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Pedro Neto

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It is a very bad injury, and one that takes a long time to heal, if ever
Being young strong and an athlete all help,but conversely putting strain on the knee can lead to complications
Every faith the medics will do everything possible to get him back fully fit,but personally i would say next season is best we can hope for
Can someone remind me what his injury was pleased, cracked knee cap?
 

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Can someone remind me what his injury was pleased, cracked knee cap?
Broken patellar so a broken kneecap in other words

It has to heal fully and then return to light training but he’s still in Portugal until the start of January when he will be back on the training pitch

Jonny could be back much sooner than we think
 

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A damaged patella is really complex because of its ability to move and the fact that it is actually an extension of a tendon, though usually referred to as bone.
 

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A damaged patella is really complex because of its ability to move and the fact that it is actually an extension of a tendon, though usually referred to as bone.

.."The patella (kneecap) is a bone which is contained within the quadriceps tendon. Bones contained within tendons are called sesamoids and the patella is the biggest sesamoid in the body."..

 

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.."The patella (kneecap) is a bone which is contained within the quadriceps tendon. Bones contained within tendons are called sesamoids and the patella is the biggest sesamoid in the body."..

I could have told you that!!!
 

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.."The patella (kneecap) is a bone which is contained within the quadriceps tendon. Bones contained within tendons are called sesamoids and the patella is the biggest sesamoid in the body."..

As I said - but thanks for the additional detail.
 

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He was on the pitch with the players at the end (still limping slightly I thought, wearing long green training coat) at Brighton.
 

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Great news he's back, we can't expect anything from him until the start of the next season. He needs to gradually get back to form so as to not force another injury.
 

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He be playing by the end of February at the latest imo

Conservative estimate.

This lad is so driven. He will do everything to be back as soon as he can!

If all goes smoothly, I reckon it could even be the start of February!!
 

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A damaged patella is really complex because of its ability to move and the fact that it is actually an extension of a tendon, though usually referred to as bone.
It is a bone. It’s the largest sesamoid bone in the body (a bone that doesn’t articulate with another). So whilst you are partly correct in the sense it is very closely related to the patella tendon it’s is very much a bone. The difficulty with healing is the fact that it has a relatively poor blood supply.
 

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Good to see him back on the grass. Let's hope his new Mrs likes Wolverhampton as much as the other Portuguese WAGs seem to! ;)

Any game time a bonus this season.
 

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Do people realise there are literally 20 + games in all comps to go? People really don't think he will be playing much this year. 12+ starts wouldn't surprise me at all
Would hope that he’s eased back in rather than risk him breaking down again.
 

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It is a bone. It’s the largest sesamoid bone in the body (a bone that doesn’t articulate with another). So whilst you are partly correct in the sense it is very closely related to the patella tendon it’s is very much a bone. The difficulty with healing is the fact that it has a relatively poor blood supply.
You seem to know something about this? Can I ask if he could have a similar setback as happened to Jonny or once its healed it's as good as new? Thanks
 

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You seem to know something about this? Can I ask if he could have a similar setback as happened to Jonny or once its healed it's as good as new? Thanks
Without knowing the specifics of the injury is very difficult to say.
What concerns me is that with a bone that has a relatively poor blood supply, you can get something called osteonecrosis where essentially there cells that make bone die and therefore the structure of the bone becomes poor/eventually fails. With the length of the layoff and the repeated visits to the specialist for review it makes me nervous that there is something going on. That being said, it may just be that it has healed well but took a long time.
Bones are generally much better at healing than ligaments. Bones are the only tissue to heal without scarring. When ligaments break/rupture there is a degree of scar tissue that do not possess the physical properties that the original healthy tissue requires. Unfortunately the issue with Jonny’s type of injury is that although ligaments can be repaired/replaced with tendons, the issue still remains that they are fundamentally different tissues, that are specialised for there own job, so it will never be as good as pre-injury. The way to mitigate this as much as possible is joint rehabilitation where to compensate for the loss caused by the damage, all the other joint structures (surrounding muscles etc) are strengthened to compensate.

I hope that is somewhat helpful / or at least vaguely understandable?
 

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Without knowing the specifics of the injury is very difficult to say.
What concerns me is that with a bone that has a relatively poor blood supply, you can get something called osteonecrosis where essentially there cells that make bone die and therefore the structure of the bone becomes poor/eventually fails. With the length of the layoff and the repeated visits to the specialist for review it makes me nervous that there is something going on. That being said, it may just be that it has healed well but took a long time.
Bones are generally much better at healing than ligaments. Bones are the only tissue to heal without scarring. When ligaments break/rupture there is a degree of scar tissue that do not possess the physical properties that the original healthy tissue requires. Unfortunately the issue with Jonny’s type of injury is that although ligaments can be repaired/replaced with tendons, the issue still remains that they are fundamentally different tissues, that are specialised for there own job, so it will never be as good as pre-injury. The way to mitigate this as much as possible is joint rehabilitation where to compensate for the loss caused by the damage, all the other joint structures (surrounding muscles etc) are strengthened to compensate.

I hope that is somewhat helpful / or at least vaguely understandable?
The condition that you mentioned sounds bad. Can the blood supply be improved, or the bone healed/ problem cured in a different way?
 
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The condition that you mentioned sounds bad. Can the blood supply be improved, or the bone healed/ problem cured in a different way?
Cricketer David Lawrence had the same or a similar injury that was described at the time as “one of the most gruesome injuries ever in the history of Test cricket.“

David had to have his knee cap wired and was out for 5 years. On his return he suffered a recurrence in the gym and retired.

Was this the same injury or was Neto’s somehow not as bad?
 

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Cricketer David Lawrence had the same or a similar injury that was described at the time as “one of the most gruesome injuries ever in the history of Test cricket.“

David had to have his knee cap wired and was out for 5 years. On his return he suffered a recurrence in the gym and retired.

Was this the same injury or was Neto’s somehow not as bad?
Yeah, I remember that.....I think it was mentioned that his injury was all to do with his bowling action ie landing heavily on his right knee just before delivery.....and he was a big unit.....
 

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**** the obsession with spending numbers.

This is the news of the month for us! Hope recovery continues week for the lad
 

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The condition that you mentioned sounds bad. Can the blood supply be improved, or the bone healed/ problem cured in a different way?
I have to caveat that I’m not an orthopaedic surgeon so please don’t take what I say as gospel. When the avasculr necrosis happens in other parts of the body such as the head of the femur - it’s usually just replaced i.e a hip replacement. I’m not sure if that’s a possibility for a knee cap or not.
 

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hope he still has confidence to twist turn and pace to burn.

hes still young, i have done my knee multiple times, hairline fracture in patella, acl, disclocations, i retired from playing cricket for it (county level/england u15s) i could never do the same level of impact through my knee. So heres hoping the medical specialists and recovery of having a multi million pound club backing him has aided him.
 

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I have to caveat that I’m not an orthopaedic surgeon so please don’t take what I say as gospel. When the avasculr necrosis happens in other parts of the body such as the head of the femur - it’s usually just replaced i.e a hip replacement. I’m not sure if that’s a possibility for a knee cap or not.
Thanks for the reply and let’s hope that hasn’t happened as that doesn’t sound good.
 
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