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Scott.Cooper
04-02-2006, 19:53
...Jez Moxey
Today, amongst the chants of "We want Hoddle out" were chants of "We want Moxey out" - and I really can't understand it.
We have spent more in this Transfer window and on the season as a whole yet people still want him out.
He has found the money for Frankowski, agreed what has been described
as a "difficult deal" in getting Aliadiere and made more out of Henri
Camara than any of us would have dreamt of.
Have a go at Hoddle all you like, but what exactly has Moxey done wrong?
He got slated for the one year rolling contract, yet I bet those same people are glad it's in place now.
Can't say I heard any Moxey out chants, but he, Sir Jack and Hoddle all
need to go, changing managers every 18 months isn't helping anything.
Hatch End Wolf
04-02-2006, 19:57
Three chairs for Jez Moxley. hip hip hurrah!
Got to agree though, there's only place to place top lay the blame today.......and that's with the man who coaches and picks the "team"!
Leicesterwolf
04-02-2006, 19:57
Hey Scotty !
I agree , three cheers for Saint Jez .
The very man who wanted a big name manager to go with his big name signings to put bums on seats .
A policy that we have perfected under the current board.smileys/smiley32.gif
The Punisher
04-02-2006, 20:02
Agree Scott. Moxey is not to blame for the current shambles. Hoddle is clearly to blame. How many other Championship Clubs have purchased a striker for £1.4 million in the transfer window? Hoddle is a clueless buffoon who blames everybody but himself for the current shambles! When did Hoddle last face the fans at a fans forum? When did he last participate in a fans phone in? Answer never. He like his team is gutless!The Hoddle out chants are totally justified as he has and is failing miserably! IMHO Moxey out chants are unjustified! At least he is prepared to face the fans unlike Hoddle!
28th March 1965
04-02-2006, 20:07
Time for a major clearout from players to backroom staff to the men upstairs...........
bone roach
04-02-2006, 20:07
so praise a chief exec who overseas one profitable sale whilst chosing to ignore the decision to sell Miller lastsummer or tie him down to a new contract which has cost us £1.5m. He funds the money for a replacement forward on the back of the request from the manager who can't show us any committment either. What about the money that went on signing the fantastic players of the prem campaign that we've lost money on - since you chose to raise the one profitable deal. We paid up Iverssen's loyalty bonus at Spurs and goodness knows what a week. Silas - are we still paying part of his wages as well as seeing a £1m investment depreciate to zero? I could go on.
What about the excellent decision not to enter into contract negotiations with players that are going out of contract in the summer in the season we were relegated in the prem? A 30-someting Butler decides to go with the security elsewhere, but nevermind, we'd alreadyreplaced him with the £1.6m signing of Craddock - (no pop at Jody intended)
Despite all of the money received in the past three years, the side that we have now would get p***ed on by the Cardiffplayoff winningteam. The amount of money wasted in the past three years at Wolves is nothing short of a disgrace - Moxey's the chief executive watching over this.His PR is shocking, relationship towards his customers poor (I remember him blaming the fans in the programme last year) and the product he is overseeing is significantly lower quality and costs more. than when he took over.
But then it's all about what Sir Jack thinks and not me.
Black Suit
04-02-2006, 20:12
JM has to have ashare of the blame. But I am fed up with blame and the blame culture that I personally have played a part in over the past 15 months. I want to see some action.
It is too early to slate anyone over the £1.4m spending on TF. Personally, I think he looks useful but needs to get to know the others better over the next month.
I just don't understand the remaining choice of the line-upor Glen's thinking!?
I bet DJ is still smug tonight despite the defeat. We are an embarrassment. smileys/smiley11.gif
Jiz Moxlie is a teflon man, maybe that taupe suit is even teflon
coated. Luckily, he already appears to be drawing targets on Hoddle's
back in preparation for the night of the long knives.
Jim Bowen
04-02-2006, 20:17
Who's to blame?Jack Hayward - He's the one who's put Moxey and Rick Hayward in charge. What do they know about football? Ricks a rugby man, learning about football at Wolves, not Willenhall Town, Wolverhampton Wanderers! You couldn't make it up. Until we get someone with a football background on the board we wont go anywhere.
bone roach
04-02-2006, 20:27
Who's to blame?Jack Hayward - He's the one who's put Moxey and Rick Hayward in charge. What do they know about football? Ricks a rugby man, learning about football at Wolves, not Willenhall Town, Wolverhampton Wanderers! You couldn't make it up. Until we get someone with a football background on the board we wont go anywhere.
But since Jack Hayward owns the club can't he do pretty much as he likes?
The way I see it - Rick's just keeping an eye onhis inheritance without getting in as much trouble with dad asthe other brother, that self confessed Man Utd fanwhosigned Darren Ferguson so that Alex would come and watch. Can't blame Rick in my view. Not sure how much he'd have to do with the day to day running though
Jez is appointed by Sir Jack. I don't know how much of the running of the club he actually oversees or does. All I know is that its peeves me that the club remains in a sick state. We are an average mid-table team in this division andhave not made progress under the however many years Moxey has been here. True we're not in the financial state of Derby or Leicester - but in fairness, they've had more than one poxy season in the top flight in the last 20-odd years.
wolfie smith
04-02-2006, 21:24
fail to see what getting rid of moxey will achieve, he has backed the manager in his signings, ok one or two elements like not resigning butler are mistakes, i feel the whole moxey hatred is down to
<LI>his bonus on promotion</LI>
<LI>slicked back hair</LI>
<LI>fat</LI>
<LI>slimy</LI>
<LI>and the new goat</LI>
if the team was doing ok would there still be this hatred?
facts are the team are doing s!$*e, too many formations=confused players in wrong positions, even lescott has caught the downward spiral virus sweeping the players, only ince is left, how did he do today? do you think if glenn is still in charge against crewe he might use ince on the left wingsmileys/smiley5.gif
Ginger Chimp
04-02-2006, 22:14
I posted this on another thread ... maybe it sits better here ... :
Does the manager put the excitement back into the team or ... here's a
thought ... is it down to the players? I am not (never have been) a
fan of Hoddle but how much of this inspid season is down to him, how
much is down to the fact that we still have O'Connor and Gray involved
and how much is down to overpaid playing staff with little or no self
motivation to improve themselves and test themselves against better
opposition?
Just
changing the manager is a street we have been down before. What's
really needed is a root and branch review with a strategic focus on
where the club wants to be in several years time - several years NOT
next season.
One of the mistakes we made (which I believe we are
paying for) is failing to encourage Dave Jones to build a team for the
future.
What we need are strategic leaders, committed football
professionals and a squad of talented, hungry youngsters looking to
prove themselves on the larger stage.
What we've got is a
manager who thinks he knows it all, a squad who are past their best
(and their best was never as good as they thought it was), a Chairman
and President who have more important things in their lives and a CEO
who does not have the unqualified respect of the fans - that must mean
that he's doing some things that not everyone agrees with ... if his
actions have a strategic focus then it would be beneficial for him to
share them with the fans - the stakeholders in this club (stake not
share!!!)
Replacing Hoddle with Joe Nextmanager is not necessarily the right move ... just the easiest one.
Bradders
04-02-2006, 23:00
Moxey does as he's told by the man who owns the club. If he's told he has to pull in a £2mil profit that's his job to achieve it. If his target is to work to a £10mil loss and deliver Premiership football at that cost it's down to Moxey to ensure that happens. He compiles the business plan on what SJH wants and ultimately SJH is to blame for where we are now - pretty much the same position as when he took over.
We have clearly spent the last couple of years in profit-making mode and not having SJH dip into his personal funds again. If that's what SJH wants then come out and say it. IMHO it's SJH who needs to go over and above Jez.
I posted this on another thread ... maybe it sits better here ... :
Does the manager put the excitement back into the team or ... here's a thought ... is it down to the players? I am not (never have been) a fan of Hoddle but how much of this inspid season is down to him, how much is down to the fact that we still have O'Connor and Gray involved and how much is down to overpaid playing staff with little or no self motivation to improve themselves and test themselves against better opposition?
Just changing the manager is a street we have been down before. What's really needed is a root and branch review with a strategic focus on where the club wants to be in several years time - several years NOT next season.
One of the mistakes we made (which I believe we are paying for) is failing to encourage Dave Jones to build a team for the future.
What we need are strategic leaders, committed football professionals and a squad of talented, hungry youngsters looking to prove themselves on the larger stage.
What we've got is a manager who thinks he knows it all, a squad who are past their best (and their best was never as good as they thought it was), a Chairman and President who have more important things in their lives and a CEO who does not have the unqualified respect of the fans - that must mean that he's doing some things that not everyone agrees with ... if his actions have a strategic focus then it would be beneficial for him to share them with the fans - the stakeholders in this club (stake not share!!!)
Replacing Hoddle with Joe Nextmanager is not necessarily the right move ... just the easiest one.
Sorry but all that still calls for a new manager.
Space Wolf
04-02-2006, 23:08
As I've said before. I can't see just replacing Hoddle making that much
difference. Yes a new manager might start getting better results but
the deep rot within the club will still be there.
SOA Wolf
05-02-2006, 00:35
As I've said before. I can't see just replacing Hoddle making that much difference. Yes a new manager might start getting better results but the deep rot within the club will still be there.
Correct...people are so dumb...who appointed Hoddle, who chased after him, who gave him £500K last season for six months and then after seeing us fail gave him another contract? Who has caused to have one of the biggest wage bills in the division? Who helped get rid of two Wolves fans off the board to ensure more control? Who pays over the odds to get average players, who fails to get 90% of the players we want if anyone else is interested...who only tends to get players who no one else was chasing AND THEN spends too much money getting them....and some of you say he is a good businessman....glad NONE of you that make this claim are within 1000 miles of my business.
Who has systematically increased prices by an average well over inflation since he has been here and introduced booking fees, national rate phone systems...ticketing systems that let down people for the play-off final and on the one big occasion that it needed to be right against Man Utd....but then allowed corporate packages to sell tickets to anyone....this is a man whoseems out for himself and appears to be interested in what he can gain rather than the club....keep him if you want - watch him appoint some other drongo because he has no clue what a good manager is and instead enjoys the kudos of a 'name' at the club.....boy I have had to listen to 12 months of people telling me what a great manager Hoddle is...suddenly they are in the know and are full of wisdom about him being poor, but still they fail to see who is pulling the strings.
DJ has hinted at it, Butler came out and said it, but still the moronic element on here are too dim to comprehend...great sack Hoddle, but the problem will remain.
They both need to go....NOW.
Correct...people are so dumb...who appointed Hoddle, who chased after him, who gave him £500K last season for six months and then after seeing us fail gave him another contract? Who has caused to have one of the biggest wage bills in the division? Who helped get rid of two Wolves fans off the board to ensure more control? Who pays over the odds to get average players, who fails to get 90% of the players we want if anyone else is interested...who only tends to get players who no one else was chasing AND THEN spends too much money getting them....and some of you say he is a good businessman....glad NONE of you that make this claim are within 1000 miles of my business
The same bloke who was in charge when we got promoted. Considering the transfer budget available Moxey, Dave Jones and the players did a fantastic job. Wolves are currently SOLVENT yet have the best training ground and academy in the country and have consistently outpaid any other club in the transfer market and wage ceiling. I do not believe for a minute Moxey decides who we sign or is responsible for the crap served up week in week out. If he knew enough about football to appoint the messiah he'd be in charge himself.
Who has systematically increased prices by an average well over inflation since he has been here and introduced booking fees, national rate phone systems...ticketing systems that let down people for the play-off final and on the one big occasion that it needed to be right against Man Utd....but then allowed corporate packages to sell tickets to anyone....this is a man whoseems out for himself and appears to be interested in what he can gain rather than the club....keep him if you want - watch him appoint some other drongo because he has no clue what a good manager is and instead enjoys the kudos of a 'name' at the club.....boy I have had to listen to 12 months of people telling me what a great manager Hoddle is...suddenly they are in the know and are full of wisdom about him being poor, but still they fail to see who is pulling the strings.
DJ has hinted at it, Butler came out and said it, but still the moronic element on here are too dim to comprehend...great sack Hoddle, but the problem will remain.
They both need to go....NOW.
The ticket structure is no different to any other club that's why attendances are down across the board. Paul Butler was not good enough, thought he had arrived when we got promotedand was totally out of his depth at that level (Sour Grapes). Jones should have replaced Kennedy, Newton and Cameron on relegation which he didn'tbut wastedgood money on Olofinjana and Seol who they cant even be bothered to play in their rightful positions. Surely it's Moxey's job to put a positive spin on everything?
My gripe with Wolves is that the lot of them including Moxey are paid FAR TOO MUCH. Sort it out Sir Jack, it's about time you severly kicked ass.
Ginger Chimp
05-02-2006, 11:12
Sorry but all that still calls for a new manager.
Yes, I know. The point is if a change is deemed to be appropriate then it's not JUST a new manager we need. We need a different approach (a longer term focus, perhaps).
Edited by: Ginger Chimp
Slip On Shoes
05-02-2006, 11:28
Moxey certainly should shoulder some of the blame but Hoddle is the main culprit as was his predecessor Jones.
One thing I want to know is why did he sanction the £1.4mill signing of a 32 year old foreigner who has never played in England with a manager who should really be a dead man walking???
SOA Wolf
05-02-2006, 11:30
The same bloke who was in charge when we got promoted. Considering the transfer budget available Moxey, Dave Jones and the players did a fantastic job. Wolves are currently SOLVENT yet have the best training ground and academy in the country and have consistently outpaid any other club in the transfer market and wage ceiling. I do not believe for a minute Moxey decides who we sign or is responsible for the crap served up week in week out. If he knew enough about football to appoint the messiah he'd be in charge himself.
The ticket structure is no different to any other club that's why attendances are down across the board. Paul Butler was not good enough, thought he had arrived when we got promotedand was totally out of his depth at that level (Sour Grapes). Jones should have replaced Kennedy, Newton and Cameron on relegation which he didn'tbut wastedgood money on Olofinjana and Seol who they cant even be bothered to play in their rightful positions. Surely it's Moxey's job to put a positive spin on everything?
My gripe with Wolves is that the lot of them including Moxey are paid FAR TOO MUCH. Sort it out Sir Jack, it's about time you severly kicked ass.
The same bloke who then sacked within a few months of a new season the only person who WAS the reason we have been solvent...Dave Jones...without the PL money are you trying to tell me we would have shown any profit? Not with the wage bill this guy has set up, also not with the overpriced transfer fees he has paid out....I could not understand why people could not see how poorly Wolves were playing under Hoddle...it was so blatant..as was the fact he would never get us promoted, hence why I predicted we would finish 10th and had bets with people (who must be now regretting them)...I still cannot underdtand why so many of you cannot see that with the failure to sign Jones first choice transfers, overpaying on fees on players we have signed and the ludicrous wages we have paid for average players. On top of that he undermined the morale at the club by not even talking to players when contracts were due to finish..it has been said by Butler and Rae that they could well have stayed and Cameron made comments about a year or so back...and those are the ones that have spoken out.
SJH has handed over the reins to the current board...Rick is hardly ever there, nor is Manduca...so what goes on is really down to Moxey....and he wanted Hoddle....it shows his football understanding...so who will he choose next....another disaster?
Both Hoddle and Moxey need to go....Hoddle will solve the immediate problem...if Moxey stays then IMHO we are just setting up the next problem.
Cosmo Kramer
05-02-2006, 12:22
The Hoddle out chants are totally justified as he has and is failing miserably! IMHO Moxey out chants are unjustified! At least he is prepared to face the fans unlike Hoddle![/QUOTE]
agree, he coughed up the dough ~ hoddle well he can blow. clueless hell leave us in a right mess, when to go ? todays not too soon but definately by tomorrow.
Space Wolf
05-02-2006, 12:25
It's Moxey's job to face the fans...to try and put a positive spin on
things. There is no one else on the non footballing side to do it.
Manduca, Rick Hayward? I don't think so.
The same bloke who then sacked within a few months of a new season the only person who WAS the reason we have been solvent...Dave Jones...without the PL money are you trying to tell me we would have shown any profit? Not with the wage bill this guy has set up, also not with the overpriced transfer fees he has paid out....I could not understand why people could not see how poorly Wolves were playing under Hoddle...it was so blatant..as was the fact he would never get us promoted, hence why I predicted we would finish 10th and had bets with people (who must be now regretting them)...I still cannot underdtand why so many of you cannot see that with the failure to sign Jones first choice transfers, overpaying on fees on players we have signed and the ludicrous wages we have paid for average players. On top of that he undermined the morale at the club by not even talking to players when contracts were due to finish..it has been said by Butler and Rae that they could well have stayed and Cameron made comments about a year or so back...and those are the ones that have spoken out.
SJH has handed over the reins to the current board...Rick is hardly ever there, nor is Manduca...so what goes on is really down to Moxey....and he wanted Hoddle....it shows his football understanding...so who will he choose next....another disaster?
Both Hoddle and Moxey need to go....Hoddle will solve the immediate problem...if Moxey stays then IMHO we are just setting up the next problem.
You make it sound as if Moxey is responsible for who gets signed? How the hell can he be held responsible for poor performances on the pitch? All i ask as a supporter is that they show ambition (training ground/academy) and give the manager as much money as possible to make the team successful without going heavily in to debt - which in my opinion they have done. Like most i was expecting us to be a top two team pre season and i felt the ticket prices were value for money especially after how we played against the Villa.
Not now admittedly but that's Hoddle's and perhaps the players faults because it's been the most boring football i've ever seen at the Wolves. Even when we were down the bottom of Division Four (no i didnt go to Bolton) it was comedy value at least.
Why this love affair with Butler, Cameron and Alex Rae. None of them good enough to play in the premiership so why persist with them? You cant fault them during the promotion season and the one before but move them on which they have slowly but surely done. What get's me is the failure of Jones and Hoddle to replace these players with players capable of playing in the Championship AND competing with the bottom ten Premiership teams. Olofinjana and Seol would have been different players in the Premiership. You watch Seol in Germany.
As it is i look forward next year to the kids playing a bigger part and the massive downsizing that is needed to compliment it. Might get 15000 average gates but it will bea damn sight more exciting and rewarding than the current $$$$$$$z. Bring it on. The Wolves will be back.
Uncle Festa
05-02-2006, 13:21
Moxey isn't responsible for who gets signed but he is responsible for the price. Lets take Miller as an example. Bought by Rangers for £1 million, couldn't produce yet manage to sell to Wolves for £3.5 million. Total resale value of said player - nought. Two awful pieces of business that lay firmly on Moxeys shoulder. If he was running my business he'd be picking his P45 up.
Moxey isn't responsible for who gets signed but he is responsible for the price. Lets take Miller as an example. Bought by Rangers for £1 million, couldn't produce yet manage to sell to Wolves for £3.5 million. Total resale value of said player - nought. Two awful pieces of business that lay firmly on Moxeys shoulder. If he was running my business he'd be picking his P45 up.
£3.5 was the going rate in those days and Kenny was fantastic during his loan spell and has been fantastic ever since IMO. I dont blame Kenny for making a few quid and p!$*ing off to Celtic(Must be frustrating playing for the Wolves)and why at the start of the season sell a player who we thought would fire us to the Premiership? Having said all that i wouldnt play him any longer and would give him a free - play somebody who's committed. Contrast all that with Moxey's handling of Camara and Akinbiyi.
the blame lies with sir jack. not many people will come out and say it for all he has done for the club. he might not have saved us from oblivian but he certainly helped. the stadium is his legacy.
however, the money that we seem to be losing IS going back to him, believe it or not, thats what my inside info is and is correct about 90% of the time.
moxey is a yes man. apart from Frankowski, who have we bought in on mega bucks wages? i cant think of any.
the players who are on the mega wages have been on them for years, mainly from the spend spend spend era when we still messed up.
the big earners ARE ince, who fully deserves the money, lescott, who up until the last few months you would say deserved it, and kennedy,.......................................... .......... ...........................
the big big problem all stems from when DJ arrived.
if we had gone down the 5 year plan option we would have had foundations to build on still.
instead we blew stupid money on older players and with no spine of the side we have constantly bought over payed players instead of taking a risk and snapping up players from the lower leagues or trusting the youth.
if/when (hopefully soon) hod goes, we have to bring in someone who will be given time to build, someone like newell, martin allen etc.
big names havent worked. mega bucks havent worked. we need a change of direction, we need a plan.
if this was outlined to the fans then i would hope that they would be patient because at least they would know that something was being done.
Oldgold Wolfcub
05-02-2006, 13:38
moxey is a yes man. apart from Frankowski, who have we bought in on mega bucks wages? i cant think of any.
Who says Frankie is on mega bucks wages. Tell me as the only thing I heard was that he was going to be on twenty per cent more than his present wages and how much would that be in the Spanish second division.
big names havent worked. mega bucks havent worked. we need a change of direction, we need a plan.
if this was outlined to the fans then i would hope that they would be patient because at least they would know that something was being done.
There can be no other plan come next season because they wont have the money to spend.Not sure i want some Russian Oligarch or a Glazer coming in and spending millions not that they would any way because the Council own the Ground. All i want to see is exciting football and the club moving in the right direction and who cares if it's in the Championship fora few seasons.Until the high earners and showboaters have moved on they'll be treading water.
Uncle Festa
05-02-2006, 13:45
How can £3.5 million be the going rate when 12 months earlier he had been signed for only £1 million? (I think your getting confused with the going rate and the Wolves going rate). Miller may have been superb when he was on loan but he wasn't as superb as Sturridge who cost a paltry £350,000. Work the sums out yourself.
How can £3.5 million be the going rate when 12 months earlier he had been signed for only £1 million? (I think your getting confused with the going rate and the Wolves going rate). Miller may have been superb when he was on loan but he wasn't as superb as Sturridge who cost a paltry £350,000. Work the sums out yourself.
I would say that Kenny was the best value for money overall. Perhaps they would have been better signing him when he cost £1M but i get the impression Moxey and Hayward would have been lynched for not being ambitious if they hadn't coughed up. If we'd stayedin the premiership that £3.5M would haveseemed a bargain especially when you consider the money spent on Blobby and Branchy.
They need to find a new Bully - think we can all agree on that.
frankowski isnt in the same league as kennedy but he is still on round about £15k per week.
if you say the average for a championship player is about £5-8k a week then this is big wages in this league.
only time will tell if he is worth it
Jack Bauer
05-02-2006, 19:15
Unfortunately the average wage for a Championship player is far less than 5-8k a week. I doubt any of Reading's squad are on that much.
