wolves v watford - the verdict.

[bod101]

very poor.

very boring.

passionless.

devoid of ideas.

need i go on?

not really.

goodnight.

[kennyB]

Can't get much worse than it has been all season. Have no expectations whatsoever for next season and can only hope we don't get relegated.

[dazmanwolf]

I thought we played with passion, desire, determination and grit! ;)

.....and with the Hoddle blinkers off!

What a pile of rancid dog $$$$!:mad:

[markb]

It was so bad I turned off the TV. I really can't see this team getting anywhere next season, in fact I wouldn't be too suprised if we ended up in a relegation battle.

[Wulfhere]

What a gutless spineless display but what do you expect with cowards like Frankowski, Ricketts, Cort, and Kennedy in the squad. They ought to stopped their wages for that effort it was a $$$$ing disgrace. Surely that must be that usless Southern $$$s last game as Wolves manager, hard working people have paid good money to watch that shiite and they are being robbed. If we had any management at the club whatsoever Hoddle would be gone by morning but at the end of the day none of our directors actually watch the match so we can not really hope for any more.

[Toon Wolf]

I too think that next season will be a relegation dogfight for us. Think of the players that will (deservedly) leave or be sold, and I would compare us to Forest of a couple of years ago, a club on the way down.

[Wulfhere]

If Hoddle is the manager next season we will be relegated.

[wolfie smith]

it didnt look like a must win game or performance, nice of sir jack to show his face, is there a reason he was here!!!!

[Wombourne Wolf]

$$$$ing awful, boring again wish i'd of followed Lupo's example.

[marrs-guitar]

the most interesting thing about the game were jez's comments

surely hod is off; or is jez just trying to save his own back, being as most credit him with being the leading light behind glenda's appointment

[holloholloway]

Frankowski showed pace running on to that through ball, does anyone agree?

I thought the whole team was mediocre sans ali a dare, and i thought lescott got caught out a couple of times, not as great as some of you have said he was.
Alia dare looked lively and looked the only threat going forward, good pass to cameron which should have been buried.
No desire in the team, no urgency, things got worse when ince left the field. Thought lowe was poor at right back.

[Toon Wolf]

Frankowski showed pace running on to that through ball, does anyone agree?

I thought the whole team was mediocre sans ali a dare, and i thought lescott got caught out a couple of times, not as great as some of you have said he was.
Alia dare looked lively and looked the only threat going forward, good pass to cameron which should have been buried.
No desire in the team, no urgency, things got worse when ince left the field. Thought lowe was poor at right back.

Considering he didn't even play there I find that comment ridiculous. Defensively he was ok, just a bit 'hump the ball forward' when in possession.

[holloholloway]

centre back on the right hand side. don't you pound on me, i'm not in the mood after that result sonny jim.

[Gio Pippinardi]

We were a team without begin...and without END!!! (...all Greeks to you???) I'm very disapointed with what i watch this evening. I don't want to hear again that we must renew Cameron's contract. Kennedy was out of our world...again.(Bye bye Sparky...and close the door...please.) When Ince went out we lost our midfield area...and we tried to find our strikers with our...creative DEFENDERS!!! 4-3-3 ISN'T FOR A POOR TEAM LIKE WOLVES.

[Toon Wolf]

centre back on the right hand side. don't you pound on me, i'm not in the mood after that result sonny jim.

:D Handbags! Sorry Pops! I know how you feel though.

[holloholloway]

Give me your thoughts on frankowski? Do you think frankowski is worth 1.4 million

[ma77smith]

Give me your thoughts on frankowski? Do you think frankowski is worth 1.4 million


1.4 million South African Rand

[Jim Bowen]

Fell apart after half an hour. Naylor and Ross were getting loads of space down the wings, but Watford soon stopped that by putting King on the right to pin back Naylor. Midfield was no where to be seen second half, Ricketts is pathetic, can't even go into challenges 70-30 in his favour - he should be one of the first out the door in the summer.

Thank god the season is nearly over - i need a break.

[Wulfhere]

Fell apart after half an hour. Naylor and Ross were getting loads of space down the wings, but Watford soon stopped that by putting King on the right to pin back Naylor. Midfield was no where to be seen second half, Ricketts is pathetic, can't even go into challenges 70-30 in his favour - he should be one of the first out the door in the summer.

Thank god the season is nearly over - i need a break.

Ricketts is a spineless coward and should be gone as soon as is humanly possible.

[holloholloway]

Rickett's isn't good enough, he's been given many chances to shine and hasn't, we had hope for the lad when he put in a good shift against QPR, we were all impressed, but it was a false dawn. We can't make it happen for the kid he has to do it himself and show grit and determination.

But all is not lost i can name four youth players who are quality and potentially could come in next season: i'm talking little, jones,liam hughes, and also you know mark davies. Out of darkness cometh light not *****

[Tomasz]

Cameron performed the worst miss I've ever seen today, aprox four yards out with an open goal and he somehow managed to get it over the bar, spectacularly bad. He was totally rubbish today, managed to spoon another two shots as well, but of course he was perfect in the eyes of the 'fans' and Frankowski who setup the first goal and had a decent game was scum.

[Stewarton Wolf]

We missed chances again Cameron had 2 great chance + the one he took away from Naylor, Frankies miss was poor but to a degree understandable given the current circumstances. They had one real chance and scored. Our problem was that we gave the ball away from defence. Lowe isn't good enough, Ince Cameron and Kennedy are too old. Naylor lacks application, Postma is not as good as Oakes, Cort was a waste of space when he came on. We will be looking at 6/10 new first teamers next season. The board must make up their mind tonight over Hoddle, back him or sack him not their usual dithering.

[holloholloway]

Frankowski's miss looked pretty bad because he had a lot of time to make his decisions, having said that he showed good control to take the ball in his stride well and showed good pace to accelerate away from the defender. The miss was probably down to a lack of confidence in himself. His first touch and general all round play suggests he has the potential to justify his 1.4 million price tag. I am confident he will be a success.

[Winelord]

It was good to see Lowe playing again today, & Aliadiere looked lively. It was fairly entertaining, IMO, just a predictable result. Yet again, some dodgy ref's decisons in front of the TV cameras.

I'm actually in a really good mood after hearing about Moxey's programme notes. I'd been concerned until today that the board might take the path of least resistance and give Hoddle another season, with no budget, to try & put things right. Looks like he's outta here.

[Wulfhere]

It was good to see Lowe playing again today, & Aliadiere looked lively. It was fairly entertaining, IMO, just a predictable result. Yet again, some dodgy ref's decisons in front of the TV cameras.

I'm actually in a really good mood after hearing about Moxey's programme notes. I'd been concerned until today that the board might take the path of least resistance and give Hoddle another season, with no budget, to try & put things right. Looks like he's outta here.

I take it you missed this little gem.

"It is eay to sack someone but not so easy to find suitable replacements, especially for the unique task of bringing success to Wolves.

Glen Hoddle and I have had preliminary discussions and there is a board meeting planned in May to discuss the 2005-06 season and the way to move the club forward."

Beware the Moxey two step, some hash words to appease the fans and carry on as we are. Moxey must think we are daft. If we want Hoddle out we need to shaft Hoddle an Moxey at he at the last home match.

[derbyrameater]

Wolfie Smith, Its the first home game in the new tax year.

[bod101]

on th esubject of frankie, although he really should have scored once he left the field aliadiere disappeared as there was no one to dragging the defender away for him to run into the space.

frankie, once he has regained confidence in front of goal, will be a good addition to the team. we missed his presence up front once he had been subbed.

[kennyB]

We were very lucky not to lose. A cast iron penalty given away by Lescott. Thanks ref!

[Essex Wolf]

Postam's kicking was woeful as usual and other than a good couple of punched clearances looks mediocre at best.Get rid.

Ross, looks okay and at least tries. Worth keeping.

Naylor, needs competion. Good couple of shots but caught out of place too often but IMV worth keeping??

Lowe, done okay(ish) but leaving the club would be no loss.

Edwards, oh dear on yesterdays efforts but okay as cover.

Lescott, my MOTM for Wolves. Hope he stays fear he won't.

Ince, busied himself until injuried and as the oldest on the pitch at least showed willing. Worth holding onto but can't be expected to carry on holding the team together.

Kennedy, get rid of the waste of time. Done sod all yesterday of worthy of note and has developed the ability of the perfect sidewards pass.No loss if he leaves.


Cameron, as always tried and but for better finishing could and should have scored but at least he got into place to have a dig. Worth holding onto.

Aliadiere, when he's good he's good but drifts out of the game too easily. Would be nice to see him stay but feel he won't.

Frankowski, superb pass for the goal and is no slouch but is lacking confidence. He will come good and be an asset next season.

Subs.

Ricketts, bloody useless, done and created sod all.

Cort, first touch of a fairy elephant and if Villa want him let him go.

Seol, showed some class and skill and whipped in a couple of very good crosses but likewise got shrugged of the ball far too easily a couple of times.Worth keeping though as on his day is quality, jsut hope he recovers it for next season.

Overall with the number of players missing, IE Miller, Davies, Rosa etc at least the future can be looked forward to, I suppose, knowing they will be replacing some of the rubbish out there yesterday.

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ince, busied himself until injuried and as the oldest on the pitch at least showed willing. Worth holding onto but can't be expected to carry on holding the team together.

Kennedy, get rid of the waste of time. Done sod all yesterday of worthy of note and has developed the ability of the perfect sidewards pass.No loss if he leaves.



Laughable.

[Essex Wolf]

So give your view DW as opposed to mocking others just because you don't agree.

Seeing as you clearly rate Kennedy maybe the manager next season whoever it may be can build the squad around an attacking midfielder who in two seasons has scored a pathetic 1 goal. Now that is laughable.

[Mutchy]

How many times this season has Kennedy been played as an attacking midfielder though? He didn't have a particularly bad game yesterday.

[Wulfhere]

How many times this season has Kennedy been played as an attacking midfielder though? He didn't have a particularly bad game yesterday.

He did not have a particularly good one either.

[Mutchy]

Did any of them? :o

I just don't think Kennedy deserves to be singled out for criticism for his performance yesterday.

[Essex Wolf]

Ah Mutchy you've hit the nail on the head but how many other players have been played out of place this season, certainly more than just MK.

It's just my POV but for me Kennedy offers the side very little anymore. He has lost what little pace he had, rarely gets in a good cross, can't or won't tackle, certainly not often, scores very rarely as the facts outline and yesterday, and IMHO, provided no service but made several cracking sideways passes.

[Wulfhere]

Did any of them? :o

I just don't think Kennedy deserves to be singled out for criticism for his performance yesterday.

I did not think so.

[Hatch End Wolf]

It's simple really.... he's not good enough for the money he's getting. He can't do wing play any more and in his midfield role he's no more use than Robinson or Andrews. He's not an attacking midfielder or defensive midfielder or playmaker. He's not consistantly useless, as some on here have claimed, but he's definately surplus to requirements at the Mol. He must go in the great clear-out!

[quirky_birky]

When anyone else switches play from one flank to the other it's seen as a good bit of play. When Kennedy does it, it's considered to be a useless sideways pass. :confused: I'm not saying that he's God or anything - some of his passes are pretty poor, but generally he has a better eye for a creative pass than anyone else in the team. Hell, if Seol's passes were sideways he'd be a far better player - 90% of his passes are backwards (after beating the defender).

Postma - Poor distribution, won't come off his line though a decent shot stopper - everything Oakes used to be although Oaksie worked on his faults and is IMHO a better keeper than Postma.

Defence - reasonably ok.

Midfield - game seemed to change for the worse when Ince was replaced by Ricketts. Cameron missed two decent chances which could've sealed the win. Kennedy had a mixed game - at fault for the goal according to the Hoddle haters at WM.

Attack - Aliadiere is too good for us. Wish the lad well next season, even though he's French (hell, he just made the Showboat on Soccer AM!!). He's the second on my list of OK Frenchmen (alongside Pollet). Frankowski - did ok but nothing special. Wish he'd done better with his one on one - alone in the Watford half with the keeper off his line.

[Deutsch Wolf]

So give your view DW as opposed to mocking others just because you don't agree.

Seeing as you clearly rate Kennedy maybe the manager next season whoever it may be can build the squad around an attacking midfielder who in two seasons has scored a pathetic 1 goal. Now that is laughable.

1) He's not played as an attacking midfielder in more than 10 games over the past two seasons.

2) Ince did absolutely nothing before being replaced. He'll now be out for the rest of the season, leaving him with the massive total of 15 starts in the league during this campaign. The fact that you think we should retain an expensive, near 40-year-old midfielder who contributes nothing and has missed two thirds of the season is laughable.

[Essex Wolf]

1) He's not played as an attacking midfielder in more than 10 games over the past two seasons.

2) Ince did absolutely nothing before being replaced. He'll now be out for the rest of the season, leaving him with the massive total of 15 starts in the league during this campaign. The fact that you think we should retain an expensive, near 40-year-old midfielder who contributes nothing and has missed two thirds of the season is laughable.

Kennedy hasn't played much at anything the past two seasons DW because he is like a duck out of water these days. He creates, provides and does little compared to what he offered a few seasons back. As cover for Naylor he is pretty much useless. As a midfield player when was the last time you saw him create something worthy of note? His strike rate is apalling yet Ince who plays less often scores far more goals.Kennedy is taking over the Simon Osborn title as I see it.

As regards your point number 2.Funny then that Ince actually pulled up with his injury whilst being involved in a positive move forwards where he was trying to get to a ball.

I agree his games played total is low but better than seveval others we have on our books and no matter what you say or feel about him the man has a wealth of vast experience that few of our other players have.

I'd prefer to have a 39yr old Paul Ince offering guideance and scoring the odd goal than an overpaid Kennedy prancing around offering sweet FA.

And WTF has age got to do with it. Sheringham has done well at WHU and is older so your point is????

[Deutsch Wolf]

Sheringham still contributes plenty to West Ham's cause. Ince contributes nothing to our cause.

If he'd been introduced to the crowd for the past few games as Scott Smith, our new signing from Stockport, he'd be derided as someone with no mobility, stamina or influence on the game. Because his name's Paul Ince he gets adulation from the crowd.

[Essex Wolf]

So Inces winning goals V's Burnley and Luton are not contributery to the cause seeing as they gave us 6 points?

DW, I know we don't see eye to eye on much and you love a little dig whenever chance allows but to call me laughable but make comments which deny/deflect away from the true reality of Inces worth is the bigger laugh.

I accept he is at the end of his playing days but the man is still a winner who wants to do as well as possible. Kennedy goes through the motions.

[BridgnorthWolf Inc]

Sheringham still contributes plenty to West Ham's cause. Ince contributes nothing to our cause.

If he'd been introduced to the crowd for the past few games as Scott Smith, our new signing from Stockport, he'd be derided as someone with no mobility, stamina or influence on the game. Because his name's Paul Ince he gets adulation from the crowd.

DW You make a good point BUT people are prepared to allow for his failings because he is one of the very few to show passion for this club.

Like you I feel his career has maybe run its course but I will never treat him with anything other than the utmost respect, which is precisely how he treats our club.

[The Bear]

As much as I admit Ince is faltering and definitely on his way out this season, he has scored some important goals for us recently.

[Essex Wolf]

As much as I admit Ince is faltering and definitely on his way out this season, he has scored some important goals for us recently.

Glad to hear others recognise his worth. Fact the bloke scores those goals shows for an aging midfielder he still gets into some good postions and makes the effort.

[Bevan]

Watched the game on SKY. My thoughts:

Postma - Does not inspire confidence. We need a new keeper next year, especially seeing as Oakes is out of contract.

Lowe - Not impressed. Seemed sluggish and slow. I much prefer Craddock, Edwards and Gyepes above him.

Edwards - Solid, if unspectacular. I like him though. Think he is a very useful addition to our squad and he can play in several positions.

Lescott - Bar a debatable penalty decision, I think he kept our defence together. Quality showing. I wonder if it had anything to do with a certain Mr. O'Leary being in the stands.

Ross - Committed player. Would like to see him offered a contract in the summer.

Cameron - I appreciate nostalgia and all that, but he is spent. Much like Ince, you appreciate what they've done for Wolves, but the time has come for them to go. Not the future for us.

Ince - Love the bloke, but the time has come for him to hang up his boots. Would welcome him back here as a coach next year, but not as manager. It's too soon for that.

Kennedy - Thought he played well today in the first half, but then faded badly. I'm not a Kennedy hater, but I think it's for both party's good if he left at the season's end.

Naylor - Much better as a wing-back. Got into some good forward positions. This is where he should be played, or as the left winger in a 4-4-2.

Aliadiere - Quality player. Too good for us. Wish him well wherever he ends up next season.

Frankowski - I think the time has come to write off Fankie for this season and give him the chance to start the next one afresh. His confidence is shot and we can only hope that a good World Cup, a successful pre-season and a new start next season in a 4-4-2 formation will see the best of him.

Ricketts - Very bad yesterday. Offered nothing.

Cort - Never really featured.

Seol - A good showing. Took on his man and actually whipped in some first time crosses. I rather think this upturn in effort and form has more to do with him wanting to impress the World Cup manager though.

Watford - Was reasonably impressed with them, but I don't think they've got enough to win the playoffs. Think Palace will win them. Special praise goes to King, who I thought was always a threat, Eagles and Foster.

All in all, seemed very much like an end-of-season performace. We should have been 2-0 up at half-time but Frankie didn't take his chance. Then, in the second half we were under the cosh and offered very little. Once they scored there was only going to be one winner and luckily for us we hung on, largely helped by a generous referee who waved away a penalty shout and then proceeded to send King off for shouting "You stupid b**tard" at the assistant ref, which I thought was incredibly harsh. Although I didn't complain at the time.

[Gio Pippinardi]

We have no chance with players like Cameron and Kennedy in our midfield.

[Bevan]

Exactly. They are the past. We need to find the future of WWFC, whether that's youth or new players bought in. Time to get rid of the nostalgia that's holding us back.

[The Weasel]

There are so few positives to take out of the game its hardly worth the effort, other than Alliadiere who is a cut above, most of the players seemed just to be going through the motions. It was like an end of season affair, ironic when you think about it. I think Keith Lowe has been unfairly criticised on here. He's been frozen out in the wilderness by Hoddle and I reckon he gave his all, sure he lumped it once or twice but he's young and learning his trade. He did get stuck in and bailed us out on more than one occasion. As for Lescott having a MOTM performance, give me a break, what a joke. I don't know what's happened to JLo this season but he sure aint the player he was last year. That's all I can be arsed to say on the subject, once Ince went off we were dire - sums up our season.

Oh, and Hoddle out! Today please Jez.

[The Bear]

I'm suprised to see so much Lowe criticism on here. I was there at the game and I thought he played well. He defended a lot better than Ross and Naylor. I can't remember anyone getting past him and getting a clear cross in anyway, and he dealt with most things well up until their goal where I thought he nodded off for a second and allowed King to drift into space when the ball came to him.

Maybe just watching it on TV he came across as poor?

[MobNet Wolf]

I think the first half versus Coventry proved that when played on the left, Kennedy can definately still do a good job.

[wolf of sedgley]

I'm suprised to see so much Lowe criticism on here. I was there at the game and I thought he played well. He defended a lot better than Ross and Naylor. I can't remember anyone getting past him and getting a clear cross in anyway, and he dealt with most things well up until their goal where I thought he nodded off for a second and allowed King to drift into space when the ball came to him.

Maybe just watching it on TV he came across as poor?

I thought Lowe played well too. Probably better than Lescott.

As for the Kennedy debate- he simply isn't worth the wages. Played more games than Ince in exactly the same position and ince has scored more goals. Thats says it all. Maybe they are both under performing but Ince has offered a lot more to the team when he has played than Kennedy ever has. Kennedy and Ince arn't worth the wages anymore.

[whitemouse75]

Kennedy and Ince arn't worth the wages anymore.

3 weeks ago you said my hate campaign against ince was boring (despite me never having typed a bad word against him:confused:) now he's not worth the wages.

make your mind up muppet.