Hwang

[Boss Hogg]

Funnily enough Neil Collins was the first player I thought of as whilst reading the comms on here during the game.

Lol, that guy had a head and two feet shaped like 50pence pieces

 

[Dan G WWFC]

I would get rid of podence and Silva for Guedes and Rafa Silva in a heartbeat....

Be well happy with guedes, Rafa Silva, Gibbs Neto...(hwang chiquhino)...as the options....

Then bring in someone to help Raul, cause Silva isn't the answer....

I'd get throw Hwang away to Switzerland Tomorrow and replace him with the kids.

 

[Dan G WWFC]

I know it's clutching a straws a bit but the fact that Joelinton can turn from the biggest flop in the world to a player of the year gives me something to cling onto that I shouldn't be writing off the likes for Fabio and Hwang too soon.

That's because Newcastle was idiots and didn't understand how he was used in Germany. He was never a good striker but is physical, fast, works hard off the ball and can tackle. Used as a deep defensive forward to help press. Him moving to midfield and working shouldn't be that surprising. Them keep playing him as a lone isolated striker constantly should be. As the fee too!

 

[Contrarian]

How many minutes has he played this season??

As for Hwang, for a player near his peak valued at a 1/3 of what a raw Silva was I don't think its a fair comparison between those two, we're getting perhaps just below what we should expect from Hwang, we're getting so so so much less from silva than we should, his lack of minutes is based on his performances in training you have to assume and based on what we see when he does play that explains why it's few and far between.

Yes, I can understand people annoyed at Hwang not good enough. I can't understand thinking that Fabio will somehow come in and save us. It does happen that a player gets better in the fans eyes, simply by not playing! Fabio looks better in short bursts. When given a longer time, he invariably does something as daft as Hwang's slippy slidey. I can't forget Fabio's attempts to deal with a waist-high ball..though I tried. He struggles with control just as much, and we all know he has no pace. Hwang is not good, but still looks more likely to score an actual goal or even create one than Fabio.

The pressure is on the lad big time next season, for a so called wonder boy he's been very very poor, age can't always be the excuse, Rooney, Owen, Walcott were making huge impressions at this level at 16-18 years or age, most premier league fans probably don't even know who Silva even is!!!

And Neto. Jota. Neves. And that's just us. I think people forget that while yes, the likes of Kane and Lewandoski were also not scoring hat fulls in the Premier League at 19/20, there are plenty of footballers of that age around at the high levels. And Fabio just doesn't stand out in any way. Other than being a lot slower and awkward, of course. Fabio Carvalho just cost Liverpool less than 10m and he looks way better than Fabio. Makes you wonder what's going on. If anything, both Hwang and Fabio suffer from transfers influenced by "business" decisions , rather than pure "footballing" decisions.

As for Hwang, Meh! Was a minor outlay for a squad player who 'should' weigh in with a few goals here and there, he's not been that far off that really

That's another aspect I don't get. That;s how I see it. Squad player who could possibly have shone, but when didn't, played more than expected due to injuries. Yes, he's been awful, but still done better than plenty of players who cost more at this level. £12M for a ready-to-go squad player who can score a few, isn't the best business, but it's also nowhere near the "worst transfer ever" which keeps gettign stated here.

 

[The Clock]

seems like the best place to post it:

Cookie Love - About Jean

Jean Hwang Carrant (pronounced Gene) is full of surprises… This American born and raised in Kansas, of Taiwanese descent, fallen in love with a Frenchman, bakes the most surprising cookies in Paris.

www.cookielove.paris

Some coincidence!

 

[Glow69]

Getting abit OTT with the Hwang hatred. His staying,mistake or not, so hopefully after a good preseason and his injuries in the past he'll start finding abit of form. Obviously something there when you look at his performances for RB with Halaand and co, good finisher. Lost his way abit for whatever reason like a lot of them.

 

[HowfenWolf]

Getting abit OTT with the Hwang hatred. His staying,mistake or not, so hopefully after a good preseason and his injuries in the past he'll start finding abit of form. Obviously something there when you look at his performances for RB with Halaand and co, good finisher. Lost his way abit for whatever reason like a lot of them.

Hope so fella, but sometimes..... thats just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately

 

[NewarkWolf]

Hope so fella, but sometimes..... thats just the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately

It's amazing how many are so upset at how a club pushing for top 8 purchased a player of 26 years of age for 12 million and for some reason expected him to make a huge contribution to the first team!!! We are virtually getting what we've paid for!

 

[Glow69]

It's amazing how many are so upset at how a club pushing for top 8 purchased a player of 26 years of age for 12 million and for some reason expected him to make a huge contribution to the first team!!! We are virtually getting what we've paid for!

Cost means **** all

 

[YouGottaRaulWithIt]

There's a pretty obvious explanation for that - Bruno feels like "Podence and others" need to work harder, so he "slags them off", while he feels like Hwang tries hard but needs a confidence boost so he praises his efforts.

And I really don't think that fans are criticising Hwang on here because they think that will influence Bruno's team selection in 3 months time, that's a hell of a reach! They're doing it because they don't like Hwang or they want to lash out.

...or he is just such an easy target? His lack positional awareness and poor control are bad enough, but when be buys cookies for the manager, well...that takes the biscuit.

 

[WeAreTheWolvesII]

Hwang’s issue is that he does things that are so bad that they stick in your mind.

Take Liverpool when he slid to try and keep the ball in. It was inexplicably bad, it really was. It’s no exaggeration to say that a pub player would’ve just carried on running and kept it in.

He also ran the ball out of play first half in a way that was hard to grasp.

Then you have some of his touches which are again inexplicably bad on occasions, it just clouds your judgement on everything else he does.

Should also note his lack of heart and willingness to go down means he’s not going to be popular among our fans as well.

When you take all that into account it does make the criticism more extreme and you forget some of the good stuff he can do.

For all his faults at Liverpool, he was still a threat. Alisson makes a good save to deny him and Jimenez messed up a pass for a tap in. So on another day he could have two and he’s lauded in here. It’s not often we have a player that could’ve scored two in a game! So he’s obviously doing something right in terms of runs/positioning.

It’s clear he’s not good enough overall to play regularly and the board deserve all the stick they’re getting and more for deciding to sign him in January when they didn’t need to.

But he could still be an okay squad player at times.

 

[JohnB]

Looks like 4 weeks of military training to early July for Hwang - not much of a break ahead of pre-season.

S. Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan to enter military training after 2 friendlies in June | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, May 27 (Yonhap) -- South Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan will only...

m-en.yna.co.kr

 

[Kashmire Hawker]

Looks like 4 weeks of military training to early July for Hwang - not much of a break ahead of pre-season.

S. Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan to enter military training after 2 friendlies in June | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, May 27 (Yonhap) -- South Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan will only...

m-en.yna.co.kr

Some of the Social Media comments on this are horrid - he will do it very well, and I suspect it will give him extra motivation to make next season better than this term.

 

[Deleted member drgr12429]

Some of the Social Media comments on this are horrid - he will do it very well, and I suspect it will give him extra motivation to make next season better than this term.

There's 14 million reasons for him to have the latter...

 

[HowfenWolf]

Looks like 4 weeks of military training to early July for Hwang - not much of a break ahead of pre-season.

S. Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan to enter military training after 2 friendlies in June | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, May 27 (Yonhap) -- South Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan will only...

m-en.yna.co.kr

Hopefully learn how to hit the target whilst he's there

 

[Jamwolf]

Looks like 4 weeks of military training to early July for Hwang - not much of a break ahead of pre-season.

S. Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan to enter military training after 2 friendlies in June | Yonhap News Agency

By Yoo Jee-ho SEOUL, May 27 (Yonhap) -- South Korean midfielder Hwang Hee-chan will only...

m-en.yna.co.kr

Hopefully he'll get a few on target against North Korea and build up his confidence.

 

[Hoganstolemywife]

Mate you are defending Hwang and of course that is you opinion but the simple fact is he is a professional footballer who cant control a ball. His performance on Sunday was dreadful and he has been dreadful whenever he has played this year. I am simply staggered he cant control a ball.

Me too!

Off the ball he's actually really good. Makes clever runs. Gets in behind the line well and pops up in the right place.

I don't know what's happened to him though....he's just forgot the football bit of football.

His performance against Liverpool was up there with the worst I've seen in a Wolves shirt and seemed to be the zenith of 5 very very bad months for him

 

[NewarkWolf]

Cost means **** all

Of course it does! You buy a player for a million and one for 30 million you're going to expect more back from the expensive one! What a strange thing to say!!

 

[theweave]

Of course it does! You buy a player for a million and one for 30 million you're going to expect more back from the expensive one! What a strange thing to say!!

Moutinho was signed for 5 million. Jordao about 8 million, which did you expect more from?

 

[NewarkWolf]

Moutinho was signed for 5 million. Jordao about 8 million, which did you expect more from?

Moutinho was at the back end of his career. Jordao as part of a package for neto.

Hwang is at his peak age and still only valued at 12 million.....

We're getting what we should expect from him or more recently slightly less.

For a club like us with limited funds we've heaped unnecessary pressure on silva as that transfer alone restricted us in other areas to strengthen and his arrival has not even improved the area of the pitch he was brought for!

Hwang has just added numbers to the wide positions and performed how we should almost expect given the fee and his development in football, he's a squad player and the fee and deal was for no more

 

[Rhoswolf]

Moutinho was at the back end of his career. Jordao as part of a package for neto.

Hwang is at his peak age and still only valued at 12 million.....

We're getting what we should expect from him or more recently slightly less.

For a club like us with limited funds we've heaped unnecessary pressure on silva as that transfer alone restricted us in other areas to strengthen and his arrival has not even improved the area of the pitch he was brought for!

Hwang has just added numbers to the wide positions and performed how we should almost expect given the fee and his development in football, he's a squad player and the fee and deal was for no more

Better squad options in under 23's total waste of money.

 

[theweave]

Moutinho was at the back end of his career. Jordao as part of a package for neto.

Hwang is at his peak age and still only valued at 12 million.....

We're getting what we should expect from him or more recently slightly less.

For a club like us with limited funds we've heaped unnecessary pressure on silva as that transfer alone restricted us in other areas to strengthen and his arrival has not even improved the area of the pitch he was brought for!

Hwang has just added numbers to the wide positions and performed how we should almost expect given the fee and his development in football, he's a squad player and the fee and deal was for no more

What should we expect from chiquinho, he was less than 4 million

 

[Adrian_Monk]

He was ok against Liverpool until he got anywhere near the ball in the first half, in the second he was a disaster. He's never going to make it, if I'm proved otherwise I'll be astonished. I suspect Bruno will be gone fairly soon anyway and I can't see another manager fancying him

 

[Darvo]

This type of thread, that basically take a Wolves player to the cleaners is unsavoury to say the least. I hope the lad has a good summer, pre-season and proves a few wrong next season. Hope to god he doesn’t read The Mix.

 

[Sammy Chungs Tracksuit]

Hwang’s issue is that he does things that are so bad that they stick in your mind.

Take Liverpool when he slid to try and keep the ball in. It was inexplicably bad, it really was. It’s no exaggeration to say that a pub player would’ve just carried on running and kept it in.

He also ran the ball out of play first half in a way that was hard to grasp.

Then you have some of his touches which are again inexplicably bad on occasions, it just clouds your judgement on everything else he does.

Should also note his lack of heart and willingness to go down means he’s not going to be popular among our fans as well.

When you take all that into account it does make the criticism more extreme and you forget some of the good stuff he can do.

For all his faults at Liverpool, he was still a threat. Alisson makes a good save to deny him and Jimenez messed up a pass for a tap in. So on another day he could have two and he’s lauded in here. It’s not often we have a player that could’ve scored two in a game! So he’s obviously doing something right in terms of runs/positioning.

It’s clear he’s not good enough overall to play regularly and the board deserve all the stick they’re getting and more for deciding to sign him in January when they didn’t need to.

But he could still be an okay squad player at times.

As I recall Jiminez could have passed to Hwang to his left completely unmarked and Dendoncker to his right who did have a covering player and he chose Dendoncker! Just goes to show that Jiminez has got zero confidence in Hwang especially as he chose Donk whose shooting is usually very poor. Bad decision by Jiminez.
I'm not saying Hwang would have finished but I will say his shooting is better than Donks. It does look to me like Hwang has been sidelined a bit by the other players. Dont get me wrong I dont think Hwang is good enough but he would look a damn site better if our other players treated him more as a teammate.

 

[Deleted member drgr12429]

As I recall Jiminez could have passed to Hwang to his left completely unmarked and Dendoncker to his right who did have a covering player and he chose Dendoncker! Just goes to show that Jiminez has got zero confidence in Hwang especially as he chose Donk whose shooting is usually very poor. Bad decision by Jiminez.
I'm not saying Hwang would have finished but I will say his shooting is better than Donks. It does look to me like Hwang has been sidelined a bit by the other players. Dont get me wrong I dont think Hwang is good enough but he would look a damn site better if our other players treated him more as a teammate.

Even back in the day when i played if you had a team mate that was **** you would never pass to him, unless the other 10 were marked, and then you'd rather kick it out for a throw in. I guess today is still the same...

 

[Rufio]

I don’t know what some of u expect for 12m. He’s alright, is he Messi? No..but he’s a decent squad player.

 

[NewarkWolf]

I don’t know what some of u expect for 12m. He’s alright, is he Messi? No..but he’s a decent squad player.

No no it's irrelevant what fee you buy players for or they're valued at as they should all be world class standard and put in top performances week in week out

 

[wolfslair]

Hopefully learn how to hit the target whilst he's there

He has the best shot conversion rate in the team, so that comment should be aimed at everyone else really

 

[Mighty Thor]

I don’t know what some of u expect for 12m. He’s alright, is he Messi? No..but he’s a decent squad player.

12 million is 12 million in any language. Don’t be so flippant!!!

But now you ask the question….as a start, I don’t think it’s too much to ask that ( for much much less than 12m) we could expect any wolves signing to a) give a **** b) be able to control the ball better than my 4 year old and c) be able to pass the ball at least 6 feet to someone wearing the same colour shirt as them

 

[Supadavewolf]

He has the best shot conversion rate in the team, so that comment should be aimed at everyone else really

Is that a fact?

Dammit, facts on here now. That's being unfair to us.

 

[lets all have a disco]

Hwang has took over donk, Fabio and semedo as the new scapegoat with both barrels.....and we wonder why our players want out......

It was all Gibbs used to get when he was here....constant derision...all he has got at Sheffield is praise...no wonder he might think the grass is greener elsewhere....

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

12 million is 12 million in any language. Don’t be so flippant!!!

But now you ask the question….as a start, I don’t think it’s too much to ask that ( for much much less than 12m) we could expect any wolves signing to a) give a **** b) be able to control the ball better than my 4 year old and c) be able to pass the ball at least 6 feet to someone wearing the same colour shirt as them

To be fair i do think he cares from what I’ve seen but b and c should be givens regardless of a.

 

[Matt]

I don’t think it’s fair to accuse Hwang of a lack of effort. He does give a **** and he does give 100% effort imo.

 

[wwbug]

I just get the feeling he would be great at Championship level. .
He has risen to a level where he can’t compete and that has made him lose confidence.
It is not his fault it is his recruitment that was wrong. We took a punt when we were desperate for a goalscorer.
I believe if he scored a few he could start to score many. But it’s a big ask. The Premier League is unforgiving .

 

[DanishWolf]

I just get the feeling he woukd be great at Championship level. .
He has risen to a level where he can’t compete and that has made him lose confidence.
It is not his fault it is his recruitment that was wrong.
I believe if he scored a few he could start to score many. But it’s a big ask. The Premier League is unforgiving .

You may well be right. He wasn't good in Germany either.

He did though perform quite well in the CL for Salzburg, even against PL opposition

 

[wolfslair]

Is that a fact?

Dammit, facts on here now. That's being unfair to us.

It is a true fact, I appreciate he his form dropped off a cliff but he is also one of the few who actually gets into positions to finish.

Plus dendonker is the worst finisher by a considerable distance in the squad in my opinion as he misses sitter after sitter and then we seem to get punished not long after as the rest of his game is so lacking.

 

[Sammy Chungs Tracksuit]

Even back in the day when i played if you had a team mate that was **** you would never pass to him, unless the other 10 were marked, and then you'd rather kick it out for a throw in. I guess today is still the same...

I guess with Hwang on one side and Donk on the other Jiminez didnt have any good options as both are ****! Personally I would have gone for the unmarked **** player though.

 

[Ponty]

 

[Fifty Niner]

Wolves ability to turn forward players into goal shy runarounds amazes me. Raul being the exception, of course. And to a certain degree Jota.