Henry & Mancienne.

[PREM.L.L]

It may seem a bit of a simplistic view, but do we need both? For me they tend to do the same thing. Fair enough if you're trying to hang on but we need results.

Don't know who I'd prefer, going on recent form, probably Henry.

[mikic]

Absolutely. MM is not a very effective midfielder player full stop and has been very poor for the last few games. I'd drop him from the team personally

[glasgowwolf]

They are doing different jobs. Mancienne is supposed to be getting the ball down and using his passing, breaking up play by spead and reading the game.
Henry is doing the tackling box to box job.

It's not mick's fault that Mancienne keeps heading the ball instead of controlling it and passing the $$$$ing thing

[Jameswwfc]

Henry does a good job as a defensive midfielder when we play 4-4-2 so surely he can be trusted enough to do it on his own if we have 3 in the middle of midfield. You play 5 in midfield to keep it tighter and that you can keep the ball abit easier. For me it should be henry, milijas and surman/the new lad.

[Jack]

No we don't need both and If I had to choose one it would be Karl Henry hands down.

[UNCLE REMUS]

Originally Posted by glasgowwolf

They are doing different jobs. Mancienne is supposed to be getting the ball down and using his passing, breaking up play by spead and reading the game.
Henry is doing the tackling box to box job.

It's not mick's fault that Mancienne keeps heading the ball instead of controlling it and passing the $$$$ing thing

Glasgow! agreed.

But I thought Henry was slow on the uptake several times yesterday.

[wolvo_boi]

Take out Mancienne and that leaves Henry to sit back and not get forward and he has been playing well when he is allowed to get forward.

Was impressed with that Algerian lad, how about we play with 2 box to box players in Henry and the Algerian with Jones slightly further forward. We need to start winning games so instead of always having 1 staying back in either Mancienne or Henry how about we all push forward??? I mean we have Foley in the Midfield aswell!!!

[MonkeySpanner]

Henry is head and sholders a much better player than Mancienne. Chelsea are having a laugh if they think Mancienne is worth five mill or above. He is no center back and is not as good as Henry as a defencive midfielder. Will be very upset if Wolves spend big money on him after not going after quality players we needed pre - season.

[SaleWolf]

Originally Posted by glasgowwolf

It's not mick's fault that Mancienne keeps heading the ball instead of controlling it and passing the $$$$ing thing

Who trains him then? Krusty the Clown!

[freezin]

We were an infinately better team when Mancienne was dropped earlier on in the season (Berra / Craddock defensive partnership flourished) it just seems to me that Mick's trying to accomodate him.

The lads first touch is one of the worst ive ever seen.

Coincidentally our ealier form picked up when Ward came back into the team also.

For my money were too 1 dimensional everything goes out wide and, although Jarvis is up there in the opta stats for crosses into the box not many of them are of much quality... the ones that have quality are usually wasted because the rest of the midfield are too pedestrian to keep up.

We need a bit more controlled aggression/ urgency in the middle. Im hoping Guedioura will bring to us what Diamante brings to West Ham... And im hoping its at the expense of Mancienne.

[andy-in-seat-190]

Originally Posted by SaleWolf

Who trains him then? Krusty the Clown!

Might as well be!

[DJW]

I have always thought Mancienne was rubbish, and been banging head against a wall thinking i was the only one who felt this way as poster after poster creamed themselves over his every move. He is a boy in a mans game and we would improve as a team by a great margin if we sent him back. Just because he comes from Chelsea does not mean he must be great, remember the storey about the Kings new clothes. The fact that he was in the England team was a scandal, i would be investigating the betting patterns prior to his inclusion in the squad.

[thekentwolf]

Liverpool play with two defensive midfielders. If Henry and Mancienne play, Mijas must play just in front, with two attacking players on the left and right. Trouble is we dont have that many creative/attacking players.

[DJW]

Originally Posted by thekentwolf

Liverpool play with two defensive midfielders. If Henry and Mancienne play, Mijas must play just in front, with two attacking players on the left and right. Trouble is we dont have that many creative/attacking players.

See my team sheet v Spurs, but swap Mancienne with iether Cassillo or Belgium. I then agree with your post

[Lou Pine]

Originally Posted by thekentwolf

Liverpool play with two defensive midfielders. If Henry and Mancienne play, Mijas must play just in front, with two attacking players on the left and right. Trouble is we dont have that many creative/attacking players.

Attacking width is the key else 5 midfielders becomes very pedestrian, as it is with us currently. Unfortunately until Kightly gets back (and who knows how long it'll take him get up to speed) we don't have this width. I think its time we sacrificed Mancienne (not literally) and gave this new fella from Belgium a chance.

[glasgowwolf]

Originally Posted by Lou Pine

Attacking width is the key else 5 midfielders becomes very pedestrian, as it is with us currently. Unfortunately until Kightly gets back (and who knows how long it'll take him get up to speed) we don't have this width. I think its time we sacrificed Mancienne (not literally) and gave this new fella from Belgium a chance.

problem is pace.
Without Kightly, Keogh, Edwards our right hand side / attacking options are too slow infact our central midfield lacks pace as well, Milijas is one of the slowest players I have seen.

We cannot attack with the sort of pace we did last year.

[jrwolves]

I'd love to see this


Milijas. Jones
Henry

but I don't think Mick will put in 2 left footers

[Chiswick_Wolf]

Originally Posted by jrwolves

I'd love to see this


Milijas. Jones
Henry

but I don't think Mick will put in 2 left footers

I wouldn't. I'd dread to think of the ground Henry would have to cover whilst the other two amble around.

I'd have no problem in playing Henry and Mancienne in a 4-4-2 with flying wingers on both sides. Problem is we're not and as a result we have just one creative outlet (Jarvis) which can very easily be shut down.

[OLDGOLD]

I think you are doing Jones a bit of a disservice here. Although was taken off yesterday before being sent off.

[justfriggin]

I thought Belge played a good little cameo. Attacks the ball well. Isn't shot shy. His shot over the bar was mightely close from where I sat. I'd play him. I need someone who can bridge the gap to lonesome Doyle.

[Jameswwfc]

Originally Posted by Chiswick_Wolf

I wouldn't. I'd dread to think of the ground Henry would have to cover whilst the other two amble around.

I'd have no problem in playing Henry and Mancienne in a 4-4-2 with flying wingers on both sides. Problem is we're not and as a result we have just one creative outlet (Jarvis) which can very easily be shut down.

Its only the same as henry playing in a 4-4-2 as the only defensive midfielder like he has done. Lets $$$$in attack sides, whats there to lose.

[OldWolvesfart]

I also think Mancienne is part of the problem. His best moments are when he's on a forward run but he gets caught out to often at the back and spends far to much time playing poor head tennis. To be fair the team plays to much up in the air football and instead of bringing the ball down and controlling seem happy to keep up the head tennis. Lets hope Guedioura continues to improve and one of our other front men hits some form as Doyle badly needs support.

[Barracudawolf]

Playing both those and Foley in any midfield is a bit of a joke tbh