’s done correctly. In that reinvestments allow us to make incremental improvements. For example, not one or two in for the amount we recoup, but three or four of a lesser value that have the potential to treble what we pay for them whilst still taking us up a place or two in the league or challenging for a cup.

I can see next off this production line being Neto, and ‘maybe’ Kilman, with Toti and Chiquinhio as possibilities too.

 

[Ian]

Yeah, me too. But if (and it’s a big “if”) it’s done correctly. In that reinvestments allow us to make incremental improvements. For example, not one or two in for the amount we recoup, but three or four of a lesser value that have the potential to treble what we pay for them whilst still taking us up a place or two in the league or challenging for a cup.

I can see next off this production line being Neto, and ‘maybe’ Kilman, with Toti and Chiquinhio as possibilities too.

I imagine if Neto is injury free next season and chips in with a few goals/ assists it will be his last season with us.

Ive thought for awhile Podence would move on this summer, love his creativity and I do think he carries a goal threat but I could imagine he's not really fussed about playing for Wolves.

As mentioned by other's Donk is the kind of utility player a squad like ours needs now a player like Saiss is gone.

I think if a big offer came in for RAN I wouldnt be devasted to lose him , he's expendable in a position we have plenty of cover.

I'd only consider letting Coady go if Neves & Moutinho were both staying and if Neves does stay i'd give him the captaincy.

 

[CologneWolf]

Adama 6200, podence 3400.

Your maths might be a tad out here mate, that’s less than double, not three times as many


This was the original discussion - even if you double the numbers, his stats don’t show that he has a much, much better end product than Traore.

Your earlier post in my opinion is a misrepresentation of the stats. It bothered me enough that I felt the need to check myself and disclose them on a broader scale.

Adama has actually played a total of 7196 minutes for Wolves in the league.

The all important factor in this comparison though is the minutes/goals ratio and or minutes/assists ratio

Premier League Only:

Traore: 123 apps for 7196 mins

7196/8 Goals————7196/13 Assists
899.5mins/Goal———553.5mins/Assist

Podence: 59 Apps for 3447 mins

3447/6 Goals————3447/6 Assists
574.5mins/Goal———574.5mins/Assist

And why not go a step further and factor in all other wolves appearances.

Traore: 154 Apps, 9121 mins, 11 goals and 18 assists

829.1 mins/goal——506.7 mins/assist

Podence: 68 Apps, 3964 mins,10 goals and 8 assists

396.4 mins/goal——495.5 mins/assist

So the stats do show that overall in actual fact, Podence has scored goals for Wolves at near on double the rate of Traore and assists are virtually level. So I’d argue he does have a much much better end product.

 

[AndyWolves]

Adama 6200, podence 3400.

Your maths might be a tad out here mate, that’s less than double, not three times as many


This was the original discussion - even if you double the numbers, his stats don’t show that he has a much, much better end product than Traore.

Neither of them have good enough end product for a team that relies exclusively on its front three for goals.

21/22
Podence 0.45 g+a per 90
Traore 0.07 g+a per 90

20/21
Podence 0.27 g+a per 90
Traore 0.16 g+a per 90

19/20
Podence 0.38 g+a per 90
Traore 0.42 g+a per 90


Podence is comfortably streets ahead, even in Traores best ever season he's ever had, podence was right behind him.

This is all competitions and my source is FBRef.com

Edit. Podence has performed the best out of both of them ever last season, even better than the season traore looked like a world better. He needs some respect on his name imo

 

[Premier Quality]

t’s definitely 6,200 minutes according to transfermrkt in the last three seasons (ie since pod has been at the club) where have you got your numbers from?

And I used premier league numbers as that’s the standard we play at, adding in any goals or assists at a lower standard seems desperate…

Would you say 6 premier league goals and 6 premier league assists in 2.5 years is good end product? Or 7 goals and 12 assists in the same period?

I wouldn’t, personally. Neither are good enough for a team that relies on its front three.

 

[Wolf316]

He looks like he’s having fun here!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1538265935043239936

I’m surprised he didn’t fall over.

 

[Premier Quality]

I’m not going to keep arguing as I always feel it gets incredibly dull and everyone’s position gets entrenched regardless - but pods cup record is good, and distorts his stats. Maybe we should only play him in cups!

In the premier league, pods record is not much, much better than traores. And neither pod nor traores end product is good enough for a team that relies on their front three for goals and assists.

I’d also add that if the argument is that he’s not scored as many because he’s been injured - I don’t think that’s a good thing either, as his. Output when injured is zero, and that doesn’t help the team either…

Incidentally, Chiquinho’s record is an assist every 0.67 games. Maybe we should play him instead of either of them?

I’m off to a football tournament I’d imagine without Wi-Fi, so have a great morning all!

 

[AndyWolves]

I’m not going to keep arguing as I always feel it gets incredibly dull and everyone’s position gets entrenched regardless - but pods cup record is good, and distorts his stats. Maybe we should only play him in cups!

In the premier league, pods record is not much, much better than traores. And neither pod nor traores end product is good enough for a team that relies on their front three for goals and assists.

I’m off to a football tournament I’d imagine without Wi-Fi, so have a great morning all!

Premier League

21/22
Podence 0.30 g+a per 90
Traore 0.07 g+a per 90

20/21
Podence 0.27 g+a per 90
Traore 0.14 g+a per 90

19/20
Podence 0.31 g+a per 90
Traore 0.45 g+a per 90

It's obvious. Last season pod was more than 3 times better, season before 2 times better and the season before that - in Traores best ever season - podence had 2/3 what traore did.

If we can get 19/20 traore back great but I don't think we will.