Half - time

[Wombourne Wolf]

Bloody hell never seen anything like that. Dont know what sparked it.smileys/smiley5.gif

[wolfan]

I didn't see the start to it, but apparently the Cardiff fans were trying to get onto the pitch, which is what sparked it? The police were stupid though, when I got back to my seat, and they started walking up the touchline, all they had to do was go and stand in front of them, but they were obviously up for a fight. Best bit of half-time entertainment for ages though! smileys/smiley36.gif
Edited by: wolfan

[glasgowwolf]

Apparantly coppers and fans swapping punches. it is ok tho u can'tdamage a welshman by hitting him in the head smileys/smiley2.gif Edited by: glasgowwolf

[Colin Swedewolf]

Bloody hell never seen anything like that. Dont know what sparked it.smileys/smiley5.gif



I reckon it must have been BQ.

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[Spa Wolf]

People from South Wales = Idiots.

FACT

[Wombourne Wolf]

Bloody hell never seen anything like that. Dont know what sparked it.smileys/smiley5.gif

I reckon it must have been BQ.
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It started inside the stand I think, as about 20 coppers legged it in to the side entrance in the SBL before it all came back into the stands.

[wolf of sedgley]

What a bunch of idiots. Don't know what si was all aobut. Just came back to my seat to see the police stomp up the stairs and cardiff fans started throwing punches. Idiots.

[Telford Wolf]

I feel sorry for some of the Cardiff City supporters, from where I was sitting in the South Bank a few innocent parties were caught up in the midst of the rioting, there were children being thrown over the Ad boards to safety, then a riot back-up team arrived and police dog handlers, but some of the meatheads going at it with the riot police had to be seen to be believed.


Crazy - the club should be denied away support for next season as a fittingpunishment, I wouldn't want to be hanging around Molineux when they let them out the cage.

[lon chaney jr]

It was disgraceful. Neanderthals need to be punished somehow.

[Colin Swedewolf]

It was disgraceful. Neanderthals need to be punished somehow.


I know a good way to punish Neanderthals.

[lon chaney jr]

Feed them to dinosaurs?

[MobNet Wolf]

I saw the police literally charge horizontally through the rows pushing
the fans back and hitting them with batons. What were they trying to
acheive? I feel sorry for those who had no violent intentions.



It seemed as if the police were trying to seperate the side section of
cardiff fans, as they pushed fans one way, then turned the other way
and increased the gap there.

[lon chaney jr]

Admit it, you provoked them didn't you...

[Colin Swedewolf]

Feed them to dinosaurs?


Set some homo-sapiens on them. That'll wipe them out.

[lon chaney jr]

Feed them to dinosaurs?


Set some homo-sapiens on them. That'll wipe them out.
Us homo-sapiens get a bad press. We're happy to co-exist in any ecosystem.

[W01ves]

It all started inside, a group of Cardiff "fans"we're kicking one of the kiosks in, the police moved in to take them and but were chased out onto the stand causing the rioting, according to one of the stewards.


They were informed before hand that there was likely to be a problem due to the amount they usually drink before the game!


Also heard there was a load of trouble at the train station as well?


Idiots.

[Colin Swedewolf]

Feed them to dinosaurs?


Set some homo-sapiens on them. That'll wipe them out.



Us homo-sapiens get a bad press. We're happy to co-exist in any ecosystem.



Define co-exist. If you mean it to mean, eradicate all that is not homo-sapiens, then you're on the button.


I'm off to AT for a couple.

[MobNet Wolf]

Admit it, you provoked them didn't you...




Yep, thats why i had to have a couple of alsatians keep me company in th 2nd halfsmileys/smiley2.gif

[BlahBlah]

Apparently the bars were shut at half time, so they smashed the bogs up.

[Hibbitt was King]

I heard from a steward that no beer was being served at H/T, and that was what caused the Taffs to kick off.


Hope a true version of events emerges.

[1wolves]

Any one got any pics?

It was hard to see what was going on in the North Bank!

It was like a millitary operation after the game though. They must have decided to bring the coaches down to that slip road thing on stafford street.

They shouldn't be aloud to bring any fans next timesmileys/smiley5.gif

[Brizzlewolf]

Feed them to dinosaurs?





No doubt who the dinosaurs are. Seventies throwback sheep sha**ers.

[Wombourne Wolf]

Mobnet - the pressure must of put you off that routine catch in the 2nd half smileys/smiley2.gif

[wolfan]

http://www.sportnetwork.net/boards/read/s120.php?f=119&amp;i (http://www.sportnetwork.net/boards/read/s120.php?f=119&amp;i=42877&amp;t=42877&amp;sid=120) =42877&amp;t=42877&amp;sid=120

You knew it wouldn't be long before the silly billys from Reading got their dig in. smileys/smiley11.gif

[1wolves]

Reading make me laugh, always the victims where ever they go.smileys/smiley36.gif

[18miles]

Cardiff yobs turned on stewards and police under the stand due to the bars being shut. Cardiff decided they were going to help themselves to the beer and started trashing the bars. Police had to call in re inforcements to get help to the few coppers and stewardsunder the stand and get them out. Top marks for the Police today, good to see them take the bull by the horns andsortthe scum out. Perhaps a message has been sent out to a few firms today that they should stay away from Wolverhampton.

[1wolves]

If you think it will force them away, you must be on another planet.

[gaz kford]

It all started inside, a group of Cardiff "fans"we're kicking one of the kiosks in, the police moved in to take them and but were chased out onto the stand causing the rioting, according to one of the stewards.


They were informed before hand that there was likely to be a problem due to the amount they usually drink before the game!


Also heard there was a load of trouble at the train station as well?


Idiots.


got back 1/2 hour ago police would not let us out of the pub.


In Kford i have being told Blue's and Albion Planned to come over and kick off as well.

[MobNet Wolf]

Mobnet - the pressure must of put you off that routine catch in the 2nd half smileys/smiley2.gif



Swirling in the wind, ski gloves, 2 sets of ad boards and a set of
covers under my feet, plus 24000 people, 2 dogs and 1000 angry
welshman...It all adds up to an extremely hard catch.smileys/smiley2.gif

[FoetalYouth]

I had no problem at the train station between getting there from the ground straight after the final whistle and my train at 1843.

Someone email Jez and get him to make the half-time entertainment some welsh idiots getting a kicking from the police every week.

Edited by: FoetalYouth

[Wombourne Wolf]

From a Cardiff site


Dear Sir/Madam
Send this post to the head of West Mercia police, and the more who do this the better.
: Before you go condemning Cardiff supporters for
: the trouble at today's game perhaps you
: would like to clarify what actually went on
: first?


: The west midland police are renowned for their
: heavy handed approach by most football
: supporters and today was no exception.


: there was a relatively small incident at the
: refreshment kiosk involving a miniscule
: amount of Cardiff fans, this started because
: the club decided that there would be no
: refreshments served after 3pm! (fans banged
: the shutters, god forbid!)


: The police involved handled the situation
: extremely well and the situation fizzled
: out.


: Then for some reason a large number of riot
: police entered the away end and basically
: filled the aisle that led from the
: refreshments area back into the away end.


: The "riot" started when supporters
: who'd visited the refreshments area tried
: returning to their seats.


: These riot police for some unknown and totally
: unjustified reason started attacking Cardiff
: fans indiscriminately as they tried to make
: their way back.


: It was a totally unwarranted attack and indeed
: many children were absolutely terrified with
: what was going on around them, This might be
: a surprise to you but not all Cardiff fans
: are hooligans, but for whatever reason, the
: police decided ANYONE was fair game. this
: approach is downright disgusting and they
: succeeded in making a serious incident out
: of nothing by goading the Cardiff supporters
: who were understandably angry at seeing
: innocent people cracked over the head just
: for the hell of it!


: If you would like some more clarification why
: not contact "Real Radios" sports
: correspondents and commentators who were in
: full view of the proceedings and were
: convinced to a man who the guilty party was.


: Andy Legg (ex-Cardiff player)who was
: commentating on the match said "that
: there was no doubt who was to blame, and he
: would go to a court of law as a witness if
: required. He said couldn't believe what he
: was seeing and slated the police several
: times for their unwarranted attack on the
: Cardiff supporters.


: I really do wish you would seek out the facts
: before judging people, but going on past
: experience of your station I must say it
: comes as no great surprise that you found
: Cardiff supporters guilty without ever
: seeking to find out the facts behind the
: incident.


: Yours Sincerely


http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl (http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl)- mainly blaming the police.

[wolfan]

I can't speak about what went on under the stand, but in fairness to them (the Cardiff fans), the police could have handled that situation totally differently and ended the day with no incident at all. From what I could see, the incident in the seats was completely down to heavy handed tactics from the police, and although the Cardiff hooligans aren't totally innocent by attacking them back, if they are blamed for it all, then it will be a disgrace as from having watched Wolves all over the country, I'm quite certain other forces wouldn't have handled it the way West Mids police did.

[HIGHLANDER]

I've just been listening to talksport and there were some Cardiff fans on saying that there was a lot of trouble between their fans and the police at half time in the concourse area under the stand..Apparently they stopped serving beer and pulled the shutters down and some of the City fans got upset.At that the West Midlands police in riot gearcame storming in way over the top..


I can well believe what I heard coming from this fan.West midlands police in my experience are the worst in the country.A couple of years back some friends an Iwere drinking in a certain public house in Wolvo after a gamewhen all of a sudden a load of the pigs stormed in and started beating everybody with battons.I got one across my knuckles and one over the head,my mates got the same.Hard to believeit Iknow, but true.If it hadn't happened to me I wouldn't have believed it..


One or two of us complained but got absolutely nowhere.These pigsare experts at delaying tactics and putup a brick walland know that eventually thatyou will get fed up and go away.


There must besome of the worse filth on the planet at that Bilston St nick.




__________________

[stuj4z]

spoke to a mate who is a steward in the steve bull lower.

full story, no bo//ocks is this.

the club did not tell cardiff fans there would be no refreshments at half time so they banged on the shutters to the bar to see what was going on. if there had been police or stewards there at the time to tell them then nothing would have happened, in his opinion.

a few of them tried to pull the shutters up to ask underneath them, nothing sinister but then police came in with batons and started hitting people, some of them just returning from the toilets going to their seats.

there had been no trouble all day, or no hint of trouble. i was drinking with a few welsh in the Ash Tree before the game and they were ok.

the police went in there and caused a riot, for no reason.
the club, cardiff and the police have to take the blame for this.

but yet again, it seems that the police are a bunch of wan/ers who once they have a badge and riot shield think they are the dogs.

i said this earlier in the season when they made a big deal about nothing and encited trouble.

[Colin Swedewolf]

I guess some of the WMP are Wolves fans.

[derbyrameater]

As football clubs have their own hooligans who compete with each other for who is the mongest, do the old bill have the same sort of thing around the country where they compete to see who can create the most agro when not an awful lot is going on, it seemed obvious from the NB that someting was going on underneath the SB, next thinbg the riot squad appear, you could see the temperature rise as the paraded in front of the Cardiff fans, as they started to funnel into entrance to the concourse that was when it kicked off. Before that from where I sit you could see the riot and ordinary police vans coming down the hill (at a guess at least twenty) at the same time somewthing was going on at the subway (I could see between the Sth bank and SB) I could see plods poss some riot police but not sure, running down the slope towards the subway.


The way they lined up in front seemed to provoke the whole thing, the cops stopped the match which might have calmed things down, maybe not.


The reason why I`m writing this is coz I have seen similar actions taken against us over the years, and when we say the cops provoked it no one believes us, so put away the blinkers and recognisethat the few arseoles who were causing trouble could have been dealt with very differently and less trouble.


There were small children caught up in that crap did the plods make any attempt to get them out first.

[Wulfhere]

From a Cardiff site


Dear Sir/Madam
Send this post to the head of West Mercia police, and the more who do this the better.
: Before you go condemning Cardiff supporters for
: the trouble at today's game perhaps you
: would like to clarify what actually went on
: first?


: The west midland police are renowned for their
: heavy handed approach by most football
: supporters and today was no exception.


: there was a relatively small incident at the
: refreshment kiosk involving a miniscule
: amount of Cardiff fans, this started because
: the club decided that there would be no
: refreshments served after 3pm! (fans banged
: the shutters, god forbid!)


: The police involved handled the situation
: extremely well and the situation fizzled
: out.


: Then for some reason a large number of riot
: police entered the away end and basically
: filled the aisle that led from the
: refreshments area back into the away end.


: The "riot" started when supporters
: who'd visited the refreshments area tried
: returning to their seats.


: These riot police for some unknown and totally
: unjustified reason started attacking Cardiff
: fans indiscriminately as they tried to make
: their way back.


: It was a totally unwarranted attack and indeed
: many children were absolutely terrified with
: what was going on around them, This might be
: a surprise to you but not all Cardiff fans
: are hooligans, but for whatever reason, the
: police decided ANYONE was fair game. this
: approach is downright disgusting and they
: succeeded in making a serious incident out
: of nothing by goading the Cardiff supporters
: who were understandably angry at seeing
: innocent people cracked over the head just
: for the hell of it!


: If you would like some more clarification why
: not contact "Real Radios" sports
: correspondents and commentators who were in
: full view of the proceedings and were
: convinced to a man who the guilty party was.


: Andy Legg (ex-Cardiff player)who was
: commentating on the match said "that
: there was no doubt who was to blame, and he
: would go to a court of law as a witness if
: required. He said couldn't believe what he
: was seeing and slated the police several
: times for their unwarranted attack on the
: Cardiff supporters.


: I really do wish you would seek out the facts
: before judging people, but going on past
: experience of your station I must say it
: comes as no great surprise that you found
: Cardiff supporters guilty without ever
: seeking to find out the facts behind the
: incident.


: Yours Sincerely


http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl (http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl)- mainly blaming the police.

I can not stand these appologists for low lifew scum. Scum is scum, the Cardiff lads were p!$*ed and looking for it and they got it. I hope the riot squad beat the $$$$ of the Cardiff scum. They should be awarded medals.

[Jack Bauer]

So they were denied a drink at half-time? Big deal. All i saw is the riot police march in and start being attacked by the Cardiff fans for no reason. Trust the low-life scum to make excuses for their behaviour, try telling it to the little kids who had to be taken out the stand crying.


$$$$$$$ing scum w!$*ers the lot of them, deserve what they get.

[1wolves]

So they were denied a drink at half-time? Big deal. All i saw is the riot police march in and start being attacked by the Cardiff fans for no reason. Trust the low-life scum to make excuses for their behaviour, try telling it to the little kids who had to be taken out the stand crying.


$$$$$$$ing scum w!$*ers the lot of them, deserve what they get.

Wern't they denied a drink in the whole city?

More I read on this, the more I think police over reaction.

[whitemouse75]

the police (not riot) were called into the sb lower by a bunch of stewards who ran out at the southbank end. they went in, then about 5 mins later one guy was brought out with a bleeding head. the riot police arrived about 5 mins after that and stood at the front of the sb lower. when they walked up the steps towards the concourse, one of them had his helmet knocked off, then all the welsh mongs started throwing punches.


it was the cardiff fans pushing each other out of the concourse and down the steps that caused kids to be nearly squashed, but the old bill were lifting them out as soon as they saw what was happening.


i'm no great fan of the old bill, but if you swing at the riot police, expect to be hit with truncheons, un-$$$$$$$ing-lucky.

[Jack Bauer]

So they were denied a drink at half-time? Big deal. All i saw is the riot police march in and start being attacked by the Cardiff fans for no reason. Trust the low-life scum to make excuses for their behaviour, try telling it to the little kids who had to be taken out the stand crying.


$$$$$$$ing scum w!$*ers the lot of them, deserve what they get.




Wern't they denied a drink in the whole city?

More I read on this, the more I think police over reaction.



So being denied a drink is reason to start a near-riot is it?


The riot police came in to restore order and were attacked immediately by the Cardiff scum. They know the reputation they carry around, what do they expect?

[Jim Bowen]

What about the ones that we're rioting by the burger van at the top of Sir Jack Hayward Way? Did the people in the burger van close the shutters?

Obviously they were politely knocking on the shutters asking for a beer. smileys/smiley36.gif

The police did a good job from what I saw.

It's the kids that had to be lead to safety during the riot that I felt sorry for, not some gormless b!$*!$*ds that couldn't get a drink at half-time.

[Wulfhere]

On a slightly less serious front I thought the Wolves supporters taking the phish was excellent. I have never heard the riot police cheered onto the ground before with the Wolves fans chanting 'ger in o um' and the 'sit down and behave yourselves' chant was quality.

[mak1]

http://www.zippyvideos.com/9409305694235686/mov00002/


Just saw this, linked from another cardiff site

[Bolton Hater]

Great video!

[1wolves]

Probably more to come aswell.

[Ogerp]

Great video!


Think you forgot your tongue in your cheek. smileys/smiley36.gif

[Bolton Hater]

They don't have that one anymore, only the tongue on chin one smileys/smiley17.gif

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.Edited by: SOUTHBANK_BULLY

[Ogerp]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.





Imust have watched a different video to you ....just some jesse shouting ...$$$$$$$...$$$$$$$...and some more $$$$$$$s.....children nowhere to be seensmileys/smiley5.gif





Though I do agree it could spell a fine for Wolves.

[1wolves]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.





Imust have watched a different video to you ....just some jesse shouting ...$$$$$$$...$$$$$$$...and some more $$$$$$$s.....children nowhere to be seensmileys/smiley5.gif





Though I do agree it could spell a fine for Wolves.

There were kids involved.

Why should we be fined? We get the OB in to do a job, we pay them £100k+! Not our problem they like testing their batons!

[wolfan]

Why should we be fined? We get the OB in to do a job, we pay them £100k+! Not our problem they like testing their batons!

Agreed, can't see how we would get fined, our fans weren't involved and how the police handle a situation like that has nothing to do with the club. smileys/smiley5.gif

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.





Imust have watched a different video to you ....just some jesse shouting ...$$$$$$$...$$$$$$$...and some more $$$$$$$s.....children nowhere to be seensmileys/smiley5.gif





Though I do agree it could spell a fine for Wolves.




There were kids involved.

Why should we be fined? We get the OB in to do a job, we pay them £100k+! Not our problem they like testing their batons!



not saying we should be fined mate but you can bet ya top dollar the fa will look into what happened today

[Wulfhere]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.

I agree with you entirely, it was sad to see the youngsters and women having to be taken out of the stand for their safety. The myth that these idots try and pedal is that they only fight like minded people, today proved that this is complete $$$$$$ and that innocent supporters get tangled up in the violence which is a $$$$$$$ing disgrace.

There was a large gathering of Wolves low life around The Feathers, The Wanderer on the bridge. I have absolutely no time for these idiots either. I did not see any trouble but there where a lot of supporters of both sides who were obviously looking for trouble and I expect if it kicked off innocent people would again become inadvertently embroiled in the trouble caused.

[Ogerp]

Why should we be fined? We get the OB in to do a job, we pay them £100k+! Not our problem they like testing their batons!

Agreed, can't see how we would get fined, our fans weren't involved and how the police handle a situation like that has nothing to do with the club. smileys/smiley5.gif






Does it ever matter which fans are involved? It happened at Molineux.


When clubs are now fined because they cannot control their players on the pitch, even though their manager would be fined for leaving the technical area to try and control them....then I think we could be in for an enquiry at least.

[19th Holer]

Admit it, you provoked them didn't you...

Yep, thats why i had to have a couple of alsatians keep me company in th 2nd halfsmileys/smiley2.gif



If you and your stool had got any nearer the pitch second half you'd have been playing centre of midfield !

[wolfan]

Does it ever matter which fans are involved? It happened at Molineux.
Where it happened shouldn't matter, it was the Cardiff supporters involved in the trouble, Wolves will have provided adequate security measures which will cover their backs regarding any action from the authorities. Can't remember the exact details, but involving trouble at Millwall with Liverpool (possibly?), the away club were fined for trouble their fans caused, so the FA won't just hand blanket punishments out.

Edited by: wolfan

[Florida Wolfey]

All I can add to this is that if you treat people like scum then you can expect them to act as such. The video clearly showed the Police over reacting to whatever the situation was on the stairway. All I could see was people trying to get back to their seats and the Police whacking one or two. Then the Police decided to push the people which inevitably led to some panic.


Other than that, I can't comment on what else went on but the Police were less than impressive in that clip.

[MobNet Wolf]

that clip doesnt do it justice. i got the impression that the police
werent just responding to provocation, it seemed as if they had
instruction to push fans either side of that stairway backwards.



19th, yeah i was virtually on the pitch, you get a really good insight
into the game sitting there, but i do miss the perspective of sitting
higher up, and look forward to getting my ST back next season, high up
as possible! Although people who sit high up, would probably love to
see the game from my perspective. You get to know who the talkers are
etc.

[FoetalYouth]

From my seat in the Billy Wright it was obvious that something had kicked off in the concourse, because just prior to when that video was shot a load of cardiff fans were flooding out of the concourse. When the police were coming up the stairs some cardiff fans were shoving them, and of course after a couple of shoves the coppers shoved back. In the end it looked like there was just a stand off and a decision was taken to get the 2nd half started to quell the trouble, which worked.

No doubt the troublemakers faces are all on CCTV, certainly on the terraces the authorities can take a look at any seat they choose in the ground, so no doubt every camera in the place was trained on JL7.

[wolfan]

Interesting to hear some of the Cardiff accounts of events, this guy in particular -



A few of you may have seen
me today. I was the one with the ridiculous headdressing on having been
assaulted by the police. I was at the front on the fracas at half time
because I wanted to get a cup of tea. There was a surge from behind and
I fell forward. On my way to the floor I got caught full force across
the back of the head with a truncheon from WMPs finest, and when on the
floor was kicked in the back of the leg. I have the bruises and deep
cut to the head to prove it. Thankfully someone took the thug's number
- 5517 - and I will of course be taking it further.
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I would imagine some will say we
deserved what we got. I saw a woman get caught across the bridge of her
nose for 'being there', the very same crime as mine. WMP were up for a
ruck today and I for one know we've been in one.</font>

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[The Bear]

Which site is that off wolfan. Been looking at a couple but not seen that comment or picture yet.

[MobNet Wolf]

Interesting to hear some of the Cardiff accounts of events, this guy in particular -

</font>

A few of you may have seen
me today. I was the one with the ridiculous headdressing on having been
assaulted by the police. I was at the front on the fracas at half time
because I wanted to get a cup of tea. There was a surge from behind and
I fell forward. On my way to the floor I got caught full force across
the back of the head with a truncheon from WMPs finest, and when on the
floor was kicked in the back of the leg. I have the bruises and deep
cut to the head to prove it. Thankfully someone took the thug's number
- 5517 - and I will of course be taking it further.
</font></font>

I would imagine some will say we
deserved what we got. I saw a woman get caught across the bridge of her
nose for 'being there', the very same crime as mine. WMP were up for a
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More importantly, how did he get that tshirt? He must have won it on Soccer AM.

[wolfan]

This (http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl?#261786) is the message board it was on. (the 'War Wounds' thread).

I suppose the cynics will say that he won't have got that for nothing, but looking at the video below, then I'm sure we've all been in a situation like that where it's chaos, I can remember nearly getting a kicking/trampled at Wrexham and Sheffield United by over zealous police looking to hit anyone who didn't get out of the way smileys/smiley18.gif

http://www.zippyvideos.com/7674912244237536/pictures_101/

[HIGHLANDER]

Interesting to hear some of the Cardiff accounts of events, this guy in particular -




A few of you may have seen me today. I was the one with the ridiculous headdressing on having been assaulted by the police. I was at the front on the fracas at half time because I wanted to get a cup of tea. There was a surge from behind and I fell forward. On my way to the floor I got caught full force across the back of the head with a truncheon from WMPs finest, and when on the floor was kicked in the back of the leg. I have the bruises and deep cut to the head to prove it. Thankfully someone took the thug's number - 5517 - and I will of course be taking it further.


I would imagine some will say we deserved what we got. I saw a woman get caught across the bridge of her nose for 'being there', the very same crime as mine. WMP were up for a ruck today and I for one know we've been in one.


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More importantly, how did he get that tshirt? He must have won it on Soccer AM.
No doubt that this guy is a victim of that ildisciplined,leaderless rabble from Bilston ST police station.


Edited by: HIGHLANDER

[wolfan]

For the more informed views on todays events, you could try here (http://www.network54.com/Forum/382911/message/1142106946/cardiff+got+done) smileys/smiley36.gif

[wolf of sedgley]

this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.

Why? Because they chose not to serve alcohol? I've been to away games where they didn't serve alcohol but didn't feel the need to kick off with the rozzers.

[wolfman]

Time for some babys to grow up and get a life, you are living in the 70's ...... Its happened so not try to copy old times just enjoy the banter and the footy

[Papa]

Who's stupid idea was itto deny them an half time pint or a cup of tea? If you treat people like adults they will behave like adults and much of the first half terrace banter was funny and good humoured.


BUT, Can you imagine what would have happened if the Police had asked politely 'Could you all return to your seats please or pleaseleave the toilets alone'. That one Alsation was delightful, barking himself silly he was, just like the littlest hobo.

[Papa]

Interesting to hear some of the Cardiff accounts of events, this guy in particular -




A few of you may have seen me today. I was the one with the ridiculous headdressing on having been assaulted by the police. I was at the front on the fracas at half time because I wanted to get a cup of tea. There was a surge from behind and I fell forward. On my way to the floor I got caught full force across the back of the head with a truncheon from WMPs finest, and when on the floor was kicked in the back of the leg. I have the bruises and deep cut to the head to prove it. Thankfully someone took the thug's number - 5517 - and I will of course be taking it further.


I would imagine some will say we deserved what we got. I saw a woman get caught across the bridge of her nose for 'being there', the very same crime as mine. WMP were up for a ruck today and I for one know we've been in one.


http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2118/dscf00116rx.jpg


http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2184/dscf00195oi.jpg










They should put him on Dirty Sanchez.

[stuj4z]

the dogs started barking when the 2nd half started and they saw the ball. you can train them all their lives but they are still dogs and dogs love ballssmileys/smiley1.gif

same as training a copper but some are still power crazed idiot

[whitemouse75]

yeah, after seeing those "shocking" videos and the nasty wounds inflicted on that innocent bystander, i've changed my mind. disgusting behaviour from the police, obviously they were bored so thought to themselves, $$$$$$$ it lets go and hit some civilians.





smileys/smiley11.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif





the welsh c*!$!s asked for it and they got it. no need for them to cry now.

[whitemouse75]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.








the ideal father to give advice on childrens safety at football gamessmileys/smiley11.gif

[Uncle Festa]

Lets get the facts straight. I'd say at least 50% of the Cardiff fans were here for the knock.50% are genuine football fans. They were looking for trouble and got it. But the police handling of the situation was abysmal. Have the pigs not learnt from Hillborough?We get condemned for even standing up to applaud a goal in the home end, but 100 riot police waving their truncheons around in the middle of a stand is ok. What a difference between the actions ofSouth Wales Police and the West Mids. During the play off pre-drinks in Cardiff, the police simplyvideod the section of fans where it was likely to kick off (Cardiff and Wolves met up that day to fight together) - simply as an act of gesture more than anything to tell then they were being watched - nothing happened. Today the Police caused a drunken mob to riotdue to their inept handling of the situation. And who ever delayed the kick off needs sacking - this only focused everyones attention on thepossibility offurther rioting and goading from the home fans. As soon aswe did kick off, normality resumed.

[Jack Bauer]

No, normality resumed before kick-off, hence why they allowed it to go ahead. What would have happened if they'd kicked off and we'd been given the dodgy penalty while the Cardiff thugs were still going at it?

[GG27]

Is it just me or does there seam a lot of Stone island &amp; burbery Clothing in those video clips???No smoke without fire smileys/smiley2.gif

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

as a father it sickens me to watch that video and see young children involved in that today.


at the end of the day when peoples safety is in jeopdy at a football game then smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley11.gif


this could see wolves in trouble with the fa due to the police situation.








the ideal father to give advice on childrens safety at football gamessmileys/smiley11.gif








smileys/smiley32.gif

[Jack Bauer]

We will never know who was to blame, the Cardiff fans will blame the police, the police aren't going to admit they over-reacted. I for one saw the police attacked constantly by Cardiff fans, if you're stupid enough to take a run and punch a guy in full riot gear then you can't complain too much if you end up with a gaping head wound.

[saturday boy]

What were they doing there anyway? They must have known there could be some trouble and I have yet to hear a decent explanation from any of them.

They can rot in Guantanomo Bay for all I care.


(sorry, wrong thread)



Edited by: saturday boy

[JEVS WWFC 1877]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4798402.stm

[markb]

Bloody typical. First time wolves put on some decent 1/2 time entertainment, I can't see it as we were in the SB upper. Can I get a refund?

[kent_wolves_28]

I'm trying to download that video onto my mobile Phone but can't as its not in a format compatible for download back to a mobile. Any advice?

[Wombourne Wolf]

i think you need a 3gp converter, normally found on kazaa.

[Sideshow Bob]

One thing learnt from looking through this thread.........aren't video phones crap!

[JEVS WWFC 1877]

I'm trying to download that video onto my mobile Phone but can't as its not in a format compatible for download back to a mobile. Any advice?


How are you getting it to your pc?

[JEVS WWFC 1877]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4798402.stm

[18miles]

The guy with the pictures showing the injuries is NOT the same person as the one lead out by the stewards in front of the southbank with the head injury.

[18miles]

and his pleas of "an innocent bystander" dont ring true as his attempts to break free from the stewards in front of the south bank showed. (Just a clue but the cut is on the wrong side of the head). Just another scummy cardiff fan trying to blame the Police to excuse their behaviour !.

[Big Mack]

and his pleas of "an innocent bystander" dont ring true as his attempts to break free from the stewards in front of the south bank showed. (Just a clue but the cut is on the wrong side of the head). Just another scummy cardiff fan trying to blame the Police to excuse their behaviour !.


What an absolute tit that guy was. Being in the SB Upper it was the only piece of real action I saw! Could see the innocents being allowed to stand on the track, but thought it amusing that they weren't allowed to touch the grass! Apart from the old guy with a stick who they let sit down on a ballboys seat! But even when out of the stand some of their yobs tried to kick off while amongst women and kids. A******ssmileys/smiley7.gif

[saturday boy]

They were there, they were guilty. End of. Fact.

[Wombourne Wolf]

More videoclips


http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=coxy07

[Big Mack]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4798402.stm


Still called the John Ireland stand there... good to see they're up to date

[Big Mack]

More videoclips


http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=coxy07





Cheers Wombourne. Not a lot happening there though, you get a bloke who can't keep his thumb off the lens (although it looks like the SB Upper are pelting the City fans)... and then the last one is a Cityfan walking to the ground!!! Why did he bother videoing that?smileys/smiley5.gif

[glasgowwolf]

They were there, they were guilty. End of. Fact.


u really are a prat. They were at a game and caught up in trouble between hoolies and the police. Cardiffs reputation precedes them as does ours hence the policing is always heavy with Wolves fans...
No doubt the fans that caused it will be picked out y CCTV. I feel sorry for the genuine fans. it must be quite scary to be caught up in this.

[saturday boy]

They were there, they were guilty. End of. Fact.


u really are a prat. They were at a game and caught up in trouble between hoolies and the police. Cardiffs reputation precedes them as does ours hence the policing is always heavy with Wolves fans...
No doubt the fans that caused it will be picked out y CCTV. I feel sorry for the genuine fans. it must be quite scary to be caught up in this.

You seem to be suffering from double standards - perhaps you need to reevaluate your comments about Moazzam Begg on another forum.

[Papa]

the dogs started barking when the 2nd half started and they saw the ball. you can train them all their lives but they are still dogs and dogs love ballssmileys/smiley1.gif


At the beginning of thethird video on Wombourne's newlink he's also barking his face off and there isn't a ball in sight? Explain that.

[whitemouse75]

You seem to be suffering from double standards - perhaps you need to reevaluate your comments about Moazzam Begg on another forum.






what have terrorists got to do with it?

[MobNet Wolf]

More videoclips


http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=coxy07



Spot Me on Video number 1

[saturday boy]

what have terrorists got to do with it?

What have you got to so with it? Run along now to your paranoid friends.

[whitemouse75]

what have terrorists got to do with it?




What have you got to so with it? Run along now to your paranoid friends.






sorry that doesnt make sense.

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

People from South Wales = Idiots.

FACT



most ridiculous statement i've seen on this thread

[saturday boy]

sorry that doesnt make sense.

And that matters to me because.......?

[whitemouse75]

sorry that doesnt make sense.




And that matters to me because.......?






erm.... because you are replying to me, so if you cat do it in a way that i understand, don't bother.





spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?

[HazelGroveWolf]

Keep it up I say. I had time to go for a slash, queue up for my bovril and pie, consume the same before watching the second half, perfect.

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

sorry that doesnt make sense.




And that matters to me because.......?



spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?





Off the top of my head... Anthony Hopkins, Gareth Edwards (and every other rugby player of his generation), Richard Burton, Dylan Thomas, Ioan Gruffudd, Shirley Bassey...


Just because the soccer fans have got a big nutter contingent, doesn't mean everyone else from South Wales is thick. Could you possibly be more thoughtful about who you're offending when you tar people with the same brush. I'm NOT one of the over-sensitive nationalists that got all ruffled by the Anne Robinson comments of a few years ago, but I think attitudes such as yours and Spa Wolf are hardly very constructive when commenting on the scenes from yesterday's game.

[whitemouse75]

whereas the south welsh had very constructive attitudes....

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

whereas the south welsh had very constructive attitudes....


Did you miss what I wrote about tarring people with the same brush? Why does someone's origins automatically dictate their view on something? You seem to be suggesting everyone from South Wales thinks the same - ??


I'm sorry for taking this off-topic, but I'm pretty confused as to how you can justify making such generalised comments.

[whitemouse75]

you were the one who disputed spa wolf's claims that people from south wales are idiots. i'm simply pointing out that the ones that i've seen recently were in fact idiots.

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

you were the one who disputed spa wolf's claims that people from south wales are idiots. i'm simply pointing out that the ones that i've seen recently were in fact idiots.


I disputed that ALL people from south wales were idiots.


You challenged me to name someone from south wales who had ever gone on to do anything - that's not quite the same as 'simply pointing out that the ones that you'd seen recently were in fact idiots'.


If someone's a silly billy then it's because they're a silly billy - nothing to do with origins. I kinda assumed in this day and age most people agreed with such a statement.


Cardiff City have a larger nutter contingent than most clubs - the hooligansare hated everywhere in England and everywhere in WALES - I'm a rugby fan and in welsh rugby there's no such thing as hooliganism. In rugby, supporters aren't segregated and I have NEVER seen trouble at a rugby match... seeing those videos from yesterday really hit home to me the difference between a rugby crowd and a football crowd - maybe all the sensible people from South Wales were at home watching us draw with Italy on the weekend and not at the Molineux starting trouble with West Midlands police...


(imo perhaps it was a minority of nutters who started trouble with the West Midlands police and in return the police then went in and silly billyted any poorb!$*!$*dthat was in their way, regardless of whether the south walian in question was an 'idiot' or not)


ffs as if the Wolves Burberry brigade have never caused problems at an away game - imagine if you had to take a batton to the head because of some chav winding up the police!! Do you really think the ordinary Cardiff fans are happy with what happened yesterday?! It's something that Cardiff need to sort out - they need to get rid of the hooligans so that the rest of them can lose this reputation as it's their reputation that meant there were riot police on hand yesterday at the Mol.


As a fan of sport, it really is a sickening sight that such force is necessary... maybe I should take a leaf out of your book Whitemouse and just call all soccer fans 'idiots'. Pity I care too much about the Wolves to be labelled as an idiot just because of the actions of a minority of nutters.

[wolfman]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose

[whitemouse75]

not just 'soccer' fans, holidaymakers too.......

[wolfman]

Let them out of the mines and s!$* happens

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

Look, you guys are obviously on a windup so I'm gonna leave it there. Sorry for contributing to a thread with views that conflict with your prejudiced view of the Welsh, you obviously can't deal with it.

[wolvesinwales]

People from South Wales = Idiots.

FACT






SPA WOLF= IDIOT= FACT

[HIGHLANDER]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose I spent a weekendin Swansea once.Just like you say Wolfman,the nutters come in from the valleys on Saturdays and Sundays..I was kung fu kicked by one of theses nutters as I queued to get in to Barons ?night club because I was English.The others Taffs in thequeueapologised and warned me about the valley trolls.

[wolvesinwales]

sorry that doesnt make sense.




And that matters to me because.......?



spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?





My Mother -- she gave birth to me.

[wolvesinwales]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose I spent a weekendin Swansea once.Just like you say Wolfman,the nutters come in from the valleys on Saturdays and Sundays..I was kung fu kicked by one of theses nutters as I queued to get in to Barons ?night club because I was English.The others Taffs in thequeueapologised and warned me about the valley trolls.


I was Kung Fu kicked in the face in Shelfield once, does that make all Shelfield people idiots or should we include Brownhills or the whole of the midlands ??


No one apologised so i reckon the midlands is worse !Edited by: wolvesinwales

[Spa Wolf]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT


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SPA WOLF$= IDIOT$= FACT

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Edited by: Spa Wolf

[wolvesinwales]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT







SPA WOLF= IDIOT= FACT




http://www.ex-christian.net/style_emoticons/default/Sheep$$$$$$$er.gif





Red Cross how appropiate

[wolvesinwales]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT







SPA WOLF= IDIOT= FACT




http://www.fms-cfsfriends.com/board4/fishing.gif







How many edits does it take for a welsh hater to post a simple pic ? smileys/smiley36.gif

[wolfman]

My dad is from Newport and he agrees with me about the mentality of them . Its been a long time ago I was in Merther Tydvill sorry about the spelling in a working mans club , yes they had strippers yes the booze was flowing yes it was like something from a wild west movie everyone fighting blood guts everything, the freind I was with said nothing to worry about it is the same every Sunday lounchtime , good fun if you are not involved good to watch them but question their mentality

[Spa Wolf]

eh?

People from south wales are far too excitable in my experience.

[Spa Wolf]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT


$


SPA WOLF$= IDIOT$= FACT


http://www.fms-cfsfriends.com/board4/fishing.gif


$


How many edits does it take for a welsh hater to post a simple pic ? smileys/smiley36.gif

I'm not a welsh hater, many a happy summer was spent in Borth for example and I find the people of welshpool to be delightful. Generally though, and in my experience, males from the south of wales are $$$$$$s with huge chips on their shoulders.

Edited by: Spa Wolf

[wolfman]

Try getting a drink in South Wales they bloody ignore you if they know you are English

[stuj4z]

i think it is a city thing more than anything.

in my experience i have never had any trouble with any welsh people apart from the ones from the south. it seems to be a british thing really.

in general, people north of watford in england are friendlier and less likely to have a chip on their shoulders like some southerners do. i include southampton and portsmouth in this as well.

its the same in south wales and it seems to be the same for people in and around glasgow.

this is just personal experience and i know not all people are like this but it seems that you are more likely to find an arrogant, up themselves idiot in and around the main cities.

[yammer]

the West Midlands police and in return the police then went in and silly billyted any poorb!$*!$*dthat was in their way, regardless of whether the south walian in question was an 'idiot' or not)


More importantly what the hell is silly billyted and how did you get silly billys email address?!

[Space Wolf]

spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?



Anthony Hopkins? Although even he had enough and became an American citizen.smileys/smiley1.gif

[lon chaney jr]

spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?




Anthony Hopkins? Although even he had enough and became an American citizen.smileys/smiley1.gif



And wasn't as good as Brian Cox.

[Space Wolf]

spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?




Anthony Hopkins? Although even he had enough and became an American citizen.smileys/smiley1.gif











And wasn't as good as Brian Cox.



True. I always prefered Manhunter to Red Dragon.

Edited by: Space Wolf

[Blackstrobe]

Some of the posters on this board are a complete joke. Theres a sickening level of generalisation going on on.


You would have thought that a group coming from an area where we all generalised as being as thick as pig s*^t by southerners/ northerners or of being sicko's and rapists by reading fans would have had a bit more perspective.

[paddingtonwolf]

I must admit that Spa's pathetic jibe at the Welsh (of which I am proudly one) followed by a "fishing" emoticon if someone complains is just bloody low.


Think - if you had substituted "Pakistani" for "Welsh" you would be on the fast moped to Bansville by now.


BTW - Richard Burton far superior to Anthony Hopkins

[Wonder Boyo]

My dad is from Newport and he agrees with me about the mentality of them . Its been a long time ago I was in Merther Tydvill sorry about the spelling in a working mans club , yes they had strippers yes the booze was flowing yes it was like something from a wild west movie everyone fighting blood guts everything, the freind I was with said nothing to worry about it is the same every Sunday lounchtime , good fun if you are not involved good to watch them but question their mentality


I'm actually from Merthyr Tydfil (live in geordieland now) and as much as I would love to defend it I'm afraid I can't! Not the nicest place in the world, a little backward in places but the people are really friendly!I'm sure there are places in the valleys where being English brings some abuse but I've encountered a bit of that being a Welshman in England over the years (was once refused to be served in a pub in Leicester!), the majority of people are fine


Cardiff City fans have a reputation even in the valleys for being idiots. People find them embarrassing.I think it's true to say, that like Millwall, their "minority" of hooligans are bigger than most other clubs "minority". It wasa strange feeling for me at Molineux on Saturday, sitting amongst fellow Wolves fans but feeling slightly detached because of all the anti-Welsh chanting. People I have become good friends with shouting "Welsh c***s" etc. but then turning to me and saying "we don't mean you if course! I know Cardifffans are just as bad with their anti English chanting but it just felt a little strange.


Then again I'm sure Rob Edwards may have felt that way too.....and I'm not sure Kenny Miller would have been motivated byGod Save the Queen. I'm sure all Englishfans get the same when they visit Cardiff and I'm sure it would be the sameif English clubs had to play in Scotland. Of course it's not like that for the rugby, but then rugby is not football and doesn't have the same edge to it. My grandfather played for Wolves and so support for Wolves has been passed down through the family and I'm hoping my (half English) son will continue the tradition. I'm 100% Wolves and 100% Welsh, it is possible!

[cooper_J]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT







SPA WOLF= IDIOT= FACT



http://www.fms-cfsfriends.com/board4/fishing.gif







How many edits does it take for a welsh hater to post a simple pic ? smileys/smiley36.gif




I'm not a welsh hater, many a happy summer was spent in Borth for example and I find the people of welshpool to be delightful. Generally though, and in my experience, males from the south of wales are $$$$$$s with huge chips on their shoulders.




That's simply not true.....Nathan Blake was fromSouth Walesand he wasn't...erm......I'll get my coat.



From the Guardian website... http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,1729402,00.ht (http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,1729402,00.html) ml


But the match, between two sides fighting for a chance of Premiership football, was overshadowed by violent clashes between Cardiff City fans and police at half-time and outside the ground after the final whistle.


A number of police were injured and 17 arrests were made, seven inside Molineux and 10 outside, after trouble flared on the concourse in the away end. Visiting fans had been told prior to the match that no alcohol would be available from refreshment kiosks during the interval. When staff mistakenly began to serve alcoholic drinks police attempted to close the kiosks. This sparked the fury of some supporters and riot police were called to restore order.Edited by: cooper_J

[yammer]

To be fair whenfans walk down to the ground singing "Oh England is full of s!$*"they are going to get some nasty comments about being Welsh.


Must admit i thought themost humourous songof the day was from the Cardiff fans though- "you've only got 1 sheep"

[lon chaney jr]

Only the English are racist. Ever.

[Del Woppio]

http://www.zippyvideos.com/9409305694235686/mov00002/

[Del Woppio]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever.

[lon chaney jr]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, Anglo-Saxon men are racist. Ever. (yay! I'm exempt)

[Del Woppio]

what, the 'man' bit? smileys/smiley36.gif

[westlyNTR]

I must admit that Spa's
pathetic jibe at the Welsh (of which I am proudly one)
blah, blah....blah

Top o the mornin to you Paddy, but you're Irish, to be
sure?

[lon chaney jr]

smileys/smiley19.gif You've gone and upset me now.

[Del Woppio]

Shut your stupid face, Jiminy.


good. http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

[lon chaney jr]

http://www.dabnorfish.co.uk/HULK_STANCE.gif


Lon Smash!

[Del Woppio]

smileys/smiley18.gif

[mjwwanderer]

From a Cardiff site


Dear Sir/Madam
Send this post to the head of West Mercia police, and the more who do this the better.
: Before you go condemning Cardiff supporters for
: the trouble at today's game perhaps you
: would like to clarify what actually went on
: first?


: The west midland police are renowned for their
: heavy handed approach by most football
: supporters and today was no exception.


: there was a relatively small incident at the
: refreshment kiosk involving a miniscule
: amount of Cardiff fans, this started because
: the club decided that there would be no
: refreshments served after 3pm! (fans banged
: the shutters, god forbid!)


: The police involved handled the situation
: extremely well and the situation fizzled
: out.


: Then for some reason a large number of riot
: police entered the away end and basically
: filled the aisle that led from the
: refreshments area back into the away end.


: The "riot" started when supporters
: who'd visited the refreshments area tried
: returning to their seats.


: These riot police for some unknown and totally
: unjustified reason started attacking Cardiff
: fans indiscriminately as they tried to make
: their way back.


: It was a totally unwarranted attack and indeed
: many children were absolutely terrified with
: what was going on around them, This might be
: a surprise to you but not all Cardiff fans
: are hooligans, but for whatever reason, the
: police decided ANYONE was fair game. this
: approach is downright disgusting and they
: succeeded in making a serious incident out
: of nothing by goading the Cardiff supporters
: who were understandably angry at seeing
: innocent people cracked over the head just
: for the hell of it!


: If you would like some more clarification why
: not contact "Real Radios" sports
: correspondents and commentators who were in
: full view of the proceedings and were
: convinced to a man who the guilty party was.


: Andy Legg (ex-Cardiff player)who was
: commentating on the match said "that
: there was no doubt who was to blame, and he
: would go to a court of law as a witness if
: required. He said couldn't believe what he
: was seeing and slated the police several
: times for their unwarranted attack on the
: Cardiff supporters.


: I really do wish you would seek out the facts
: before judging people, but going on past
: experience of your station I must say it
: comes as no great surprise that you found
: Cardiff supporters guilty without ever
: seeking to find out the facts behind the
: incident.


: Yours Sincerely


http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl (http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl)- mainly blaming the police.




I can not stand these appologists for low lifew scum. Scum is scum, the Cardiff lads were p!$*ed and looking for it and they got it. I hope the riot squad beat the $$$$ of the Cardiff scum. They should be awarded medals.








My brother is a season ticket holder at Cardiff and was caught up in it all when he came out of the toilets ended up with 2 broken ribs and covered in bruises, the Police also caused a big ruck back at the coach park after the game. at Cardiff A+E Sat night there were loads of people from the game with severe head injurys. SO WOLFHERE ARE YOU SAYING THEY ALL DESEREVED IT AS THEY ARE CARDIFF FANS!!!!!

[whitemouse75]

yes.

[Wonder Boyo]

Here's a few more detailed accounts from the Cardiff city forum. Seems like there are some balanced views on here and a few unlucky, innocent people.


http://www.ninianpark.com/fans/index.php?showtopic=6381


http://www.ninianpark.com/fans/index.php?showtopic=6375

[glasgowwolf]

They were there, they were guilty. End of. Fact.


u really are a prat. They were at a game and caught up in trouble between hoolies and the police. Cardiffs reputation precedes them as does ours hence the policing is always heavy with Wolves fans...
No doubt the fans that caused it will be picked out y CCTV. I feel sorry for the genuine fans. it must be quite scary to be caught up in this.




You seem to be suffering from double standards - perhaps you need to reevaluate your comments about Moazzam Begg on another forum.



This Hasnothing to do with Moazamm Begg. there are major differences, but to answer insimple terms so some on like you can understand.

Cardiff fanscame to Wolves to Watch a football game.
Moazzam Begg, went to Afghanistan, no one knows why, he has never said why, he has refused to answer why.He went to Pakistan for a Wedding. Pakistan is not afghanistan.That is like a Cardiff fan going to Wolves to watch a football game travelling to Scotlandand starting a riot in the middle of Glasgow.
nowrun off and play with yourself.

[saturday boy]

This Hasnothing to do with Moazamm Begg. there are major differences, but to answer insimple terms so some on like you can understand.

Cardiff fanscame to Wolves to Watch a football game.
Moazzam Begg, went to Afghanistan, no one knows why, he has never said why, he has refused to answer why.He went to Pakistan for a Wedding. Pakistan is not afghanistan.That is like a Cardiff fan going to Wolves to watch a football game travelling to Scotlandand starting a riot in the middle of Glasgow.
nowrun off and play with yourself.

He did say why he went to Afghanistan before </span>9/11 and before the war - to set up a school. This is information that has widely been reported. Prior to 9/11 there was nothing to suggest that the USA was going to go to war to remove the Taleban. He did say why he went to Pakistan and why he stayed there during </span>the war - he wanted to stay away because of the war. Whether he is telling the truth is a different matter. He may be as guilty as sin but if he is telling the truth (and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise other than "he was there so he must be guilty") then he has been treated appalingly.

Hence my analogy that the Cardiff fans must all be guilty because they were there fits nicely with your won logic. The differenxce is I don't mean it.

[Spa Wolf]

I must admit that Spa's pathetic jibe at the Welsh (of which I am proudly one) followed by a "fishing" emoticon if someone complains is just bloody low.


Think - if you had substituted "Pakistani" for "Welsh" you would be on the fast moped to Bansville by now.


BTW - Richard Burton far superior to Anthony Hopkins

So what you're saying is if i said people from pakistan = idiots FACT, That would mean a ban, would it. hmmmm interesting.

[glasgowwolf]

This Hasnothing to do with Moazamm Begg. there are major differences, but to answer insimple terms so some on like you can understand.

Cardiff fanscame to Wolves to Watch a football game.
Moazzam Begg, went to Afghanistan, no one knows why, he has never said why, he has refused to answer why.He went to Pakistan for a Wedding. Pakistan is not afghanistan.That is like a Cardiff fan going to Wolves to watch a football game travelling to Scotlandand starting a riot in the middle of Glasgow.
nowrun off and play with yourself.




He did say why he went to Afghanistan before 9/11 and before the war - to set up a school. This is information that has widely been reported. Prior to 9/11 there was nothing to suggest that the USA was going to go to war to remove the Taleban. He did say why he went to Pakistan and why he stayed there during the war - he wanted to stay away because of the war. Whether he is telling the truth is a different matter. He may be as guilty as sin but if he is telling the truth (and you have no evidence to suggest otherwise other than "he was there so he must be guilty") then he has been treated appalingly.

Hence my analogy that the Cardiff fans must all be guilty because they were there fits nicely with your won logic. The differenxce is I don't mean it.






That would be the time He was Videod and Pictured at a Osama Bin Laden rally (when he claimed he had not been in Afghanistan in the film last week)

[Wulfhere]

From a Cardiff site


Dear Sir/Madam
Send this post to the head of West Mercia police, and the more who do this the better.
: Before you go condemning Cardiff supporters for
: the trouble at today's game perhaps you
: would like to clarify what actually went on
: first?


: The west midland police are renowned for their
: heavy handed approach by most football
: supporters and today was no exception.


: there was a relatively small incident at the
: refreshment kiosk involving a miniscule
: amount of Cardiff fans, this started because
: the club decided that there would be no
: refreshments served after 3pm! (fans banged
: the shutters, god forbid!)


: The police involved handled the situation
: extremely well and the situation fizzled
: out.


: Then for some reason a large number of riot
: police entered the away end and basically
: filled the aisle that led from the
: refreshments area back into the away end.


: The "riot" started when supporters
: who'd visited the refreshments area tried
: returning to their seats.


: These riot police for some unknown and totally
: unjustified reason started attacking Cardiff
: fans indiscriminately as they tried to make
: their way back.


: It was a totally unwarranted attack and indeed
: many children were absolutely terrified with
: what was going on around them, This might be
: a surprise to you but not all Cardiff fans
: are hooligans, but for whatever reason, the
: police decided ANYONE was fair game. this
: approach is downright disgusting and they
: succeeded in making a serious incident out
: of nothing by goading the Cardiff supporters
: who were understandably angry at seeing
: innocent people cracked over the head just
: for the hell of it!


: If you would like some more clarification why
: not contact "Real Radios" sports
: correspondents and commentators who were in
: full view of the proceedings and were
: convinced to a man who the guilty party was.


: Andy Legg (ex-Cardiff player)who was
: commentating on the match said "that
: there was no doubt who was to blame, and he
: would go to a court of law as a witness if
: required. He said couldn't believe what he
: was seeing and slated the police several
: times for their unwarranted attack on the
: Cardiff supporters.


: I really do wish you would seek out the facts
: before judging people, but going on past
: experience of your station I must say it
: comes as no great surprise that you found
: Cardiff supporters guilty without ever
: seeking to find out the facts behind the
: incident.


: Yours Sincerely


http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl (http://195.238.240.168/board/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl)- mainly blaming the police.




I can not stand these appologists for low lifew scum. Scum is scum, the Cardiff lads were p!$*ed and looking for it and they got it. I hope the riot squad beat the $$$$ of the Cardiff scum. They should be awarded medals.








My brother is a season ticket holder at Cardiff and was caught up in it all when he came out of the toilets ended up with 2 broken ribs and covered in bruises, the Police also caused a big ruck back at the coach park after the game. at Cardiff A+E Sat night there were loads of people from the game with severe head injurys. SO WOLFHERE ARE YOU SAYING THEY ALL DESEREVED IT AS THEY ARE CARDIFF FANS!!!!! </font>

I think you are talking complete $$$$ you sad appologist for football hooligans. The police did

[whitemouse75]

t5hay got what they came for, and because it didnt go their way there's tears.





makes you laugh really.

[HIGHLANDER]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose I spent a weekendin Swansea once.Just like you say Wolfman,the nutters come in from the valleys on Saturdays and Sundays..I was kung fu kicked by one of theses nutters as I queued to get in to Barons ?night club because I was English.The others Taffs in thequeueapologised and warned me about the valley trolls.


I was Kung Fu kicked in the face in Shelfield once, does that make all Shelfield people idiots or should we include Brownhills or the whole of the midlands ?? You deserved it thoughsmileys/smiley2.gif

[HIGHLANDER]

sorry that doesnt make sense.




And that matters to me because.......?



spa wolf is right about south wales, name one sensible person who's gone on to do great things?





Off the top of my head... Anthony Hopkins, Gareth Edwards (and every other rugby player of his generation), Richard Burton, Dylan Thomas, Ioan Gruffudd, Shirley Bassey...


Just because the soccer fans have got a big nutter contingent, doesn't mean everyone else from South Wales is thick. Could you possibly be more thoughtful about who you're offending when you tar people with the same brush. I'm NOT one of the over-sensitive nationalists that got all ruffled by the Anne Robinson comments of a few years ago, but I think attitudes such as yours and Spa Wolf are hardly very constructive when commenting on the scenes from yesterday's game.


Nothing of any note has ever come out of Wales..The place is dreary , full of unemployed ex steelworkers and miners whosechildren arelayabouts and drug addicts.It's a shame I know, but you canblameThatcher for that.


I've never met a Welsh person that I like yet!!!! all they do is whine and moan all day whilst the English tax payer subsidises every single one of them (fact).I'm not being racist either.Those that know their history will back me up on this.

[QB Wolf]

My mate is a copper who works on the special unit that deals with these things and he was there in the thick of it.


According to himsomeCardiff fans caused a problem at a refreshment kiosk, tried to get hold of beer by trying to pour their own, assulted the bar staff and then assaulted police who tried to diffuse the situation. The riot police then had to go in through the stand to sort things out and along the way in it kicked off. He said they just kept coming at them in waves, you'd hit one and another would appear in his place. He said there was a definite firm involvement from 2 groups can't remember what they were called!!

[HIGHLANDER]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever. nuts.There are plenty of English bornIndians and Pakistanis around who hate black people..They rioted in Birmingham last year ,if your brain can go back that far?

[QB Wolf]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever.


nuts.There are plenty of English bornIndians and Pakistanis around who hate black people..They rioted in Birmingham last year ,if your brain can go back that far?


My mate was there too!

[lon chaney jr]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever. nuts.There are plenty of English bornIndians and Pakistanis around who hate black people..They rioted in Birmingham last year ,if your brain can go back that far?

Do you not have a sense of humour? Of course everyone is aware of tension between different races. I was joking about how we seem to get more of a rep for being a racist erm... race, whilst others can abuse us and more or less get away with it.

[Spa Wolf]

It's because other nationalities feel inferior to the english, so the english arent allowed to dislike them and make them feel even more inferior, but it's ok for them to dislike us. We are, as a country faily arrogant (with good cause to be) and this riles people. particularly the welsh and scottish imo.

its also amusing to point it out.smileys/smiley36.gif because that makes them dislike the english even more.

[wolfan]

According to himsomeCardiff fans caused a problem at a refreshment kiosk, tried to get hold of beer by trying to pour their own, assulted the bar staff and then assaulted police who tried to diffuse the situation. The riot police then had to go in through the stand to sort things out and along the way in it kicked off.

The question that has to be asked though, is why did they see fit to march all the way in front of the Cardiff supporters and then through them, when there were blocks of seating with no supporters in, which they could have quickly entered the stand through with no resistance.

Ignoring the argument of who struck first in the seats, and whether the police responded with necesary force, what can't be denied is that they went in in an extremely confrontational manner, which anyone could have predicted would only escalate matters. You expect the violence and disorder off the fans, but for supposedly highly trained police officers (or perhaps more so their commanders) to make matters worse is inexcusable. Neither side comes out with any credit from this.

[Wulfhere]

My mate is a copper who works on the special unit that deals with these things and he was there in the thick of it.


According to himsomeCardiff fans caused a problem at a refreshment kiosk, tried to get hold of beer by trying to pour their own, assulted the bar staff and then assaulted police who tried to diffuse the situation. The riot police then had to go in through the stand to sort things out and along the way in it kicked off. He said they just kept coming at them in waves, you'd hit one and another would appear in his place. He said there was a definite firm involvement from 2 groups can't remember what they were called!!

On the BBC site there is a thread on which a copper posts, he is a Smallsall fan but was on duty at the game.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb606/F2231914?thread=2461951

[HIGHLANDER]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever. nuts.There are plenty of English bornIndians and Pakistanis around who hate black people..They rioted in Birmingham last year ,if your brain can go back that far?

Do you not have a sense of humour? Of course everyone is aware of tension between different races. I was joking about how we seem to get more of a rep for being a racist erm... race, whilst others can abuse us and more or less get away with it.
O.k I accept that you are joking.I wasn't to know...There are however forum members like Grinder,who would make a statement like that and genuinely mean it.

[lon chaney jr]

Only the English are racist. Ever.





WRONG.


Only white, English, men are racist. Ever. nuts.There are plenty of English bornIndians and Pakistanis around who hate black people..They rioted in Birmingham last year ,if your brain can go back that far?

Do you not have a sense of humour? Of course everyone is aware of tension between different races. I was joking about how we seem to get more of a rep for being a racist erm... race, whilst others can abuse us and more or less get away with it.
O.k I accept that you are joking.I wasn't to know...There are however forum members like Grinder,who would make a statement like that and genuinely mean it.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Citizen Erased]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose I spent a weekendin Swansea once.Just like you say Wolfman,the nutters come in from the valleys on Saturdays and Sundays..I was kung fu kicked by one of theses nutters as I queued to get in to Barons ?night club because I was English.The others Taffs in thequeueapologised and warned me about the valley trolls.


I was Kung Fu kicked in the face in Shelfield once, does that make all Shelfield people idiots or should we include Brownhills or the whole of the midlands ??


You deserved it thoughsmileys/smiley2.gif


id really like to hear more about this Kung Fu Kick...was it delivered by a Sheffield based Master of martial arts?


or are you exagerrating a punt you recieved off a Yorkshire basedchav?Edited by: Citizen Erased

[HIGHLANDER]

I remember the days when I was much younger holidays in Porthcawl, Friday and Saturday they came from the " valleys" and all hell was let loose I spent a weekendin Swansea once.Just like you say Wolfman,the nutters come in from the valleys on Saturdays and Sundays..I was kung fu kicked by one of theses nutters as I queued to get in to Barons ?night club because I was English.The others Taffs in thequeueapologised and warned me about the valley trolls.


I was Kung Fu kicked in the face in Shelfield once, does that make all Shelfield people idiots or should we include Brownhills or the whole of the midlands ??


You deserved it thoughsmileys/smiley2.gif


id really like to hear more about this Kung Fu Kick...was it delivered by a Sheffield based Master of martial arts?


or are you exagerrating a punt you recieved off a Yorkshire basedchav? I want to know whether this Kung fu kick wasadministered bya Wednesday, United or Hallam fan?

[wolvesinwales]

I won't make a judgement on your reading skills here but i actually said SHELFIELD not Sheffield, i thought the added reference to Brownhills / the Midlands might have helped out there.





There is only one $$$$ Shelfield


In answer to your question i didn't ask what belt he was but i definitely heard a awwww oohhh bumf noise which i took to be linked to Kung Fu.smileys/smiley18.gifEdited by: wolvesinwales

[lark]

People from South Wales = Idiots.FACT


ALL people from south Wales? Are you sure? smileys/smiley2.gif

Many of the away fans were trying to get out of the stand away from the trouble

[lark]

As a neutral at the game on Saturday I was appalled by what I saw at half time.

I agree that the police were confrontational, but the Cardiff fans were asking for it by their behaviour. There had already been some fisticuffs against stewards before the police were ever involved, and an away fan was taken away kicking and screaming in front of the South Bank.

Once the police moved in they were attacked - it was the cardiff fans who struck the first blows, not the police. The police did hit back - but what are they supposed to do?

Because they were in the gangway between two blocks, they had their backs to one group - who proceeded to attack them from behind.

Mind you - it does say something about the intelligence of people who choose to pick a fight with the group with shields and big sticks!! FFS

I did wonder if the Cardiff fans are only happy watching games with a line of riot police in front of them

[wolvesinwales]

The Cardiff Fans closest to the South Bank seemed to be the chaviest so i can't understand why the police went in between the 2 blocks instead of starting from the south bank end and beating them all the way back to their tractors so they could trundle back to theirdreary homes full of ' unemployed ex steelworkers and miners whosechildren arelayabouts and drug addicts '


smileys/smiley2.gif

[Jim Bowen]

Anne Robinson was spot on.

[ooh la la]

Personally as a boy of the 70’s I </span>think it’s good to have a run-round at half time, keeps you warm,
gets the blood flowing, and generally keeps you in shape!

[derbyrameater]

Saturday boy, Glasgow is so well informed he is mixing up the tipton 3 and Begg. Begg was not in the film last week, totally different person, innit.


If you go to the valleys you will see some disgusting behaviour by somebut NOT ALL. A bit like any conurbation or aren`t there any nutters in Wolverhampton.


I was making the point to a colleague at work about what had cracked off and whether there might be an unofficial league table amongst the coppers of who can crack the most heads and was told the following," Afriend was arrested at the Cov game and when being released askedfor his Derby lapel badge, was told they hadn`t got it, he kept insisting and eventually they got the plod that did the arrest and he produced a bag of badges he had collected.

[Citizen Erased]

I won't make a judgement on your reading skills here but i actually said SHELFIELD not Sheffield, i thought the added reference to Brownhills / the Midlands might have helped out there.





There is only one $$$$ Shelfield


In answer to your question i didn't ask what belt he was but i definitely heard a awwww oohhh bumf noise which i took to be linked to Kung Fu.smileys/smiley18.gif





ahh - now i get the Brownhills reference smileys/smiley9.gif


to be honest i was laughing to hard at the idea of being on the recieving end of a kung fu kick from a yob...


was it a roundhouse kick or one of those one-legged karate kid-esque kicks? now that'd be impressive to see!

[whitemouse75]

Saturday boy, Glasgow is so well informed he is mixing up the tipton 3 and Begg. Begg was not in the film last week, totally different person, innit.


If you go to the valleys you will see some disgusting behaviour by somebut NOT ALL. A bit like any conurbation or aren`t there any nutters in Wolverhampton.


I was making the point to a colleague at work about what had cracked off and whether there might be an unofficial league table amongst the coppers of who can crack the most heads and was told the following," Afriend was arrested at the Cov game and when being released askedfor his Derby lapel badge, was told they hadn`t got it, he kept insisting and eventually they got the plod that did the arrest and he produced a bag of badges he had collected.








smileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gif


nuts

[SBDJ]

I've read some nuts before over the years on this site, a lot of it written by me but the absolute $$$$$ written by Spa and Highlander really takes some beating.


Why not trygrowing up and perhaps get yourself an education while you're doing it ?

[lark]

I've read some nuts before over the years on this site, a lot of it written by me but the absolute $$$$$ written by Spa and Highlander really takes some beating.


Why not try$growing up and perhaps get yourself an education while you're doing it ?

And also comingfrom a man who objected to me generalising about scousers a little while ago

[Citizen Erased]

C'mon lads...calm it down before the Admin come in with their riot gear on!smileys/smiley2.gif

[Papa]

he produced a bag of badges he had collected.


Better than cutting their ears off.

[Papa]

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/zbs829.gif

[derbyrameater]

Whitemouse I should have written "a bag of badges which had been collected at various games (not just the Cov game as it could be interpreted)

[wolvesinwales]

I won't make a judgement on your reading skills here but i actually said SHELFIELD not Sheffield, i thought the added reference to Brownhills / the Midlands might have helped out there.





There is only one $$$$ Shelfield


In answer to your question i didn't ask what belt he was but i definitely heard a awwww oohhh bumf noise which i took to be linked to Kung Fu.smileys/smiley18.gif





ahh - now i get the Brownhills reference smileys/smiley9.gif


to be honest i was laughing to hard at the idea of being on the recieving end of a kung fu kick from a yob...


was it a roundhouse kick or one of those one-legged karate kid-esque kicks? now that'd be impressive to see!





It was more like something out of Kill Bill II he jumped up and stood on my sword then jumped off and kicked me in my left eye.


Next time i will film it to save a lot of debate.


It happened outside the Spring Cottage pub if that helps.

[Citizen Erased]

I won't make a judgement on your reading skills here but i actually said SHELFIELD not Sheffield, i thought the added reference to Brownhills / the Midlands might have helped out there.





There is only one $$$$ Shelfield


In answer to your question i didn't ask what belt he was but i definitely heard a awwww oohhh bumf noise which i took to be linked to Kung Fu.smileys/smiley18.gif





ahh - now i get the Brownhills reference smileys/smiley9.gif


to be honest i was laughing to hard at the idea of being on the recieving end of a kung fu kick from a yob...


was it a roundhouse kick or one of those one-legged karate kid-esque kicks? now that'd be impressive to see!





It was more like something out of Kill Bill II he jumped up and stood on my sword then jumped off and kicked me in my left eye.


Next time i will film it to save a lot of debate.


It happened outside the Spring Cottage pub if that helps.





make sure you dont use a camera phone to film it - these videos on ere look real sheiiite though i did make out one fat guy in specs who also appears in the shot on the front page on tonights E&amp;S.

[whitemouse75]

Whitemouse I should have written "a bag of badges which had been collected at various games (not just the Cov game as it could be interpreted)





do you seriously believe that a pc goes around stealing badges from fans he's lifted, and carries his hole collection around and then shows it to civvies??


behave.

[lon chaney jr]

No, he's got them all on his helmet.

[whitemouse75]

smileys/smiley36.gifsmileys/smiley36.gif

[derbyrameater]

I don`t know Whitemouse, why else would he have access to a bag full of badges, or perhaps my work colleagueor his friend is telling porkies, I`m sure he would say lost propertysmileys/smiley2.gifcos of course we all know the plods are angels who do no wrong, wasn`t there a bit of a rumour aboutthe Traffic police getting up to a bit of prank a few years ago, something to do with colour of the cars they pulled.

[Wivey Wolf]

I've never met a Welsh person that I like yet!!!!


You've obviously never met Mrs Wivey or our very Mutchy then. But that's your loss, not theirs...

[westlyNTR]

I've
never met a Welsh person that I like yet!!!!



You've obviously never met Mrs Wivey or our very
Mutchy then.$ But that's your loss, not
theirs...

You're just saying that Wivey, because you're scared
they'll beat you up again.

[Wivey Wolf]

I've
never met a Welsh person that I like yet!!!!




You've obviously never met Mrs Wivey or our very
Mutchy then. But that's your loss, not
theirs...




You're just saying that Wivey, because you're scared
they'll beat you up again.


That's why I like them so much...

[QB Wolf]

The question that has to be asked though, is why did they see fit to march all the way in front of the Cardiff supporters and then through them, when there were blocks of