Rocky_Balllboa
12-05-2006, 11:11
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_1220312,00.html
4 Premiershp clubs, now Spanish too!
4 Premiershp clubs, now Spanish too!
View Full Version : Race for Lescott hots up
wolf of sedgley
12-05-2006, 11:14
Start bidding at £6m.
danhlibertine
12-05-2006, 11:20
Hopefully a Russian club owned by one of Abramovich's poorer mates is interested, and Abramovich will pay silly money for him and loan him straight out again, like with Smertin :) :)
Bill McCai
12-05-2006, 11:25
If he is to be sold, the more interst the better as far as pushing up the price goes. Would people prefer a pure cash sale, or part exchange deals? I'm not sure, given Hoddles record of spending money and if we could get a Lee Carsley or a couple of those Brazillians from Seville;) it may be beneficial to go down that route…
AndyP
12-05-2006, 11:29
If he is to be sold, the more interst the better as far as pushing up the price goes. Would people prefer a pure cash sale, or part exchange deals? I'm not sure, given Hoddles record of spending money and if we could get a Lee Carsley or a couple of those Brazillians from Seville;) it may be beneficial to go down that route…
I'd settle for 2 million plus Jesus Navas, then again..... Hoddle doesnt do wingers!!
I'd settle for 2 million plus Jesus Navas, then again..... Hoddle doesnt do wingers!!
fenella
12-05-2006, 11:34
I really couldn't give a furk how much we get for Lescott because none of the money will be given to Hoddle for transfers. A big transfer fee will just result in idiots on MM banging on about what a wonderful job Moxey does and how much he deserves his 350k a year salary. Oooh, Moxey is great, we have no players and our ticket prices almost the highest in the division but we're financially stable, give him a bonus.
Deutsch Wolf
12-05-2006, 12:19
I really couldn't give a furk how much we get for Lescott because none of the money will be given to Hoddle for transfers. A big transfer fee will just result in idiots on MM banging on about what a wonderful job Moxey does and how much he deserves his 350k a year salary. Oooh, Moxey is great, we have no players and our ticket prices almost the highest in the division but we're financially stable, give him a bonus.
Fine, let's just sell him for £1m and have done with it.
What a $$$$$ing stupid thing to say.
Fine, let's just sell him for £1m and have done with it.
What a $$$$$ing stupid thing to say.
fenella
12-05-2006, 14:23
What a $$$$$ing stupid thing to say.
No it isn't. What is stupid is discussing what players we are going to buy with the proceeds.
No it isn't. What is stupid is discussing what players we are going to buy with the proceeds.
I.D.
12-05-2006, 14:25
What is stupid is reading past the first post when it has a link to Teamtalk, once a reputable web site and now reduced to the level of the Sun newspaper.
Deutsch Wolf
12-05-2006, 14:27
I don't dispute that, I'm well aware that all but a very small portion of the Lescott fee will be used to service the loss of revenue and continued high wage bill.
It's stupid to suggest that it doesn't matter what fee we get because we're not going to spend any of it anyway.
It's stupid to suggest that it doesn't matter what fee we get because we're not going to spend any of it anyway.
Bill McCai
12-05-2006, 14:28
"Its all history now"
Spa Wolf
12-05-2006, 14:29
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4765627.stm
It seems Everton are preparing a bid.
teamtalk has always been akin to the sun newspaper. I've never taken anything written on there seriously.
It seems Everton are preparing a bid.
teamtalk has always been akin to the sun newspaper. I've never taken anything written on there seriously.
fenella
12-05-2006, 14:31
I don't dispute that, I'm well aware that all but a very small portion of the Lescott fee will be used to service the loss of revenue and continued high wage bill.
It's stupid to suggest that it doesn't matter what fee we get because we're not going to spend any of it anyway.
I didn't say it didn't matter, I said I didn't give a $$$$$$. It makes me angry that we're in the process of selling our best player, and a player that came through the youth setup, and we're not going to replace him, and the majority of people on here are discussing it like its a GOOD thing. I cannot see anything good about the situation, and its been brought about by total mis-management by the same people that are currently doing the negotiations.
It's stupid to suggest that it doesn't matter what fee we get because we're not going to spend any of it anyway.
I didn't say it didn't matter, I said I didn't give a $$$$$$. It makes me angry that we're in the process of selling our best player, and a player that came through the youth setup, and we're not going to replace him, and the majority of people on here are discussing it like its a GOOD thing. I cannot see anything good about the situation, and its been brought about by total mis-management by the same people that are currently doing the negotiations.
Bill McCai
12-05-2006, 14:32
I didn't say it didn't matter, I said I didn't give a $$$$$$. It makes me angry that we're in the process of selling our best player, and a player that came through the youth setup, and we're not going to replace him, and the majority of people on here are discussing it like its a GOOD thing. I cannot see anything good about the situation, and its been brought about by total mis-management by the same people that are currently doing the negotiations.
I said this the other day, but apparently it’s a foregone conclusion.
I said this the other day, but apparently it’s a foregone conclusion.
Essex Wolf
12-05-2006, 14:37
I really couldn't give a furk how much we get for Lescott because none of the money will be given to Hoddle for transfers. A big transfer fee will just result in idiots on MM banging on about what a wonderful job Moxey does and how much he deserves his 350k a year salary. Oooh, Moxey is great, we have no players and our ticket prices almost the highest in the division but we're financially stable, give him a bonus.
So where are you suggesting the money will go then Fenella?
This question/issue usually gets some debate going. If Lescott is sold for a decent figure then I see no reason now why the manager should not get a fair lump for improving the squad.
A few days ago I was of the opinion that should Wolves get say £4M then GH may get a quarter of that but when you take into the wages aleady saved on players that have left then a sizeble fee should see the manager get more than that. As to whether he does???????????
So where are you suggesting the money will go then Fenella?
This question/issue usually gets some debate going. If Lescott is sold for a decent figure then I see no reason now why the manager should not get a fair lump for improving the squad.
A few days ago I was of the opinion that should Wolves get say £4M then GH may get a quarter of that but when you take into the wages aleady saved on players that have left then a sizeble fee should see the manager get more than that. As to whether he does???????????
I.D.
12-05-2006, 14:37
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4765627.stm
It seems Everton are preparing a bid.
teamtalk has always been akin to the sun newspaper. I've never taken anything written on there seriously.
Good old BBC, you know where you are with the BBC.;)
BTW Fen, we have been here before with the sale of Keane. Although a lot of that money did find it's way into the transfer kitty and this time it will make up a shortfall in income.
It seems Everton are preparing a bid.
teamtalk has always been akin to the sun newspaper. I've never taken anything written on there seriously.
Good old BBC, you know where you are with the BBC.;)
BTW Fen, we have been here before with the sale of Keane. Although a lot of that money did find it's way into the transfer kitty and this time it will make up a shortfall in income.
Bill McCai
12-05-2006, 14:44
So where are you suggesting the money will go then Fenella?
This question/issue usually gets some debate going. If Lescott is sold for a decent figure then I see no reason now why the manager should not get a fair lump for improving the squad.
A few days ago I was of the opinion that should Wolves get say £4M then GH may get a quarter of that but when you take into the wages aleady saved on players that have left then a sizeble fee should see the manager get more than that. As to whether he does???????????
:mad:
It will make up the shortfall in income we have suffered as a result of Hoddle and his massive chin wrecking last season! ESSEX, REPEAT AFTER ME, THE MONEY IS MAKING UP THE £7M DEFECIT WE INCURRED BECAUSE THE LANTERN JAWED GOMMO DIDN’T DELIVER AND THE HAYWARDS ARE NOT TAKING IT OUT OF THE CLUB IN 50 PENCE PIECES
This question/issue usually gets some debate going. If Lescott is sold for a decent figure then I see no reason now why the manager should not get a fair lump for improving the squad.
A few days ago I was of the opinion that should Wolves get say £4M then GH may get a quarter of that but when you take into the wages aleady saved on players that have left then a sizeble fee should see the manager get more than that. As to whether he does???????????
:mad:
It will make up the shortfall in income we have suffered as a result of Hoddle and his massive chin wrecking last season! ESSEX, REPEAT AFTER ME, THE MONEY IS MAKING UP THE £7M DEFECIT WE INCURRED BECAUSE THE LANTERN JAWED GOMMO DIDN’T DELIVER AND THE HAYWARDS ARE NOT TAKING IT OUT OF THE CLUB IN 50 PENCE PIECES
Deutsch Wolf
12-05-2006, 14:48
You can add a fair bit on to the £7m loss when you consider season ticket sales. We're going to lose at least 3,000 STHs outright, plus the fact that all prices have been frozen means that when inflation is taken into account, we're already looking at a loss in revenue in real terms on those who do renew.
fenella
12-05-2006, 14:50
So where are you suggesting the money will go then Fenella?
I would say a fair chunk of it will go on paying the large salaries of Messrs Moxey, Hoddle, Ince, Frankowksi, Seol & Olifinjana.
I would say a fair chunk of it will go on paying the large salaries of Messrs Moxey, Hoddle, Ince, Frankowksi, Seol & Olifinjana.
I.D.
12-05-2006, 14:52
Also, for those that missed the brief summary of the accounts, WW1990 Ltd. were predicting a loss last season anyway.
wolf of sedgley
12-05-2006, 15:00
Better hope seol has a good worldcup so we can flog him for million or so.
Rocky_Balllboa
12-05-2006, 15:03
Better hope seol has a good worldcup so we can flog him for million or so.
Lets just flog him anyway, outside the Billy Wright for his lack of effort this year.
Lets just flog him anyway, outside the Billy Wright for his lack of effort this year.
The Bear
12-05-2006, 15:55
plus the fact that all prices have been frozen means that when inflation is taken into account, we're already looking at a loss in revenue in real terms on those who do renew.
Well that's the club's fault for raising it so much the last time really.
Poor season + high price rise last time they did it = frozen prices to appease the fans.
Well that's the club's fault for raising it so much the last time really.
Poor season + high price rise last time they did it = frozen prices to appease the fans.
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 18:01
Everton are ready to step up their interest in Wolves defender Joleon Lescott after letting on-loan Matteo Ferrari return to AS Roma.
Toffees boss David Moyes said Ferrari has been sent back to Italy because he chasing another player instead.
Everton have been regularly linked with the £4m-rated 23-year-old Lescott.
"I've got other alternatives at the moment, that's why I decided not to pursue it with Ferrari," said Moyes. "There might be a new one coming in."
Source BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4765627.stm
Also
News
Moyes set to move in for Lescott
May 12 2006
By Dominic King, Liverpool Echo
Wolves' Joleon Lescott
DAVID MOYES has dropped the broadest hint yet that his next signing will be a central defender when explaining why he did not pursue a deal with Matteo Ferrari.
When Ferrari joined Everton last summer on a season long loan, AS Roma gave Everton first option on a permanent £3.7m deal but a succession of injuries restricted the Italian international to just 13 appearances.
Though he showed glimpses of class, he did not do enough to convince Moyes to keep him at Goodison Park and the manager has turned his sights elsewhere - notably in the direction of Wolves' Joleon Lescott.
Lescott signed a new four-year deal at Molineux last October and it would take a fee similar to the one it would have cost for Ferrari to prise him from the Black Country to Merseyside but his performances in the Championship have caught the eye.
Toffees boss David Moyes said Ferrari has been sent back to Italy because he chasing another player instead.
Everton have been regularly linked with the £4m-rated 23-year-old Lescott.
"I've got other alternatives at the moment, that's why I decided not to pursue it with Ferrari," said Moyes. "There might be a new one coming in."
Source BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4765627.stm
Also
News
Moyes set to move in for Lescott
May 12 2006
By Dominic King, Liverpool Echo
Wolves' Joleon Lescott
DAVID MOYES has dropped the broadest hint yet that his next signing will be a central defender when explaining why he did not pursue a deal with Matteo Ferrari.
When Ferrari joined Everton last summer on a season long loan, AS Roma gave Everton first option on a permanent £3.7m deal but a succession of injuries restricted the Italian international to just 13 appearances.
Though he showed glimpses of class, he did not do enough to convince Moyes to keep him at Goodison Park and the manager has turned his sights elsewhere - notably in the direction of Wolves' Joleon Lescott.
Lescott signed a new four-year deal at Molineux last October and it would take a fee similar to the one it would have cost for Ferrari to prise him from the Black Country to Merseyside but his performances in the Championship have caught the eye.
wolfie smith
12-05-2006, 19:20
a few months back £4m would have been a great price for him, but now if there is competition for his signature we may get more with possible clauses added on. if we keep him we have to pay his wages anyway so that money could be earmarked for a few players to bring in, even £2m going to the manager could get us some decent players, they dont have to be world class just dependable rock steady eddies, we cannot just get rid of the dead wood without having replacements, i hope hoddle gets more loans in of the quality of aladiere.
Wombourne Wolf
12-05-2006, 19:34
If Henry stays at Arsenal this summer, Aliadiere's future is looking bleak with Van Persie, Adebayor, Lupoli, Reyes and Walcott seeming to bypass him.
BridgnorthWolf Inc
12-05-2006, 19:40
If Henry stays at Arsenal this summer, Aliadiere's future is looking bleak with Van Persie, Adebayor, Lupoli, Reyes and Walcott seeming to bypass him.
Maybe, but he is hardly likely to come to our club is he?
Maybe, but he is hardly likely to come to our club is he?
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 19:44
Getting Aliadiere on loan again would be an absolute masterstroke. Can't see it happening myself but Glenn is extremely good in pulling off quality loan signings, so never say never.
Hawkins discuss
12-05-2006, 20:06
The deficit on the books now is approx £10mil (7 missing parachute +3 running costs) according to some hacks
Therefore a £3-4 mil deal for JL would only fill in a slight hole in the balance leaving no transfer money for The Chin
Therefore a £3-4 mil deal for JL would only fill in a slight hole in the balance leaving no transfer money for The Chin
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 20:10
The deficit on the books now is approx £10mil (7 missing parachute +3 running costs) according to some hacks
Therefore a £3-4 mil deal for JL would only fill in a slight hole in the balance leaving no transfer money for The Chin
I dont think its that bad, they never over committed so, although costs have to be cut there will be money to spend from any transfers.
Therefore a £3-4 mil deal for JL would only fill in a slight hole in the balance leaving no transfer money for The Chin
I dont think its that bad, they never over committed so, although costs have to be cut there will be money to spend from any transfers.
Muscat
12-05-2006, 20:47
I doubt even Moxey is mad enough to put all of the money raised from selling our best player towards paying off debts.
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 20:54
I doubt even Moxey is mad enough to put all of the money raised from selling our best player towards paying off debts.
That's what SJH advocated when we sold Daley to Man City, said publicly it was a mistake to buy Andy with the proceeds. So if JM is in the employ of SJH I suggest all monies will indeed go to pay off debts.
NEXT!
That's what SJH advocated when we sold Daley to Man City, said publicly it was a mistake to buy Andy with the proceeds. So if JM is in the employ of SJH I suggest all monies will indeed go to pay off debts.
NEXT!
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 21:01
That's what SJH advocated when we sold Daley to Man City, said publicly it was a mistake to buy Andy with the proceeds. So if JM is in the employ of SJH I suggest all monies will indeed go to pay off debts.
NEXT!
What?
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
But we have no debts, that what we keep being told by a number of Moxey and SJH apologists on this board
NEXT!
What?
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
But we have no debts, that what we keep being told by a number of Moxey and SJH apologists on this board
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 21:13
What?
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
I am older and have a longer memory of SJH and certain comments he made regarding that transfer....and he did say that the monies should have been used to pay off the debt on the John Ireland Stand.
NEXT!
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
I am older and have a longer memory of SJH and certain comments he made regarding that transfer....and he did say that the monies should have been used to pay off the debt on the John Ireland Stand.
NEXT!
TheDarkside
12-05-2006, 21:14
... Glenn is extremely good in pulling off quality loan signings, so never say never.
No he's not. :confused:
No he's not. :confused:
OldWolvesfart
12-05-2006, 21:15
That's what SJH advocated when we sold Daley to Man City, said publicly it was a mistake to buy Andy with the proceeds. So if JM is in the employ of SJH I suggest all monies will indeed go to pay off debts.
NEXT!
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
NEXT!
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 21:18
No he's not. :confused:
Yes he is
Yes he is
saturday boy
12-05-2006, 21:18
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
This might come as a shock but Jack Hayward was alive and having opinions even back in 1979.
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
This might come as a shock but Jack Hayward was alive and having opinions even back in 1979.
TheDarkside
12-05-2006, 21:19
Yes he is
prove it.
prove it.
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 21:22
Getting Huddlestone and Aliadiere this season on loan were both major coups. Huddlestone did fade towards the end but it was a great coup by Glenn to land two 'big' premiership stars on loan...so I am hopeful they'll be a couple of similar ones this season.
TheDarkside
12-05-2006, 21:24
Getting Huddlestone and Aliadiere this season on loan were both major coups. Huddlestone did fade towards the end but it was a great coup by Glenn to land two 'big' premiership stars on loan...so I am hopeful they'll be a couple of similar ones this season.
Ok. You are right. They were the main reason for our phenomenal success last season.
Ok. You are right. They were the main reason for our phenomenal success last season.
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 21:26
Ok. You are right. They were the main reason for our phenomenal success last season.
:rolleyes:
I'm merely pointing out that with our constrained budget for the season, a couple of quality loan signings are a must. He got 2 excellent ones last season and there is no reason to doubt that he won't pull another few out of the bag.
:rolleyes:
I'm merely pointing out that with our constrained budget for the season, a couple of quality loan signings are a must. He got 2 excellent ones last season and there is no reason to doubt that he won't pull another few out of the bag.
OldWolvesfart
12-05-2006, 21:27
What?
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
But we have no debts, that what we keep being told by a number of Moxey and SJH apologists on this board
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
SJH had nothing to do with wolves in 1979, I thought you were older than me.
But we have no debts, that what we keep being told by a number of Moxey and SJH apologists on this board
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 21:31
WHAT???????????????????
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
I can only comment on what was reported at the time to Marshall by SJH when the rate of debt on the new stand hit the roof.
SJH was in touch with buisness men of W-Ton back then too.
We are talking Steve Daley 1.47 million to Man City in 1979 here in the same sentence as Jack Hayward?
I know Doctor Who is popular but this is one time slip I for one cannot grasp.
I can only comment on what was reported at the time to Marshall by SJH when the rate of debt on the new stand hit the roof.
SJH was in touch with buisness men of W-Ton back then too.
dazmanwolf
12-05-2006, 21:40
The more clubs that bid for Lescott the better it is for Wolves.
I think we will get more than 4 million for him personally!
I think we will get more than 4 million for him personally!
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 21:51
I can only comment on what was reported at the time to Marshall by SJH when the rate of debt on the new stand hit the roof.
SJH was in touch with buisness men of W-Ton back then too.
I'm still struggling to get a handle on what your are trying to say.
are you saying that SJH said that he would of used the money from the sale of Steve Daley to clear the debt on the stand?
If so hindsight is a wonderful thing, however what he failded to factor in was the demise of the UK econmy in the late 70's till the early 90's about the time he was hiding tax free in Grand Bahama (is that how in touch he was?) - might be interesting to search the E&S archives for out spoken attacks on the running of the club by SJH during that period - I think your more likely to find a picture of Tommy Docherty holding the second division trophy with gold and black ribbons on it.
SJH was in touch with buisness men of W-Ton back then too.
I'm still struggling to get a handle on what your are trying to say.
are you saying that SJH said that he would of used the money from the sale of Steve Daley to clear the debt on the stand?
If so hindsight is a wonderful thing, however what he failded to factor in was the demise of the UK econmy in the late 70's till the early 90's about the time he was hiding tax free in Grand Bahama (is that how in touch he was?) - might be interesting to search the E&S archives for out spoken attacks on the running of the club by SJH during that period - I think your more likely to find a picture of Tommy Docherty holding the second division trophy with gold and black ribbons on it.
goldeneyed
12-05-2006, 22:02
As Fenella quite rightly said none of this is a cause for rejoicing. We are HAVING to sell Lescott because of gross incompetence and season after season of failure. Whatever we get we are getting rid of our best player and a signal is going out everywhere that we are on the slide. Hoddle's heart doesn't seem to be in it judging by reports over the Charlton job and both Moxey and him seem to be accepting another season of mediocrity next season before a ball is kicked.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 22:02
are you saying that SJH said that he would of used the money from the sale of Steve Daley to clear the debt on the stand?
Got it in one.
Buddha this can be hard sometimes!
Got it in one.
Buddha this can be hard sometimes!
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 22:08
Got it in one.
Buddha this can be hard sometimes!
When and where did he say it? The man is mad, if he did comment which to be fair with his track record of opening his mouth before putting his brain into gear, I wonder what comments he would of made about his total mismanagement of the club for the past 17 or so years?
Buddha this can be hard sometimes!
When and where did he say it? The man is mad, if he did comment which to be fair with his track record of opening his mouth before putting his brain into gear, I wonder what comments he would of made about his total mismanagement of the club for the past 17 or so years?
Florida Wolfey
12-05-2006, 22:09
As Fenella quite rightly said none of this is a cause for rejoicing. We are HAVING to sell Lescott because of gross incompetence and season after season of failure. Whatever we get we are getting rid of our best player and a signal is going out everywhere that we are on the slide. Hoddle's heart doesn't seem to be in it judging by reports over the Charlton job and both Moxey and him seem to be accepting another season of mediocrity next season before a ball is kicked.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Good post and hits the nail on the head.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Good post and hits the nail on the head.
wolf of sedgley
12-05-2006, 22:15
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now.
This is what $$$$es me off. The club is run $$$$.
This is what $$$$es me off. The club is run $$$$.
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 22:18
Many european sides use youth then sell, then build again - The is particularly the case in Holland - look at ajax, psv + clubs from belgium and france their champions league sides are full of kids then they sell them to spain italy and england at inflated prices. We have the chance to be the first major uk club to do this.
We kept Bully and he didnt get us promotion, time to move on, let lescott go and invest in youth, besides his knees are probably knackered anyway.
We kept Bully and he didnt get us promotion, time to move on, let lescott go and invest in youth, besides his knees are probably knackered anyway.
brummywolf
12-05-2006, 22:21
Many european sides use youth then sell, then build again - The is particularly the case in Holland - look at ajax, psv + clubs from belgium and france their champions league sides are full of kids then they sell them to spain italy and england at inflated prices. We have the chance to be the first major uk club to do this.
Definitely- let's just hope our academy keeps producing wonders like Leon Clarke
Definitely- let's just hope our academy keeps producing wonders like Leon Clarke
Florida Wolfey
12-05-2006, 22:27
Wolf of sedgley
There is a difference though and it's not all gloom. Keane was/is the sort if player who can win matches. Lescott never will be a player like that.
Yes, he's a decent central defender but for his own career sake he now needs to move on having learned his trade in this division. We can replace Lescott much easier than we ever tried to replace Keane and the six teams who finished above us are proof that you only need reasonably good defenders at this level to succeed.
I wish Jo all the best but he now needs to prove himself at Prem level if he wants to make the most of his career. He's not going to be challenging for England honours or trophies stuck in an average Div 1 (I refuse to call it the Championship) team. We'll get a decent fee for him and he'll get a move that will make him a better player. It's a win - win situation and not at all a desperate move.
As for Wolves and the financial constraints....I still believe it's a red herring. We had 19 years in this division surviving without Prem money and always being able to challenge so why should anything be any different now. I'm sure that we have money available otherwise we wouldn't have spent 1.4M on a striker a few months ago.
There is a difference though and it's not all gloom. Keane was/is the sort if player who can win matches. Lescott never will be a player like that.
Yes, he's a decent central defender but for his own career sake he now needs to move on having learned his trade in this division. We can replace Lescott much easier than we ever tried to replace Keane and the six teams who finished above us are proof that you only need reasonably good defenders at this level to succeed.
I wish Jo all the best but he now needs to prove himself at Prem level if he wants to make the most of his career. He's not going to be challenging for England honours or trophies stuck in an average Div 1 (I refuse to call it the Championship) team. We'll get a decent fee for him and he'll get a move that will make him a better player. It's a win - win situation and not at all a desperate move.
As for Wolves and the financial constraints....I still believe it's a red herring. We had 19 years in this division surviving without Prem money and always being able to challenge so why should anything be any different now. I'm sure that we have money available otherwise we wouldn't have spent 1.4M on a striker a few months ago.
Stewarton Wolf
12-05-2006, 22:28
Definitely- let's just hope our academy keeps producing wonders like Leon Clarke
or
Robbie Keane/Mark Davies/Lescott/Naylor
+
All the players we have sold for £50k to £150k - Clingan/Proudlock/Mills etc
or
Robbie Keane/Mark Davies/Lescott/Naylor
+
All the players we have sold for £50k to £150k - Clingan/Proudlock/Mills etc
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 22:33
Please forget Robbie and the acadamy in the same sentance....he was a natural one off special.....he would have blossomed with or without our Wunder Acadamy.
Ogerp
12-05-2006, 22:38
Now JL, please put an old timer right, but if memory serves me correct, all through the International (youth , under 19, under21) call up he was second to a certain L. King.
My memory does fade in and out these days. Is this the same L. King that's gone on to win Full International Cap(s)?
My memory does fade in and out these days. Is this the same L. King that's gone on to win Full International Cap(s)?
holloholloway
12-05-2006, 23:41
As Fenella quite rightly said none of this is a cause for rejoicing. We are HAVING to sell Lescott because of gross incompetence and season after season of failure. Whatever we get we are getting rid of our best player and a signal is going out everywhere that we are on the slide. Hoddle's heart doesn't seem to be in it judging by reports over the Charlton job and both Moxey and him seem to be accepting another season of mediocrity next season before a ball is kicked.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Frankowski is toss, when will wolves fans realise it.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Frankowski is toss, when will wolves fans realise it.
jaspa888
13-05-2006, 00:56
Lets just flog him anyway, outside the Billy Wright for his lack of effort this year.:D:D:D
GG27
13-05-2006, 09:33
The thing that saddens me is we are not/didn't get to see the likes of Lescott or Keane play in the prem for us , these are the star quality type of player newly promoted teams can't afford/attract so it's nice to already own them.Also don't forget what ever money we get for J-lo will probably be in staggered payments over 2-3 years ie: if we got £5mil we wouldn't get it all at once so i cant see us spending much at all.
quirky_birky
13-05-2006, 10:16
Now JL, please put an old timer right, but if memory serves me correct, all through the International (youth , under 19, under21) call up he was second to a certain L. King.
My memory does fade in and out these days. Is this the same L. King that's gone on to win Full International Cap(s)?
Is this the same L. King who is almost 2 years older than Lescott? It's no shame for a kid to be competing for places with players older than him.
My memory does fade in and out these days. Is this the same L. King that's gone on to win Full International Cap(s)?
Is this the same L. King who is almost 2 years older than Lescott? It's no shame for a kid to be competing for places with players older than him.
jaspa888
13-05-2006, 11:37
As Fenella quite rightly said none of this is a cause for rejoicing. We are HAVING to sell Lescott because of gross incompetence and season after season of failure. Whatever we get we are getting rid of our best player and a signal is going out everywhere that we are on the slide. Hoddle's heart doesn't seem to be in it judging by reports over the Charlton job and both Moxey and him seem to be accepting another season of mediocrity next season before a ball is kicked.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Best post of the week for me.
When Lescott goes it will be almost as bad as losing Keano and that was really gut wrenching. Our best home grown talent that should have been playing for us in a team consolidating itself in the Prem by now. Instead the last vestiges of Jones's crumbling squad of mediocre mercenaries falling away and a dispirited manager already making excuses because of a lack of funds and having to rely more on youth. This is the idiot who spent £1.4m in a panic on the goaless Pole who is about to have his 32nd birthday. That wasted money has exacerbated an already difficult financial time for the club.
Idiots the lot of them.Lescott's departure, for whatever sum is a symbol of a repeated failure that has been brought about by people who don't know what they are doing.
Best post of the week for me.
AndyP
13-05-2006, 11:42
I blame the gangstas!
If they hadnt done his knees in he could've been the difference to us staying in the premiership! :)
If they hadnt done his knees in he could've been the difference to us staying in the premiership! :)
holloholloway
13-05-2006, 14:10
Best post of the week for me.
No I disagree becasue i think lescott isn't the player wolves fans think he is, since he's had his knee taken out he's lost a yard of pace and the clubs chasing him are kidding themselves if they think he's worth 4 million.
No I disagree becasue i think lescott isn't the player wolves fans think he is, since he's had his knee taken out he's lost a yard of pace and the clubs chasing him are kidding themselves if they think he's worth 4 million.
Uncle Festa
14-05-2006, 11:17
Agree with Goldeneye. We should be at a stage now where we are investing in new players to sit alongside the kids coming through the youth set up. Instead we are doing the opposite. That youth team was something special, the likes we will not see again - the competition for kids in this area has hotted up since Taylor set up our youth system. WBA will have their academy up and running, Villa have always had the best youth system in the area, and Birmingham are currently snapping up every hot prospect in the local youth leagues. In short, we have had our golden era of youth football and with our current set up it ain't going to get any better - the scouting system is well below the standards set by other local sides - but hey, Moxey will tell us that we have got the best training ground in the country so all the kids will flock to us! Anyway getting back to the point, this is a time when we should be building a side around that youth team - especially Davies. Gross incompetence from the Haywards down will ensure we completely $$$$ up the golden goose that has produced a fine crop of youth team players. By the way the Everton deal is done and dusted bar the small print.
UNCLE REMUS
14-05-2006, 11:22
Heard yesterday, Lescott to Villa.
Apparently he's not that keen on moving from the area and he's a Villa fan.
Still it's only a rumour.
So don't shoot the messenger.
Apparently he's not that keen on moving from the area and he's a Villa fan.
Still it's only a rumour.
So don't shoot the messenger.
wolf of sedgley
14-05-2006, 12:01
So what is it then? Everton or Villa?
Hatch End Wolf
14-05-2006, 12:02
I can't believe the number of posters on here who are cheerfully accepting the sale of our best defender. It's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. He's the last asset the club has got, after JL we have no-one of any value to sell. Whatever money the club rakes in from his sale will not compensate for the loss of JL, it will just go in the the fund that overpays Moxey, Hod, and Hod's Bro. What remains will...er....disappear!
EasternWolf
14-05-2006, 12:13
I can't believe the number of posters on here who are cheerfully accepting the sale of our best defender. It's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. He's the last asset the club has got, after JL we have no-one of any value to sell. Whatever money the club rakes in from his sale will not compensate for the loss of JL, it will just go in the the fund that overpays Moxey, Hod, and Hod's Bro. What remains will...er....disappear!
I dont think thats true. If we just take the Academy players, there's Matt Murray for a start. Give Mark Davies another season and players like Lowe, Gobern, Little, O'Connor, Riley, Gleeson and Cornes will now get a chance. Dont forget Wayne Hennesey either. several of these will prove to be "valuable".
Lescott has not been the best central defender this last season. He was no better than Craddock, Gyepes or Edwards. I agree with Florida.
I dont think thats true. If we just take the Academy players, there's Matt Murray for a start. Give Mark Davies another season and players like Lowe, Gobern, Little, O'Connor, Riley, Gleeson and Cornes will now get a chance. Dont forget Wayne Hennesey either. several of these will prove to be "valuable".
Lescott has not been the best central defender this last season. He was no better than Craddock, Gyepes or Edwards. I agree with Florida.
AndyP
14-05-2006, 12:18
So what is it then? Everton or Villa?
*Apparently* theres 4 premiership clubs interested. My guess is Villa, Everton, Citeh and Boro. Sheff utd an Reading must fancy him as well. Oh yeah and Seville!!
*Apparently* theres 4 premiership clubs interested. My guess is Villa, Everton, Citeh and Boro. Sheff utd an Reading must fancy him as well. Oh yeah and Seville!!
Hatch End Wolf
14-05-2006, 12:38
He's a lousy defender being pursued by half a dozen clubs with higher status than us, apparently offering loads of money........hmm!
Quick lets sell him. We've got Craddock, Lowe, Gypo ( er injured ), Clyde ( er permanently injured ) and er.....
Quick lets sell him. We've got Craddock, Lowe, Gypo ( er injured ), Clyde ( er permanently injured ) and er.....
quirky_birky
14-05-2006, 12:40
I can't believe the number of posters on here who are cheerfully accepting the sale of our best defender. It's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. He's the last asset the club has got, after JL we have no-one of any value to sell. Whatever money the club rakes in from his sale will not compensate for the loss of JL, it will just go in the the fund that overpays Moxey, Hod, and Hod's Bro. What remains will...er....disappear!
I don't want to see the back of him, but I'd rather that we cashed in on him now than for us to struggle along with no spare cash to invest in the team and then lose Lescott for nothing when his contract runs out. No single player is more important than the team. I felt the same way when we sold Keane - one player cannot achieve success for the club on their own (hell, Bully is the classic example of that - well, we did manage 2 promotions and the Tonka Trophy, but you know what I mean).
I don't want to see the back of him, but I'd rather that we cashed in on him now than for us to struggle along with no spare cash to invest in the team and then lose Lescott for nothing when his contract runs out. No single player is more important than the team. I felt the same way when we sold Keane - one player cannot achieve success for the club on their own (hell, Bully is the classic example of that - well, we did manage 2 promotions and the Tonka Trophy, but you know what I mean).
AndyP
14-05-2006, 12:43
He's a lousy defender being pursued by half a dozen clubs with higher status than us, apparently offering loads of money........hmm!
Quick lets sell him. We've got Craddock, Lowe, Gypo ( er injured ), Clyde ( er permanently injured ) and er.....
....Edwards, Riley....
I dont think you get the point anyway. Surely Lescott was given an agreement when he signed his contract extension that if we didnt go up this season he'd be allowed a move to a premiership club. He needs the step up and we need the money.
Quick lets sell him. We've got Craddock, Lowe, Gypo ( er injured ), Clyde ( er permanently injured ) and er.....
....Edwards, Riley....
I dont think you get the point anyway. Surely Lescott was given an agreement when he signed his contract extension that if we didnt go up this season he'd be allowed a move to a premiership club. He needs the step up and we need the money.
quirky_birky
14-05-2006, 12:51
I dont think you get the point anyway. Surely Lescott was given an agreement when he signed his contract extension that if we didnt go up this season he'd be allowed a move to a premiership club. He needs the step up and we need the money.
Indeed, and we could've lost him for nothing had we not made that gentleman's agreement.
Indeed, and we could've lost him for nothing had we not made that gentleman's agreement.
Hatch End Wolf
14-05-2006, 12:58
"Edwards, Riley...". I don't know Riley but Edwards is rubbish, slow rubbish. If JL has an agreement well good luck to him, I don't begrudge him the chance to excape. I wish I had the same choice. However, all the signals from the club are that the money won't be spent on players.
The only remains of the spendthrift days at the Mol, from now on, will be the Hod's and Moxey's salaries. Now that is something I really don't understand. SJH goes into his "we've tried spending and got no success so let's try not spending again and see what happens" mode but allows Hod and the Mox to be overpaid. What's that about?
The only remains of the spendthrift days at the Mol, from now on, will be the Hod's and Moxey's salaries. Now that is something I really don't understand. SJH goes into his "we've tried spending and got no success so let's try not spending again and see what happens" mode but allows Hod and the Mox to be overpaid. What's that about?
Uncle Festa
14-05-2006, 13:40
Wolves are deperate to get rid of Lescott. He signed his last contract on a basic of £25,000 a week knowing that they could sell him to a number of interested clubs if we didn't go up. The problem is that Lescott isn't particularly interested in moving! Personally, under our current financial climate Lescott needs to go. In fact Wolves are holding his career up - he needs to test himself against the Worlds best players where personally I think he will flourish. Wolves will lose one of their best homegrown players, but unlike the sale of Keane who was a one off genius, Lescott can be replaced. We already have players that can jump into his spot and ease their way through Championship games, in fact, with all players fit, central defence is one of our strongest areas. I'd rather Lescott went on and be a success for a big Premiership team than be tied to a club heading in the opposite direction.
wolf of sedgley
14-05-2006, 13:53
Lescott has not been the best central defender this last season. He was no better than Craddock, Gyepes or Edwards. I agree with Florida.
Are you mental?
Are you mental?
wolf of sedgley
14-05-2006, 13:56
Lescott can be replaced.
Yeah, who with exactly?
Yeah, who with exactly?
TheDarkside
14-05-2006, 14:04
We already have players that can jump into his spot and ease their way through Championship games, in fact, with all players fit, central defence is one of our strongest areas.
RUBBISH!!
RUBBISH!!
Rocky_Balllboa
14-05-2006, 14:13
Its funny how when players are leaving people suddenly forget how good they have been for us and how difficult it is to replace quality.
quirky_birky
14-05-2006, 14:30
RUBBISH!!
We do have more players who can play at centre back than we do wingers, ballwinners, goalscorers. We don't have another centre back of the same quality as Lescott, but we have several who can cope at this level.
We do have more players who can play at centre back than we do wingers, ballwinners, goalscorers. We don't have another centre back of the same quality as Lescott, but we have several who can cope at this level.
TheDarkside
14-05-2006, 15:40
We do have more players who can play at centre back than we do wingers, ballwinners, goalscorers. We don't have another centre back of the same quality as Lescott, but we have several who can cope at this level.
Quantity not Quality I think
Quantity not Quality I think
AndyP
14-05-2006, 15:45
Quantity not Quality I think
Lescott is going, get over it!! Do we have enough centre backs who are capable at this level? Yes.
Im more worried about the fact we've only got 2 strikers (+ Burger King's most loyal customer) to be honest!!!!
Lescott is going, get over it!! Do we have enough centre backs who are capable at this level? Yes.
Im more worried about the fact we've only got 2 strikers (+ Burger King's most loyal customer) to be honest!!!!
Hatch End Wolf
14-05-2006, 15:50
I agree, Darkside. We do have a number of centre-backs. Unfortunately most of them would only be good enough for teams in the lower half of the Championship......................?............... .wait a minute I think I'm on to something!
quirky_birky
14-05-2006, 15:56
I agree, Darkside. We do have a number of centre-backs. Unfortunately most of them would only be good enough for teams in the lower half of the Championship......................?............... .wait a minute I think I'm on to something!
That's what we thought about Ingimarsson. Didn't do Reading any harm.
That's what we thought about Ingimarsson. Didn't do Reading any harm.
Papper
14-05-2006, 17:13
That's what we thought about Ingimarsson. Didn't do Reading any harm.
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Stewarton Wolf
14-05-2006, 17:25
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Beckett and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
There is something about him that makes top managers want to pay top money for him. I think he is a very good defender who at 23 will get better. He has though lost a yard of pace but still quicker than most.
Ingimarsson wasnt given a fair chance with us, but I dont think he is as good as Lescott
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Beckett and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
There is something about him that makes top managers want to pay top money for him. I think he is a very good defender who at 23 will get better. He has though lost a yard of pace but still quicker than most.
Ingimarsson wasnt given a fair chance with us, but I dont think he is as good as Lescott
Hatch End Wolf
14-05-2006, 17:40
Ingi went to a team with a better manager and better teamwork. If Lescott had gone to Reading he would have got rave reviews this season.
We will miss him when he's gone and all we have left is dross.
We will miss him when he's gone and all we have left is dross.
wolf of sedgley
14-05-2006, 18:36
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Beckett and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Your either taking the $$$$ or are chatting the worst load of $$$$$$$$ i've ever heard.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Beckett and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Your either taking the $$$$ or are chatting the worst load of $$$$$$$$ i've ever heard.
HSV Wolf
14-05-2006, 19:01
£3 to £4 million.... Take the money and run.... that's if he passes the medical .
Yes he's good but not to the point that his contribution makes any significant contribution to our results, in fact during the last part of the season you could even argue he was the cause of quite a few goals conceded.
With a fit Gypes and a replacement such as Cort from Hull or Bischcoff you won't notice he's gone. It's creativity in midfield to provide the ammo for the forwards we should be more concerened about... even Van Nistelroy would look $$$$ in our team
Yes he's good but not to the point that his contribution makes any significant contribution to our results, in fact during the last part of the season you could even argue he was the cause of quite a few goals conceded.
With a fit Gypes and a replacement such as Cort from Hull or Bischcoff you won't notice he's gone. It's creativity in midfield to provide the ammo for the forwards we should be more concerened about... even Van Nistelroy would look $$$$ in our team
Papper
14-05-2006, 19:12
Your either taking the $$$$ or are chatting the worst load of $$$$$$$$ i've ever heard.
I personally think Wolves will be a better proposition without Lescott, Cameron and even Naylor for that matter. Having watched the Cup Final yesterday i would rate Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand far higher than Lescott and that is what Wolves must aspire to. Sad but true.
I personally think Wolves will be a better proposition without Lescott, Cameron and even Naylor for that matter. Having watched the Cup Final yesterday i would rate Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand far higher than Lescott and that is what Wolves must aspire to. Sad but true.
TheDarkside
14-05-2006, 20:21
He was no better than Craddock, Gyepes or Edwards.
Why do people keep linking these three together?
Craddock and Gypes are reasonable championship centre halves, whereas Edwards is conference at best.
Why do people keep linking these three together?
Craddock and Gypes are reasonable championship centre halves, whereas Edwards is conference at best.
goldeneyed
14-05-2006, 23:25
I personally think Wolves will be a better proposition without Lescott, Cameron and even Naylor for that matter. Having watched the Cup Final yesterday i would rate Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand far higher than Lescott and that is what Wolves must aspire to. Sad but true.
Strange that so many clubs are chasing Lescott and will pay £4m plus for him probably. Obviously they don't have your eye for a player.
Lescott on form is undoubtedly better than Gabbidon or Ferdinand and he will prosper in the Prem assuming he stays fit. He WILL be a huge loss to us and if we are to move forward as a club selling your one quality player is not a brilliant move. But after failure after failure it has become sadly inevitable.
Strange that so many clubs are chasing Lescott and will pay £4m plus for him probably. Obviously they don't have your eye for a player.
Lescott on form is undoubtedly better than Gabbidon or Ferdinand and he will prosper in the Prem assuming he stays fit. He WILL be a huge loss to us and if we are to move forward as a club selling your one quality player is not a brilliant move. But after failure after failure it has become sadly inevitable.
mak1
14-05-2006, 23:45
I personally think Wolves will be a better proposition without Lescott, Cameron and even Naylor for that matter. Having watched the Cup Final yesterday i would rate Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand far higher than Lescott and that is what Wolves must aspire to. Sad but true.
Too right, brillant defenders when Stevie G stood on his own to score his first goal only a few yards away from goal.
I don't post much but read all the time, you are full of so much $$$$$ it's unreal. Stick to your BNP mate !! About yr level
Too right, brillant defenders when Stevie G stood on his own to score his first goal only a few yards away from goal.
I don't post much but read all the time, you are full of so much $$$$$ it's unreal. Stick to your BNP mate !! About yr level
wolfan
14-05-2006, 23:52
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Hmm, bigging up a Reading player, then slating Lescott, whilst getting a sly dig in at Wolves fans. You aren't an infiltrator from Hobknob are you?! :rolleyes:
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
Hmm, bigging up a Reading player, then slating Lescott, whilst getting a sly dig in at Wolves fans. You aren't an infiltrator from Hobknob are you?! :rolleyes:
mak1
14-05-2006, 23:57
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
One of the most stupid post ever put on MM(old or new) Lescott an average player! You $$$$ing clown!! That's why everybody in football are talking about him leaving for good money into the Prem.
Idiot!!
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
One of the most stupid post ever put on MM(old or new) Lescott an average player! You $$$$ing clown!! That's why everybody in football are talking about him leaving for good money into the Prem.
Idiot!!
Florida Wolfey
15-05-2006, 01:06
One of the most stupid post ever put on MM(old or new) Lescott an average player! You $$$$ing clown!! That's why everybody in football are talking about him leaving for good money into the Prem.
Idiot!!
No, it's not the most stupid post ever. Lescott is a decent defender no doubt but he hasn't performed and been tested on the highest stage as yet. On that basis he could be called an average player by someone....personally I think he's a touch better than that but until he proves it there will always be a doubt.
If we get 4M or more for him I think we'll have done rather well given the circumstances. I hope he gets his move to prove himself and we get a decent fee.
Idiot!!
No, it's not the most stupid post ever. Lescott is a decent defender no doubt but he hasn't performed and been tested on the highest stage as yet. On that basis he could be called an average player by someone....personally I think he's a touch better than that but until he proves it there will always be a doubt.
If we get 4M or more for him I think we'll have done rather well given the circumstances. I hope he gets his move to prove himself and we get a decent fee.
Papper
15-05-2006, 02:08
One of the most stupid post ever put on MM(old or new) Lescott an average player! You $$$$ing clown!! That's why everybody in football are talking about him leaving for good money into the Prem.
Idiot!!
Read this you fruitcake !
http://www.angermanage.co.uk/
Idiot!!
Read this you fruitcake !
http://www.angermanage.co.uk/
holloholloway
15-05-2006, 02:41
One of the most stupid post ever put on MM(old or new) Lescott an average player! You $$$$ing clown!! That's why everybody in football are talking about him leaving for good money into the Prem.
Idiot!!
He's not the clown you are. Lescott has been average at best this season, he's not a leader, distribution is poor and has lost a yard of pace. We will have done wonders to have got 4 million for him , and if we do we've kidded the people who have bought him.
Idiot!!
He's not the clown you are. Lescott has been average at best this season, he's not a leader, distribution is poor and has lost a yard of pace. We will have done wonders to have got 4 million for him , and if we do we've kidded the people who have bought him.
brummywolf
15-05-2006, 09:02
£4 million will be a good fee.
But he's not an average defender. Yes, he has had an indifferent season by his standards- maybe because he's become completely disilluisoned with life at Wolves. The lad is Wolves through and through and he must have been becoming as dispondent as the rest of us this season. In comparison to the rest of our team this year, he has been better than average.
Maybe he needs a clean sheet. But there is no doubt that the lad is much better than your average joe. Our loss is somebody else's gain. Will be a sad day when/if he leaves and I think it will soon become apparent how much we miss him unless we get an adequate replacement- but we won't be able to get anyone as good as him that is for sure.
But he's not an average defender. Yes, he has had an indifferent season by his standards- maybe because he's become completely disilluisoned with life at Wolves. The lad is Wolves through and through and he must have been becoming as dispondent as the rest of us this season. In comparison to the rest of our team this year, he has been better than average.
Maybe he needs a clean sheet. But there is no doubt that the lad is much better than your average joe. Our loss is somebody else's gain. Will be a sad day when/if he leaves and I think it will soon become apparent how much we miss him unless we get an adequate replacement- but we won't be able to get anyone as good as him that is for sure.
RyanWolf
15-05-2006, 10:56
Any player who could realistically move to a Premiership club or a Spanish UEFA cup winning side for the considerable sum of £4m after a poor season by his standards can't be considered average. It's remarkable how short some people's memories are.
fenella
15-05-2006, 11:01
I think its remarkable that he may be sold for £4m. This must be based on a combination of his perfomance in our promotion winning season and his potential. Based on this season, holloholloway is spot on - dubious concentration, dubious distribution, dubious leadership ability. There must be a doubt about whether he's just lost motivation playing for us or hasn't recovered from his long injury (or whether he'll ever recover).
The Bear
15-05-2006, 11:05
You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
brummywolf
15-05-2006, 11:07
You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Exactly, it will be a long time before our academy produces a defender as good as Lescott again.
Exactly, it will be a long time before our academy produces a defender as good as Lescott again.
Balti Pie
15-05-2006, 11:21
Didn't lescott start this season on fire for the 1st 2 months. I remember people saying he was worth £6m+
Form is temporary.....class is permanent!
Form is temporary.....class is permanent!
wolfie smith
15-05-2006, 12:05
Strange that so many clubs are chasing Lescott and will pay £4m plus for him probably. Obviously they don't have your eye for a player.
Lescott on form is undoubtedly better than Gabbidon or Ferdinand and he will prosper in the Prem assuming he stays fit. He WILL be a huge loss to us and if we are to move forward as a club selling your one quality player is not a brilliant move. But after failure after failure it has become sadly inevitable.
if selling your one quality player means the manager can bring in 3-4 strong replacements in positions all over the pitch then it is a good idea. unfortunately we dont seem to be able to generate enough money to keep him AND strengthen the team so it appears he has to go, if on the other hand we sold olofinished and seol the wonder winger we might be able to keep him. whilst obviously a blow to us he needs his move at this time if he has any ambition to play at a higher level.
Lescott on form is undoubtedly better than Gabbidon or Ferdinand and he will prosper in the Prem assuming he stays fit. He WILL be a huge loss to us and if we are to move forward as a club selling your one quality player is not a brilliant move. But after failure after failure it has become sadly inevitable.
if selling your one quality player means the manager can bring in 3-4 strong replacements in positions all over the pitch then it is a good idea. unfortunately we dont seem to be able to generate enough money to keep him AND strengthen the team so it appears he has to go, if on the other hand we sold olofinished and seol the wonder winger we might be able to keep him. whilst obviously a blow to us he needs his move at this time if he has any ambition to play at a higher level.
Taffywolf
15-05-2006, 12:36
Exactly, it will be a long time before our academy produces a defender as good as Lescott again.
Agreed, Just remember the names on here that are critizising him, Because when he is playing well in the Prem these same people will come on here and say, "I always said he was a good player" "We should never have sold him".
Lescott deserves a good move to show what he can do, In my eyes he is a Premiership player and a good one to. I for one wish him the best when he leaves, And wont feel bitter at all, He has done his best this season and I would say has been 1 of the better players most weeks. He may have had 4/5 bad games but so has Campbell and he is going to the world cup!
Agreed, Just remember the names on here that are critizising him, Because when he is playing well in the Prem these same people will come on here and say, "I always said he was a good player" "We should never have sold him".
Lescott deserves a good move to show what he can do, In my eyes he is a Premiership player and a good one to. I for one wish him the best when he leaves, And wont feel bitter at all, He has done his best this season and I would say has been 1 of the better players most weeks. He may have had 4/5 bad games but so has Campbell and he is going to the world cup!
goldeneyed
15-05-2006, 12:48
The £4m or whatever will 'disappear'. Journeymen like Clyde or Edwards will fill in for Lescott. Another journeyman Craddock will be a permanent fixture. Gyepes wil not be ready till January at earliest, by which time the season will have been pretty much decided. We will scrape by and perhaps bring in someone raw from the lower leagues for 250k or a 35 year old Prem reject Luzhny Mark 2).
What a wondereful vision of the future. Keane and Lescott (if he goes) will cast a long shadow over our blighted club for many more years more reminding us all of what might have been with a half decent manager and board rather than the series of incompetent losers we have had.
I would far rather we got rid of Olo, Seol, Cort, Craddock, Silas (what a joke) as well as Cameron, Kennedy etc than lose a player who should be the rock around which we build a young team for the future and who should be fulfilling his potential with us. Judging by past history, in the unlikely event we do use any money from a Lescott sale it will be wasted on dross. Our only hope is to keep our home grown talent and develop it. But we won't.
What a wondereful vision of the future. Keane and Lescott (if he goes) will cast a long shadow over our blighted club for many more years more reminding us all of what might have been with a half decent manager and board rather than the series of incompetent losers we have had.
I would far rather we got rid of Olo, Seol, Cort, Craddock, Silas (what a joke) as well as Cameron, Kennedy etc than lose a player who should be the rock around which we build a young team for the future and who should be fulfilling his potential with us. Judging by past history, in the unlikely event we do use any money from a Lescott sale it will be wasted on dross. Our only hope is to keep our home grown talent and develop it. But we won't.
wolf of sedgley
15-05-2006, 12:56
Journeymen like Clyde
What?:confused:
What?:confused:
Papper
15-05-2006, 13:50
Agreed, Just remember the names on here that are critizising him, Because when he is playing well in the Prem these same people will come on here and say, "I always said he was a good player" "We should never have sold him".
I'm not criticising and i hope he succeeds but i just dont rate him as highly as other's on here do. He was excellent prior to his injury but very raw and i dont think he moved up that gear everybody thought he would. I think they are wise to cash in and anybody else in the current team should be flogged if the bid is high enough.
Time to completely rebuild, both on the pitch and amongst the coaching staff. We've got to believe that Hoddle can bring in better, hungrier players. Let's see what is in place before the season starts before we start decrying every movement in and out.
I'm prepared for a mid table finish next season but it may be more progressive than any of the last twenty. There are hatfuls of players who would bust a gut to play for Wolves unlike the majority in place at the moment.
I'm not criticising and i hope he succeeds but i just dont rate him as highly as other's on here do. He was excellent prior to his injury but very raw and i dont think he moved up that gear everybody thought he would. I think they are wise to cash in and anybody else in the current team should be flogged if the bid is high enough.
Time to completely rebuild, both on the pitch and amongst the coaching staff. We've got to believe that Hoddle can bring in better, hungrier players. Let's see what is in place before the season starts before we start decrying every movement in and out.
I'm prepared for a mid table finish next season but it may be more progressive than any of the last twenty. There are hatfuls of players who would bust a gut to play for Wolves unlike the majority in place at the moment.
bod101
15-05-2006, 14:18
lescott has played average this season. but it largely appears to be lack of concentration, much like most of the squad. but then the lack of concentration could be due to him not really being tested, a step up a division and that will change. his main weakness when going up a level will be keeping his arms down but potentially he can do well, but only imo if paired with a strong presence type of centre half.
as for whoever called clyde and edwards journeymen, perhaps they should have a think about what a journeyman is before making such comments.
as for whoever called clyde and edwards journeymen, perhaps they should have a think about what a journeyman is before making such comments.
Taffywolf
15-05-2006, 14:25
Ingimarsson is a far better player than Lescott who is an average defender and frustrated midfielder. Hopeless leader at the back, cant defend crosses, very slow etc. The Molineux crowd have an orgasm when he makes a simple tackle or passes a ball.
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
That sounds to me as though you are critisizing him. To compare him to Ingimarsson is an insult. He has been voted into the Championship team by fellow pro's, that have played against him week in and week out, they know a good player when they see one...
I think they'll get a decent sum for him but he'll flop badly in the premiership. Luke Rodgers and a host of other's this season made him look stupid.
That sounds to me as though you are critisizing him. To compare him to Ingimarsson is an insult. He has been voted into the Championship team by fellow pro's, that have played against him week in and week out, they know a good player when they see one...
goldeneyed
15-05-2006, 17:35
lescott has played average this season. but it largely appears to be lack of concentration, much like most of the squad. but then the lack of concentration could be due to him not really being tested, a step up a division and that will change. his main weakness when going up a level will be keeping his arms down but potentially he can do well, but only imo if paired with a strong presence type of centre half.
as for whoever called clyde and edwards journeymen, perhaps they should have a think about what a journeyman is before making such comments.
I did. A journeyman is "any hired workman", "one who works by the day" according to the dictionary definition. It signifies Mr Average. Clyde and Edwards so far in their career have been just that. Hopefully they can improve but they are way outside Lescott's class and next season we will see the difference. Clyde's continued injuries and Edwards weak ankles do not fill me with confidence.
as for whoever called clyde and edwards journeymen, perhaps they should have a think about what a journeyman is before making such comments.
I did. A journeyman is "any hired workman", "one who works by the day" according to the dictionary definition. It signifies Mr Average. Clyde and Edwards so far in their career have been just that. Hopefully they can improve but they are way outside Lescott's class and next season we will see the difference. Clyde's continued injuries and Edwards weak ankles do not fill me with confidence.
Uncle Festa
15-05-2006, 17:56
As we all know, Lescott's game is all about marking forwards out of the game. You ask him to mark any player in the Premiership and he will come out on top - there is no better man marker in the country. His distribution is poor by the standards he sets himself in other areas and I can't see this ever improving to be honest. Lescott is an athlete, a beast in the words of Jones, someone who surprised the academy staff in terms of his quick progression because he ain't a gifted footballer - but you try getting round him on a one on one. He will flourish in the Premiership given the right role to play. We will miss him, but not like we missed him when we went up. As soon as he got injured I knew we would struggle in the Premiership - this shouldn't be the case in the Championship. Clyde is an International and man marked Bellamy out of the Wales - N Ireland game, Lowe is a very good young centre half, Craddock would get in most Championship sides, and Gypes is another International. Putting it in to context, losing Lescott isn't going to hit us as much as when Camarra walked out, Ndah being constantly injurred, or playing a 4ft Polish plumber up front. The forward line will be our down fall whether Lescott moves or not.
Papper
15-05-2006, 19:39
Clyde is an International and man marked Bellamy out of the Wales - N Ireland game, Lowe is a very good young centre half, Craddock would get in most Championship sides, and Gypes is another International. Putting it in to context, losing Lescott isn't going to hit us as much as when Camarra walked out, Ndah being constantly injurred, or playing a 4ft Polish plumber up front. The forward line will be our down fall whether Lescott moves or not.
Wise words IMO. Clyde has played in the Premiership and fared quite well, Craddock and Gyepes are steady. Not sure about Lowe. The plumber will come good if Hoddle can bolster the midfield, introduce a couple of quick wide players and possibly the left back position. Whether they promote a couple of youth team players or buy shrewdly will be interesting to say the least.
What worries me is that when they sold Keane they went and bought Blobby, Branchy and a Georgian Lunatic.
Wise words IMO. Clyde has played in the Premiership and fared quite well, Craddock and Gyepes are steady. Not sure about Lowe. The plumber will come good if Hoddle can bolster the midfield, introduce a couple of quick wide players and possibly the left back position. Whether they promote a couple of youth team players or buy shrewdly will be interesting to say the least.
What worries me is that when they sold Keane they went and bought Blobby, Branchy and a Georgian Lunatic.
quirky_birky
15-05-2006, 20:25
What worries me is that when they sold Keane they went and bought Blobby, Branchy and a Georgian Lunatic.
... and Akinbiyi, who scored 20+ goals and made us a tidy profit when we sold him.
... and Akinbiyi, who scored 20+ goals and made us a tidy profit when we sold him.
I.D.
15-05-2006, 20:40
What worries me is that when they sold Keane they went and bought Blobby, Branchy and a Georgian Lunatic.
Your memory is almost as good as your judgement of Wolves players. Or to put it another way, your memory is absolutely $$$$.
Your memory is almost as good as your judgement of Wolves players. Or to put it another way, your memory is absolutely $$$$.
Papper
16-05-2006, 00:36
Your memory is almost as good as your judgement of Wolves players. Or to put it another way, your memory is absolutely $$$$.
Well if i had crystal clear memory and 100% sound judgement i would be one of the stooges on the Wolves Parliament wouldn't i? Oh to be self important eh ;)
Well if i had crystal clear memory and 100% sound judgement i would be one of the stooges on the Wolves Parliament wouldn't i? Oh to be self important eh ;)
I.D.
16-05-2006, 08:00
Well if i had crystal clear memory and 100% sound judgement i would be one of the stooges on the Wolves Parliament wouldn't i? Oh to be self important eh ;)
If you had a half decent memory, you would know that I'm not on the Wolves Parliament. Quite what that has to do with your judgement of Lescott and your poor memory of Wolves past signings I don't know.
Lescott has been Wolves young player of the season and full player of the season, he has picked up England youth honours and is still rated by most people as an excellent player. Premier League managers are amongst the people that rate him as an excellent player and apparantly, managers of successful clubs from abroad also do.
The money from Keane was used to buy Akinbiyi, who went on to top score for Wolves that season. With Akinbiyi's goals, Wolves finished 7th in the league- not a complete disaster, apparantly.
If you are going to make statements about Lescott being not all he is cracked up to be and transfer money being wasted, get the facts straight. If you have memory problems, look it up on the internet.;)
If you had a half decent memory, you would know that I'm not on the Wolves Parliament. Quite what that has to do with your judgement of Lescott and your poor memory of Wolves past signings I don't know.
Lescott has been Wolves young player of the season and full player of the season, he has picked up England youth honours and is still rated by most people as an excellent player. Premier League managers are amongst the people that rate him as an excellent player and apparantly, managers of successful clubs from abroad also do.
The money from Keane was used to buy Akinbiyi, who went on to top score for Wolves that season. With Akinbiyi's goals, Wolves finished 7th in the league- not a complete disaster, apparantly.
If you are going to make statements about Lescott being not all he is cracked up to be and transfer money being wasted, get the facts straight. If you have memory problems, look it up on the internet.;)
basher
16-05-2006, 08:47
Clyde is an International and man marked Bellamy out of the Wales - N Ireland game, Lowe is a very good young centre half, Craddock would get in most Championship sides, and Gypes is another International. Putting it in to context, losing Lescott isn't going to hit us as much as when Camarra walked out, Ndah being constantly injurred, or playing a 4ft Polish plumber up front. The forward line will be our down fall whether Lescott moves or not.
Clyde - hardly played in the last two seasons. Seems to suffer from lots of niggling little injuries.
Gypes - Having read how bad his injury is I'd be very surprised if we see him next season!!!! And if we do you have to wonder after something like that how much of his game will have been taken away??
Whilst acknowledging that Craddock and Lowe "could do a job" I would argue that having Lescott next season would be infinitely more preferrable!!
Clyde - hardly played in the last two seasons. Seems to suffer from lots of niggling little injuries.
Gypes - Having read how bad his injury is I'd be very surprised if we see him next season!!!! And if we do you have to wonder after something like that how much of his game will have been taken away??
Whilst acknowledging that Craddock and Lowe "could do a job" I would argue that having Lescott next season would be infinitely more preferrable!!
brummywolf
16-05-2006, 09:22
Whilst acknowledging that Craddock and Lowe "could do a job" I would argue that having Lescott next season would be infinitely more preferrable!!
Exactly. It will become apparent as to how reliant we are on Lescott if we have to rely on our current defenders to fill the gap left. As much as they can 'do a job' on their day, I really can't see Lowe or Edwards as effective replacements. If Lescott goes, which I hope he doesnt, a replacement (or two) is imperative and it can't be some dodgy stop gap free transfer who can fill the void for a few games a la Maurice Ross.
Exactly. It will become apparent as to how reliant we are on Lescott if we have to rely on our current defenders to fill the gap left. As much as they can 'do a job' on their day, I really can't see Lowe or Edwards as effective replacements. If Lescott goes, which I hope he doesnt, a replacement (or two) is imperative and it can't be some dodgy stop gap free transfer who can fill the void for a few games a la Maurice Ross.
hoop
16-05-2006, 10:08
Lescott needs to play along side a strong leader.
When he was playing with Keith Curle and then Butler he looked superb.
Unfortunately for Lescott he is no leader, and the defence needs a captain and organizer. Something we haven't got.
When he was playing with Keith Curle and then Butler he looked superb.
Unfortunately for Lescott he is no leader, and the defence needs a captain and organizer. Something we haven't got.
AndyP
16-05-2006, 10:50
Exactly. It will become apparent as to how reliant we are on Lescott if we have to rely on our current defenders to fill the gap left. As much as they can 'do a job' on their day, I really can't see Lowe or Edwards as effective replacements. If Lescott goes, which I hope he doesnt, a replacement (or two) is imperative and it can't be some dodgy stop gap free transfer who can fill the void for a few games a la Maurice Ross.
I would have kept Ross. At least he showed some fight and was vocal, a bit of pace down the flanks was useful as well. Would much rather see McNamara in the holding midfield role next season, At the moment he's looking like our most important and accomplished player.
I would have kept Ross. At least he showed some fight and was vocal, a bit of pace down the flanks was useful as well. Would much rather see McNamara in the holding midfield role next season, At the moment he's looking like our most important and accomplished player.
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 12:13
Today from the football rumours website haha
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
wolf of sedgley
16-05-2006, 12:24
Today from the football rumours website haha
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
If that happened i'd be doing cartwheels in the street.
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
If that happened i'd be doing cartwheels in the street.
tipton81
16-05-2006, 12:30
Today from the football rumours website haha
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
As much as I'd love that to be true I doubt it is, that website is reknown for posters churning out complete drivel.
Do you reckon Alliadiere would move away from the bright lights and play for us full time?
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
As much as I'd love that to be true I doubt it is, that website is reknown for posters churning out complete drivel.
Do you reckon Alliadiere would move away from the bright lights and play for us full time?
glasgowwolf
16-05-2006, 12:37
So much Carp spoken. In amongst the carp are some liitle gems.
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
One problem he will have ! He has lost a yard of pace, his positioning has not improved, only now he does not have the pace to recover. This is why this season he has looked worse than he ever has.
4 Million will be a good deal.
Wherever he goes he will always need a leader a Captain someone along side him.
A Ferdinand, Cambell and perhaps the best of them all a Terry, someone like those players
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
One problem he will have ! He has lost a yard of pace, his positioning has not improved, only now he does not have the pace to recover. This is why this season he has looked worse than he ever has.
4 Million will be a good deal.
Wherever he goes he will always need a leader a Captain someone along side him.
A Ferdinand, Cambell and perhaps the best of them all a Terry, someone like those players
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 12:38
As much as I'd love that to be true I doubt it is, that website is reknown for posters churning out complete drivel.
Do you reckon Alliadiere would move away from the bright lights and play for us full time?
Thats why I put a big haha on the end.
As for Alliadiere why not? He wont play for Arsenal and he needs games a full season and 20 goal would either help us get promoted or a move back to the big time and money in the bank for us.
Do you reckon Alliadiere would move away from the bright lights and play for us full time?
Thats why I put a big haha on the end.
As for Alliadiere why not? He wont play for Arsenal and he needs games a full season and 20 goal would either help us get promoted or a move back to the big time and money in the bank for us.
basher
16-05-2006, 12:47
So much Carp spoken. In amongst the carp are some liitle gems.
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
He has obviously come on leaps and bounds since you left then!!!!
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
He has obviously come on leaps and bounds since you left then!!!!
Brizzlewolf
16-05-2006, 12:51
Today from the football rumours website haha
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
Really? Is this true? Golly! :rolleyes:
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
Really? Is this true? Golly! :rolleyes:
Papper
16-05-2006, 13:09
If you had a half decent memory, you would know that I'm not on the Wolves Parliament.
We should be thankful for small mercies. You wouldn't have the temperament - too busy trying to point score. Very bombastic.
Lescott has been Wolves young player of the season and full player of the season, he has picked up England youth honours and is still rated by most people as an excellent player. Premier League managers are amongst the people that rate him as an excellent player and apparantly, managers of successful clubs from abroad also do.
You are entitled to your opinion and so am i. This a football forum based on opinions dont ya know!
The money from Keane was used to buy Akinbiyi, who went on to top score for Wolves that season. With Akinbiyi's goals, Wolves finished 7th in the league- not a complete disaster, apparantly.
If you are going to make statements about Lescott being not all he is cracked up to be and transfer money being wasted, get the facts straight. If you have memory problems, look it up on the internet.;)
I was aware of those facts but got my Akinbiyi's mixed up with my Keane's. I do not have a perfect memory like you oh great one. May i offer my humblest apologies to everybody who read it. My general point though was that i hope we dont waste any windfall from selling players like Lescott on complete crap and i assume, perhaps naively having bowed to your obvious greatness this was a point not missed by the majority of contributor's.
We should be thankful for small mercies. You wouldn't have the temperament - too busy trying to point score. Very bombastic.
Lescott has been Wolves young player of the season and full player of the season, he has picked up England youth honours and is still rated by most people as an excellent player. Premier League managers are amongst the people that rate him as an excellent player and apparantly, managers of successful clubs from abroad also do.
You are entitled to your opinion and so am i. This a football forum based on opinions dont ya know!
The money from Keane was used to buy Akinbiyi, who went on to top score for Wolves that season. With Akinbiyi's goals, Wolves finished 7th in the league- not a complete disaster, apparantly.
If you are going to make statements about Lescott being not all he is cracked up to be and transfer money being wasted, get the facts straight. If you have memory problems, look it up on the internet.;)
I was aware of those facts but got my Akinbiyi's mixed up with my Keane's. I do not have a perfect memory like you oh great one. May i offer my humblest apologies to everybody who read it. My general point though was that i hope we dont waste any windfall from selling players like Lescott on complete crap and i assume, perhaps naively having bowed to your obvious greatness this was a point not missed by the majority of contributor's.
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 15:04
Lescott in hint to Blues
May 16 2006
By Dominic King, Liverpool Echo
JOLEON LESCOTT has paved the way for a summer move to Everton by making it clear he favours trying his luck in the Premiership rather than La Liga.
UEFA Cup winners Seville are reportedly keen on signing Wolvesundefined central defender and are ready to offer £4m for the 23-year-old.
But it is understood the elegant Lescott, the star performer for Glenn Hoddle's side last season, does not want to uproot too far from his home in Birmingham.
Newcastle United are also keeping an eye on affairs but David Moyes - who confirmed last week that he is ready to sign a defender after allowing Matteo Ferrari to return to AS Roma - appears to be leading the chase for Lescott.
Wolves have not received any official bids yet but accept it is a case of when, not if, Lescott will leave after failing to gain promotion. Informal talks have already been held with his representatives and Wolves won't stand in Lescott's way.
May 16 2006
By Dominic King, Liverpool Echo
JOLEON LESCOTT has paved the way for a summer move to Everton by making it clear he favours trying his luck in the Premiership rather than La Liga.
UEFA Cup winners Seville are reportedly keen on signing Wolvesundefined central defender and are ready to offer £4m for the 23-year-old.
But it is understood the elegant Lescott, the star performer for Glenn Hoddle's side last season, does not want to uproot too far from his home in Birmingham.
Newcastle United are also keeping an eye on affairs but David Moyes - who confirmed last week that he is ready to sign a defender after allowing Matteo Ferrari to return to AS Roma - appears to be leading the chase for Lescott.
Wolves have not received any official bids yet but accept it is a case of when, not if, Lescott will leave after failing to gain promotion. Informal talks have already been held with his representatives and Wolves won't stand in Lescott's way.
brummywolf
16-05-2006, 15:06
Where's the hint :confused:
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 15:12
Where's the hint :confused:
I can do journalism its easy, head up the story with a grand headline, then dont back it up in the article....
I can do journalism its easy, head up the story with a grand headline, then dont back it up in the article....
fenella
16-05-2006, 15:13
May i offer my humblest apologies to everybody who read it. My general point though was that i hope we dont waste any windfall from selling players like Lescott on complete crap
Apology accepted. Sadly, since the "windfall" will largely be used to pay the enormous salaries of employees like Moxey and Hoddle I'm afraid your hopes won't come true.
Apology accepted. Sadly, since the "windfall" will largely be used to pay the enormous salaries of employees like Moxey and Hoddle I'm afraid your hopes won't come true.
Florida Wolfey
16-05-2006, 15:27
So much Carp spoken. In amongst the carp are some liitle gems.
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
One problem he will have ! He has lost a yard of pace, his positioning has not improved, only now he does not have the pace to recover. This is why this season he has looked worse than he ever has.
4 Million will be a good deal.
Wherever he goes he will always need a leader a Captain someone along side him.
A Ferdinand, Cambell and perhaps the best of them all a Terry, someone like those players
I'd agree with all of that. I always thought he used his pace to get himself out of trouble and with some of that now missing he really needs to work more on reading the game. I totally agree with having a strong leader next to him as well....that's why a move to the Prem. is imperative if he is to fulfil his potential. Only then will we all know just how good he is. I am yet to be convinced.
But don't get me wrong here....I like him. He's stayed loyal to us and really wanted to be part of a successful Wolves team. At times he has been truly excellent but it's time to move on.
Lescott is not a Leader I remember a training course we went on where we spoke at length about some of the academy players who had come through. Lescott was one of theose players we had to mark him on certain aspects of his game.
His leadership was the lowest.
His positioning was lower than average.
His speed was top marks
His heading at the time was above average
His concentration was above average.
His distribution was average, mainly because he used to give it to Naylor to launch it long.
The reason his concentration has gone backwards is the lack of a talker to keep him switched on. Something Butler was very very good at.
He needs to improve that side of the game.
One problem he will have ! He has lost a yard of pace, his positioning has not improved, only now he does not have the pace to recover. This is why this season he has looked worse than he ever has.
4 Million will be a good deal.
Wherever he goes he will always need a leader a Captain someone along side him.
A Ferdinand, Cambell and perhaps the best of them all a Terry, someone like those players
I'd agree with all of that. I always thought he used his pace to get himself out of trouble and with some of that now missing he really needs to work more on reading the game. I totally agree with having a strong leader next to him as well....that's why a move to the Prem. is imperative if he is to fulfil his potential. Only then will we all know just how good he is. I am yet to be convinced.
But don't get me wrong here....I like him. He's stayed loyal to us and really wanted to be part of a successful Wolves team. At times he has been truly excellent but it's time to move on.
quirky_birky
16-05-2006, 22:46
Lescott needs to play along side a strong leader.
When he was playing with Keith Curle and then Butler he looked superb.
Unfortunately for Lescott he is no leader, and the defence needs a captain and organizer. Something we haven't got.
Did Lescott ever play with Curle? I thought Curle had left by the time Lescott made his debut? Could just be my memory playing tricks.
When he was playing with Keith Curle and then Butler he looked superb.
Unfortunately for Lescott he is no leader, and the defence needs a captain and organizer. Something we haven't got.
Did Lescott ever play with Curle? I thought Curle had left by the time Lescott made his debut? Could just be my memory playing tricks.
Deutsch Wolf
16-05-2006, 22:54
Did Lescott ever play with Curle? I thought Curle had left by the time Lescott made his debut? Could just be my memory playing tricks.
You're right, Curle left at the end of the 1999-2000 season, Lescott made his debut on the opening day of the following season.
You're right, Curle left at the end of the 1999-2000 season, Lescott made his debut on the opening day of the following season.
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 22:57
Did Lescott ever play with Curle? I thought Curle had left by the time Lescott made his debut? Could just be my memory playing tricks.
Curle left 04/07/2000
Lescott debut v Sheff Wed 13/08/2000
Although they must of played alongside each other in reserve games the season before.
Curle left 04/07/2000
Lescott debut v Sheff Wed 13/08/2000
Although they must of played alongside each other in reserve games the season before.
quirky_birky
16-05-2006, 23:04
You're right, Curle left at the end of the 1999-2000 season, Lescott made his debut on the opening day of the following season.
Sounds about right - we were left with a large hole in defence which was why Lescott was drafted in. Debut was alongside Pollet I think.
Sounds about right - we were left with a large hole in defence which was why Lescott was drafted in. Debut was alongside Pollet I think.
Stewarton Wolf
16-05-2006, 23:42
Line up v Sheff Wed
Wolves: Oakes ,Muscat ,Naylor ,Pollet ,Emblen ,Bazeley ,Osborn ,Ketsbaia ,Branch ,Sinton ,Lescott
Subs not used: Robinson,Sedgley,Taylor,Camara,Murray,
Wolves: Oakes ,Muscat ,Naylor ,Pollet ,Emblen ,Bazeley ,Osborn ,Ketsbaia ,Branch ,Sinton ,Lescott
Subs not used: Robinson,Sedgley,Taylor,Camara,Murray,
paddingtonwolf
17-05-2006, 08:28
What an utterly sheeite line up that was!
hoop
17-05-2006, 09:33
Curle left 04/07/2000
Lescott debut v Sheff Wed 13/08/2000
Although they must of played alongside each other in reserve games the season before.
Oops :o
I was thinking of Dean Richards. (Another player who played better with a strong leader next to him)
Lescott debut v Sheff Wed 13/08/2000
Although they must of played alongside each other in reserve games the season before.
Oops :o
I was thinking of Dean Richards. (Another player who played better with a strong leader next to him)
goldeneyed
17-05-2006, 10:26
Today from the football rumours website haha
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
If only. Hoyte and Aliadiere are class and if Hod got them in all past sins would be forgiven. Unfortunately just can't see it ever happening.
My brother is mates with Joleon Lescott and I've heard almost direct from him that he is on his way to Highbury as part of a swap deal involving Jeremie Aliadiere and Justin Hoyte! This is absolute fact he's been a family friend for years. He is set to be an understudy to Campbell, whose recent difficulties have cost him a lot of form.DEFINITELY TRUE.
If only. Hoyte and Aliadiere are class and if Hod got them in all past sins would be forgiven. Unfortunately just can't see it ever happening.
brummywolf
17-05-2006, 12:27
I see Gary Breen has been released by Sunderland. Very poor this season in the Prem but is definitely competent at Championship level. Could be a good replacement if JLo leaves. OK he doesn't fit the young, hungry and lowering the wage bill category but just thought I'd point it out.
Taffywolf
17-05-2006, 13:44
It's ok having young players in the squad but they need a couple of experienced players that they can look up to and can help through games.. Someone like Breen would be good but don't think he would come for as little as Wolves would offer..
ProudWolf
17-05-2006, 15:36
It's ok having young players in the squad but they need a couple of experienced players that they can look up to and can help through games.. Someone like Breen would be good but don't think he would come for as little as Wolves would offer..
Why would we want someone like Gary Breen when Craddock's still under contract for another two years or more? One of the two is bad enough, lets not contemplate both at the club.
Why would we want someone like Gary Breen when Craddock's still under contract for another two years or more? One of the two is bad enough, lets not contemplate both at the club.
Uncle Festa
17-05-2006, 16:48
Looking at that line up, perhaps people will realise why Jones had to spend so much money to get the team to promotion material.
dazmanwolf
17-05-2006, 16:57
I don't care where he goes as long as we get top dollar for him!
His value as an asset is now outweighed by his financial value to the club.
He has been a great servant, but lets sell and move on sooner rather than later.
His value as an asset is now outweighed by his financial value to the club.
He has been a great servant, but lets sell and move on sooner rather than later.
quirky_birky
17-05-2006, 19:45
Looking at that line up, perhaps people will realise why Jones had to spend so much money to get the team to promotion material.
That team finished 7th the previous season. Admittedly, they also had Curle and Akinbiyi then, but compare that squad with our current squad and consider that they achieved the same :(.
That team finished 7th the previous season. Admittedly, they also had Curle and Akinbiyi then, but compare that squad with our current squad and consider that they achieved the same :(.
