Lets discuss Fabio and his future .

[SteveBullsKnee]

Never has the weight of a price tag and expectation weighed so heavy on a player (for us anyway). That out pouring of emotion at Sheffield United told the story for me, a player down on his luck, confidence shot and then that happens. Pretty sickening for the kid really.

A much older, more experienced (and better player!) but he looks like Torres did when he left Liverpool to go to Chelsea, every game he just looks worse and worse and so much of it isn’t ability, it’s the last ebb of his confidence withering away.

 

[Minimalist]

I’ve come to the conclusion he’s too young to lead the line. On the radio this morning they were on about Nicolas Jackson and him being too young at 22 for Chelsea.

Get Fabio playing and scoring goals in the U23s.

He possibly should have played for the u21’s in the efl cup games against senior opponents. However I think generally he is way beyond that level of football.

 

[northnorfolkwolf]

Never has the weight of a price tag and expectation weighed so heavy on a player (for us anyway). That out pouring of emotion at Sheffield United told the story for me, a player down on his luck, confidence shot and then that happens. Pretty sickening for the kid really.

A much older, more experienced (and better player!) but he looks like Torres did when he left Liverpool to go to Chelsea, every game he just looks worse and worse and so much of it isn’t ability, it’s the last ebb of his confidence withering away.

Spot on SBK. We are seeing a possibly decent young player going further and further down as he can't get minutes on the pitch and when he does he just seems to try far too hard and nothing goes right. You have to think his time with us is up, possibly this January and we bring a new no 9 in.

 

[Pengwern]

Get him relaxed & give him 90 minutes at Fulham or Arsenal!

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

Get him relaxed & give him 90 minutes at Fulham or Arsenal!

Rather play Sarabia

Fabio is finished as a Wolves player

 

[VancouverWolf]

At this point it seems to me that he’s got to get a decent of starting games so he can I,prove.

Subbing a bit here and a few minutes there is not helping, imo.

 

[brianm]

At this point it seems to me that he’s got to get a decent of starting games so he can I,prove.

Subbing a bit here and a few minutes there is not helping, imo.

It's not fair to his teammates to tank the team for his development. Doing that would hurt the team spirit a lot. The players need to know they will play if they give the team the best chance to win. No agendas.

 

[oldgolded]

Loan him to a top championship side for a couple of years, there's no point sending him back to one of these weak foreign league's he's not learning anything

Was thinking that a move to Coventry City could be good for him. They are obviously missing Gyokeres. Robins is a good manager and may be able to help him. I just feel we would have a far better idea of him after a few months there. Agree that going to a weak European league is going to tell us nothing and is probably not going to help him too much.

 

[Aimless Balls]

I would’ve brought him on last match, it was looking bleak and we needed anything different, but I didn’t know that we had Messi on the bench. Fabio’s fallen down another rung.

 

[VancouverWolf]

It's not fair to his teammates to tank the team for his development. Doing that would hurt the team spirit a lot. The players need to know they will play if they give the team the best chance to win. No agendas.

it’s a good point but when do you give potential young players a decent chance to be a PL player?
Many of the good CF at 21 needed time to develop.

 

[old wittonian]

At this point it seems to me that he’s got to get a decent of starting games so he can I,prove.

Subbing a bit here and a few minutes there is not helping, imo.

It's the EPL. He's needs to prove he's good enough. He can only do this by playing but at present he just isnt good enough imho. It's a catch 22 at present.

 

[QB Wolf]

it’s a good point but when do you give potential young players a decent chance to be a PL player?
Many of the good CF at 21 needed time to develop.

It’s the best league in the world, there’s no room for letting players develop, you have to play your best team and play at 100% to win football matches and he’s not close to that at the moment.

Your levels drop even slightly and you lose.

 

[waveney wolf]

Get him relaxed & give him 90 minutes at Fulham or Arsenal!

On what grounds?
Shall we play our 3rd choice keeper at Arsenal as well then? And Jonny at centre half??

 

[Hot Fuss]

A pawn in the Mendes game.

**** what’s best for the development of a 17 year old footballer whose shown promise, just get everybody paid.

 

[Darvo]

Get him relaxed & give him 90 minutes at Fulham or Arsenal!

Yep … I tend to agree. He needs to get his head straight first. GON needs to put a great big arm around him and reassure him that he has plenty of time here. He needs to be in good shape for when his chance comes. I’m still hoping he comes good.

 

[DJMolineux]

I still think Fabio will go on to have a decent career, the question is whether that will be at Wolves. The concern is that at the moment he’s not getting game time despite showing in close season and on his loans that he has something to offer. I think he can offer just as much if not more than Sasa from the bench and that’s the way to get him involved, improve his confidence and maybe kick on from there.

We can all think of players that have made big impacts as teenagers like Rooney and Owen but there are many many more that didn’t make their mark until their 20s. The likes of Kane, Salah and Jimenez had done next to nothing by the time they were Fabio’s age

 

[brianm]

The fixture congestion in December means that he will get on the pitch next month. When he does, if he wants to play then he needs to show he can string 10-15 good premier league minutes together where he is playing his role in the structure and not letting the group down with silly fouls, straying offside, errant passes in buildup, etc.

It's not just that he's not finishing. He has had some absolutely unusable performances that have weighed down the team. Neto in particular gets so exasperated with him.

It's not like he's as at a club that plays twice a week every week with no training time. He gets loads of training time, he's in an environment that is working for a lot of his teammates, and the manager has shown already that he will notice and play you if you're doing well in training.

Can he do it? I honestly don't know. It's up in the air. But I don't think there's an easy fix, and I do trust the manager will handle the situation with more nuance than I can think of from afar (or that I would come up with anyway...he seems good at man management).

 

[Fifty Niner]

I still think Fabio will go on to have a decent career, the question is whether that will be at Wolves. The concern is that at the moment he’s not getting game time despite showing in close season and on his loans that he has something to offer. I think he can offer just as much if not more than Sasa from the bench and that’s the way to get him involved, improve his confidence and maybe kick on from there.

We can all think of players that have made big impacts as teenagers like Rooney and Owen but there are many many more that didn’t make their mark until their 20s. The likes of Kane, Salah and Jimenez had done next to nothing by the time they were Fabio’s age

Jimenez got his first PL goal in over 12 months so there is hope for Silva. But it's a concern that he can't get a regular slot. His Wolves career has been a disaster for him to date.

 

[Superted]

I’ve come to the conclusion he’s too young to lead the line. On the radio this morning they were on about Nicolas Jackson and him being too young at 22 for Chelsea.

Get Fabio playing and scoring goals in the U23s.

Over on the transfer thread there have been suggetsions of Dominic Solanke and it got me thinking.

It's taken him until he's 26 to get as good as he is now. Bournemouth signed him nearly 5 years ago for £19m and it took him 39 games to score any PL Goals.

These days decent strikers don't seem to get near hitting their stride until they're 24/25. The only ones that get sustained success before that are your genuine world-class talents like Mbappe, Haaland etc. Darwin Nunez at 23/24 has been inconsistent but has scored goals.

I do think Fabio will come good eventually but he needs time and patience. I hope we don't lose patience before he has a chance to realise his potential.

 

[Plovdiv Wolf]

Over on the transfer thread there have been suggetsions of Dominic Solanke and it got me thinking.

It's taken him until he's 26 to get as good as he is now. Bournemouth signed him nearly 5 years ago for £19m and it took him 39 games to score any PL Goals.

These days decent strikers don't seem to get near hitting their stride until they're 24/25. The only ones that get sustained success before that are your genuine world-class talents like Mbappe, Haaland etc. Darwin Nunez at 23/24 has been inconsistent but has scored goals.

I do think Fabio will come good eventually but he needs time and patience. I hope we don't lose patience before he has a chance to realise his potential.

Fabio lacks confidence. Everyone can see it.

 

[The House of Wolves]

He just ain’t got that dawg in him.

 

[Ned]

The fixture congestion in December means that he will get on the pitch next month. When he does, if he wants to play then he needs to show he can string 10-15 good premier league minutes together where he is playing his role in the structure and not letting the group down with silly fouls, straying offside, errant passes in buildup, etc.

It's not just that he's not finishing. He has had some absolutely unusable performances that have weighed down the team. Neto in particular gets so exasperated with him.

It's not like he's as at a club that plays twice a week every week with no training time. He gets loads of training time, he's in an environment that is working for a lot of his teammates, and the manager has shown already that he will notice and play you if you're doing well in training.

Can he do it? I honestly don't know. It's up in the air. But I don't think there's an easy fix, and I do trust the manager will handle the situation with more nuance than I can think of from afar (or that I would come up with anyway...he seems good at man management).

Bang on, the only way he can get in to this team is by training his nuts off (he might do this already) and by having a positive impact when he comes on.

In theory, with the type of player he is, he could be ahead of Sasa in the pecking order as he can play centrally and has the intelligence/movement to come in from the left. However, as it stands, he’s behind guys who play predominantly in those areas from the bench. It’s a tricky one but it seems like he needs to find a Sarabia performance from somewhere.

 

[Jefe]

From Johnny's latest article: "The consensus at Compton is that Fabio Silva has had his chances. The coaching staff do not see a future for him at Wolves, but his departure is not a straightforward issue."

Looks like his pretty disastrous cameo at Bramall Lane was the final straw. A shame it will end (literally) in tears, but it's clearly best for all parties to cut their losses. Wolves could get £15-20m, which might get us a replacement if we're canny about it, and Fabio might be able to get his career back on track.

 

[hollo]

Fabio was nowhere to be seen in the post match celebrations against spurs. I saw bueno but not fabio. Is he part of the group?

 

[Oh When the Wolves]

Most embarrasing signing in history

Get him gone.

Hopefully he can go to a club and play every week for 3 seasons

 

[RosehillWolf]

He’s nowhere near a PL level striker. He has no killer instinct and is too nice on the pitch. We will struggle to get 5 of that 35 million back. At least it’s a wage off the books. Dreadful waste of money but no blame on the lad , it’s not his fault we paid so much

 

[wolfslair]

Never has the weight of a price tag and expectation weighed so heavy on a player (for us anyway). That out pouring of emotion at Sheffield United told the story for me, a player down on his luck, confidence shot and then that happens. Pretty sickening for the kid really.

A much older, more experienced (and better player!) but he looks like Torres did when he left Liverpool to go to Chelsea, every game he just looks worse and worse and so much of it isn’t ability, it’s the last ebb of his confidence withering away.

I honestly think a break is best for all parties.

He will go on to have a good career on the continent I think. As there is a supremely strong talented player in the kid.

The raul injury in a weird way also derailed his career and the plans we had for him which would have been so much better for him long term.

Can’t fault him for the size of the fee, too much for someone so young with only a very good age grade record to judge him on.

The way people went after him, has been so wrong. Have a go at Jeff for the fee not the player who has no say on it…..

 

[brianm]

I still think there's a chance he plays next month just based on fixture congestion, but signs are not great.

 

[Muscat]

From Johnny's latest article: "The consensus at Compton is that Fabio Silva has had his chances. The coaching staff do not see a future for him at Wolves, but his departure is not a straightforward issue."

Whatever your view on Fabio, I find it very difficult to accept that a 21yo having 267 minutes constitutes someone having "had their chance".

 

[old wittonian]

Whatever your view on Fabio, I find it very difficult to accept that a 21yo having 267 minutes constitutes someone having "had their chance".

There's a reason he had only had 267 minutes. Not good enough.

 

[old wittonian]

From Johnny's latest article: "The consensus at Compton is that Fabio Silva has had his chances. The coaching staff do not see a future for him at Wolves, but his departure is not a straightforward issue."

Looks like his pretty disastrous cameo at Bramall Lane was the final straw. A shame it will end (literally) in tears, but it's clearly best for all parties to cut their losses. Wolves could get £15-20m, which might get us a replacement if we're canny about it, and Fabio might be able to get his career back on track.

IMHO we'll be lucky to get £5 million but with a large sell on fee.

 

[groundhogwolf]

Get him relaxed & give him 90 minutes at Fulham or Arsenal!

Why, don’t we need the points from these games ?

 

[DJMolineux]

Fabio needs to earn his place in the team. I’d like to see him get more chances from the bench to give him the chance to do so

 

[Contrarian]

At this point it seems to me that he’s got to get a decent of starting games so he can I,prove.

Subbing a bit here and a few minutes there is not helping, imo.

Hwang and Sasa have both scored goals coming on as sub. We need points, we need goals. I don't think it fair to give Fabio opportunities we wouldn't give anyone else. The team position is more important that developing a player we overpaid for.

 

[Matt]

From Johnny's latest article: "The consensus at Compton is that Fabio Silva has had his chances. The coaching staff do not see a future for him at Wolves, but his departure is not a straightforward issue."

Looks like his pretty disastrous cameo at Bramall Lane was the final straw. A shame it will end (literally) in tears, but it's clearly best for all parties to cut their losses. Wolves could get £15-20m, which might get us a replacement if we're canny about it, and Fabio might be able to get his career back on track.

I don’t think we’d get anywhere near that for him. Probably best loaning him out again in the hope that he finds some form in a lesser league and builds his value up.

 

[Contrarian]

Whatever your view on Fabio, I find it very difficult to accept that a 21yo having 267 minutes constitutes someone having "had their chance".

Sasa has had 129 minutes. Scored 2 goals in them. Sarabia one goal in 192 minutes. I don't get why he should get all these opportunities ahead of others who just look better and far more able at this level. Send him on loan to a level lower to give him the development he needs. If he came on instead of Sasa and Sarabia, people would still be claiming he's a wasted generational talent. And we'd have 7 fewer points. And 1 more if he *hadn't* come on against Sheff U.

 

[VancouverWolf]

Hwang and Sasa have both scored goals coming on as sub. We need points, we need goals. I don't think it fair to give Fabio opportunities we wouldn't give anyone else. The team position is more important that developing a player we overpaid for.

Yes, but maybe at least sub him more often.
And we know how long it took before Hwang started scoring regularly.

 

[Muscat]

Sasa has had 129 minutes. Scored 2 goals in them. Sarabia one goal in 192 minutes. I don't get why he should get all these opportunities ahead of others who just look better and far more able at this level. Send him on loan to a level lower to give him the development he needs. If he came on instead of Sasa and Sarabia, people would still be claiming he's a wasted generational talent. And we'd have 7 fewer points. And 1 more if he *hadn't* come on against Sheff U.

They are better and more able but Sarabia joined us from PSG and is our highest paid player. Sasa is a proven top level striker. So yes clearly they are better currently and will have more of an impact.

When Sasa was 21 he had 240 minutes in the Regional Bundesliga East for FC Admira Wacker Mödling II and didn't score a goal. He finished the season with 8 goals in 16 for the first team in the Bundesliga.

I mean Hwang went 14 months without scoring and was generally terrible. Neto was awful for ages when returning from injury.

My point is you cannot tell anything long-term from less than 3 matches of minutes, never mind writing a young player off after such little game time and then arguing they've had their shot.

I personally find it hard to believe our coaches have said that even if they don't think Fabio is good enough. But clearly from last season we know he is at a level where he could become a good player, so it's their job to make that happen, or find a pathway for him so it can - I'd favour another loan, we have plenty of time in terms of age and contract.

 

[Dorbelflunk]

If Fabio comes good at his next club, feel free to rub my face in it. But I'm sorry, it's enough now. I wish him the best.

 

[wolfslair]

Yes, but maybe at least sub him more often.
And we know how long it took before Hwang started scoring regularly.

He scored in multiple games when he first signed mate. Then popped his hammy.

He has 17 goal involvements in less than 75 appearances and that is with multiple injuries breaking up consistency and the chance to gain form.

He has been our most accurate striker of a ball for a while stastically.

lost season, he was on the end of a few very good saves last season from his shots which kept his tally lower. So he was always likely to have a “change in fortunes” in regards to the ball going in and him getting more goals at some point as he gets into more goal scoring positions than Fabio. Part of that is hwang is far better than Fabio at getting away from defenders in the box or even putting himself in the “lost art” much under appreciated position for the simple tap in.

So with a run of no injuries, his goal scoring run is of little suprise.

Fabio doesn’t have many of any shots in his cameos, so the chances of him doing what hwang has done is slim.