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The condition that you mentioned sounds bad. Can the blood supply be improved, or the bone healed/ problem cured in a different way?
Typically, you can't improve blood supply as it is a function of anatomy, ie the way that part of the body is structured. Ensuring cardio vascular health can help of course. Not knowledgeable enough to answer the second part.
 

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Without knowing the specifics of the injury is very difficult to say.
What concerns me is that with a bone that has a relatively poor blood supply, you can get something called osteonecrosis where essentially there cells that make bone die and therefore the structure of the bone becomes poor/eventually fails. With the length of the layoff and the repeated visits to the specialist for review it makes me nervous that there is something going on. That being said, it may just be that it has healed well but took a long time.
Bones are generally much better at healing than ligaments. Bones are the only tissue to heal without scarring. When ligaments break/rupture there is a degree of scar tissue that do not possess the physical properties that the original healthy tissue requires. Unfortunately the issue with Jonny’s type of injury is that although ligaments can be repaired/replaced with tendons, the issue still remains that they are fundamentally different tissues, that are specialised for there own job, so it will never be as good as pre-injury. The way to mitigate this as much as possible is joint rehabilitation where to compensate for the loss caused by the damage, all the other joint structures (surrounding muscles etc) are strengthened to compensate.

I hope that is somewhat helpful / or at least vaguely understandable?
Thanks for taking the trouble to explain in detail. I see others 'liked' your reply. I can see the reason why Jonny is out for so long as physios have to do much work on joint rehabilitation to compensate. I really hope he can get his game back to where it was. With Neto, as you say let's hope it has just taken a while to properly heal. I do worry with him esp, if he gets crunched on that knee whether it will hold up? My overall concern with both these players is whether footballers who have had serious injuries are ever the same players they were before their injury? Thanks once again.
 

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Phil Jones at Manure was out for two years with a knee injury too. No idea what Jones, Neto or Jonny's injuries were in a technical way, I just don't want our guys rushed 'this time'. We aren't going to suddenly see Neto hit amazing form this season, look how Podence was viewed by some fans about a year ago after his smaller injuries slowed him down. I'd be happy if Neto, and Jonny, got a few mins here and there and the same with U23's, then come back on fire next season, like Podence.
 

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..and the "expert" home virologists. Amazing how people you've known for years, who struggle with basic addition, had this deep knowledge of virus's they kept secret all along.
I never cease to being amazed at the great wealth of knowledge to be found on the mix.
And that is only slightly tongue in cheek. :grinning:
 

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Phil Jones at Manure was out for two years with a knee injury too. No idea what Jones, Neto or Jonny's injuries were in a technical way, I just don't want our guys rushed 'this time'. We aren't going to suddenly see Neto hit amazing form this season, look how Podence was viewed by some fans about a year ago after his smaller injuries slowed him down. I'd be happy if Neto, and Jonny, got a few mins here and there and the same with U23's, then come back on fire next season, like Podence.
Jones was out due to a facial expression condition. :tongueclosed:
 

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I take it that is tongue in cheek as their posts are better than a load of us making useless speculation about things we know nothing about?

No . No one knows exactly what his injury is except wolves medical team, and he has access to the best treatment in the world.

Therefore any speculative view based on the information we know is fairly pointless IMO.
 

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No . No one knows exactly what his injury is except wolves medical team, and he has access to the best treatment in the world.

Therefore any speculative view based on the information we know is fairly pointless IMO.
On that basis we could delete 90% of the Mix, particularly transfer speculation, views on Jeff and Scott's motivation etc. I and Bob just offered a little factual insight into the structure of a knee, no speculation.
 

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On that basis we could delete 90% of the Mix, particularly transfer speculation, views on Jeff and Scott's motivation etc. I and Bob just offered a little factual insight into the structure of a knee, no speculation.

No because they are views , where as these people post as if it is fact that he is ****ed .
 

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I hope the club take it very slowly with Neto. Being 'fit' and 'match fit' are two very different things and he has had such a serious injury. I would have thought early March might be a realistic date for him to be getting back into things and even then he will only be on the subs bench for a while.
 
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The epidemiologists seem to be more prevalent over the last few years than I've noticed before
 

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I'm not one for wildly extreme sentiments of either positivity or negativity but I really hope Neto comes back strong.

I think the lad has the potential to be one of the best, if not the best (on the planet) of his generation.

Awesome talent - love the guy.
 

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I hope he comes back as good as before. He will absolutely add another dimension to our attack and is 100% perfect for the system and style Bruno wants to play.


Neto Jimenez Podence

What a front 3.
I can hardly wait. And add to that, RAN’s attacking ……he’s getting better and better at getting the ball into the box. I think it was 17 times in the Norwich game. Semedo on the right is also coming on strong …Trincao might take a bit longer.
I’m really looking forward to next season……time for Bruno to finish and watch his players finish this one, and another transfer window.
 

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I'm not one for wildly extreme sentiments of either positivity or negativity but I really hope Neto comes back strong.

I think the lad has the potential to be one of the best, if not the best (on the planet) of his generation.

Awesome talent - love the guy.
He is in the same age range as Haaland and Mbappe, so that’s some company…but he could definitely be in the conversation in time.
That’s a crazy thing to say about someone playing for Wolves.
 

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I can hardly wait. And add to that, RAN’s attacking ……he’s getting better and better at getting the ball into the box. I think it was 17 times in the Norwich game. Semedo on the right is also coming on strong …Trincao might take a bit longer.
I’m really looking forward to next season……time for Bruno to finish and watch his players finish this one, and another transfer window.
It’s going to be beautiful. This, for me, is why it’s ultra important that Jeff gives Bruno the ability to build the base he wants to enable the forward players to really do their thing.
 

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He is in the same age range as Haaland and Mbappe, so that’s some company…but he could definitely be in the conversation in time.
That’s a crazy thing to say about someone playing for Wolves.

As I say I'm not one for getting carried away but I think he is (or was) on the path to being that good.

He's got something that Haarland and Mbappe don't, the likeability factor. He plays with a smile and a cheeky quality.

I'll be gutted if he can't, or his body won't let him, find that gear again. If he does I hope he manages his career properly and doesn't get drawn to the graveyards of many a promising career - Barca and Real.
 

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The epidemiologists seem to be more prevalent over the last few years than I've noticed before
They may only be repeating what they've found online from the relevant experts but it is presumably accurate and certainly adds something to the discussion. Unlike say anti vaxxers who ignore all the experts and go with "a mate of a mate" or "that unknown guy on the Internet from America".
Some background on the general injury of Neto is of value even though we won't know specifics.
 

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He'll be like a new signing.... As will Jonny.... As will the Columbian defender....

Decent transfer window :)
 

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As I say I'm not one for getting carried away but I think he is (or was) on the path to being that good.

He's got something that Haarland and Mbappe don't, the likeability factor. He plays with a smile and a cheeky quality.

I'll be gutted if he can't, or his body won't let him, find that gear again. If he does I hope he manages his career properly and doesn't get drawn to the graveyards of many a promising career - Barca and Real.
Quite agree. You think you’re getting carried away, but things like that thumping volley against Wet Spam, or the humiliation of both Vestegaard and the keeper at Southampton, and you stop to realise those are genuinely world class moments.
 

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I don't believe that Raul will ever be the same after his injury.
Jimenez has not (yet) got back to anywhere near his best which is always the concern when players return from serious injuries. It's always heartening when you any footballer come back after a year or so out. I was pleased to see Phil Jones back but I'll be delighted to see Jonny and Neto return as we need both of them imo. As well as the excitement there will be trepidation watching a Wolves side with Jimenez, Neto and Jonny in it; but perhaps we will have to wait till next season to see all 3 playing full games together again on the pitch?
 

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I don't believe that Raul will ever be the same after his injury.

I'm concerned about it.

In a twitter argument that I allowed to go on for far longer than I should , I had some idiotic Fabio fanboi telling me that Fabio deserves to be starting ahead of Raul in the league now because Fabio's stats (minutes to 'goal contributions' ) LAST SEASON was better than Raul's this season.

I couldn't make the plank see that the data sample wasn't comparable. He had loads of history bragging about Wolves fans blocking him because they couldn't win an argument with him... He ended up blocking me

He was also claiming that Fabio will prove to be better VFM than Raul.

A fully firing Raul is world class on his day. I hope we see him back at it soon.
Because of his age and the timing of the injury I could see him seeing out his career with us. If he can hit the heights again we have a quality, motivated, loyal, elite striker on our hands.
 

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I don't believe that Raul will ever be the same after his injury.
He does have 30 year old legs...might be another reason for his play? He ran his socks off every match and hardly had a break before his injury. Maybe father time is catching up with him, too (besides the injury).
 

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Neto and Jonny are big question marks in terms of whether they can fully recover from serious injury. Another one to Jonny would end his career. Neto is much younger but as a forward any impediment to his pace and manoeuvrability will reduce his effectiveness, The club would be wise in any case to buy another striker this month or in the summer.

Boly another big question mark and Mosquera's injury is taking an awfully long time to heal. Raul is not yet back to his best but even at 75% is a bloody good striker.
 

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Neto and Jonny are big question marks in terms of whether they can fully recover from serious injury. Another one to Jonny would end his career. Neto is much younger but as a forward any impediment to his pace and manoeuvrability will reduce his effectiveness, The club would be wise in any case to buy another striker this month or in the summer.

Boly another big question mark and Mosquera's injury is taking an awfully long time to heal. Raul is not yet back to his best but even at 75% is a bloody good striker.
Think it's unrealistic to expect Neto to reach the level as he was playing previously coming from a long term injury and without pre season, more realistic to expect next pre season where everyone starts at the same point to see if he can come back to the previous level.
 

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Not able to quickly scan all the comments to-date but in case it hasn't been raised before, both players could have, potentially, career ending conditions, and if so insurance of mega proportions may be involved. So, as I see things, the club must do all it can, not only from the playing/player angles, but also legal considerations, and the latter will be the deciding factor iro of time and rehabilitation.
 

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Neto and Jonny are big question marks in terms of whether they can fully recover from serious injury. Another one to Jonny would end his career. Neto is much younger but as a forward any impediment to his pace and manoeuvrability will reduce his effectiveness, The club would be wise in any case to buy another striker this month or in the summer.

Boly another big question mark and Mosquera's injury is taking an awfully long time to heal. Raul is not yet back to his best but even at 75% is a bloody good striker.
I agree with this, but then I am a “glass is half empty person”.

I think Podence’ performance last season when he wasn’t fully fit, compared to now gives us a good indication of how far Neto has to go, and if we all think back and think of players like Kightly and Froggat who all suffered bad injuries and were never the same again (even if the injuries were different).
Hope I am wrong, and my glass becomes full.
 
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