Everton, surely a points deduction?

[lets all have a disco]

Any other season and the 10 points would be terminal but this season is so bad down the bottom that they should still be comfortable, they just won’t progress up the table like they were threatening.

This all seems a little too convenient for all parties concerned, I really can’t see how these other three clubs can win a case against them. There are too many variable and what ifs… would be funny though!

Burnley have a great case...the season they cheated, they was relegated....had the punishment happened at the right time Everton should have gone down....

 

[Pagey]

It’s possible that reports the EPL said Everton gained no “sporting advantage” as a result of their breach was worded to help them duck that claim from the three clubs.

Wasn't it worded that they "everton didn't deliberately break the rules to gain a sporting advantage " if so it leaves a lot of grey area.

 

[Darvo]

Wasn't it worded that they "everton didn't deliberately break the rules to gain a sporting advantage " of so it leaves a lot of grey area.

Think it was something like that … so, I guess they must have just ‘slipped‘ or summat.

 

[Saltyjim]

Burnley have a great case...the season they cheated, they was relegated....had the punishment happened at the right time Everton should have gone down....

Not to mention that Burnley ended up selling Tarkowski and O'Neill to Everton, which they probably wouldn't have needed to do if they had stayed up.

 

[Spitfire]

I’d say MP’s have got bigger problems to worry about rather than get involved in this.

Everton points deduction to be heard in Parliament

Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be discussed in Parliament after a Liverpool MP calls the punishment "grossly unfair".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mile End Wanderer]

I’d say MP’s have got bigger problems to worry about rather than get involved in this.

Everton points deduction to be heard in Parliament

Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be discussed in Parliament after a Liverpool MP calls the punishment "grossly unfair".

www.bbc.co.uk

Why is this even happening some MP a crying little Everton fan?

 

[Sussex Wolf]

I’d say MP’s have got bigger problems to worry about rather than get involved in this.

Everton points deduction to be heard in Parliament

Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be discussed in Parliament after a Liverpool MP calls the punishment "grossly unfair".

www.bbc.co.uk

What complete and utter rubbish. Pathetic vote hunting. He can shove his motion where the sun doesn’t shine.

https://x.com/alanmyersmedia/status/1726680753524633804?s=61&t=oHKGj12hVBcK2ZfER6KcNA

 

[WickedWolfie]

Why is this even happening some MP a crying little Everton fan?

Hopefully MPs from Leeds, Leicester, Burnley, Southampton etc will take a contrary view! That would be equally pathetic but also equally merited...

 

[Hot Fuss]

I'm not so confident that either will suffer anything relevant to them except a financial penalty.

Why?

A European and Middle Eastern super league. This will happen way before either Chelsea or Man City find themselves in the dock.

Iv been hearing a European Super League will happen ever since I got into football in the late 80s.

It won’t.

 

[kidder_wolf_II]

Iv been hearing a European Super League will happen ever since I got into football in the late 80s.

It won’t.

Agreed.

The closest we will ever get to a super league is a less open version of the Champions League

 

[Ned]

I’d say MP’s have got bigger problems to worry about rather than get involved in this.

Everton points deduction to be heard in Parliament

Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be discussed in Parliament after a Liverpool MP calls the punishment "grossly unfair".

www.bbc.co.uk

Scousers were never going to just accept this kind of thing, were they? Wouldn’t shock me if the PL apologised, gave them 20 points and £200m towards the new stadium.

 

[Frank Lincoln]

Scousers were never going to just accept this kind of thing, were they? Wouldn’t shock me if the PL apologised, gave them 20 points and £200m towards the new stadium.

Indeed, and then dock Wolves the 10 points because of their complaints about VAR…

 

[WolfLing]

Now blaming Spurs for not paying enough for Richarlison!

 

[WickedWolfie]

Iv been hearing a European Super League will happen ever since I got into football in the late 80s.

It won’t.

The "big clubs" might want it. The TV companies and armchair "fans" might want it. Real match going fans though? Hell no.

 

[wolfslair]

I’d say MP’s have got bigger problems to worry about rather than get involved in this.

Everton points deduction to be heard in Parliament

Everton's 10-point deduction by the Premier League will be discussed in Parliament after a Liverpool MP calls the punishment "grossly unfair".

www.bbc.co.uk

Easy vote winner for the Labour Party in Liverpool and the working class….

No brainier really for a quick win

 

[WickedWolfie]

Easy vote winner for the Labour Party in Liverpool and the working class….

No brainier really for a quick win

Vote loser in Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, Burnley....

 

[wolfslair]

The "big clubs" might want it. The TV companies and armchair "fans" might want it. Real match going fans though? Hell no.

But the international fans who spend loads on merch etc will lap it up….

That was their hope, to milk the international fans as the home fans are spending less and less on match days over the years due to cost of living and budgeting to keep their roof over their head

 

[WickedWolfie]

But the international fans who spend loads on merch etc will lap it up….

That was their hope, to milk the international fans as the home fans are spending less and less on match days over the years due to cost of living and budgeting to keep their roof over their head

True enough. I had the delights of dealing with "Big 6" fans in Ghana. Wore my colours proudly!

 

[wolfslair]

Vote loser in Leeds, Leicester, Southampton, Burnley....

True, but for those who aren’t supporting those clubs and too ignorant to read the facts and only listen to muppet ex pros moan, it will land very very well

 

[SA Wolf]

We already have a 'European Super League'. It's just called (laughingly) 'The Champion's League'. This is as accurate as calling chicken 'buffalo wings', a burglar who doesn't steal felines, a 'cat burglar' or pencil that contain graphite, 'lead pencils'. Nonsense!

 

[Bawtry Wolf]

Now blaming Spurs for not paying enough for Richarlison!

I saw that. Their excuses are wide ranging and pathetic.

Based on that excuse I’d be a multi millionaire but I’m not because my employer doesn’t pay me enough.

 

[WolfLing]

Based on that excuse I’d be a multi millionaire but I’m not because my employer doesn’t pay me enough.

I'm the same! We should start a class-action lawsuit.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I’ve said for months on here that the FA would throw the book at them and make an example to other clubs sailing close to FFP. Everton blatantly disregard the rules, then when scrutinised by the league after covid continued to ignore the warnings so they can’t (or shouldn’t!) argue the punishment. They’re lucky the teams at the bottom are so poor so will stay up despite the deduction.

Im hoping that by being proactive in the summer and getting in front of the curve we can reap the benefits. I think a few clubs will be panicked this summer in to a bit of a fire sale.

 

[Werewolf of Wombourne]

TalkSPORT now reporting the FA may re-open an investigation into the transfer of Jermaine Defoe from Spurs to Portsmouth in 2008. Are the football authorities so terrified of an independent regulator that they are going to investigate everything and everyone?

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I’ve said for months on here that the FA would throw the book at them and make an example to other clubs sailing close to FFP. Everton blatantly disregard the rules, then when scrutinised by the league after covid continued to ignore the warnings so they can’t (or shouldn’t!) argue the punishment. They’re lucky the teams at the bottom are so poor so will stay up despite the deduction.

Im hoping that by being proactive in the summer and getting in front of the curve we can reap the benefits. I think a few clubs will be panicked this summer in to a bit of a fire sale.

I always like to check these claims! Now I feel like you're on the panel!

Personally think they’ll feel the full weight of it. They’ve not just broken the rules they’ve ignored them and smashed way past them. The FA need a scapegoat as a warning to others with the new sustainability rules coming in and they’ll hammer them. 10 point deduction I’d say

 

[Pagey]

Unsure if its already mentioned but Everton will face further sanctions if they don't make 60m profit this season. Oh dear....

Everton could get second Premier League punishment as Aston Villa watch on

Aston Villa and Wolves news as both clubs could see their Premier League rivals dealt another brutal blow by the Premier League

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[WolfLing]

TalkSPORT now reporting the FA may re-open an investigation into the transfer of Jermaine Defoe from Spurs to Portsmouth in 2008. Are the football authorities so terrified of an independent regulator that they are going to investigate everything and everyone?

Harry Redknapp is currently frantically stuffing all his cash into massive suitcases and burying it in his garden.

 

[SteveBullsKnee]

I always like to check these claims! Now I feel like you're on the panel!

I was prepared to die on my sword with it as I was always utterly convinced they’d get more than a slap on the wrist. As I said I’m sure it’s been used as a warning to other clubs. Everton can’t have any complaints as there was a real arrogance as to how blatantly they ignored all the warnings.

 

[Minimalist]

I don’t really have sympathy for Everton, and I actually think the punishment is a bit light if anything.

However it does seem ridiculous that the FA have made these rules without simultaneously making it clear exactly what the punishment would be should a club break them.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Given their losses last season (£44.7m and that's with a £67m contribution from player trading profit), and the season prior (£121.3m), they are presumably going to fall foul of this again having started spending again?

Richarlison's transfer was included in the £67m trading profit above so that leaves just a £45m fee from Gordon in the next accounts to offset any losses.

 

[glorybox]

Unsure if its already mentioned but Everton will face further sanctions if they don't make 60m profit this season. Oh dear....

No doubt they'll delay filing their 2023 accounts

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

Given their losses last season (£44.7m and that's with a £67m contribution from player trading profit), and the season prior (£121.3m), they are presumably going to fall foul of this again having started spending again?

Richarlison's transfer was included in the £67m trading profit above so that leaves just a £45m fee from Gordon in the next accounts to offset any losses.

Same answer as always though, depends how much counts for FFP. In the 3 years to 21/22 their overall losses were
19/20 £139.9m
20/21 £121.3
21/22 £44.7m

Which is why people were talking about it all be a joke and them having lost £300m, when in fact the tribunal found it was about £125m after they'd allowed for covid and permitted expenses like youth and ground investment.

So nobody really know - except you'd hope the PL are making sure they don't, but that's probably optimistic!

 

[WolfLing]

No doubt they'll delay filing their 2023 accounts

There's many cynical manouvres to come yet.....

They appeal the original decision - take it all the way to CAS which will probably take all season, then withdraw appeal if they are more than 10 points from safety.

They delay their accounts and there's a fire-sale in the summer to get all the sale profits into this season's accounts - then they miraculously post a £60m profit to avoid further sanctions. Their players aren't the best and they've already sold most of the silver, but they'd probably be able to raise £100m fairly quickly from the sales of Pickford, Calvert-Lewin, Onana and others.

All this means if they do stay up, they're likely to start next season with a squad devoid of quality, a bunch of kids and Dele Alli, who Spurs insist they pay the full £10m for!

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

I don’t really have sympathy for Everton, and I actually think the punishment is a bit light if anything.

However it does seem ridiculous that the FA have made these rules without simultaneously making it clear exactly what the punishment would be should a club break them.

It's the Premier League, rather than the FA.

But agree it's ridiculous the punishments were left so ambiguous and that the punishment is light.

 

[Sedgley Gold N Black]

Same answer as always though, depends how much counts for FFP. In the 3 years to 21/22 their overall losses were
19/20 £139.9m
20/21 £121.3
21/22 £44.7m

Which is why people were talking about it all be a joke and them having lost £300m, when in fact the tribunal found it was about £125m after they'd allowed for covid and permitted expenses like youth and ground investment.

So nobody really know - except you'd hope the PL are making sure they don't, but that's probably optimistic!

Yeah that is true, although I suspect a bigger proportion of their COVID allowable losses roll off with 19/20 than with some other clubs given their accounting period is 1st July-30th June.

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

There's many cynical manouvres to come yet.....

They appeal the original decision - take it all the way to CAS which will probably take all season, then withdraw appeal if they are more than 10 points from safety.

They delay their accounts and there's a fire-sale in the summer to get all the sale profits into this season's accounts - then they miraculously post a £60m profit to avoid further sanctions. Their players aren't the best and they've already sold most of the silver, but they'd probably be able to raise £100m fairly quickly from the sales of Pickford, Calvert-Lewin, Onana and others.

All this means if they do stay up, they're likely to start next season with a squad devoid of quality, a bunch of kids and Dele Alli, who Spurs insist they pay the full £10m for!

That seems a bit cynical in itself to be honest.

They have appealed and presumably can go all the way to CAS, but they've still got a 10 point deduction live now. The PL supposedly made a rule (after the charges) that it would be 6pts +1 for every £5m in breach, so I can't see the deduction being increased. They can sell the whole squad tomorrow (well January) and it won't sort out their next problem of the 22/23 accounts. However the PL are negligent thesmelves if they've allowed another breach, Everton have been very stingy though, even Beto they've somehow managed to get for free this season. The compo might kill them though!

 

[WolfLing]

That seems a bit cynical in itself to be honest.

They have appealed and presumably can go all the way to CAS, but they've still got a 10 point deduction live now. The PL supposedly made a rule (after the charges) that it would be 6pts +1 for every £5m in breach, so I can't see the deduction being increased. They can sell the whole squad tomorrow (well January) and it won't sort out their next problem of the 22/23 accounts. However the PL are negligent thesmelves if they've allowed another breach, Everton have been very stingy though, even Beto they've somehow managed to get for free this season. The compo might kill them though!

I think any further punishment would be due to a new breach relating to this season's accounts.

Sadly, that's the cynical world we live in. Lawyers trying to make the best of a bad situation by playing the game.

Assuming Everton can afford to pay lawyers that is? Probably using a no-win/no-fee one!

 

[SingYourHeartsOut]

I think any further punishment would be due to a new breach relating to this season's accounts.

Sadly, that's the cynical world we live in. Lawyers trying to make the best of a bad situation by playing the game.

Assuming Everton can afford to pay lawyers that is? Probably using a no-win/no-fee one!

Yes, I mean potentially 10 points stands, then they get another 10 for doing it again, the £200m in compensation pushes them into administration and they get another 9. They might even go down then!

 

[WolfLing]

Yes, I mean potentially 10 points stands, then they get another 10 for doing it again, the £200m in compensation pushes them into administration and they get another 9. They might even go down then!

I'm not saying the 10 points is too much, far from it, but it is very odd how spending too much/having losses above the limits has led to a more severe points penalty than the 9 points for going into administration.

Perhaps admin should equal more?

 

[wolfgar]

It's hard to feel much sympathy for Everton really? I thought they'd walk off with a slap on the wrists, but when you read how much they took the ****, a 10pt deduction in a season where 3 teams might struggle to break 25 points is a pretty nice touch of luck I'd say?

I'm seeing lots of fans on twitter saying 'but what about City?' which is a much bigger and much more complex case, but if you simply look at Evertons behvaiour in pure isolation, they can have no complaints really? If they manage to get away without being sued and even get one or two points knocked off on appeal they should really be laughing?