Dougan was king
12-05-2006, 17:21
Could be a possibility if Coates take over again - was Moxey not his man
We can only hope.
We can only hope.
View Full Version : Moxey To Return To Stoke
Flitwick Wolf
12-05-2006, 17:40
More chance of me shaggi*g Maggie Thatcher tonight.
Edit - for those who aren't sure, I want to keep John Mosely.
Edit - for those who aren't sure, I want to keep John Mosely.
Big Mack
12-05-2006, 17:44
Think it would be a backward step. No one coming in would suddenly be given a mega budget to play with.
HIGHLANDER
12-05-2006, 18:33
He's fat,we're broke,lets send him back to Stoke jez Moxey Jez Moxey
Wolfman jack
12-05-2006, 19:40
What the chuff has JM done wrong? Why does everyone slag him off? Last season, a lad I didn't recognise sitting in front of me in the SC, stood up with his arms raised chanting "If you all hate moxey, clap your hands". When i asked him why he hated JM, he smiled and said "I dunno". Confused? I am.
Please respond.
Please respond.
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 19:42
Moxey appears to be very good at what he does. Seems a very shrewd negotiator. He'd done nothing wrong. He communicates well with the fans and if he gets big money with the Lescott transfer then he deserves a pat on the back.
If he left, we would be very exposed- is there anyone better out there?? Wouldnt have thought so
If he left, we would be very exposed- is there anyone better out there?? Wouldnt have thought so
HIGHLANDER
12-05-2006, 19:51
What the chuff has JM done wrong?Are you another one that has been living on Mars for the past 5 years?
wolfan
12-05-2006, 19:56
He communicates well with the fans
Very debatable
and if he gets big money with the Lescott transfer then he deserves a pat on the back.
What, for getting a few clubs to outbid each other? It's hardly that much of an achievement.
Not that I'm one to have a go at Moxey for anything and everything, but the love in for him is embarrassing. Despite him being in the post for 7? years now, we're still losing money hand over fist. We've got a wage bill out of control, he's let the manager make major purchases that he doesn't approve of, and then gone on to publically undermine him, before embarrassingly back tracking. There's not a club in the land who takes so ridiculously long in making transfers as us. As much as Hoddles brand of football, he's helped play a part in alienating the fan base to a point of apathy never experienced before, and to top it all off we're now on the pitch looking to have taken a major step backwards from where we were when he arrived. He might not be the all seeing evil that some would have you believe, but lets keep his tenure in perspective.
Very debatable
and if he gets big money with the Lescott transfer then he deserves a pat on the back.
What, for getting a few clubs to outbid each other? It's hardly that much of an achievement.
Not that I'm one to have a go at Moxey for anything and everything, but the love in for him is embarrassing. Despite him being in the post for 7? years now, we're still losing money hand over fist. We've got a wage bill out of control, he's let the manager make major purchases that he doesn't approve of, and then gone on to publically undermine him, before embarrassingly back tracking. There's not a club in the land who takes so ridiculously long in making transfers as us. As much as Hoddles brand of football, he's helped play a part in alienating the fan base to a point of apathy never experienced before, and to top it all off we're now on the pitch looking to have taken a major step backwards from where we were when he arrived. He might not be the all seeing evil that some would have you believe, but lets keep his tenure in perspective.
Hatch End Wolf
12-05-2006, 19:57
Moxey communicates with the fans the way Tony Blair communicates with the population of GB!
Spin, lies, contempt!!
Spin, lies, contempt!!
Wolfman jack
12-05-2006, 20:01
Are you another one that has been living on Mars for the past 5 years?
No. What has he done wrong ? He has supported his managers financially to waste all our clubs money. You could argue he has appointed (with others) the wrong managers, but apart from that, he has cut the clubs cloth to suit.
I don't have any feelings either way, TBH. I just don't get the venom directed towards him.
I do understand, however that every club needs a scapegoat.
No. What has he done wrong ? He has supported his managers financially to waste all our clubs money. You could argue he has appointed (with others) the wrong managers, but apart from that, he has cut the clubs cloth to suit.
I don't have any feelings either way, TBH. I just don't get the venom directed towards him.
I do understand, however that every club needs a scapegoat.
Hatch End Wolf
12-05-2006, 20:37
Scapegoats? there are that many candidates it's hard to choose.
However, we're a club with 25,000+ paying fans ( ok, not with Hodgod's brand of football ), who have had a mad benefactor throwing money at the club for a number of years and have still only managed to get into the Premiership once.
There should be a TV programme about the Wolves. Try, " How not to run a football club!".
However, we're a club with 25,000+ paying fans ( ok, not with Hodgod's brand of football ), who have had a mad benefactor throwing money at the club for a number of years and have still only managed to get into the Premiership once.
There should be a TV programme about the Wolves. Try, " How not to run a football club!".
dazmanwolf
12-05-2006, 21:58
More chance of me shaggi*g Maggie Thatcher tonight.
Edit - for those who aren't sure, I want to keep John Mosely.
MMMMMMMMMM Keep going! ;)
Edit - for those who aren't sure, I want to keep John Mosely.
MMMMMMMMMM Keep going! ;)
EasternWolf
12-05-2006, 22:03
This is bull$$$$. The club is financially stable thanks to Jez Moxey. You will not get a better negotiator than him. Just because he doesn't get $$$$ed around by managers and underperforming big time charlies you lot are on his backs - with a few notable exceptions.
ooh la la
12-05-2006, 22:16
He's fat,we're broke,lets send him back to Stoke jez Moxey Jez Moxey
That's funny! Mind you...he's done his job well I think, AND I think he would like to see Goddle gone but has gotten over ruled by his nibs and the board who don't wan't to pay him any money. This brings me back to a question I posed a coupld of weeks ago, why have we not told Twoddle his contract is up in a years time?
That's funny! Mind you...he's done his job well I think, AND I think he would like to see Goddle gone but has gotten over ruled by his nibs and the board who don't wan't to pay him any money. This brings me back to a question I posed a coupld of weeks ago, why have we not told Twoddle his contract is up in a years time?
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 22:24
I hope not. I ordered extra pork ribs from Kirks.
John
12-05-2006, 22:41
. You will not get a better negotiator than him. .
Oh no?
Oh no?
WorcesterWolf
12-05-2006, 22:59
I wonder how far Jack Mosslee would have got on The Apprentice.
If you look on here http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWhoDetail/0,,10307,00.html
You will find out many an interesting fact about Jeff including he used to be a former u21 England Basketball player and he's married to "American Born 'Babette'".
If you look on here http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/WhosWhoDetail/0,,10307,00.html
You will find out many an interesting fact about Jeff including he used to be a former u21 England Basketball player and he's married to "American Born 'Babette'".
It's Mixu Paatelainen
12-05-2006, 23:12
It's thanks to Moxey's background in business that he could see that ITV Digital would go tits-up and did not budget to recieve any money from it. This undoubtedly saved us from the financial troubles so many other clubs are in after budgeting for ITVD money and not receiving it.
HazelGroveWolf
12-05-2006, 23:15
fat Chance
Admin - why can't I post the whole of the above in capital letters ? Clever dick software decides to tolower(x) random characters.
Admin - why can't I post the whole of the above in capital letters ? Clever dick software decides to tolower(x) random characters.
Black Suit
12-05-2006, 23:15
What the chuff has JM done wrong? Why does everyone slag him off? Last season, a lad I didn't recognise sitting in front of me in the SC, stood up with his arms raised chanting "If you all hate moxey, clap your hands". When i asked him why he hated JM, he smiled and said "I dunno". Confused? I am.
Please respond.
Going back a bit now but you did ask..............
BLACK SUIT ON MOXEY
I'm afraid HGW that I am with the Reverend on this one. As CEO of this club we adore, he has overseen some woeful business strategies, transactions and policies. I hope DJ is interviewed soon, so that he can blow the lid off Moxey's 'holier than thou' stance.
DJ and his team created a wish list of players they wanted to sign, for 'he of the pie' to go and negotiate terms. So essentially, it JM himself that overspent as DJ was never allowed to negotiate fees and salaries. I would also like to know a little more about who was on the wish list versus who we actually signed, as the wrong mix from that wish list could be disastrous - like missing a key ingredient from a recipe.
BTW, I certainly do not lay all the blame at JM's door here, but after 26/5 as the summer went on, I bet DJ was almost grateful just to see any new faces at all. There has been public recognition about the lack of support two years ago, moreso from SJH and Rick (one R5 Live interview in particular). Without the budget to spend at that time, DJ had to look at the bargain 'Bosmans' until the paying public got restless and suddenly we managed to panic buy another overpriced 'star'.
Then of course he oversaw the exodus of players who were frustrated at the Contract Negotiations being left to the close season. Negotiations could have taken which division we were going to be in, into consideration. Instead we lost some players very cheaply indeed, with the false economy of 'cutting our cloth' when we had to pay transfer fees for their replacements!
The way he has endeared himself to the supporters is stunning. I realise that there are supporters across the whole UK that criticise their board, but as CEO he runs the ship, if he doesn't he is not CEO. He will point to sound decisions that have raised money for the club, like the premium rate ticket hotlines, the sponsorships, the kit (quality and brand , let alone a shocking design, peeling logos etc).
Le Coq Sportif is a brand that enjoyed it's peak many moons ago, it is permanently on the 'Sale' racks at JJB. One of the more popular brands; Nike, Adidas, moreso than Umbro, would probably have lead to more replica sales albeit on a lower margin - especially on the training wear side, tracksuits, rainjackets, boots and trainers even! The supprters were given a choice of the design of the shirt, and there was a clear winner - the actual shirt bears little resemblance really due to the amount of black material, though the blue away shirt does. Design is important - the gold shirt is poor, bland.
The tat in the club shop is embarrassing at times, the quality and value for money for the Christmas stocking fillers should have found themselves onto BBC1's Watchdog!
The protracted recruitment campaign that lead to Hoddle being appointed - another farce! Especially with the 6 month contract, wanted by Hoddle so I understand, a sign of desperation as several targets turned Wolves down. He is the boss, he has to take the blame, even if DJ failed in his role towards the end Moxey is the boss - he has the ultimate responsibility. Had they no idea who they wanted as a Manager? Apparently not! We weren't recruiting a salesman, where we could go through the usual selection interview process. New managers are usually headhunted you embarrassing prat, and this process can start before the removal of the previous incumbent.
He is oh so very lucky that Wolves fans are so loyal, otherwise the income stream could have all but disappeared at some clubs. The supporters have been very tolerant indeed, but just look at how many of the MM members who are not renewing this season!
And finally......
The mixed messages coming from the board about 'are we for sale or not', the Camara saga in both transfer windows (taking attention away from thelack of incoming activity, serving as the perfect smokescreen). JM spent a great deal of time milking a reported additional £100,000 from the loan of the Rat, while the club was in desperate need of additions to the squad.
In his post Wolves days, when he has been found out or he chooses to jump ship, I cannot see him joining a top club can you? Go soon Jez please, and why do you insist on using a nickname? Grow up. Whether or not he is directly responsible for all of the above, we'll never be totally sure - but he is in charge - so he takes the responsibility.
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Please respond.
Going back a bit now but you did ask..............
BLACK SUIT ON MOXEY
I'm afraid HGW that I am with the Reverend on this one. As CEO of this club we adore, he has overseen some woeful business strategies, transactions and policies. I hope DJ is interviewed soon, so that he can blow the lid off Moxey's 'holier than thou' stance.
DJ and his team created a wish list of players they wanted to sign, for 'he of the pie' to go and negotiate terms. So essentially, it JM himself that overspent as DJ was never allowed to negotiate fees and salaries. I would also like to know a little more about who was on the wish list versus who we actually signed, as the wrong mix from that wish list could be disastrous - like missing a key ingredient from a recipe.
BTW, I certainly do not lay all the blame at JM's door here, but after 26/5 as the summer went on, I bet DJ was almost grateful just to see any new faces at all. There has been public recognition about the lack of support two years ago, moreso from SJH and Rick (one R5 Live interview in particular). Without the budget to spend at that time, DJ had to look at the bargain 'Bosmans' until the paying public got restless and suddenly we managed to panic buy another overpriced 'star'.
Then of course he oversaw the exodus of players who were frustrated at the Contract Negotiations being left to the close season. Negotiations could have taken which division we were going to be in, into consideration. Instead we lost some players very cheaply indeed, with the false economy of 'cutting our cloth' when we had to pay transfer fees for their replacements!
The way he has endeared himself to the supporters is stunning. I realise that there are supporters across the whole UK that criticise their board, but as CEO he runs the ship, if he doesn't he is not CEO. He will point to sound decisions that have raised money for the club, like the premium rate ticket hotlines, the sponsorships, the kit (quality and brand , let alone a shocking design, peeling logos etc).
Le Coq Sportif is a brand that enjoyed it's peak many moons ago, it is permanently on the 'Sale' racks at JJB. One of the more popular brands; Nike, Adidas, moreso than Umbro, would probably have lead to more replica sales albeit on a lower margin - especially on the training wear side, tracksuits, rainjackets, boots and trainers even! The supprters were given a choice of the design of the shirt, and there was a clear winner - the actual shirt bears little resemblance really due to the amount of black material, though the blue away shirt does. Design is important - the gold shirt is poor, bland.
The tat in the club shop is embarrassing at times, the quality and value for money for the Christmas stocking fillers should have found themselves onto BBC1's Watchdog!
The protracted recruitment campaign that lead to Hoddle being appointed - another farce! Especially with the 6 month contract, wanted by Hoddle so I understand, a sign of desperation as several targets turned Wolves down. He is the boss, he has to take the blame, even if DJ failed in his role towards the end Moxey is the boss - he has the ultimate responsibility. Had they no idea who they wanted as a Manager? Apparently not! We weren't recruiting a salesman, where we could go through the usual selection interview process. New managers are usually headhunted you embarrassing prat, and this process can start before the removal of the previous incumbent.
He is oh so very lucky that Wolves fans are so loyal, otherwise the income stream could have all but disappeared at some clubs. The supporters have been very tolerant indeed, but just look at how many of the MM members who are not renewing this season!
And finally......
The mixed messages coming from the board about 'are we for sale or not', the Camara saga in both transfer windows (taking attention away from thelack of incoming activity, serving as the perfect smokescreen). JM spent a great deal of time milking a reported additional £100,000 from the loan of the Rat, while the club was in desperate need of additions to the squad.
In his post Wolves days, when he has been found out or he chooses to jump ship, I cannot see him joining a top club can you? Go soon Jez please, and why do you insist on using a nickname? Grow up. Whether or not he is directly responsible for all of the above, we'll never be totally sure - but he is in charge - so he takes the responsibility.
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TheDarkside
12-05-2006, 23:31
It's thanks to Moxey's background in business that he could see that ITV Digital would go tits-up and did not budget to recieve any money from it. This undoubtedly saved us from the financial troubles so many other clubs are in after budgeting for ITVD money and not receiving it.
Yeah, Leeds and Watford to name but two.
Yeah, Leeds and Watford to name but two.
Black Suit
12-05-2006, 23:34
This is bull$$$$. The club is financially stable thanks to Jez Moxey. You will not get a better negotiator than him. Just because he doesn't get $$$$ed around by managers and underperforming big time charlies you lot are on his backs - with a few notable exceptions.
Total cr4p. The club is stable due to SJH writing off the debt.
Total cr4p. The club is stable due to SJH writing off the debt.
Black Suit
12-05-2006, 23:36
It's thanks to Moxey's background in business that he could see that ITV Digital would go tits-up and did not budget to recieve any money from it. This undoubtedly saved us from the financial troubles so many other clubs are in after budgeting for ITVD money and not receiving it.
Tell me more. Did he state this before ITV Digital went tits-up? I would be very impressed.
Tell me more. Did he state this before ITV Digital went tits-up? I would be very impressed.
HazelGroveWolf
12-05-2006, 23:39
Le Coq Sportif is a brand that enjoyed it's peak many moons ago, it is permanently on the 'Sale' racks at JJB. One of the more popular brands; Nike, Adidas, moreso than Umbro...
Sorry BS but I've noted a less than anger managment tone of late, calm down.
Why get upset about a brand, if you take the fashionable brand then it demonstrates sheepishness. Products should always be more important than brands.
Once apon a time people used to buy goods based on the reputation of the 'make' when the branded manufacturer really paid the wages of the the people making that product. Now it is down to which Chinese/Indian sweat shop can provide the Tesco shelf stacking fodder we require.
Anyone who is clothing brand conscious to the point of making it important really needs to get a life.
Sorry BS but I've noted a less than anger managment tone of late, calm down.
Why get upset about a brand, if you take the fashionable brand then it demonstrates sheepishness. Products should always be more important than brands.
Once apon a time people used to buy goods based on the reputation of the 'make' when the branded manufacturer really paid the wages of the the people making that product. Now it is down to which Chinese/Indian sweat shop can provide the Tesco shelf stacking fodder we require.
Anyone who is clothing brand conscious to the point of making it important really needs to get a life.
wolfan
12-05-2006, 23:42
This is bull$$$$. The club is financially stable thanks to Jez Moxey. You will not get a better negotiator than him. Just because he doesn't get $$$$ed around by managers and underperforming big time charlies you lot are on his backs - with a few notable exceptions.
Total cr4p. The club is stable due to SJH writing off the debt.
Quite, the man who was bought in to save money and get the finances stable, has years later still seen the club still losing millions and having to go through a major restructure because we've blown all our money 6 months before the inevitable.
Total cr4p. The club is stable due to SJH writing off the debt.
Quite, the man who was bought in to save money and get the finances stable, has years later still seen the club still losing millions and having to go through a major restructure because we've blown all our money 6 months before the inevitable.
Black Suit
12-05-2006, 23:49
Sorry BS but I've noted a less than anger managment tone of late, calm down.
Why get upset about a brand, if you take the fashionable brand then it demonstrates sheepishness. Products should always be more important than brands.
Once apon a time people used to buy goods based on the reputation of the 'make' when the branded manufacturer really paid the wages of the the people making that product. Now it is down to which Chinese/Indian sweat shop can provide the Tesco shelf stacking fodder we require.
Anyone who is clothing brand conscious to the point of making it important really needs to get a life.
Happy to continue arguing the point HGW. Nothing has changed, other than us losing more members/STHs dissatisfied with the club and its management.
Why get upset about a brand, if you take the fashionable brand then it demonstrates sheepishness. Products should always be more important than brands.
Once apon a time people used to buy goods based on the reputation of the 'make' when the branded manufacturer really paid the wages of the the people making that product. Now it is down to which Chinese/Indian sweat shop can provide the Tesco shelf stacking fodder we require.
Anyone who is clothing brand conscious to the point of making it important really needs to get a life.
Happy to continue arguing the point HGW. Nothing has changed, other than us losing more members/STHs dissatisfied with the club and its management.
HazelGroveWolf
13-05-2006, 00:07
Happy to continue arguing the point HGW. Nothing has changed, other than us losing more members/STHs dissatisfied with the club and its management.
Perhaps that is the point some people have lost touch with the concept of competition. Some daft idea that investment means success.
Perhaps that is the point some people have lost touch with the concept of competition. Some daft idea that investment means success.
Black Suit
13-05-2006, 00:12
Perhaps that is the point some people have lost touch with the concept of competition. Some daft idea that investment means success.
I'm talking about the lads & lassies on MM over the years Hazel, not just the glory hunters that came aboard when things started to look rosy. Wise investment should mean an element of success, depending on the disposable income amongst your competitors, of course.
I'm talking about the lads & lassies on MM over the years Hazel, not just the glory hunters that came aboard when things started to look rosy. Wise investment should mean an element of success, depending on the disposable income amongst your competitors, of course.
Spa Wolf
13-05-2006, 00:20
Perhaps that is the point some people have lost touch with the concept of competition. Some daft idea that investment means success.
Are you talking about Jack Hayward here or Moxey...?
Are you talking about Jack Hayward here or Moxey...?
HazelGroveWolf
13-05-2006, 00:33
Are you talking about Jack Hayward here or Moxey...?
Neither. I was talking about the fair weather folk who withdraw their 'support' when things aren't going quite how they would like.
Neither. I was talking about the fair weather folk who withdraw their 'support' when things aren't going quite how they would like.
Captainwolf
13-05-2006, 10:50
Whenever the reference is made to the club cutting its cloth to suit, I can't helping picturing JM and thinking that perhaps it's time for a leaner CEO?
HIGHLANDER
13-05-2006, 11:50
Neither. I was talking about the fair weather folk who withdraw their 'support' when things aren't going quite how they would like.I think fans are more likely to withdraw their support more quickly these days because of what football has become.
Football is now is now purely a business and like any other business that produces a c**p product,people are not prepared to buy it as much, or at all.
I think it is obsene what players and administrators get paid in football.How can Jez Moxey be worth £350,000 a year when he has failed so miserably in his job? How can Mark Kennedy be worth £19,000 a week ? How can Hoddle be worth what ever he reputedly gets?and if Anderton is getting paid over £200 a week he is robbing us in my opinion.
It makes my blood boil when I realise that at a large part of the £3-4,000 a year ,I can't afford,I now spend following Wolves ends up in these good for nothing muppets pockets.If they were successful in their jobs and filling the ground each week, I wouldn't begrudge them a single penny of what they earn.
The reasons above are why fans are more likely to be fair weather these days and withdraw their support.I'm afraid support these days is no longer unconditional.
Football is now is now purely a business and like any other business that produces a c**p product,people are not prepared to buy it as much, or at all.
I think it is obsene what players and administrators get paid in football.How can Jez Moxey be worth £350,000 a year when he has failed so miserably in his job? How can Mark Kennedy be worth £19,000 a week ? How can Hoddle be worth what ever he reputedly gets?and if Anderton is getting paid over £200 a week he is robbing us in my opinion.
It makes my blood boil when I realise that at a large part of the £3-4,000 a year ,I can't afford,I now spend following Wolves ends up in these good for nothing muppets pockets.If they were successful in their jobs and filling the ground each week, I wouldn't begrudge them a single penny of what they earn.
The reasons above are why fans are more likely to be fair weather these days and withdraw their support.I'm afraid support these days is no longer unconditional.
