A response to my moaning

[Ginger Chimp]

I sent this to the club a fortnight ago:

<div>Gents</font></div>
<div></div>
<div>I've never felt strongly enough about the way the
team plays to write to anyone at the Molineux. However, recent results have
forced to me put finger to keyboard and express my continuing dismay and
amazement at the apparent ineptitude of the current regime - both team and
management. The lack of belief and pride is something that I don't think I have
ever seen in such a staggering quantity as currently being
displayed.</font></div>
<div></div>
<div>Many supporters cannot understand why this season
is shaping up the way that it is - poor results, lack of goals, baffling
tactics, players being played out of their normal positions, apparent apathy on
the pitch - and so voice their opinion in one of the time honoured fashions only
to be blamed (apparently) by the manager for being the cause of the issue rather
than it being a response to the issue. I acknowledge that we are eighth and
still in touch (possibly) with the Play Off spots but the manner of our play is
not only poor, it's boring and hard watch (or listen to). If results were more
positive then the argument "the result justifies the style" would, clearly be
valid. However,recent results don't justify the style.</font></div>
<div></div>
<div>Please, for the sake of the club and the fans (not
to mention unrealistic hopes of promotion) do something to alter this passionless
nonsense that is being served up week in and week out.</font></div>
<div></div>
<div>Please.</font></div>
<div>


</div>and this is the response I received:

Dear Mr Chimp (smileys/smiley2.gif)</span></font>

Thank you for your recent email
and I’m really sorry that it has taken a few days to respond. Unfortunately,
the post bag grows at times like this and we like to respond to each letter,
which takes a little time.</span></font>

Your comments about the team and
our performance are valid and as a fan I share your disappointment and
frustration. The season hasn’t gone to plan and we’ve admitted that publicly.
However, there is still belief within the Club and recent results suggest we’re
still in with a chance of reaching the play-offs. </span></font>


As I’ve said to previous
supporters, we have attempted to sign players that Glenn Hoddle wanted and I
hope this is justified by a strong finish to the season. Frankowski is a proven
international and Aliadiere is an exciting prospect. We’ve tried to mix old
heads with young hearts. Joleon Lescott, Mark Davies and Lee Naylor have all
come through the Academy and we hope that there are a few more who will soon be
pushing for senior places. Equally, we are well represented by experienced
international players such as Seol, Ince, Anderton and Kennedy who know how to
handle themselves on the pitch and can help to develop the
youngsters.</span></font>
Glenn Hoddle is a respected coach
who has managed across <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>. We’ve also
provided the footballing staff with a state-of-

[Big Mack]

Sounds similar to other responses that have been posted up here. Very clever of Jez to put the barrier of Cain inbetween us and them though.

[whitemouse75]

is it a barrier or has he got better things to do than reply to all the muppets that bombard him with emails and letters?

[Big Mack]

is it a barrier or has he got better things to do than reply to all the muppets that bombard him with emails and letters?


Probably a bit of both.

[Ginger Chimp]

is it a barrier or has he got better things to do than reply to all the muppets that bombard him with emails and letters?

I didn't send it to Jez (you c*!$!)

[De Wolfs Mullet]

</O:P>
Glenn Hoddle is a respected coach who has managed across <ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Europe</ST1:PLACE>.
Do world cup qualifiers really count? smileys/smiley11.gif

[whitemouse75]

is it a barrier or has he got better things to do than reply to all the muppets that bombard him with emails and letters?

I didn't send it to Jez (you c*!$!)



i didnt mean you specifically, but some of the s!$* people ask on here is terrible.





you $$$$

[goldeneyed]

I got a letter from Stuart Cain that was in places word for word what you received. However he seems to be trying to be reasonablyhonest and open. But he doesn't of course mention that ourworld class coach has made a lot of errors and that his team have at times been criminally apathetic. Hoddle has 11 games to prove he is such a brilliant coach etc. No play offs and it surely has to be goodbye.

[Manitoba Wolf]

Sounds similar to other responses that have been posted up here. Very clever of Jez to put the barrier of Cain inbetween us and them though.


I'd hope the Chief Executive wouldn't be the one answering fan letters, at least until they've been screened, He's got more important things to be working at, such as, do we keep the green stand in the corner for another seasonsmileys/smiley2.gif

[SOA Wolf]

Spot the spin phrases...do you think Cain and Moxey sit there giggling at the end of the month to see who has won their own competition of 'how many cliches or spin phrases either of them can get in one piece of correspondence or bulletin'?


I share your disappointment and frustration.


The season hasn’t gone to plan


there is still belief within the Club


We’ve tried to mix old heads with young hearts


We’ve also provided the footballing staff with a state-of-the-art training facility


an extensive support network


We have invested in players, top class facilities and a world-class coach


it is difficult to know what more the Board could have done


Everybody at the club – from top to bottom – is doing everything they can to bring about success


none more than Glenn Hoddle who works tirelessly


hopefully we will be able to ‘turn a corner’


pull together a run


Thank you for taking the time to write


thanks for keeping the faith through difficult times.


<?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P>Now just use the above phrases, changing the name Hoddle for any player or board member or member of staff and voila, you too can write a letter or bulletin for Wolves.</O:P>

[Ginger Chimp]

you $$$$

smileys/smiley9.gifsmileys/smiley36.gif

[Del Woppio]

Spot the spin phrases...do you think Cain and Moxey sit there giggling at the end of the month to see who has won their own competition of 'how many cliches or spin phrases either of them can get in one piece of correspondence or bulletin'?


I share your disappointment and frustration.


The season hasn’t gone to plan


there is still belief within the Club


We’ve tried to mix old heads with young hearts


We’ve also provided the footballing staff with a state-of-the-art training facility


an extensive support network


We have invested in players, top class facilities and a world-class coach


it is difficult to know what more the Board could have done


Everybody at the club – from top to bottom – is doing everything they can to bring about success


none more than Glenn Hoddle who works tirelessly


hopefully we will be able to ‘turn a corner’


pull together a run


Thank you for taking the time to write


thanks for keeping the faith through difficult times.


<?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P>Now just use the above phrases, changing the name Hoddle for any player or board member or member of staff and voila, you too can write a letter or bulletin for Wolves.</O:P>





Why is there an obsession with labeling every single piece of correspondence that comes out of the club as spin?? Spin is defined as a favourable bias attached to a news story. Not a single one of those highlighted statements can be described as 'spin'. Positive - yes. Oft-repeated - yes (only repeated as often as the same questions are being asked) Spin - no. If the more traditionally negative positers on here wish to describe moderately positve statements as spin, then may i suggest they change their signatures to include the phrase 'I am a miserable b!$*!$*d, who also doesn't believe that the Titanic actually sunk.

[SOA Wolf]

DW, I suggest you read the correspondence that comes out of the club and then compare it to either the result or reality...spin is when set answers are given using a few facts to make it look as though there is an element of truth in it, rather than a thorough factual analysis.....basically read Moxey's Q&amp;A in the programme and tell me how many of those answers....although not factually incorrect...are satisfactory...the club have developed a culture of answering questions like this and not allowing the follow up questions that would torpedo holes in 90% of what is said.


Maybe if certain people were writing the story then it would have been reported that the Titanic did not sink, merely had an encounter with an iceberg....do not forget a lot of people believed the government when WMD were the reason for going to war with Iraq.

[Del Woppio]

DW, I suggest you read the correspondence that comes out of the club and then compare it to either the result or reality...spin is when set answers are given using a few facts to make it look as though there is an element of truth in it, rather than a thorough factual analysis.....basically read Moxey's Q&amp;A in the programme and tell me how many of those answers....although not factually incorrect...are satisfactory...the club have developed a culture of answering questions like this and not allowing the follow up questions that would torpedo holes in 90% of what is said.


Maybe if certain people were writing the story then it would have been reported that the Titanic did not sink, merely had an encounter with an iceberg....do not forget a lot of people believed the government when WMD were the reason for going to war with Iraq.





what a surprising quote from a member of of 'a public figure said it so it's lies lies lies' brigade. Ho would you like them to answer the same question over and over and over again? The sheer volume of correspondence the club gets along the lines of "The seasonsgone to s!$* why havent you done anything?" astounds me, and there are only so many ways you can word the same answer before you start to repeat your self. The board have done everything they feel right in the quest for promotion. They have spent money on players and a training ground. They made a decision on a manager and are sticking by their original judgement. They are dissappointed with the seasons results, but they do believe that it can change for the better. They are greatful for thefans turning up week in week out despite a dissappointing season. There is no 'spin' here. There is answering of a question, in a positive manner in an attempt to keep confidence and morale high. I'm happy they are doing that, because togetherness is improtant. You can put whatever 'spin' you want to on the email from Mr Cain, because you, SOA, are doing exactly what you accuse Wolves of doing.

[UNCLE REMUS]

Spot the spin phrases...do you think Cain and Moxey sit there giggling at the end of the month to see who has won their own competition of 'how many cliches or spin phrases either of them can get in one piece of correspondence or bulletin'?


I share your disappointment and frustration.


The season hasn’t gone to plan


there is still belief within the Club


We’ve tried to mix old heads with young hearts


We’ve also provided the footballing staff with a state-of-the-art training facility


an extensive support network


We have invested in players, top class facilities and a world-class coach


it is difficult to know what more the Board could have done


Everybody at the club – from top to bottom – is doing everything they can to bring about success


none more than Glenn Hoddle who works tirelessly


hopefully we will be able to ‘turn a corner’


pull together a run


Thank you for taking the time to write


thanks for keeping the faith through difficult times.


<?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P>Now just use the above phrases, changing the name Hoddle for any player or board member or member of staff and voila, you too can write a letter or bulletin for Wolves.</O:P>








SOA I think I've got a line on the "Bulls!$* Bingo" game. "BINGO!

[whitemouse75]

i'm with del on this one, you cant really argue against any of those points.

[SOA Wolf]

Del, Whitempuse, what I do notice is that they do not mention anything about their responsibility about how things have gone wrong as it was the board...well one member of at least ...who wanted Hoddle to a degree that they paid over the odds for him and wasted 6 weeks before appointing anyone when he was not available first time....a decision not greeted by Wolves fans with much warmth because we could see it was not a great choice (most could anyway), but as another 18 months has gone by they are now distancing themselves from THEIR decision....what I would like to see is answers that indicate their responsibility for their decisions. Instead we get soundbites and blame pushed elsewhere.


If you want to see a prime example of b*lls!$* then read Moxey's response to the question of the cost of catering in the recent programme....had he given me this answer face to face I would have laughed andripped apartthe total nonsense it was....you either wish toaccept non specific answers or not....I have been in the business of not...Whitemouse, I would have thought someone in your line would prefer straightforward responses too.

[SSW]

...who wanted Hoddle to a degree that they
paid over the odds for him and wasted 6 weeks before appointing anyone
when he was not available first time....a decision not greeted by
Wolves fans with much warmth because we could see it was not a great
choice (most could anyway)



That's not how I remember it. Most Wolves fans *did*want Hoddle at the
time whereas very few of us were urging the club to steer well
clear. It's possible that the Wolves board misjudged the appeal
of Hoddle by reading fans forums like this one.

[westlyNTR]

$...who wanted Hoddle to a
degree that they
paid over the odds for him and wasted 6 weeks
before appointing anyone
when he was not available first time....a decision not
greeted by
Wolves fans with much warmth because we could
see it was not a great
choice (most could anyway)

That's not how I remember it. Most Wolves fans
*did*want Hoddle at the
time whereas very few of us were urging the club to
steer well
clear.$ It's possible that the Wolves board misjudged
the appeal
of Hoddle by reading fans forums like this one.


Exactly - there were only a couple of posters that
were "anti-Hoddle" and they got derided for not
jumping on the "we'll go up as champions with
Hoddle" bandwagon.
Unfortunately there is little satisfaction in saying "we
told you so"

[bradmore]

A recent thread 'SCANDALOUS' made a fuss about minor staff being kicked outunder restructuring and saving the club a few bob (literally). And yet here we have a spin doctor taken on by the club , probably on a high salary, merely to churn out cliches on behalf of moxey. Same old story. whoops another cliche.