Its all gone very quiet

[Stewarton Wolf]

No post match text update from the club.

No post match comments from the manager.

SJH back in the country.

Moxeys comments in the programme.

Do you think tempers may be a little frayed within the club?

Will we see white smoke over the weekend?

[Wulfhere]

Did Jack have his black cap on?

[gornal wolf]

He had the golden tit statement in his hand.He had the tit (hoddle) sitting 2 seats from him.

[holloholloway]

dave jones wasted 25 million on players, hoddle has only spent 1.5 million on frankowski, surely we cannot say glenn is worse than dave jones unless glenn has been given the same amount of money to spend. Does anyone agree?

[It's Mixu Paatelainen]

He's spent 1.5M on Frankowski and then said that he doesn't know how to fit him into our formation! God only knows who we'd end up with if we gave him 25M

[Stewarton Wolf]

dave jones wasted 25 million on players, hoddle has only spent 1.5 million on frankowski, surely we cannot say glenn is worse than dave jones unless glenn has been given the same amount of money to spend. Does anyone agree?

I totally agree, SJH is the core of the problem, with his whim management. Point per pound hoddle will be miles better value. I dont have a real problem with him staying if the board is honest with the fans and sets out what they are prepared to do.

[holloholloway]

All of us should pause for a minute and think about this. I'll tell you who's responsible for the underachievment of the last 15 years. Not sir jack, not the managers, not the chief executive. It is now clear, it's the chief scout George Foster, this is the man who is responsible for recommending all the players that the managers bought over the years. This is the man who recommended haarvard flo and robert niestroj, through to mark atkins, right up until frankowski. Does anyone think that george foster is a culprit for our misfortune. I mean, the guy sent people to crewe week in week out but we never bought the likes of ashton, hulse, platt. Maybe he is too blame, because whatever way you look at it wolves never buy young up and coming players.

[Grinder]

Lets all look forward to next season, our promotion season.

[RyanWolf]

He's spent 1.5M on Frankowski and then said that he doesn't know how to fit him into our formation! God only knows who we'd end up with if we gave him 25M

We'd have a quality bench, wouldn't we!

[dazmanwolf]

We're all dooooooooooooooomed I tell ye!

[I.D.]

I totally agree, SJH is the core of the problem, with his whim management. Point per pound hoddle will be miles better value. I dont have a real problem with him staying if the board is honest with the fans and sets out what they are prepared to do.

Really? So Jones gets us to our highest finish in about 20 years in his first full season in charge and then gets us promoted the next, but Hoddle is better value?

What are you saying? Should SJH have not given Jones the money that ended up getting us promoted? Or should he have let Hoddle waste £20million before he considered him a failure?

SJH trusts Moxey to run WWFC 1990, that's it.

SJH ploughed in his money to help Jones get us to the Premier League and in the current climate of teams getting promoted on less than it costs us for one player, he has been advised to spend no more. Simple as. I don't blame him. It must $$$$ him off when he sees egocentric maniacs getting teams into the Premier League on a tenth of what he has spent.

[RyanWolf]

The whole DJ is the first manager to do this and that blah, blah... Simply put we bought promotion that year (even though DJ tried his best to $$$$$ it up with the best part of £20m spent).

[Stewarton Wolf]

Really? So Jones gets us to our highest finish in about 20 years in his first full season in charge and then gets us promoted the next, but Hoddle is better value?

What are you saying? Should SJH have not given Jones the money that ended up getting us promoted? Or should he have let Hoddle waste £20million before he considered him a failure?

SJH trusts Moxey to run WWFC 1990, that's it.

SJH ploughed in his money to help Jones get us to the Premier League and in the current climate of teams getting promoted on less than it costs us for one player, he has been advised to spend no more. Simple as. I don't blame him. It must $$$$ him off when he sees egocentric maniacs getting teams into the Premier League on a tenth of what he has spent.

No what I'm saying on the basis of both managers first full season in charge neither secured promotion. However Jones spent considerably more and as such his failure to deliver could in many respects be considered greater than hoddles. In fact you could go as far to say that Hoddle made a £1.6m profit on the basis of Camara out Frankie in. While Jones spent £11.65m recouping £1.75m a loss of £9.9m. Now do you get it.

As for SJH trust Moxey thats fine, but in all reality he isn't doing that well either is he.

My distrust/distain for SJH is pretty well established and if you search my posts on here and the old E&S board are pretty consistant. He has created this situation. He talks a good game but fails to deliver.

[I.D.]

As for SJH trust Moxey thats fine, but in all reality he isn't doing that well either is he.

My distrust/distain for SJH is pretty well established and if you search my posts on here and the old E&S board are pretty consistant. He has created this situation. He talks a good game but fails to deliver.

I know what you mean now! I hate having to go and sit in that ramshackle ground that SJH had built and I hated every minute of that Premier League season that I had to sit through.

As much as I have poured scorn on the alleged pie scoffer, I've got to admire the increase in turnover that he has brought about and the way that he has got his chums to plough their hard earned cash into Wolves. I also have to admit to being envious of the way that the $$$$$$$ earns as much in a year as I do in ten years.

Perhaps you have a problem with envy too.

[wolf of sedgley]

Look, at the end of the day BOTH dave and glenn are $$$$.

[I.D.]

Look, at the end of the day BOTH dave and glenn are $$$$.

For every team like Chelsea that has acheived success by getting new club owners, there are twenty teams that have been more successful by getting a new manager. There are also teams like Derby and Barnsley who have sunk further under new ownership.

Then again, what do I know? These are only facts backed up by statistics and as we all know, statistics are rubbish.

[Stewarton Wolf]

I know what you mean now! I hate having to go and sit in that ramshackle ground that SJH had built and I hated every minute of that Premier League season that I had to sit through.

As much as I have poured scorn on the alleged pie scoffer, I've got to admire the increase in turnover that he has brought about and the way that he has got his chums to plough their hard earned cash into Wolves. I also have to admit to being envious of the way that the $$$$$$$ earns as much in a year as I do in ten years.

Perhaps you have a problem with envy too.

Where was he when the club was in crisis, try not to believe all the revisionist history that the haywards and there lackie's spout. The club was saved and placed on an even financial state before sjh came in (wolverhampton mbc/Gallaghers/Homden/Harris). The ground didnt cost the £40m now quoted, it was £15m.

Yes WWFC is now haywards toy but its a toy (never truely valued see - Jack walker - dave Whelan etc) he lost interest in and he has left it at the bottom of the garden to rust. The man is a multi multi millionaire he could have spent more when we were promoted but put the club up for sale. the man is an arse and he has ruined our club and any opportunity it has to prosper by his shortsighted management by senile whim.

[wolf of sedgley]

For every team like Chelsea that has acheived success by getting new club owners, there are twenty teams that have been more successful by getting a new manager. There are also teams like Derby and Barnsley who have sunk further under new ownership.

Then again, what do I know? These are only facts backed up by statistics and as we all know, statistics are rubbish.
At the end of the day, Wolves are destined to be screwed over no matter how much money /managers we throw at it. I've come to realise that even if we had Wenger in charge we'd still $$$$ it up.

[siunt]

SJH has done alot of good for this club, but he is at the root of all the problems. We will never progress as a club, until we have a definate set of goals and some real direction, this can only come from the top, and with the Haywards we have never stood any chance of success. Throwing money at a problem does nothing!

[I.D.]

Where was he when the club was in crisis, try not to believe all the revisionist history that the haywards and there lackie's spout. The club was saved and placed on an even financial state before sjh came in (wolverhampton mbc/Gallaghers/Homden/Harris). The ground didnt cost the £40m now quoted, it was £15m.

Yes WWFC is now haywards toy but its a toy (never truely valued see - Jack walker - dave Whelan etc) he lost interest in and he has left it at the bottom of the garden to rust. The man is a multi multi millionaire he could have spent more when we were promoted but put the club up for sale. the man is an arse and he has ruined our club and any opportunity it has to prosper by his shortsighted management by senile whim.

Wow! You've blown me away with factual and logical argument. I hate the man too now.

Who said anything about how much the ground cost?

Sir Jack Walker spent many millions geting his team into the Premier League and even won it, how many trophies have they won lately?

Dave Whelan spent a pittance getting his team to the Premier League and went through 8 managers in 10 years.

What are you advocating? That SJH should have spent about £100million so whining, ungrateful $$$$$$$s like you might stop whining? I bet that if you were a Blackburn fan that you would be moaning that they had only won the Premier League title once.

Maybe you think that SJH should have guaranteed success without spending the money, if so we have to go through another 8 managers before we get back to the Premier League.

Who are the history revisionists? SJH offered his money long before it was accepted. Where were the great saviours when we were playing in a ground with only two sides usable? Why didn't they build a new ground then? Who still insists on clinging onto the lease of the earth that the stadium is built on?

For the exciting answers to these questions and the secret of how to win the Premier League, contact Stewarton Wolf.

P.S. I don't believe that you and that Highlander are even Scotch at all, you are just making it up.

[I.D.]

Sorry for calling anyone an ungrateful $$$$$$$, I didn't realise that the swear filter would let me do that.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Wow! You've blown me away with factual and logical argument. I hate the man too now.

R:Great I’m glad soon I can break it to you that there is no Santa

Who said anything about how much the ground cost?

R:It was an example of SJH revisionist history of WWFC

Sir Jack Walker spent many millions geting his team into the Premier League and even won it, how many trophies have they won lately?

R: An established Premier league side challenging for a champions league place, with a recent league cup win. 1993 looks a lot better than 1959.

Dave Whelan spent a pittance getting his team to the Premier League and went through 8 managers in 10 years.

R:Still there though and lasted longer than us, got to a domestic final and have wolves reject leading the line for them. He had a plan and stuck to it.

What are you advocating? That SJH should have spent about £100million so whining, ungrateful $$$$$$$s like you might stop whining? I bet that if you were a Blackburn fan that you would be moaning that they had only won the Premier League title once.

R:No I’m not. I’m suggesting he should run the club properly or let someone else do without stupid clauses such as I will only sell it to someone British, or if he’s such a jolly old chap and love the club that much why doesn’t he give it to someone who cares.

Maybe you think that SJH should have guaranteed success without spending the money, if so we have to go through another 8 managers before we get back to the Premier League.

R:Whelan took the club from 4th Division to Premier League Hayward took over an established 2nd division side. And has sacked 6 managers for one promotion

Who are the history revisionists? SJH offered his money long before it was accepted. Where were the great saviours when we were playing in a ground with only two sides usable? Why didn't they build a new ground then? Who still insists on clinging onto the lease of the earth that the stadium is built on?

R:To protect the land for football use, and also because they don’t trust SJH

For the exciting answers to these questions and the secret of how to win the Premier League, contact Stewarton Wolf.

R:Meanwhile on ID’s planet a good manager is some who get $$$$ed in front of his team and can’t string two words together.

P.S. I don't believe that you and that Highlander are even Scotch at all, you are just making it up.

R:Eh? Scotch is a Whisky…!

[BlahBlah]

What are you advocating? That SJH should have spent about £100million so whining, ungrateful $$$$$$$s like you might stop whining?

I think the reason is somewhere in between ID.
It's common knowledge now that every neutral pundit (the latest being Alex Ferguson in January) stated that Wolves did not invest enough money to survive in the Prem......it wasn't just whining ungrateful fans whining.
If we'd have INVESTED a little more in the Prem season we might have been self-sufficient by now and SJH wouldn't be lumbered with this dead weight around his neck. I am still completely mystified as to why the money was cut off when we were finally in the position of being able to EARN the club money and consolidate. We went down by a few points and our future has been bleak ever since.

[I.D.]

I'm cringing when I read this back this morning, although I don't disagree entirely with my own sentiments.

BlahBlah,

we are going over old ground again, but without some baffling managerial decisions and some baffling refereeing decisions we would have survived in the Premier League. How ironic that SJH should be hurt by critisism about not spending enough money, to then sanction the spending of more money and thus allow Jones to buy an unfit player and an incapable goalkeeper.

Had SJH said that there was no more money to spend, we would have had to carry on with players who were just hitting their best form of the season. It was within us to take 6 points from the Portsmouth and Leeds games and instead we took one. This was due to a toothless attacking display and a goalkeeping horror show.

No amount of money could have changed some of the refereeing decisions that went against us in a couple of games.

[BlahBlah]

Yes, we suffered with refs like Rennie at home against Bolton and suffered cruel late blows at Liverpool and Man City towards the end...but we also put on our own horror shows after Xmas against the likes of Villa.
Our team overachieved that season because, lets face it...we started out with the weakest squad and ended up the weakest team and finished last. Every manager makes wrong decisions, and the referee excuse is weak. We just needed to do so much more and didn't.

[Spa Wolf]

Excellent posts Stewarton.

They don't, and never have had a bloody clue how to run a succesful football club.

[UNCLE REMUS]

dave jones wasted 25 million on players, hoddle has only spent 1.5 million on frankowski, surely we cannot say glenn is worse than dave jones unless glenn has been given the same amount of money to spend. Does anyone agree?


Emphatically No!

[I.D.]

To protect the land for football use, and also because they don’t trust SJH

I may have been winding you up a bit after a few drinks, but the only thing that could be more pathetic than you truly believing that statement was if it was actually true.

So are we to believe that SJH bought Wolves with a view to bulldozing Molineux and building office blocks, only to find that he had been outflanked by those clever guys at the Council? So then I presume that the irate Hayward realised that he had been outwitted and decided that he might as well sink £40million or more into the bottomless pit that is a football club.

He'd have got away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

[Black Suit]

Emphatically No!

Me either.

[Stewarton Wolf]

I may have been winding you up a bit after a few drinks, but the only thing that could be more pathetic than you truly believing that statement was if it was actually true.

So are we to believe that SJH bought Wolves with a view to bulldozing Molineux and building office blocks, only to find that he had been outflanked by those clever guys at the Council? So then I presume that the irate Hayward realised that he had been outwitted and decided that he might as well sink £40million or more into the bottomless pit that is a football club.

He'd have got away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids.

I was at the Council for a number of years when WWFC tried to buy the freehold but were rejected on the basis that they did not want allow the opportunity for the site to be brought forward as a site for other than football. That why the site reserved as a stadium site within the development plan and not given a generalised zoning.

[Bull Army]

Sir Jack Walker spent many millions geting his team into the Premier League and even won it, how many trophies have they won lately?

R: An established Premier league side challenging for a champions league place, with a recent league cup win. 1993 looks a lot better than 1959.

Let's not forget that Jack Walker watched his team get relegated 6 years later and wasn't alive when they went back up.

[The Bear]

Hoddle may have spent £1.5m on Frankowski, but Jones spent £1m on Silas and never ever gave the bloke a chance.

That's a bigger $$$$-up if you ask me. He also bought Seol and Olofinjana for another £3m, so to intimate it is Hoddle who is the money waster, maybe we ought to point the finger at the CEO who lets that amount of money leave.

[ooh la la]

dave jones wasted 25 million on players, hoddle has only spent 1.5 million on frankowski, surely we cannot say glenn is worse than dave jones unless glenn has been given the same amount of money to spend. Does anyone agree?

Why does everything have to be a comparison with DJ? Is it because DJ got us up and this clown Hoddle can hardly get us out of the tunnel.

[Metro Wolf]

All of us should pause for a minute and think about this. I'll tell you who's responsible for the underachievment of the last 15 years. Not sir jack, not the managers, not the chief executive. It is now clear, it's the chief scout George Foster, this is the man who is responsible for recommending all the players that the managers bought over the years. This is the man who recommended haarvard flo and robert niestroj, through to mark atkins, right up until frankowski. Does anyone think that george foster is a culprit for our misfortune. I mean, the guy sent people to crewe week in week out but we never bought the likes of ashton, hulse, platt. Maybe he is too blame, because whatever way you look at it wolves never buy young up and coming players.

Ultimately it is up to the CEO to fire anyone who he considers is underperforming. So the buck stops with Moxey.