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Accuracy is very important in journalism….. how can you say that it isn’t?

If you are known for not being accurate, you don’t get access to good sources, won’t last long in the industry or get the better paid roles
Opinion pieces, which most sports ‘articles’ are, are rife with inaccuracies, speculation, rumour, etc.

Why would I bother with someone‘s opinion? ….ergo, I don’t waste my time on them.
 

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Its easy to be wise after the event but the fact is that the summer dealings at Molineux were a master stroke. We would have been facing Everton-esque sanctions down the line if we had not had a massive influx of funds from the sales of Neves and Nunes and others.
The squad clear out of the old guard has suited us. We are mostly playing more positive and attractive football with a few blips along the way. As good a player as Neves is the fact is that we didnt have the right balance within the squad to get the best out of him. We moved the ball far too slowly over the last couple of seasons.
 

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For me our mid-term target should be a solid mid-table team aiming for Europe if things go well.

So its not about spending money but about doing the right things to hit that target. And adapting if off that target.
We seem to have got it right now , whether by default, judgement or luck.
 

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For me our mid-term target should be a solid mid-table team aiming for Europe if things go well.

So its not about spending money but about doing the right things to hit that target. And adapting if off that target.
We seem to have got it right now , whether by default, judgement or luck.
I think in football it’s usually a combination of the three.

You just can’t work out how something is going to work out. Ancelloti at Everton, pretty dire.

Howe at Newcastle seemed underwhelming but it’s turned out well.,

O’Neil will probably work out somewhere between these.
 

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Opinion pieces, which most sports ‘articles’ are, are rife with inaccuracies, speculation, rumour, etc.

Why would I bother with someone‘s opinion? ….ergo, I don’t waste my time on them.
But that wasn’t an opinion piece…… it was a well researched article with sources close to the camp.

I don’t know what the sports media is like in Canada so cannot comment what is seen as acceptable in terms of this type of investigative journalism, in the UK media you would be hung out if you churn out deliberately misleading stories claiming to be facts.

If you are going to be deliberately dismissive, at least be accurate in how you describe the article. Also Jonny Philips is insanely well connected to the club, he seems to be “The trusted” journalist who gets any of the rare nuggets out of the club.

Maybe trust the more local fans than yourself in regards to how trustworthy he is.
 

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But that wasn’t an opinion piece…… it was a well researched article with sources close to the camp.

I don’t know what the sports media is like in Canada so cannot comment what is seen as acceptable in terms of this type of investigative journalism, in the UK media you would be hung out if you churn out deliberately misleading stories claiming to be facts.

If you are going to be deliberately dismissive, at least be accurate in how you describe the article. Also Jonny Philips is insanely well connected to the club, he seems to be “The trusted” journalist who gets any of the rare nuggets out of the club.

Maybe trust the more local fans than yourself in regards to how trustworthy he is.
Trustworthy or not, he's not going to be a popular man with the Wolves coaches at the moment. The way this Fabio nugget is phrased is maximally hurtful to the dressing room. It's done at a time that is deeply unhelpful. Very likely they're going to be going on internally about what bull**** that is, they haven't made that kind of judgement, etc.

Kind of a bizarre episode if I'm honest. Why would he do that?
 

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Trustworthy or not, he's not going to be a popular man with the Wolves coaches at the moment. The way this Fabio nugget is phrased is maximally hurtful to the dressing room. It's done at a time that is deeply unhelpful. Very likely they're going to be going on internally about what bull**** that is, they haven't made that kind of judgement, etc.

Kind of a bizarre episode if I'm honest. Why would he do that?

It's not his job to help Wolves. It's his job to get clicks online - if he has something interesting about Fabio, of course he'll say it.
 

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It's not his job to help Wolves. It's his job to get clicks online - if he has something interesting about Fabio, of course he'll say it.
But will he retain the same access when he's hurting the team? I'm not saying this is worth a witch hunt internally as to his sources, but I'd be pretty ****ed off right now if I worked there.
 

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But will he retain the same access when he's hurting the team? I'm not saying this is worth a witch hunt internally as to his sources, but I'd be pretty ****ed off right now if I worked there.

Probably, it's hardly outing a scandal is it.
 

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Trustworthy or not, he's not going to be a popular man with the Wolves coaches at the moment. The way this Fabio nugget is phrased is maximally hurtful to the dressing room. It's done at a time that is deeply unhelpful. Very likely they're going to be going on internally about what bull**** that is, they haven't made that kind of judgement, etc.

Kind of a bizarre episode if I'm honest. Why would he do that?
Or was it given to him to help create the interest in somebody to take Fabio in jan to help increase their transfer kitty?

He won’t be burning those bridges…….

Clubs often let these stories out to create interest or get people who thought about an enquiry to press on to actually do it if they know a deal is possible. It can put a player higher up the “transfer target list” if it is known the club will take bids.

Leaks and stories like this can be highly mutually beneficial to the club.
 

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Or was it given to him to help create the interest in somebody to take Fabio in jan to help increase their transfer kitty?

He won’t be burning those bridges…….

Clubs often let these stories out to create interest or get people who thought about an enquiry to press on to actually do it if they know a deal is possible. It can put a player higher up the “transfer target list” if it is known the club will take bids.

Leaks and stories like this can be highly mutually beneficial to the club.
Possible that Fabio(or his old man) is pushing for a move again?
 

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Or was it given to him to help create the interest in somebody to take Fabio in jan to help increase their transfer kitty?

He won’t be burning those bridges…….

Clubs often let these stories out to create interest or get people who thought about an enquiry to press on to actually do it if they know a deal is possible. It can put a player higher up the “transfer target list” if it is known the club will take bids.

Leaks and stories like this can be highly mutually beneficial to the club.
I don't see how this creates interest. I agree leaks can be helpful, but saying the coaches have given up on a young guy who just broke down in tears his mentality is in such shambles ain't it.
 

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I don't see how this creates interest. I agree leaks can be helpful, but saying the coaches have given up on a young guy who just broke down in tears his mentality is in such shambles ain't it.
Think it’s quite clear that the relationship needs to end it’s good for neither us or the player. It’s just not going to happen for the lad here.
 

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But that wasn’t an opinion piece…… it was a well researched article with sources close to the camp.

I don’t know what the sports media is like in Canada so cannot comment what is seen as acceptable in terms of this type of investigative journalism, in the UK media you would be hung out if you churn out deliberately misleading stories claiming to be facts.

If you are going to be deliberately dismissive, at least be accurate in how you describe the article. Also Jonny Philips is insanely well connected to the club, he seems to be “The trusted” journalist who gets any of the rare nuggets out of the club.

Maybe trust the more local fans than yourself in regards to how trustworthy he is.
To each his own, ok? You read and believe what you want, ok?
 

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To each his own, ok? You read and believe what you want, ok?
So you don’t like clearly sourced stories….. ok….. how on earth did you pass history?

Bear in mind how often you demand proof/sources/news links when people share what they hear, we have a respected journalist who has sourced directly from within GON’s own staff and you still dismiss it….. ok…… that makes next to zero sense….

With how far geographically from the club you are, with the fact you are clearly dismissing a trusted journalist to the club based in England you will never accept or learn anything about the club will you….

Do you need the tape recordings too??? As he cannot name his sources due to the ethics of journalism.

if you don’t believe sourced news stories by trusted journalists who actually have interviews with Jeff….. not many have done that, what does it take for you to accept a story???

Especially one that is from a journalist whose stuff you can take to the bank and is respected across all of British football media, not just the wolves scene.
 

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So you don’t like clearly sourced stories….. ok….. how on earth did you pass history?

Bear in mind how often you demand proof/sources/news links when people share what they hear, we have a respected journalist who has sourced directly from within GON’s own staff and you still dismiss it….. ok…… that makes next to zero sense….

With how far geographically from the club you are, with the fact you are clearly dismissing a trusted journalist to the club based in England you will never accept or learn anything about the club will you….

Do you need the tape recordings too??? As he cannot name his sources due to the ethics of journalism.

if you don’t believe sourced news stories by trusted journalists who actually have interviews with Jeff….. not many have done that, what does it take for you to accept a story???

Especially one that is from a journalist whose stuff you can take to the bank and is respected across all of British football media, not just the wolves scene.
I do what you do…….I judge by body language.
 

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I do what you do…….I judge by body language.
Hahaha

Great come back…… not even close to accurate…. But you do you…..

I made my opinion based on numerous things…. From speaking to people I know in the game, what i saw from his time at Bournemouth, then what I saw in his early interviews. Multiple things there….. not just one……

But his body language has improved, he is getting better and showing more personality in his interviews as he has gained more time at the club and infront of the media.

My opinion has also moved, as I have Said a few times.

He is learning and getting better each week and has done a great job since the Ipswich game, which I believe may be the turning point for him and in the long run it might be a great thing to have happened to him and the club. As since then, he has turned a corner and is showing more of a constant philosophy in the way we play and are set up that is what he wants to do and in a way he is comfortable with.
 

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Trustworthy or not, he's not going to be a popular man with the Wolves coaches at the moment. The way this Fabio nugget is phrased is maximally hurtful to the dressing room. It's done at a time that is deeply unhelpful. Very likely they're going to be going on internally about what bull**** that is, they haven't made that kind of judgement, etc.

Kind of a bizarre episode if I'm honest. Why would he do that?
Exactly my view..... weirdly venomous article in how it talks about players.
 

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Hahaha

Great come back…… not even close to accurate…. But you do you…..

I made my opinion based on numerous things…. From speaking to people I know in the game, what i saw from his time at Bournemouth, then what I saw in his early interviews. Multiple things there….. not just one……

But his body language has improved, he is getting better and showing more personality in his interviews as he has gained more time at the club and infront of the media.

My opinion has also moved, as I have Said a few times.

He is learning and getting better each week and has done a great job since the Ipswich game, which I believe may be the turning point for him and in the long run it might be a great thing to have happened to him and the club. As since then, he has turned a corner and is showing more of a constant philosophy in the way we play and are set up that is what he wants to do and in a way he is comfortable with.
Ok…..whatever.
Why would anyone care what I want to read?…….kinda ridiculous , don’t ya tink?
 

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Re: Neto, we did actually beat Spurs without him, and as with last season without Neves we went on a winning run. One man doesn't make a team....Except possibly Messi?
 

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Ok…..whatever.
Why would anyone care what I want to read?…….kinda ridiculous , don’t ya tink?
It is more how dismissive you are about this and the person who wrote it based on all the times you ask for proof of why someone has said something, then you get an article researched, sourced to a person in the camp and you completely pass it off as an “opinion piece”

This literally offers everything you ever ask for as to why people have an opinion…… it is from the horses mouth and you dismiss it.

Just odd
 

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Ok…..whatever.
Why would anyone care what I want to read?…….kinda ridiculous , don’t ya tink?
Yes, why would anyone care what you read? Why would anyone care what you think? Why would anyone care what anyone thinks? What's the point of posting it on a forum? What's the point of a forum? Anyone? ;)
 

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Whichever side of the fence you’re on, another cracking article from Phillips. You cannot question his connections and insights, he is also clearly respected by people in the club. No one else in the media seems to have the access he has, fair play
 

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@Vancouver - this will be accurate as the journalist is as close to an insider as you can get.

i do however share a slight concern regarding the tone and finality of some of the language and inferences here. i wonder why he’s come out with it in this manner and right now?
I think the club may have learned from the summer with JL that it might be “beneficial” for them to have their own “trusted” journalist to let some nuggets out to us fans that FOSUN have been so good at keeping away from us. So when JL did what he did, he had more contacts and people in the media spread the story like wildfire causing a PR nightmare.

They now can control the narrative better if they do stuff like this and in turn let the world and potential suitors for Fabio from the summer that got knocked back that he is now available so they might want to try again. In turn creating the market for him and hope for a small bidding war.
 

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It is more how dismissive you are about this and the person who wrote it based on all the times you ask for proof of why someone has said something, then you get an article researched, sourced to a person in the camp and you completely pass it off as an “opinion piece”

This literally offers everything you ever ask for as to why people have an opinion…… it is from the horses mouth and you dismiss it.

Just odd
Please go away and be obsessed wth someone else’s reading habits.
 

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Yes, why would anyone care what you read? Why would anyone care what you think? Why would anyone care what anyone thinks? What's the point of posting it on a forum? What's the point of a forum? Anyone? ;)
@Vancouver - this will be accurate as the journalist is as close to an insider as you can get.

i do however share a slight concern regarding the tone and finality of some of the language and inferences here. i wonder why he’s come out with it in this manner and right now?
I don’t read the E &S much anymore…..no big deal.
If there‘s anything of real interest, then it’ll pop up here.
 

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Opinion pieces, which most sports ‘articles’ are, are rife with inaccuracies, speculation, rumour, etc.

Why would I bother with someone‘s opinion? ….ergo, I don’t waste my time on them.
"A Wolf does not concern himself with the musings of sheep" (or something like that)
 
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