"coming out" thread

[wolfie smith]

i backed hoddle from the first day, i thought he had the tactical knowledge to improve the results, from the words he said when he first took over, "this club needs a whole change of attitude" i didnt think he meant to a losing gutless passionless attitude!


the winning results at the end of last season were a false dawn, your tactics have created dire football, apathy in the stands, resentment of people in high places i.e sir jack and a failure to even reach the play offs. why should we give you more time? to see franki and alladiere settle in just in case they provide miracles? no other team in this division plays strikers as wingers, we have scored less goals than crewe who are bottom, reading have scored twice as many and they only play 2 strikers,it trulyis embarrassing to support wolves at this moment in time.


i admit i was wrong over glenn hoddle, i wanted him to succeed, we have stagnated since he got here.


join me in coming out and proclaiming the doom mongers were rightsmileys/smiley19.gif

[28th March 1965]

Whats made me laugh with some sections of the support today was the fact it's took them until today to realise Hoddle is s!$* .......I've known this as well as many on here for the last two months plus......


We are a laughing stock ...it was embarrassing to be beaten by a team like Leicester who are themselves pathetic....

[wolfie smith]

if i had medals id give you onesmileys/smiley2.gif

[SOA Wolf]

if i had medals id give you onesmileys/smiley2.gif


At least you have the guts to say it Wolfie..well done...28th...two months!!!!???!!...It was obvious last january!...I called him clueless then and frankly have not been able to understand what the hell people were talking about when they said we were playing good football.

[28th March 1965]

Well a few months after the new season if I'm going get it right.......we all thought this season was going to be the one like many seasons but Hoddle has got us playing worse football thenthe likes of McGhee , Lee , Taylor all wrapped into one...

[Deutsch Wolf]

Am I disappointed with current results and performances? Hell yes.


Am I happy with Hoddle at the moment? Hell no.


Did I back him and believe he'd do a job nine months ago? Yes, despite having some reservations.


Am I going to jump on this bandwagon now? No. Why do you think Wolves have got a reputation as a hire 'em and fire 'em club, with unbelievably demanding and fickle supporters? If we sack Hoddle without giving him a full season, we stand guilty of the same charge. No manager worth his salt will join us - although we know how bad we are at present, to the untrained eye, we're only 8 points off the play-offs, having just signed two new strikers. Give him the rest of the season, if we don't make it, then get rid. Not before.


To be honest, the "could have told you so" brigade are as pathetic as the "happy clappers" they so despise. So you hated Hoddle when he came in and have since nit-picked at every decision he's made, and now crow about how right you were? Congratulations gents. smileys/smiley32.gif

[28th March 1965]

The 'Blame the fans crew' are equally as pathetic......I pay good money and stupidily go without in other areas just to follow my football team and the least I expect is players and management of those that bite my hand off for a near £60 a week to have some pride and passion and show me my outlay is at least worth the money....and I have people like you calling me pathetic.....please DW.

[Deutsch Wolf]

I never said you weren't a committed fan, or that you didn't deserve a passionate performance from the team, just that having a willy-waving contest about who said Hoddle was crap first is a bit pointless.

[28th March 1965]

I never said you weren't a committed fan, or that you didn't deserve a passionate performance from the team, just that having a willy-waving contest about who said Hoddle was crap first is a bit pointless.


Maybe I am guilty of that DW but at this time we the fans must stick together we have a common goal , that goal is to see Wolves flourish again and that will only be achieved if Hoddle is removed from the hotseat.......what is the right time god I don't know maybe I'm typing on here under a veil of anger and come across as a knob in certain posts....but christ DW this is hell mate watching my team have no fight and being outbattled by possibly one of the worst teams in the division....and thats not just today we haven't played good football since the opening month of the season...


I'm not going to get in a battle with you DW we need to stick together (not just me and you but all the fans) it's us against them and they are treading all over us and making us look $$$$$$$ing silly..

[Deutsch Wolf]

Don't get me wrong mate, I agree with you, this is exactly the time for Wolves fans to stick together. This "make-or-break" season is rapidly heading towards the "break" end of the scale, and the blame should be solely pointed at one Mr Hoddle. What we don't need is people crowing about how right they were (and this is by no means a dig at you), how they were the first to say what a disaster he would be, or 28 different "Hoddle Out" threads. If you think he should go, fine. Personally, I don't see much point in changing for the rest of the season, as I mentioned above. But that's my choice. I don't see what protests at the Crewe game, as was suggestedearlier,would achieve. The best message to the board is that we'll survive and carry on supporting Wolves in spite of Hoddle, not turning our backs on the team.

[28th March 1965]

I tend to disagree with a few of your comments but I'm not going to rubbish them DW , my view is that the players are not commited to the cause anymore (Kennedy , Miller to name two of the most guilty members) and Hoddle himself a manager can get away with a bit of flack but when he's playing players that would be out of the squad straight away in other teams it needs to be aired by the fans the disatisfaction we feel instead of bottling it up...


It's been going on far to long and this pans into our 20 odd match run without losing a game.......

[Deutsch Wolf]

But how should we express this dissatisfaction at the Crewe game? Booing? Hoddle Out chants? I don't think either of those will benefit the performance of the team. I agree that the club needs to be more aware of the fans' concerns (of which there are plenty), but given our present form, we need to give the team 100% support while they're on the pitch, regardless of how you feel about the manager and certain players.

[28th March 1965]

But how should we express this dissatisfaction at the Crewe game? Booing? Hoddle Out chants? I don't think either of those will benefit the performance of the team. I agree that the club needs to be more aware of the fans' concerns (of which there are plenty), but given our present form, we need to give the team 100% support while they're on the pitch, regardless of how you feel about the manager and certain players.





Don't get me wrong DW I'm not going out to the Crewe game with the intent on starting slating the team and manager from the off , the time that the fans will turn will be evident and looking at the past performances at home and todays outcry for Hoddle to go it will not take long before it's echoed , I'm going to the games now not enjoying myself and that is so wrong....


Supporting the club should come from both parties and to me the only side the support is coming from is from the terraces , because it certainly isn't coming from the players on the pitch..

[Deutsch Wolf]

I certainly agree with you that the football isn't enjoyable or entertaining, and that a lot of people are reaching the end of their tether. However much people wish for it though, I don't see Hoddle resigning or being sacked until reaching the play-offs is mathematically impossible.

[IMAB]

But how should we express this dissatisfaction at the Crewe game? Booing? Hoddle Out chants?


If we lose, then yes. After the final whistle then we should "LET THEM HAVE IT".

[28th March 1965]

I certainly agree with you that the football isn't enjoyable or entertaining, and that a lot of people are reaching the end of their tether. However much people wish for it though, I don't see Hoddle resigning or being sacked until reaching the play-offs is mathematically impossible.


We are going to see 3 more monthsof pathetic football then.....That in itself is going to cause World War 3 around Molineux....


There's going to be bloodshed now and it's not going to be much fun being a Wolves fan in that time..

[wolfie smith]

i think that someone is getting ready to load the straw on the camels back. a draw against crewe a team we trounced at gresty road should be unthinkable, but i feel that could be on the cards.


when a manager starts playing players out of position something is wrong, we can see kennedy is not a central midfielder and we can definately see miller and clarke are not "width" players, the same thing happened when jones tried kennedy at left back.


DW i didnt start this thread to be a willy waving contest, it was just to see who felt the same as me that yes, the negative posters were right,i probably shouldnt have done as this gives them license to wave their willys no matter how small they aresmileys/smiley2.gif

[SOA Wolf]

Am I disappointed with current results and performances? Hell yes.


Am I happy with Hoddle at the moment? Hell no.


Did I back him and believe he'd do a job nine months ago? Yes, despite having some reservations.


Am I going to jump on this bandwagon now? No. Why do you think Wolves have got a reputation as a hire 'em and fire 'em club, with unbelievably demanding and fickle supporters? If we sack Hoddle without giving him a full season, we stand guilty of the same charge. No manager worth his salt will join us - although we know how bad we are at present, to the untrained eye, we're only 8 points off the play-offs, having just signed two new strikers. Give him the rest of the season, if we don't make it, then get rid. Not before.


To be honest, the "could have told you so" brigade are as pathetic as the "happy clappers" they so despise. So you hated Hoddle when he came in and have since nit-picked at every decision he's made, and now crow about how right you were? Congratulations gents. smileys/smiley32.gif





Bit rich considering you start threads like this:


http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7643& (http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7643&PN=4) amp;PN=4


With comments included like this:


Anyway, this isn't a thread for debate, it's a thread for some almighty backtracking.


...why do I keep saying I told you so...because I am bl**dy angry...why, because I have to listen to all thisbleating frompeople who called some of us pant wetters...no, just more knowledgable and more observant...great... hand out the insults and then when you are shown to be wrong hand out the insults again. Now the same people who could not see what was bl**ding obvious to the rest of us expect us to listen to them as if they are the fountain of all knowledge.


I do say...yes I am wrong, if and whenI am, I also do not call supporters fickle...what sort of supporter attacks his fellow supporters' loyalty and backs the likes of Moxey, Hoddle and the players...who show little loyalty to the club or the fans...the fans are the club, I support the shirt...those that wear it should feel privileged...but unless they are paid a fortune they don't seem to want to know...so $$$$$$$ 'em ...if they do not want to play for us I have no time for them. The fans...I do care about them, because without them there would not be a professional club...players come and go, a very few show their loyalty, e.g. Bully...most are mercenary, as are managers and CEOs...would they be at the match if they were not getting paid?


As for being a sack 'em person....how many more times...I said he was a bad choice because he only came when we upped the 6 month deal to £500K...he turned us down....but Moxey wanted him...now he claims things like we will not be held to ransom after the McLeod deal....do me a favour...Moxey has created the current mess and Hoddle has merely been the cause of the football issues.


I want to get a proper board with football and Wolves people on it, with supporters representation, then set up proper scouting and coaching systems (Graham taylor managed to get it off the ground, but since then...!)...I want a manager who comes here to WANT to come here and not just because he is being offered a ludicrous amount of money....the writing was on the wall then...I did say at the time I would give him a chance, but after 5 or 6 games it was obvious (to those with football experience) that this man was clueless...his past record should have been enough...


It is time to move on, but Hoddle AND Moxey must go.

[Essex Wolf]

Sad as it is for me to say but those dobting GH are being proven right more and more each game that passes by.


I really did hope he would be he answer but even my patience with the man has been worn away. The players are more than god enough to win this league but the tactics and formations are just destroying any hope or chance.


GH's stubboness is killing the club.