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The 2 biggies were Fabio and Semedo. But Don't forget they were a monetary swap for Doc and Jota.

Why did we think this transfer window was going to attract big names and big spending?

If we don't sell will we buy?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m
Rayan AIt Nouri 10m
Jose Sa 7m
Yousen Mosquera 5m
Chiquinho 3m
Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m
Sang Bing Jeong 1m
Kayobe 0.5m
Louie Molden FREE
Fabio Silva 35m
Nelson Semedo 28m
Hoever 9m
Marcal 1.8m
Toti 900k
Matija Sarkic FREE
 

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But which ones are worth more now, or might be in the future?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m - about £10m, but with a good season in the prem (c12 goals) then £20m

Rayan AIt Nouri 10m - going right to the very top, got to be worth £20m now and another good season a genuine £30m player at his age.

Jose Sa 7m - statistically the best keeper in the prem isn't he? That must mean at least £25m now?

Yousen Mosquera 5m - no idea on this one. Looked a bit raw in the u23's. But he could be a £3m championship player or a superstar in 3 years.

Chiquinho 3m - I think he looks excellent. Right attitude makes things happen but a bit of an unknown quantity still. If he can maintain his impact over a season you have another £20m player in the making.

Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m - got to be at least a £3m championship player. Bit disappointed he didn't get a loan in this country, would have increased his value.

Sang Bing Jeong 1m - a real punt this one. Never to be seen probably.

Kayobe 0.5m - another one never to be seen then flipped for a few hundred grand profit.

Louie Molden FREE - might make it, but slow burn.

Fabio Silva 35m - never ever getting close to money back, if he doesn't get 10 goals this season you will never see more than £20m.

Nelson Semedo 28m - a better defender than when he came which is not saying much because he was a shocking defender. I am not a fan. £20m tops.

Hoever 9m - another flop. £5m if lucky

Marcal 1.8m - nothing

Toti 900k - the making of a good Premier league player, a good season and you are looking at £10m, a couple of good seasons and he is a £20m player.

Matija Sarkic FREE - we know he is very good championship player so £3m would be easy on.

I have not tried to add this up because lets face it my figures are pure speculation, but it would not take many to come good to make up for Hoever, Hwang, and Silva - and even they may prove me wrong and I hope they do.
 

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because that total is probably more than the previous 15 years

So you compare 4 years in the PL with championship and League 1 football?

The statement was why would things change compared to the last 15 transfers we made?
 

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But which ones are worth more now, or might be in the future?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m - about £10m, but with a good season in the prem (c12 goals) then £20m

Rayan AIt Nouri 10m - going right to the very top, got to be worth £20m now and another good season a genuine £30m player at his age.

Jose Sa 7m - statistically the best keeper in the prem isn't he? That must mean at least £25m now?

Yousen Mosquera 5m - no idea on this one. Looked a bit raw in the u23's. But he could be a £3m championship player or a superstar in 3 years.

Chiquinho 3m - I think he looks excellent. Right attitude makes things happen but a bit of an unknown quantity still. If he can maintain his impact over a season you have another £20m player in the making.

Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m - got to be at least a £3m championship player. Bit disappointed he didn't get a loan in this country, would have increased his value.

Sang Bing Jeong 1m - a real punt this one. Never to be seen probably.

Kayobe 0.5m - another one never to be seen then flipped for a few hundred grand profit.

Louie Molden FREE - might make it, but slow burn.

Fabio Silva 35m - never ever getting close to money back, if he doesn't get 10 goals this season you will never see more than £20m.

Nelson Semedo 28m - a better defender than when he came which is not saying much because he was a shocking defender. I am not a fan. £20m tops.

Hoever 9m - another flop. £5m if lucky

Marcal 1.8m - nothing

Toti 900k - the making of a good Premier league player, a good season and you are looking at £10m, a couple of good seasons and he is a £20m player.

Matija Sarkic FREE - we know he is very good championship player so £3m would be easy on.

I have not tried to add this up because lets face it my figures are pure speculation, but it would not take many to come good to make up for Hoever, Hwang, and Silva - and even they may prove me wrong and I hope they do.

So is that the main aim? Buy players who could increase in value?

Or build a team that can win things?

The last 15 transfers back up what you say and what Jeff says. Become a self sufficient club.

Thats fine but we have all had another ST price hike.

About time we saw a bit of investment from Fosun as this looks liek another sell before we buy window.
 

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Is this what we want out of football simply buying players to sell on for more money later. I can remember when we bought players we thought were better than what we had to improve the team to try and get higher up the table.

But that was pre Poundshop Jeff and his merry band of incompetents.
 

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Is this what we want out of football simply buying players to sell on for more money later. I can remember when we bought players we thought were better than what we had to improve the team to try and get higher up the table.

But that was pre Poundshop Jeff and his merry band of incompetents.

This 1000%
 

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Is this what we want out of football simply buying players to sell on for more money later. I can remember when we bought players we thought were better than what we had to improve the team to try and get higher up the table.

But that was pre Poundshop Jeff and his merry band of incompetents.
Unfortunately it is where we as a club stand and imo is unsustainable. Because as it stands in 6 yrs we have only uncovered 1 gem in jota that has made serious money folk will point to rafa mir but I can point to cutrone. Our next gem neves we cant sell as nobody wants him at the prices quoted.
And then there is the delusion that Nunes is signing. Absolutely no chance of that.
 

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The 2 biggies were Fabio and Semedo. But Don't forget they were a monetary swap for Doc and Jota.

Why did we think this transfer window was going to attract big names and big spending?

If we don't sell will we buy?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m
Rayan AIt Nouri 10m
Jose Sa 7m
Yousen Mosquera 5m
Chiquinho 3m
Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m
Sang Bing Jeong 1m
Kayobe 0.5m
Louie Molden FREE
Fabio Silva 35m
Nelson Semedo 28m
Hoever 9m
Marcal 1.8m
Toti 900k
Matija Sarkic FREE
Sa , RAN, Semedo, very good buys, cost £45 million.
The rest have a lot to prove. cost £73 million !!!
 

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Unfortunately it is where we as a club stand and imo is unsustainable. Because as it stands in 6 yrs we have only uncovered 1 gem in jota that has made serious money folk will point to rafa mir but I can point to cutrone. Our next gem neves we cant sell as nobody wants him at the prices quoted.
And then there is the delusion that Nunes is signing. Absolutely no chance of that.
I think we struck a bit lucky with Jota.
I wouldn't imagine him scoring that many goals outside of a Man City or Liverpool team.
 

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Is this what we want out of football simply buying players to sell on for more money later. I can remember when we bought players we thought were better than what we had to improve the team to try and get higher up the table.

But that was pre Poundshop Jeff and his merry band of incompetents.

I do understand this sort of view. I have to admit I would love to see Newcastle style level of investment, but that comes with its own problems doesn't it. The human rights records of Middle East (and China) and the pure commercialism of the Americans. Where do we find some one to do what we want for very little return?

To build a 45k ground is going to cost the best part of £40m - that still puts you miles behind the big six and Newcastle (and Everton and Vila when they get their new/extended grounds)

Then there is the new wage cap at 70% of turnover. Buying players better than we have is just not that easy. I thought Cutrone was an excellent signing. International, young, scored goals in a tough league, played for a big club - but it's just not worked. Look at the crap Everton have brought.

To be certain of closing the gap someone would have to be willing and able to spend the maximum the rules allowed every year for a decade (plus build a new ground and training ground) - a billion quid might (if allowed to spend it) might give you a chance.

Don't get me wrong I do think Fosun could afford to put in £30m a year without any problem, but they are not fans they are business people (possibly held back by geopolitics).

I don't think it's fair to call them incompetent, I don't think for a minute they are. My guess is Jeff's is one smart cookie.

What is fair to say is you don't like their strategy and would prefer someone like Sir Jack but with Bill Gates wealth to suddenly decide he has a spare billion to **** up the wall. Great I would love it too, but that looks unlikely so Jeff is trying something else, it might just work over time or it might not but that's where we are.
 

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If anyone seriously thinks we might get £40m combined one day for Hwang and Toti then I'd love a pint of the delusion ****tail
 

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If anyone seriously thinks we might get £40m combined one day for Hwang and Toti then I'd love a pint of the delusion ****tail

If Hwang got 12 goals in the prem next season would you sell him for less than 20m?

He looked good before his back injury, then his confidence was shot and looked ****. But with better players around him its not out of the question he could hit double figures.

As for Toti if he keeps up the same standard he played in the few games he played then £10m is not out of the question either if he does a season as a regular starter.
 

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If Hwang got 12 goals in the prem next season would you sell him for less than 20m?

He looked good before his back injury, then his confidence was shot and looked ****. But with better players around him its not out of the question he could hit double figures.

As for Toti if he keeps up the same standard he played in the few games he played then £10m is not out of the question either if he does a season as a regular starter.
If he reads the Mix his confidence is sure to be sky high next season.
 

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If anyone seriously thinks we might get £40m combined one day for Hwang and Toti then I'd love a pint of the delusion ****tail
Stopped reading after that first line on Hwang.

In fact, it’s ruined my weekend just reminding me we have spent best part of 80m on him, Silva and Semedo. Meanwhile we have Coady at the back and Luke Cundle as our back up midfielder.
 
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Is this what we want out of football simply buying players to sell on for more money later. I can remember when we bought players we thought were better than what we had to improve the team to try and get higher up the table.

But that was pre Poundshop Jeff and his merry band of incompetents.
The game of football now is to make money, not be entertained and try to win stuff silly.
 
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Is the point of this thread the 2 big names were replacements and we've signed alot of young players?
 

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But which ones are worth more now, or might be in the future?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m - about £10m, but with a good season in the prem (c12 goals) then £20m

Rayan AIt Nouri 10m - going right to the very top, got to be worth £20m now and another good season a genuine £30m player at his age.

Jose Sa 7m - statistically the best keeper in the prem isn't he? That must mean at least £25m now?

Yousen Mosquera 5m - no idea on this one. Looked a bit raw in the u23's. But he could be a £3m championship player or a superstar in 3 years.

Chiquinho 3m - I think he looks excellent. Right attitude makes things happen but a bit of an unknown quantity still. If he can maintain his impact over a season you have another £20m player in the making.

Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m - got to be at least a £3m championship player. Bit disappointed he didn't get a loan in this country, would have increased his value.

Sang Bing Jeong 1m - a real punt this one. Never to be seen probably.

Kayobe 0.5m - another one never to be seen then flipped for a few hundred grand profit.

Louie Molden FREE - might make it, but slow burn.

Fabio Silva 35m - never ever getting close to money back, if he doesn't get 10 goals this season you will never see more than £20m.

Nelson Semedo 28m - a better defender than when he came which is not saying much because he was a shocking defender. I am not a fan. £20m tops.

Hoever 9m - another flop. £5m if lucky

Marcal 1.8m - nothing

Toti 900k - the making of a good Premier league player, a good season and you are looking at £10m, a couple of good seasons and he is a £20m player.

Matija Sarkic FREE - we know he is very good championship player so £3m would be easy on.

I have not tried to add this up because lets face it my figures are pure speculation, but it would not take many to come good to make up for Hoever, Hwang, and Silva - and even they may prove me wrong and I hope they do.
Hwang 12 goals . You’ve been watching a different player . He isn’t worth 2 million let alone 20

Silva, Semedo, hoever, marcal, all decrease in value - as will traore when he goes on a free

Considering this is the strategy, they are woeful at picking players - hardly surprising when Jeff makes the signings

We could have doubled our money on vitinha this season alone ….
 

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Trying to operate a Sevilla style self sufficient model with recruitment that is about as effective as Everton's is always going to be a struggle I'm afraid.

When Fosun have gone, I've no doubt that the Summer of Silva and Semedo will be seen as a key turning point. That was our sliding doors moment.
 

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£87 Million on Hwang, Semedo, Silva and Hoever.

Whoever orchestrated this shambles must surely be for the chop.

TBF if I was the head of Fosun I think I'd be telling Wolves not to spend anymore on players. We'll be lucky to £30 mill back for the lot of them. Thats before the wages we must be paying them. Semedo the only exception as he's has been a pretty constant performer.
 

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So is that the main aim? Buy players who could increase in value?

Or build a team that can win things?

The last 15 transfers back up what you say and what Jeff says. Become a self sufficient club.

Thats fine but we have all had another ST price hike.

About time we saw a bit of investment from Fosun as this looks liek another sell before we buy window.

You know we were brought by an investment company right?

Bought us for 30m probably worth over 200m now.... they must be doing something right.
I dont particularly agree with their philosophy ( invest in young unknowns and hope they increase in value) I'm a bit old school and like my teams to try and win a trophy or two but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.
 

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You know we were brought by an investment company right?

Bought us for 30m probably worth over 200m now.... they must be doing something right.
I dont particularly agree with their philosophy ( invest in young unknowns and hope they increase in value) I'm a bit old school and like my teams to try and win a trophy or two but thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

And you except this?

So your argument is Fosun are hear you make money and not win things as they are an investment company.

Yet you say support wolves to win things?

So these ticket price increases aren’t to win things but to help Fosun to get a return on their money.
 

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And you except this?

So your argument is Fosun are hear you make money and not win things as they are an investment company.

Yet you say support wolves to win things?

So these ticket price increases aren’t to win things but to help Fosun to get a return on their money.
I support Wolves regardless of their success. However, I’ll take issue with the ‘win things’.
In the last 15 years, there has been no domestic winners outside of the ‘big 6’ except;
EFL Cup: Birmingham (2011) Swansea (2013)

F.A Cup: Portsmouth (2008) Wigan (2013), Leicester (2021)

Premier League: Leicester (2016)

Out of those winners, there is only Leicester that isn’t currently a financial basket case.

So, if it’s alright with everyone, I’d rather we continue to be run with financial prudence and, stay competitive with a freak chance of winning something, than **** all our money up a tree in vain desperation.
 

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I do understand this sort of view. I have to admit I would love to see Newcastle style level of investment, but that comes with its own problems doesn't it. The human rights records of Middle East (and China) and the pure commercialism of the Americans. Where do we find some one to do what we want for very little return?

To build a 45k ground is going to cost the best part of £40m - that still puts you miles behind the big six and Newcastle (and Everton and Vila when they get their new/extended grounds)

Then there is the new wage cap at 70% of turnover. Buying players better than we have is just not that easy. I thought Cutrone was an excellent signing. International, young, scored goals in a tough league, played for a big club - but it's just not worked. Look at the crap Everton have brought.

To be certain of closing the gap someone would have to be willing and able to spend the maximum the rules allowed every year for a decade (plus build a new ground and training ground) - a billion quid might (if allowed to spend it) might give you a chance.

Don't get me wrong I do think Fosun could afford to put in £30m a year without any problem, but they are not fans they are business people (possibly held back by geopolitics).

I don't think it's fair to call them incompetent, I don't think for a minute they are. My guess is Jeff's is one smart cookie.

What is fair to say is you don't like their strategy and would prefer someone like Sir Jack but with Bill Gates wealth to suddenly decide he has a spare billion to **** up the wall. Great I would love it too, but that looks unlikely so Jeff is trying something else, it might just work over time or it might not but that's where we are.

This window will show their level of competence imo. They are an investment company who have given us this sell to buy model. The big flaw in it is we arent investing in talent. Sometimes you have to spend the money first to reap the rewards. If we cant sign anyone until we sell players, we are totally screwed because right now we have somebody like Adama who we dont want anymore, but neither does anyone else. Even the club we loaned him too cried poor that they couldnt afford him but then try to sign Raphina for almost double the Adama fee. The market seems dead for a midfielder like Neves so we are stuffed there. Our two assests we wanted to sell we cant shift.

If we are getting left behind now with the likes of Brentford and Forest their strategy is being smashed to bits. If they were smart, they would surely know what they are doing now isnt sustainable unless they invest in quality, young talent, not crap like Kawabe, Hwang and Sang. They would have found a much more cost effective Doc replacement than Semedo, and they wouldnt have even looked at a player like Silva for that money unless he was already tearing up the Portuguese league.
 

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This window will show their level of competence imo. They are an investment company who have given us this sell to buy model. The big flaw in it is we arent investing in talent. Sometimes you have to spend the money first to reap the rewards. If we cant sign anyone until we sell players, we are totally screwed because right now we have somebody like Adama who we dont want anymore, but neither does anyone else. Even the club we loaned him too cried poor that they couldnt afford him but then try to sign Raphina for almost double the Adama fee. The market seems dead for a midfielder like Neves so we are stuffed there. Our two assests we wanted to sell we cant shift.

If we are getting left behind now with the likes of Brentford and Forest their strategy is being smashed to bits. If they were smart, they would surely know what they are doing now isnt sustainable unless they invest in quality, young talent, not crap like Kawabe, Hwang and Sang. They would have found a much more cost effective Doc replacement than Semedo, and they wouldnt have even looked at a player like Silva for that money unless he was already tearing up the Portuguese league.
I agree with this.
Overall one could question if Fosun is taking proper care of their investment called WWFC?
They will be looking for selling the club sooner or later,but the value of the club will be lesser if we get weaker on the pitch.
At this moment,Fosun seems like a landlord not taking proper care of the house he is renting out.
An investment needs some permanent TLC to be able to reach it´s full potential.
Fosun just ain´t doing that.

Furthermore..there is clear neglect concerning the selling value of our players.Saiss for free,Adama with just one year left and so on.
I fear nothing will be done concerning the contract of Ruben Neves either.
It is basically throwing money away for nothing as I see it.

I am of the opinion we need a new owner of the club.
 

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The 2 biggies were Fabio and Semedo. But Don't forget they were a monetary swap for Doc and Jota.

Why did we think this transfer window was going to attract big names and big spending?

If we don't sell will we buy?

Hee Chan Hwang 15m
Rayan AIt Nouri 10m
Jose Sa 7m

Yousen Mosquera 5m
Chiquinho 3m
Bendeguz Bolla 1.8m
Sang Bing Jeong 1m
Kayobe 0.5m
Louie Molden FREE
Fabio Silva 35m
Nelson Semedo 28m
Hoever 9m
Marcal 1.8m
Toti 900k
Matija Sarkic FREE
For about 6 transfer windows we have longed for improvements to the team.

In bold is the two improvements on the 11 imo.
 
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