Lets discuss Fabio and his future .

[wolfslair]

If Fabio comes good at his next club, feel free to rub my face in it. But I'm sorry, it's enough now. I wish him the best.

He will have a good chance in a weaker continental league like Greece/Holland/Portugal.

It doesn’t mean we were wrong to let him go. Look how few forward players come from those leagues and deliver in the prem. Anthony at United is a fantastic recent example of this.

The prem is a massive step up, a step too far for many talented players. It isn’t a slight to not be “good enough” for the prem, the pace and physicality required isn’t for every one.

 

[Muscat]

He scored in multiple games when he first signed mate. Then popped his hammy.

He has 17 goal involvements in less than 75 appearances and that is with multiple injuries breaking up consistency and the chance to gain form.

He has been our most accurate striker of a ball for a while stastically.

lost season, he was on the end of a few very good saves last season from his shots which kept his tally lower. So he was always likely to have a “change in fortunes” in regards to the ball going in and him getting more goals at some point as he gets into more goal scoring positions than Fabio. Part of that is hwang is far better than Fabio at getting away from defenders in the box or even putting himself in the “lost art” much under appreciated position for the simple tap in.

So with a run of no injuries, his goal scoring run is of little suprise.

Fabio doesn’t have many of any shots in his cameos, so the chances of him doing what hwang has done is slim.

Sorry this is total revisionism. He was terrible for ages even in good runs in the team when fit. His performance away at Liverpool on the final day was one of the worst in the history of the club.

Notwithstanding the fact that in his last season at Leipzig he scored 0 in 18 games/400 minutes.

 

[brianm]

For what it's worth, the quote in the piece is in the context of GON saying we need a number 9. As in we are obviously not set there.

Frankly, I imagine GON will be pretty annoyed about having to deal with the fallout of this. Fabio is still a Wolves player. He's still in the dressing room. This will cause at least a ripple....no way the player doesn't hear about it.

 

[wolfslair]

Sorry this is total revisionism. He was terrible for ages even in good runs in the team when fit. His performance away at Liverpool on the final day was one of the worst in the history of the club.

Notwithstanding the fact that in his last season at Leipzig he scored 0 in 18 games/400 minutes.

Not for me it isn’t……

Bar his brain fade against Newcastle, he has been our most accurate striker.

He is a guy who is about pace and power, he has had hamstring issues that will hurt him and stop him playing at his best. He has shaken those off and now with fitness coming back he is looking good.

Also….. he had a nasty case covid and long covid effects in his last season

 

[Timberwolf]

I personally find it hard to believe our coaches have said that even if they don't think Fabio is good enough. But clearly from last season we know he is at a level where he could become a good player, so it's their job to make that happen, or find a pathway for him so it can - I'd favour another loan, we have plenty of time in terms of age and contract.

As far as I’m aware, they haven’t. I’ve known people behind the scenes at Wolves for years. I’m not in the know as they’re generally not people to gossip. However, when the subject of Fabio came up in conversation, GON quite likes the kid and the money we paid is irrelevant to him. I have heard they’re concerned about his ability to cope mentally (my words from what they’ve said) as him crying really took them by surprise. So my take from all that wasn’t that they don’t think he isn’t good enough, more that they want to prepare him better for the pressures of Premier League football.

 

[Muscat]

Not for me it isn’t……

Bar his brain fade against Newcastle, he has been our most accurate striker.

He is a guy who is about pace and power, he has had hamstring issues that will hurt him and stop him playing at his best. He has shaken those off and now with fitness coming back he is looking good.

Also….. he had a nasty case covid and long covid effects in his last season

I'm sorry, but it is.

He played in our last 16 games of 21/22 and our first and 17 of 21 at the start of 22/23, missing one game through injury. That was a full season of games, pretty much, fully fit and he scored once.

 

[wolfslair]

I'm sorry, but it is.

He played in our last 16 games of 21/22 and our first and 17 of 21 at the start of 22/23, missing one game through injury. That was a full season of games, pretty much, fully fit and he scored once.

But look at his shot accuracy…… a keeper can stop you scoring…..

 

[Muscat]

But look at his shot accuracy…… a keeper can stop you scoring…..

Hwangs shot accuracy is 32%, Fabio's is 52%. Fabio also has a better shots per 90 and xG per 90 than Hwang.

This is not me arguing that he is better than Hwang or will be a PL player, just pointing out how crazy and frankly weird it'd be for our coaches to be arguing a 21yo striker has had enough chances after 260 minutes of game time.

 

[wolfslair]

Hwangs shot accuracy is 32%, Fabio's is 52%. Fabio also has a better shots per 90 and xG per 90 than Hwang.

This is not me arguing that he is better than Hwang or will be a PL player, just pointing out how crazy and frankly weird it'd be for our coaches to be arguing a 21yo striker has had enough chances after 260 minutes of game time.

Fabio has shown next to nothing this season apart from lots of hugs against Ipswich…….

He sadly isn’t showing any intent to be an attacking threat in his games

 

[old wittonian]

Sorry this is total revisionism. He was terrible for ages even in good runs in the team when fit. His performance away at Liverpool on the final day was one of the worst in the history of the club.

Notwithstanding the fact that in his last season at Leipzig he scored 0 in 18 games/400 minutes.

I'm more interested in the here and now.

 

[Contrarian]

Yes, but maybe at least sub him more often.
And we know how long it took before Hwang started scoring regularly.

Yeah, and he was having a lot of sub appearances after injury & form loss. Became a bit of a super sub in the second half of last season, didn't he? I just don't see why anybody is keen to shoe horn a player on to the pitch that we really haven't needed all season and hasn't done anything (positive) in the time he has had.

 

[Dan G WWFC]

Id be straight on the phone to Ajax, Basel and Lyon who are all doing absolutely dreadful this year. See what they’ll pay for him. Demand 50% off his sell on and try and get as much as we can. Invest in somebody that might actually score a goal at this level

 

[Contrarian]

Sorry this is total revisionism. He was terrible for ages even in good runs in the team when fit. His performance away at Liverpool on the final day was one of the worst in the history of the club.

Notwithstanding the fact that in his last season at Leipzig he scored 0 in 18 games/400 minutes.

Yes , and then he got dropped to the bench when he was off form. Was not given match after match *ahead* of other players who were scoring. That is what some seem to be asking we do for Fabio. Is it a desparate attempt to get at least some return on the huge outlay? Maybe if he scores one or two, can add a few million on to his value?

Some of Fabios early performances - and some of his recent ones too - have been embarrasingly poor, no better than Hwangs worst. "He looks out of his depth, so lets keep playing him till he doesn't" - where's the sense in that? Unless injury etc forces it, the team selection should be based on performances and his put him at around 6th in line for a forward position.

 

[wwbug]

It’s the best league in the world, there’s no room for letting players develop, you have to play your best team and play at 100% to win football matches and he’s not close to that at the moment.

Your levels drop even slightly and you lose.

I find the attitude of the club and a few fans very very odd. This is not a nursery .
In the days of Mike Bailey , a young John Richards , a young Alan Sunderland a young Steve Kindon and all , would not have been given three years of drawing blanks to develop in the fulcrum of First Division football. No way. Its ridiculous to have given him No 9 this season. Crazy !

 

[Muscat]

Yes , and then he got dropped to the bench when he was off form. Was not given match after match *ahead* of other players who were scoring. That is what some seem to be asking we do for Fabio. Is it a desparate attempt to get at least some return on the huge outlay? Maybe if he scores one or two, can add a few million on to his value?

Some of Fabios early performances - and some of his recent ones too - have been embarrasingly poor, no better than Hwangs worst. "He looks out of his depth, so lets keep playing him till he doesn't" - where's the sense in that? Unless injury etc forces it, the team selection should be based on performances and his put him at around 6th in line for a forward position.

I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that Fabio should be starting games now.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

If we can get 20m or a decent player in exchange for fabio it’s probably for the best he’s moved on

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

If we can get 20m or a decent player in exchange for fabio it’s probably for the best he’s moved on

£20m !!! Nobody would pay half that, Silva will never make it as he's never had it and never will.

 

[sedgwolf1980]

Such a bizarre signing all round. Still not really sure what his supposed key attributes are/were.

Not his fault, but at the same time I do wonder how much more he could have done himself too. Doesn’t seem emotionally ready for this level, let alone physically.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

£20m !!! Nobody would pay half that, Silva will never make it as he's never had it and never will.

Mendes could help move him to Saudi with some luck…

 

[jonesy]

We were sold a pup

I just can’t see it but with any young footballer you hope your wrong

 

[Wolf in Kenilworth]

He needs to move on for the sake of his career and probably mental health too.

 

[Wagstaffe Was Magic]

….. and probably mental health too.

And ours !!

 

[Wednesbury Wolf]

Mendes could help move him to Saudi with some luck…

They wouldn't touch him he's lower chump standard at best.

 

[Bognor_Wolf]

Been a fan of Silva and especially wanted him to come in this season and play a big part in the side after two decent loans away.. Got to say I got this one wrong think it quite obvious now it won't work out here and think the Premier League is a league he just isn't cut out for way to quick and physical for him.

I actually think he tries to hard at times as mad as that sounds he keeps trying to do things at a million miles an hour and loses the ball when if he just relaxed a bit and played it simple it would work out better for him...

For all the talk about after the Sheff Utd game about him I do feel the Ipswich one really showed he wasn't cut out for it here when he spent most the time on the pitch wanting to be pally with opposition thought that was a bit odd to be honest (not the only game either) and showed maybe a lack of fight which a team like us needs up top!

I will wish him well if/when he leaves and still think there is a potential to be a good player I just don't think we will see it over here..

 

[QB Wolf]

Been a fan of Silva and especially wanted him to come in this season and play a big part in the side after two decent loans away.. Got to say I got this one wrong think it quite obvious now it won't work out here and think the Premier League is a league he just isn't cut out for way to quick and physical for him.

I actually think he tries to hard at times as mad as that sounds he keeps trying to do things at a million miles an hour and loses the ball when if he just relaxed a bit and played it simple it would work out better for him...

For all the talk about after the Sheff Utd game about him I do feel the Ipswich one really showed he wasn't cut out for it here when he spent most the time on the pitch wanting to be pally with opposition thought that was a bit odd to be honest (not the only game either) and showed maybe a lack of fight which a team like us needs up top!

I will wish him well if/when he leaves and still think there is a potential to be a good player I just don't think we will see it over here..

He had some good games as an 18 year old and there’s definitely a player there, but his behaviour in the Ipswich game and the Sheffield Utd game were a little bit bizarre tbh!

The hugging was just mad, makes you wonder if he was spoken too and then went too far the other way.

Feel so frustrated for him.

 

[Bognor_Wolf]

He had some good games as an 18 year old and there’s definitely a player there, but his behaviour in the Ipswich game and the Sheffield Utd game were a little bit bizarre tbh!

The hugging was just mad, makes you wonder if he was spoken too and then went too far the other way.

Feel so frustrated for him.

Yeah giving that free kick away as soon as he came on suggested that didn't it!

 

[theweave]

Get him a championship loan, if he does well we'll get a good fee. A loan to Belgium etc even if he does well you'll never get much

 

[WalsallWolf]

He isn't good enough and I don't particularly enjoy saying it. But he isn't good enough. I'm sick of hearing the word potential as a defence for him. I am convinced some would still tout that word for him when he is 32, coming back from a season on loan scoring 13 in a Dutch or Belgium league.

His main weakness is his mentality. He just doesn't have the minerals to play at a level as high as this. That is something you can't teach either.

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Whatever Fabio's merits or lack thereof, this is an atrocious line to have appeared in publication. He's a young player low on confidence and obviously under pressure, but even if the plan is to sell him on in January that's still two months away, and until then he's part of the matchday squad and is only an injury or two away from being on the cusp of the starting XI. The last thing that needs to be written is that the club itself have allegedly decided he's a dud.

A huge misstep from Johnny Phillips or whoever at the club fed him this, grenading a player for no other reason than clicks and gossip is shameful.

 

[wwbug]

A lot of posters have said there is/was a player in there .
I have never seen that. So can someone say what they did see in him at any stage in the last three years. In any particular match or run of matches.
Be it close ball control, positioning, pace, aggression , intelligence. Be kind , how would you "sell " him to another club ?

 

[QB Wolf]

Whatever Fabio's merits or lack thereof, this is an atrocious line to have appeared in publication. He's a young player low on confidence and obviously under pressure, but even if the plan is to sell him on in January that's still two months away, and until then he's part of the matchday squad and is only an injury or two away from being on the cusp of the starting XI. The last thing that needs to be written is that the club itself have allegedly decided he's a dud.

A huge misstep from Johnny Phillips or whoever at the club fed him this, grenading a player for no other reason than clicks and gossip is shameful.

Or he could use it to spur him on, to say stuff you, I’ll show you who’s not good enough, it’s his choice on how to respond!

 

[QB Wolf]

A lot of posters have said there is/was a player in there .
I have never seen that. So can someone say what they did see in him at any stage in the last three years. In any particular match or run of matches.
Be it close ball control, positioning, pace, aggression , intelligence. Be kind , how would you "sell " him to another club ?

He’s got a good touch, he runs the channels well, he finds space in the box, he can finish.

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Get him a championship loan, if he does well we'll get a good fee. A loan to Belgium etc even if he does well you'll never get much

He’s a la liga type player isn’t he

 

[wwbug]

Whatever Fabio's merits or lack thereof, this is an atrocious line to have appeared in publication. He's a young player low on confidence and obviously under pressure, but even if the plan is to sell him on in January that's still two months away, and until then he's part of the matchday squad and is only an injury or two away from being on the cusp of the starting XI. The last thing that needs to be written is that the club itself have allegedly decided he's a dud.

A huge misstep from Johnny Phillips or whoever at the club fed him this, grenading a player for no other reason than clicks and gossip is shameful.

Jonny Phillips is a journalist , its his job to tell the truth. You cant call him or that shameful. But whoever told Jonny Phillips may be at fault.

 

[Dorbelflunk]

Championship would eat him alive.

 

[Darvo]

A lot of posters have said there is/was a player in there .
I have never seen that. So can someone say what they did see in him at any stage in the last three years. In any particular match or run of matches.
Be it close ball control, positioning, pace, aggression , intelligence. Be kind , how would you "sell " him to another club ?

We’d probably use something like … ’He’s a £35m generational talent don’t you know … but we’ll let you have him for £7.5m’.

it’s become quite a sad saga this one. Unfortunately, I can’t help but feel that there’s an unhappy young man sitting at the heart of it.

 

[DJMolineux]

Wonder how many of the people slagging off, and writing off, Fabio were doing the same thing 6 months ago with Hwang.

Believe it or not, players can improve. Hwang is 27, Fabio is 21. So I would say the potential for Fabio to improve is much more than Hwang

 

[Minimalist]

Wonder how many of the people slagging off, and writing off, Fabio were doing the same thing 6 months ago with Hwang.

Believe it or not, players can improve. Hwang is 27, Fabio is 21. So I would say the potential for Fabio to improve is much more than Hwang

Problem is silva needs to play to improve, and he/we aren’t quite good enough to afford him that opportunity.
Hwang was different, he was a fully developed player, just needed a settling in period and a management that understood how to get the best out of him.

 

[AndyY]

I really wanted / want him to succeed but after 3 years it is fairly clear to me that “prime Robbie Keane” he is not. I genuinely do not understand why we paid £35M for him; now the fee is not his fault but the suspicion remains that it was a big favour in return for Moutinho and Neves. If we had paid £10M for him it might still have raised eyebrows but might have been worth a punt, as it is the figure paid is a ludicrous amount.
As for the minutes played, he has to earn minutes on the pitch and 4 different managers don’t seem to have wanted to play him consistently, and remember they see him every day in training as well as on the pitch and have seen the scouting reports from his loans.
I am sure he will have an ok career somewhere but I just don’t see the raw talent that suggests he will be a PL player any time soon. I hope we can get a decent loan for him with obligation to buy, and a decent sell on clause, and that he does well somewhere, but I don’t see us getting more than £10M for him.
I really wish him well but it would be better for him and Wolves if he moved on, I think.

 

[The Wolf In The North]

Or he could use it to spur him on, to say stuff you, I’ll show you who’s not good enough, it’s his choice on how to respond!

I agree, but part of management is dealing with different personality types. I'd go the 'stuff you' route, double down, but that's because I'm a beligerent little get. Fabio seems more the arm-around-the-shoulder type, but it would be nice if it went the other way.