Small time Jeff strikes again.....

[Wolf316]

Such an impact that they don't want him? He did what Adama always does. Flies out the traps with some great early performances and then fizzles out.

Ultimately this isn't an Adama thread so not the place to debate our clearly different opinions. I respect yours however and will leave it at that.

I simply can't agree to call our owners thick given the trajectory over the last few years. I understand some would like them to put more money in but let's look at Fulham, Villa and Everton in recent years. It doesn't guarantee yet anything.

I would have liked 2 to 3 players for the spine in January and I really think we may have made Europa. Problem is we don't know the timing and constraints and perhaps they were tied up until summer. Hwang seemed an odd deal but perhaps it is reaping us rewards in other areas I.e. recognition in Korea and the timing perhaps eases some financial log jam later. All assumptions for sure but I really do think (or hope?!) there is a plan in place and we just need to wait and see.

They do want him and they’d happily trade Trincao for him they don’t have the cash to pay for him as they have more important targets.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Wow! So much disrespect. The Adama deal was to give him the chance to show how good he apparently is according to some on here and ultimately get us EUR 30m which nobody else would pay in their right mind. Problem is he's crap and now doesn't even have an impact for his dream club. If he was as good as some say we'd be thanking Fosun for getting a large value from an overhyped runner with little end product who didn't want to be here.

Fosun are thick? Check the other thread......we seem to be climbing in stature and financial strength. Won the Championship and 3 top half prem finishes in 4 years with an FA and Europa run thrown in. Yes we need to kick on but give your head a wobble, they are not thick.

Great post and most of us know and have written similar in the past but there’s a some who still believe that he was godlike and it’s all an agenda against him.

 

[wolvesjoe]

Its not like it was even hard to work out what was going to happen, easily predictable from mid-January.

We stayed in the chase for a top 6/4 place until late February, then the cumulative effect of losing Adama, and
injuries to other key players took their toll. Followed by tensions between coach and squad.

The deeper problem here is these opportunities for clubs like Wolves are hard to create in the Premier environment. A lot of different elements have to fall into place, in terms of coach, squad, transfers, youth/age mix, reasonable ambition, etc, etc, for an aspirational club to get to that 6th/7th place to then make the next climb up to the peak group.

I share the general suspicion that Wolves' 5 year upwards cycle may well now be over and a period of rebuilding is required. The only way that could be avoided would be an ambitious and successful summer, in terms of transfers, either a new coach or a revitalisation of Bruno's r'ship with the squad, announcement of stadium devpt, or some combination of those things.

But failing to fully commit to the potential of that remarkable run from September to February looks like terrible leadership by Shi.

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

 

[LosgallardosWolf]

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

 

[Deleted member 8455jwf]

Anyone who thinks Barca were ever paying 30M Euros for Adama with 1 year left on his deal was absolutely sniffing glue. It was aiming to be a swap for Trincao but he is dog**** so we rightly did go for that

 

[Stratman Wolves]

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

Plain as day. Same mistakes that have been going on for 3 years at this rate. At least we got a CB in! lol

 

[wwbug]

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

They will justify it as a short term loss for a long term gain. Next year we will be getting Silva back , and he will be like a new signing.
At zero cost.

 

[JOSWolf]

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

Totally agree.

 

[CodsallWolf]

Are they really going to repeat exactly the same mistakes as six months ago. Let a good player out on loan and then refuse to srengtho a shallow squad sufficiently to compete at top level. ??

Surely just repeating the same mistakes leads to best players leaving??

Wolves' model only we works if challenging for top 6, otherwise not an interesting club.

Remember - a fan’s version of interesting is not on the same page as Jeff’s.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Remember - a fan’s version of interesting is not on the same page as Jeff’s.

And a fans idea of running a multi million pound business might also not be on the same page as Jeff’s.

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

It’s so bad it’s almost embarrasing now. We probably don’t have one fit striker for the first game of the season

You can forgive lack of investment. Etc . But to let Silva go on loan without a replacement is a joke

Probably still have people on here think it’s Bruno’s fault that we don’t win games without a striker or back up midfielder

 

[LosgallardosWolf]

I really really hope I'm wrong but I'm getting the increasing feeling that Fosun are only interested in the "brand" and don't give two shifts about the football club per se.

 

[sillytuna]

The transfer window runs until the end of august and this year's market is a pretty strange and slow one.

As always, have a go at wolves if they don't act rather than over a month before the end of the window.

Jimenez, hwang,traore, pod, and neto can all play that forward role to a point. I'll be unhappy too if we don't bring someone in but goalscorers are hard to find, more so if they expect to be back up to jimenez.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Wolves transfer 'strategy'

Window isn't even open yet.
Season hasn't started yet.
Window hasn't closed yet.
Hard to upgrade the squad.
Don't want to block the path for young talent.
Happy with what we have.

I still think we'll get a stiker in quite soon though, would be mad not to. So just hope we don't get any **** about false 9s.

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

They do want him and they’d happily trade Trincao for him they don’t have the cash to pay for him as they have more important targets.

Yes, sure, that's why they left him sitting on the bench when he was there.

 

[Adrian_Monk]

Wolves transfer 'strategy'

Window isn't even open yet.
Season hasn't started yet.
Window hasn't closed yet.
Hard to upgrade the squad.
Don't want to block the path for young talent.
Happy with what we have.

I still think we'll get a stiker in quite soon though, would be mad not to. So just hope we don't get any **** about false 9s.

You forgot a few steps:

- I've got a feeling today is the day
- Loan players and free agents still open
- Tough market
- I'd like to think we are a club that do things the right way
- We'll look again in January
- Bruno wanted x but we decided Collins was a better option (ignoring any players Bruno wanted who have gone on to light up the premier League)

 

[Wolf316]

Yes, sure, that's why they left him sitting on the bench when he was there.

Behind world class Dembele.

 

[Notsoslimshady]

- Bruno wanted x but we decided Collins was a better option (ignoring any players Bruno wanted who have gone on to light up the premier League)

Genuinely curious; which players did Bruno want that we didn't get who have now lit up the prem?

 

[wolfslair]

And a fans idea of running a multi million pound business might also not be on the same page as Jeff’s.

Sorry Jeff lol

But football is an entertainment business and cannot be run or seen for profit like a normal business.

If you don’t invest in the paying staff and facilities, which fosun seem oblivious to doing and the product and match day experience gets worse, fans don’t spend money, sponsors don’t renew on good values and prize money goes down and that means the club loses money and the asset depreciates.

But as we know Jeff only cares about the transient international fans who follow their national icon, not us local folk who actually give him the atmosphere that is on the tv and buy the shirts that create the awesome see of old gold and away shirts in the stands. He keeps neglecting us local fans his business isn’t going to stay good.

 

[kennyB]

Surely people don't expect Jeff to know much about football, never having played the game at any level? He may well be familiar with boardroom activities but knows less than most mixers about the game itself. Whoever is advising him may well be retricted by Fosun but personally I think we have suffered enough in the transfer market. Occasionally we get a bargain but £35 million on Silva for example shows an awful lack on someone's part of how to use the transfer market. Personally I have no confidence much will change with Fosun.

 

[LosgallardosWolf]

It's not Jeff though is it. It's Fosun. Jeff is just the public face

 

[Flump]

He may well be familiar with boardroom activities but knows less than most mixers about the game itself.

Have you read some of the stuff written on here?!

 

[ewarwoowar]

Wolves transfer 'strategy'

Window isn't even open yet.
Season hasn't started yet.
Window hasn't closed yet.
Hard to upgrade the squad.
Don't want to block the path for young talent.
Happy with what we have.

I still think we'll get a stiker in quite soon though, would be mad not to. So just hope we don't get any **** about false 9s.

yes we have had enough false number 9`s down the years

 

[wolfslair]

Surely people don't expect Jeff to know much about football, never having played the game at any level? He may well be familiar with boardroom activities but knows less than most mixers about the game itself. Whoever is advising him may well be retricted by Fosun but personally I think we have suffered enough in the transfer market. Occasionally we get a bargain but £35 million on Silva for example shows an awful lack on someone's part of how to use the transfer market. Personally I have no confidence much will change with Fosun.

You don’t need to have played the game to be a good owner or know much about football.

Just simply have a passion for the sport and not the money making/brand building potential attached to it.

This is where fosun are now showing a significant lack of passion for the football club, instead showing more interest in “the brand” and the money they can make from Newley created outside sources from a decent starting point of using our history and heritage. They are at real risk of screwing all the hard work and kudos generated from those first few magical seasons.

 

[Mardenboroughs Shoulder]

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

What if I told you insane was working 50 hours a week in some office for 50 years at the end of which they tell you to **** off, ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time?

 

[BlahBlah]

What if I told you insane was working 50 hours a week in some office for 50 years at the end of which they tell you to **** off, ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time?

Bit far-fetched...there's no guarantee anybody will get to a retirement village, wouldn't surprise me if people go back to dropping dead at home in order to "give them back control of their lives'.

 

[wolvesjoe]

Poor management decisions biting back even quicker this time

I really wonder what the players think and how Fosun justify it to themselves.

 

[Perton Wolf]

Him and Sellars are a pair of clowns. How can a Premier League club be left without a CF only 10 days before the season starts?

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

Poor management decisions biting back even quicker this time

I really wonder what the players think and how Fosun justify it to themselves.

Most management decisions have an element of risk to them and some are riskier or more of a gamble than others. However, it does appear that Jeff et al have decided that going to the casino and consistently lumping everything on a single number is the best approach. That and Jeff having run over a black cat, walked under a ladder and broken a mirror means we have absolutely no luck.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Most management decisions have an element of risk to them and some are riskier or more of a gamble than others. However, it does appear that Jeff et al have decided that going to the casino and consistently lumping everything on a single number is the best approach. That and Jeff having run over a black cat, walked under a ladder and broken a mirror means we have absolutely no luck.

To be fair our injury situation isn't that bad.

We have one striker injured, that's quite good. I bet most clubs have one striker injured.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Poor management decisions biting back even quicker this time

I really wonder what the players think and how Fosun justify it to themselves.

That’s a good question……how do the players feel and more importantly, what do they think is the cause?
The last two seasons have seen us play some terrible, boring football and outplayed as if we were a Championship club, many times couldn’t buy a goal …….……the players must have hated it.
So, going into this new season, are they feeling optimistic?

 

[The Clock]

To be fair our injury situation isn't that bad.

We have one striker injured, that's quite good. I bet most clubs have one striker injured.

It would be easy to argue that we don’t have any strikers.
Or at least none that haven’t been left in a damp box somewhere

 

[Irish_Wolf]

The transfer window runs until the end of august and this year's market is a pretty strange and slow one.

As always, have a go at wolves if they don't act rather than over a month before the end of the window.

Jimenez, hwang,traore, pod, and neto can all play that forward role to a point. I'll be unhappy too if we don't bring someone in but goalscorers are hard to find, more so if they expect to be back up to jimenez.

We have 5 league games before the window closes. That's 15 points you can't just take for granted. What decent player would fancy a team who due to injuries are in a relegation place in the league.

For me leaving everything to the end of August is plain and simply bad management. It doesn't matter if others do it, I don't think we should follow the lemmings over the cliff.

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

To be fair our injury situation isn't that bad.

We have one striker injured, that's quite good. I bet most clubs have one striker injured.

It wouldn't be so bad if we had one striker injured but as we only actually have one it's like 100%. of the striker department.

THE ABSOLUTE ****ING MADNESS OF ALLOWING SILVA TO GO BEFORE GETTING A REPLACEMENT SHOULD BE A SACKING OFFENCE.

But considering the complete **** jockey running the club seems to be employed in every single position to save money he'll have to sack himself.

 

[sillytuna]

We have 5 league games before the window closes. That's 15 points you can't just take for granted. What decent player would fancy a team who due to injuries are in a relegation place in the league.

For me leaving everything to the end of August is plain and simply bad management. It doesn't matter if others do it, I don't think we should follow the lemmings over the cliff.

It's been said many times now. Teams don't choose to leave it, it's just often impossible to get things over the line.

I and others have tried to explain this because of our contacts in football. It isn't bad management, isn't following others, it's how transfers work!

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

It wouldn't be so bad if we had one striker injured but as we only actually have one it's like 100%. of the striker department.

THE ABSOLUTE ****ING MADNESS OF ALLOWING SILVA TO GO BEFORE GETTING A REPLACEMENT SHOULD BE A SACKING OFFENCE.

But considering the complete **** jockey running the club seems to be employed in every single position to save money he'll have to sack himself.

Agree entirely, that was my point.

We've got one striker injured, so we shouldn't be pretending we're really unlucky or something. We're not. It's pure incompetence that has put us in this position, not luck.

 

[sillytuna]

Btw not excusing wolves if they don't land a striker or attacking mid by end of august but hwang and jimenez are the two who can play there. It's not ideal and absolutely we should have agreed a signing before letting silva go, but for all we know that's already in the works.

For most clubs they're going to have to wait until late august for transfers. It's really tough for clubs like wolves because we're midtable. Look how hard it is for newcastle even.

Unfortunately we live in a world where patience has disappeared and if you aren't brilliant you must be rubbish. Imagine if your work was like that - if everyone moaned about you for failing long before your deadline and in an environment full of complex externalities, greed, and corruption.

Silva for sure example - that deal may have had a deadline. Silva may have refused to extend his deal otherwise. Lage may have demanded he get a year away after fallings out and behaviour last year. We may have had a deal nearly done or over the line and unannounced. All manner of things go on that we don't know about.

 

[Wolf316]

It's not Jeff though is it. It's Fosun. Jeff is just the public face

Was it Fosun who sent Silva out on loan without a replacement lined up?

 

[Matt]

Btw not excusing wolves if they don't land a striker or attacking mid by end of august but hwang and jimenez are the two who can play there. It's not ideal and absolutely we should have agreed a signing before letting silva go, but for all we know that's already in the works.

For most clubs they're going to have to wait until late august for transfers. It's really tough for clubs like wolves because we're midtable. Look how hard it is for newcastle even.

Unfortunately we live in a world where patience has disappeared and if you aren't brilliant you must be rubbish. Imagine if your work was like that - if everyone moaned about you for failing long before your deadline and in an environment full of complex externalities, greed, and corruption.

Silva for sure example - that deal may have had a deadline. Silva may have refused to extend his deal otherwise. Lage may have demanded he get a year away after fallings out and behaviour last year. We may have had a deal nearly done or over the line and unannounced. All manner of things go on that we don't know about.

It's repeat failures that have put us in such an extreme position though. Last summer was exactly the same, things got dragged out until the end of the window and we ended up signing 1 player in the last week, when Bruno was on record saying we wanted 3 or 4. We then didn't do anything in January either. It's not like this summer is a one-off. We have managed to cut the squad down to a ridiculous level by consistently failing to address it over a number of windows. We have one striker and 3 central midfielders in the first team, it is absolute madness.

 

[sillytuna]

Oh I certainly agree that we're a player or two short, just not that things are as bad as some make out. You'd think the world was ending.

People in football applaud wolves approach fwiw, folks who know a thing or two.

The midfield issue should have been resolved last summer and the forward issue this summer. Hwang was not the answer but wolves seem to think he was.