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crasm98
02-02-2012, 08:23
I am currently reading the Dave Jones biography and it is a really good read.

Just reached the part when he got us promoted and he is taking about all the broken promises and how he was shafted.

He said that the week after we got promoted he was called into a meeting with Sir Jack and Jez Moxey and was asked these three questions...along with his responses:

1.) SJH - How much money will you need to keep us in the premier league

DJ - I will need about 20 million

2.) SJH - How much money will you need to get us mid table?

DJ - I will need about 30 million

3.) SJH - How much money will you need to win the title?

DJ - Lets not get carried away, lets concentrate on getting established. The 20 million will be enough for the first season.

DJ says he got a call a few days later from Jez to inform him that he was sorry but SJH would only give him a budget of 3 million.

He had drawn up a list of transfer targets which he says would of cost him about 16 million. This including an inform Trevor Sinclair and David James were some of the names. Instead he ended up with Steffern Iversen, Henri Camara and Silas - a total of 3.5 million.

DJ was angered by the lack of trust and broken promises and other managers in the Premier league were telling him to walk away because he had been given no chance before he even started.

DJ then ended by saying he was very let down and knew his days were numbered with SJH before the season had even started.

Fair play to DJ for staying and doing the best he could. Still have a lot of respect for him and would welcome him back anyday.

Such a great man.

PeteWolf
02-02-2012, 08:41
Disgusting the part Moxey and Ince played in his departure undermining him in public.

He had to go in the end, but those pair had their hands dirty. SJH and the keep quiet payments said it all.

Bend It Like Dennison
02-02-2012, 08:44
'But McCarthy had to do it on a shoestring... without him we would've be dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooomed.'

Jones' teams had something a MM team will never have- style.

Burton Wolf
02-02-2012, 08:45
Thanks crasm. Very interesting that. I hope MM writes truthfully about his time at Wolves one day that should be an even bigger eye opener.

Paul76
02-02-2012, 08:45
I'll always have time for Dave Jones. Unbelievable that he was only given 3 million. Is this book on kindle by the way?

Bend It Like Dennison
02-02-2012, 08:47
Where did you get the book from Crasm??

ginboomerang
02-02-2012, 08:48
'But McCarthy had to do it on a shoestring... without him we would've be dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooomed.'

Jones' teams had something a MM team will never have- style.

Agree with that, Jone's team was easier on the eye and I can honestly say I never went to a game and got bored and frustrated. Can't say that about Micks teams and those that travel away regularly will understand a little better.

FLEET WOLF
02-02-2012, 08:51
I am currently reading the Dave Jones biography and it is a really good read.

Just reached the part when he got us promoted and he is taking about all the broken promises and how he was shafted.

He said that the week after we got promoted he was called into a meeting with Sir Jack and Jez Moxey and was asked these three questions...along with his responses:

1.) SJH - How much money will you need to keep us in the premier league

DJ - I will need about 20 million

2.) SJH - How much money will you need to get us mid table?

DJ - I will need about 30 million

3.) SJH - How much money will you need to win the title?

DJ - Lets not get carried away, lets concentrate on getting established. The 20 million will be enough for the first season.

DJ says he got a call a few days later from Jez to inform him that he was sorry but SJH would only give him a budget of 3 million.

He had drawn up a list of transfer targets which he says would of cost him about 16 million. This including an inform Trevor Sinclair and David James were some of the names. Instead he ended up with Steffern Iversen, Henri Camara and Silas - a total of 3.5 million.

DJ was angered by the lack of trust and broken promises and other managers in the Premier league were telling him to walk away because he had been given no chance before he even started.

DJ then ended by saying he was very let down and knew his days were numbered with SJH before the season had even started.

Fair play to DJ for staying and doing the best he could. Still have a lot of respect for him and would welcome him back anyday.

Such a great man.

Very interesting that, thanks. As has been said on here, perhaps what MM may have to say about Wolves in a few years time could be even more revealing!

Mugwump
02-02-2012, 08:53
How do you know Jones side of the story is true?

Poztin
02-02-2012, 08:54
Jones' teams had something a MM team will never have- style.

MM team have something Jones' team never had, a championship title and 2 successive premiership survivals...

Sharples
02-02-2012, 09:03
Dave Jones wanted to spunk the money on some more ageing players!! :o

Wolf316
02-02-2012, 09:04
Micks had about 40 million more to spend since going up than dave jones

crasm98
02-02-2012, 09:05
Where did you get the book from Crasm??

Book was on amazon mate. Really cheap too. Worth a read.

Monkey Man
02-02-2012, 09:21
It's a great book and the guy was a real gent, you can see he had real issues with SJH and Jez, he was hung out to dry.

suntzuwolf
02-02-2012, 09:24
Micks had about 40 million more to spend since going up than dave jones

I think you'll find that Dave spent quite a bit before going up though and mick spent hardly anything as per the website below.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/wolves-transfers.html

Titch
02-02-2012, 09:28
Read it myself over Xmas, a very good read.

He also explains what happened the year we blew it and Albion went passed us. A few of the players had booked a trip to Vegas and if we had of gone up the end of season party would have clashed with it, think it was Butler who knocked on his door one morning and told him, but it was too late by then the damage had been done.:mad:

Golden_Wolf
02-02-2012, 09:31
Agree with that, Jone's team was easier on the eye and I can honestly say I never went to a game and got bored and frustrated. Can't say that about Micks teams and those that travel away regularly will understand a little better.

You never went to a Wolves game under DJ and was bored or frustrated?!? Give over.

Milwall away in the season we choked? Grimsby at home in that same season?

The first half of the season under DJ the year we got promoted, we had some terrible games. It only changed following that Newcastle F.A. cup game.

I can agree DJ's side probably had more flair but to suggest MM's team haven't been as exciting is a little stupid IMO.

MM's first year I was excited by the side he was building. Young, hungry, never say die. Ok the football may not have been as good as it was under say DJ but it was exciting to me.

Then MM's promotion season. The game against Forest still stands out to me. I haven't seen us play that sort of football in my lifetime watching the Wolves and for me it was on par with some of the football that DJ's team played in his first full season when we were on fire and running through teams before we collapsed.

I understand people are tired and frustrated with this side & MM, but don't sell the guy's previous achievements short just because of your feeling towards him now.

BlahBlah
02-02-2012, 09:57
Agree with that, Jone's team was easier on the eye and I can honestly say I never went to a game and got bored and frustrated. Can't say that about Micks teams and those that travel away regularly will understand a little better.

$$$$$$...we didn't win a game away from home with Jones in the entire season.
Few unlucky results at liverpool and man city, but generally we were whipping boys.

Shergar
02-02-2012, 09:58
It was well known at the time in the golfing circles of Shropshire and South Staffs that DJ had been shafted by Moxey over the list that DJ presented and the ones that Moxey picked.

But don't let that stop some of the vitriol felt by some towards DJ.... Cue Monk..

Shergar
02-02-2012, 10:05
$$$$$$...we didn't win a game away from home with Jones in the entire season.
Few unlucky results at liverpool and man city, but generally we were whipping boys.

His team did get over the half way in the second half though.

And for all the turner, Taylor, mcgoo years we cried out for a Paul Ince type of midfielder and DJ found him.... in Paul Ince, backed up by Rae and Cameron - the best combative middle unit we have had since Bailey et al.

Leicester at home, possibly the most amazing game in my 42 years of going.

Akaman
02-02-2012, 10:12
He was hard done by after promotion but, why line up an England keeper on massive wages who was ten years the senior of the guy we had between the sticks at the time and arguably no better?

Hoganstolemywife
02-02-2012, 10:20
This thread reminds me of a Doctor Who quote:

'History can be rewritten'.

I really liked DJ though and was a little bit disappointed when he was sacked, although one can completely understand why we did it.

FLEET WOLF
02-02-2012, 10:30
It was well known at the time in the golfing circles of Shropshire and South Staffs that DJ had been shafted by Moxey over the list that DJ presented and the ones that Moxey picked.

But don't let that stop some of the vitriol felt by some towards DJ.... Cue Monk..

For all we know and indeed probably almost certainly the case, MM has similarly been shafted by Moxey, obeying Morgan's orders.

Adrian_Monk
02-02-2012, 10:49
It was well known at the time in the golfing circles of Shropshire and South Staffs that DJ had been shafted by Moxey over the list that DJ presented and the ones that Moxey picked.

But don't let that stop some of the vitriol felt by some towards DJ.... Cue Monk..

Thanks Shergar. I've never denied he wasn't given the backing he should have got. I just don't buy into this 3 year and 5 year plan nonsense and feel he should have achieved much more considering the players he brought in.

At every pressure moment Jones ballsed up. He brough in Cooper who was a decent player but not a winger more a wide midfielder. As a replacement for the injured Kennedy the team became completely adjusted and the rest is history.

The year we did finally get promoted he persisted with that dreadful 4-3-3 for half the season with a team of ready made players, ones that didn't really need coaching on huge wages. Had the team finished one place below it would have been a total disgrace, instead the fact he had assembled a team that didn't need him telling them what to do showed through and quality showed.

When in the PL we were utterly dreadful. He played players out of position which every manager does at some point, but alienated the players which showed the lack of team spirit within the camp. He lambasted Okoronkwo, Miller and Naylor publically, which further upset the morale. He played Iversen while he was unfit then dropped him when his form improved, which was terrible management, and replaced him and one of our better players, Oakes, with Jones and Cort, who himself took time to get up and running. No wonder we went down with a whimper.

When we went down the football was the worst I've seen in over 25 years of watching Wolves. Seol and Olofinjana were appalling signings and the state he left the team in compared with when he arrived said it all. He brought Lescott back far too early which again showed lack of duty of care, and his man-management skills again shone through with public fallings out with Butler and Ince. He's like Harry Redknapp without a shred of charisma.

I actually don't 100% blame Hoddle for the debacle that followed- Jones left the squad disjointed, low and threadbear and the club low and at loggerheads. We played some great matches under Jones- but in spite of him, not because of him.

Adrian_Monk
02-02-2012, 10:51
....strange goings on

Wolves in Limerick
02-02-2012, 11:42
Mugwump I would assume that if Jez or SJH felt they have been libelled that they could sue. I would be surprised if legal advise is not sought before books of this nature are published.

PeteWolf
02-02-2012, 11:47
Mugwump I would assume that if Jez or SJH felt they have been libelled that they could sue. I would be surprised if legal advise is not sought before books of this nature are published.
They tried to, although not for slander, but breaking a confidentiality clause.

Obviously didn't want it getting out that they'd screwed him over.

Monkey Man
02-02-2012, 11:58
Read it myself over Xmas, a very good read.

He also explains what happened the year we blew it and Albion went passed us. A few of the players had booked a trip to Vegas and if we had of gone up the end of season party would have clashed with it, think it was Butler who knocked on his door one morning and told him, but it was too late by then the damage had been done.:mad:

Yes, that bit certainly shows we'd taken our eyes off the prize and thought we were promoted. I will say though, as dark as that day was, the fact that DJ got us up next year was a miracle. We could have have been playing in the 3rd division and I wouldn't have been surprised after that collapse.

goldeneyed
02-02-2012, 12:06
Not this again! There was a period of good football under Dave Jones. But there were much longer periods and some terrible matches I can remember where we were a shambles. I and many others were delighted when he and his dour persona left the club. We only scraped into the Premiership and one good day of winning the play off final cannot obscure that. His policy of buying older players with no sell on value was disastrous and I do not accept that this was in any way forced on him by the board.

He finally left us in a terrible mess and Hoddle compounded that. He was unlucky with Murray's and Lescott's injuries in our Premiership season and if it is true that he was starved of funds by SJH that was not his fault and sheer idiocy by Hayward. He had some good qualities but many more poor ones. Like so many Wolves managers of the past you rarely had a sense of a consistent and intelligent pattern and organisation in our play.

Thank godness he is gone and the attempt to constantly re-write the history of his period in office is boring beyond belief. Anyone who lauds him as a great manager or even a good one knows very little about football imv. Or perhaps our past record before him was so poor that anything above the mediocre is seen as being brilliant.

Mugwump
02-02-2012, 12:08
Mugwump I would assume that if Jez or SJH felt they have been libelled that they could sue. I would be surprised if legal advise is not sought before books of this nature are published.

Perhaps, but i think it would be a hard thing to prove or disprove from either parties point of view who was telling the truth. Unless there were taped recordings of the conversations all either party could do really is just refute the other ones claims.

marrs-guitar
02-02-2012, 12:21
Read it myself over Xmas, a very good read.

He also explains what happened the year we blew it and Albion went passed us. A few of the players had booked a trip to Vegas and if we had of gone up the end of season party would have clashed with it, think it was Butler who knocked on his door one morning and told him, but it was too late by then the damage had been done.:mad:

That's the wrong season, it was the 2000/01 season he said that about, and told that the players were responsible were shifted out over that summer.

Titch
02-02-2012, 12:25
That's the wrong season, it was the 2000/01 season he said that about, and told that the players were responsible were shifted out over that summer.

Oops, I blame the amount I drank over Xmas!!

crasm98
02-02-2012, 13:08
He was hard done by after promotion but, why line up an England keeper on massive wages who was ten years the senior of the guy we had between the sticks at the time and arguably no better?

Matt Murray was out for the whole season?

bridgnorthwolf
02-02-2012, 13:10
Matt Murray was out for the whole season?

No, he played the first game and got injured. Wouldn't have predicted that during the summer.

Penk Wolf
02-02-2012, 13:30
Dave Jones wanted to spunk the money on some more ageing players!! :o

I can understand why they pulled all the transfer budget, a 30 year old Sinclair and 34 year old James.

MonkeySpanner
02-02-2012, 15:16
DJ was one of my favorite managers at Wolves. He along with the fans got shafted that year we were promoted.

Monkey Man
02-02-2012, 15:49
DJ was one of my favorite managers at Wolves. He along with the fans got shafted that year we were promoted.

It's strange how we've had two chairman in a row do pretty much the same thing, SJH - 'we won't do it like Albion and struggle' and Morgan with his 'we won't go through this next year'

NorfolkWolf
02-02-2012, 16:29
How do you know Jones side of the story is true?

Some people will believe anything if it's in black and white!

Paul76
02-02-2012, 16:32
I take Dave Jones back in a heart beat. In actual fact, If I was Steve Morgan, I'd sack the tactical magician, and appoint Dave Jones until the end of the season.

Bull Army
02-02-2012, 16:34
Jones will never be forgiven by some for the choke season, even against Cardiff 2003.

Shergar
02-02-2012, 16:39
How do you know Jones side of the story is true?

Don't want to use this thread and DJ to bash the club anymore than it is at the moment.

But what is written is what was being said at the time, long before the book. It was even mentioned om MMix at the time in 2003

JR's Boots
02-02-2012, 16:51
It would be interesting to see what Dave could do with this current squad, compared to Mick. In fact it would be interesting to see what any other manager could be with this team.

jayeff17
02-02-2012, 17:22
I read the book when it first came out about four years ago I wanted to know why DJ who talks about being shafted when a few days after promotion he sacks his assistant John Ward you know he never mentions him.
I lost respect for DJ then

:goodnight::goodnight::goodnight:

Dewsburywolf
02-02-2012, 18:17
I can understand why they pulled all the transfer budget, a 30 year old Sinclair and 34 year old James.

Who played in the European Championships & World Cup years later :confused: :confused:

Munro Munro
02-02-2012, 18:31
You never went to a Wolves game under DJ and was bored or frustrated?!? Give over.

Milwall away in the season we choked? Grimsby at home in that same season?

The first half of the season under DJ the year we got promoted, we had some terrible games. It only changed following that Newcastle F.A. cup game.

I can agree DJ's side probably had more flair but to suggest MM's team haven't been as exciting is a little stupid IMO.

MM's first year I was excited by the side he was building. Young, hungry, never say die. Ok the football may not have been as good as it was under say DJ but it was exciting to me.

Then MM's promotion season. The game against Forest still stands out to me. I haven't seen us play that sort of football in my lifetime watching the Wolves and for me it was on par with some of the football that DJ's team played in his first full season when we were on fire and running through teams before we collapsed.

I understand people are tired and frustrated with this side & MM, but don't sell the guy's previous achievements short just because of your feeling towards him now.


Seconded

Mugwump
02-02-2012, 18:54
Don't want to use this thread and DJ to bash the club anymore than it is at the moment.

But what is written is what was being said at the time, long before the book. It was even mentioned om MMix at the time in 2003

But the fact is you don't actually know who is telling the truth. No bashing anyone here either, just saying we don't and I don't ever think we will know the true story. I don't think the club have ever or will ever make a comment about DJ's book.

Akaman
02-02-2012, 19:03
Matt Murray was out for the whole season?

No, he played the first game and got injured. Wouldn't have predicted that during the summer.

Answered it for me, Matt Murray would've been fully fit when Jones was lining up James.

Edgmond Wolf
02-02-2012, 19:04
Don't want to use this thread and DJ to bash the club anymore than it is at the moment.

But what is written is what was being said at the time, long before the book. It was even mentioned om MMix at the time in 2003


That settles it then it MUST be true :rolleyes:

dane
02-02-2012, 19:13
I think you'll find that Dave spent quite a bit before going up though and mick spent hardly anything as per the website below.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/wolves-transfers.html

A lot of those players listed as 'signed' we paid a fair bit of moneyfor, but being undisclosed there is no fee listed. Think you'll find somewhere in the region of 20M was spent on the side that got us up.

Oldgold Wolfcub
02-02-2012, 20:23
Is this the same Dave Jones who was steering us towards the first division? There is something nasty about people who have no bottle while it supposedly is going wrong but are full of blaming others after the event.
Both McCarthy and Jones had enough dosh to buy a decent squad. The difference is Jones bought players who had peaked and were only going one way...down. McCarthy has bought some good players but has not got a clue how to use them in the best way.

Oldgold Wolfcub
02-02-2012, 20:26
I think you'll find that Dave spent quite a bit before going up though and mick spent hardly anything as per the website below.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/wolves-transfers.html
Where did this info come from as there are a lot of conradictions with other reports eg Johnson and O'hara. Also has DeVries left, and Mendez Laing?

PREM.L.L
02-02-2012, 22:04
DJ was a good forerunner to MM, he brought in a premiership mentality to the club, and when he brought Kennedy in, it was carnage for other teams! Rae, Cameron etc. better than championship players.

But he always had a wobble, whether it was selection, formation or changes, it was never really settled. Iversen had the worst debut of any player i have ever seen for any team and continued to be a bit ropey for the next handful of games, then he started to play well, really well.

His hold up play was as good as it gets and if DJ had kept him in we would have stayed up in my opinion but he swapped him for an unfit and out of form Cort. This remains (for me) his biggest mistake. When Cort did find his feet it was too late.

DJ moved us up a notch and MM has improved on that but not to the level we'd like.

DJ is a sound bloke and manager and what happened to him personally was a disgrace but on this thread it seems a bit rose-tinted. He wasn't as good as MM, who's team , in patches i.e Villa game for 35 mins, gets close to what I always want to see from my team,. It's just the consistency of it that's missing.

Sounds a good book from an honorable bloke...might look it up.

WV10Wolf
03-02-2012, 13:20
How do you know Jones side of the story is true?

Because SJH would have sued him by now

Polish Wolf
03-02-2012, 13:23
DJ was a good forerunner to MM, he brought in a premiership mentality to the club, and when he brought Kennedy in, it was carnage for other teams! Rae, Cameron etc. better than championship players.

But he always had a wobble, whether it was selection, formation or changes, it was never really settled. Iversen had the worst debut of any player i have ever seen for any team and continued to be a bit ropey for the next handful of games, then he started to play well, really well.

His hold up play was as good as it gets and if DJ had kept him in we would have stayed up in my opinion but he swapped him for an unfit and out of form Cort. This remains (for me) his biggest mistake. When Cort did find his feet it was too late.

DJ moved us up a notch and MM has improved on that but not to the level we'd like.

DJ is a sound bloke and manager and what happened to him personally was a disgrace but on this thread it seems a bit rose-tinted. He wasn't as good as MM, who's team , in patches i.e Villa game for 35 mins, gets close to what I always want to see from my team,. It's just the consistency of it that's missing.

Sounds a good book from an honorable bloke...might look it up.

The Iversen story is spot on. Another case of a player being dropped after finally looking good is Oakes dropped for out of form Jones. While I thought Oakes was a poor goalkeeper in overall, he was in the form of his life when he was dropped.

DJW
03-02-2012, 13:39
Is this the same Dave Jones who was steering us towards the first division? There is something nasty about people who have no bottle while it supposedly is going wrong but are full of blaming others after the event.
Both McCarthy and Jones had enough dosh to buy a decent squad. The difference is Jones bought players who had peaked and were only going one way...down. McCarthy has bought some good players but has not got a clue how to use them in the best way.

Its a lot to do with the 'business plan'. Jones was required to get promotion imediately rather than build slowly. McCarthy joined when expectation was low and therefore enjoyed time and an agreed plan of the way forward. Any progress was deemed a success.
I think now is the first time in along time that a manager has benifited from a patient approach to gaining promotion. Sadly things have gone desperately wrong now as they have become coplacent about how difficult it is to stay in the top flight. Standing still is going backwards!

loopy lupine
03-02-2012, 13:43
I can understand why they pulled all the transfer budget, a 30 year old Sinclair and 34 year old James.

Exactly this.

Why would the board have entertained buying David James, who would've cost best part of 5m when we had the best English goalkeeper in the country at that time (OK, he got injured, but that's hindsight). Would anyone have played David "Calamity" James over a fit Matt Murray then after his performance in the previous season, culminating in the MOTM play off final?
Saying that, this is the manager who replaced a confident Oakes with Paul Jones who then proceeded to destroy any hope of us staying up with blunder after blunder!

It's all very well saying he wasn't backed in the premier league season, but he had already spent the 20m he wanted on players already at the club, all of them on monster wages and monster promotion bonuses (remmeber reading it cost us something like 15m in bonuses when we won in Cardiff).

DJW
03-02-2012, 13:49
Exactly this.

Why would the board have entertained buying David James, who would've cost best part of 5m when we had the best English goalkeeper in the country at that time (OK, he got injured, but that's hindsight). Would anyone have played David "Calamity" James over a fit Matt Murray then after his performance in the previous season, culminating in the MOTM play off final?
Saying that, this is the manager who replaced a confident Oakes with Paul Jones who then proceeded to destroy any hope of us staying up with blunder after blunder!

It's all very well saying he wasn't backed in the premier league season, but he had already spent the 20m he wanted on players already at the club, all of them on monster wages and monster promotion bonuses (remmeber reading it cost us something like 15m in bonuses when we won in Cardiff).

But thats what management is about, having top class cover for every position. Hindsight in this case can also be described as forward planning. James could well of pushed and helped Murray become one of the best keepers in the world.
You seem to be critsising him for attemting to buy quality cover for a position we went on to need quality cover for :confused:

long ball man
03-02-2012, 14:25
A decent manager for us who (whilst admittedly declaring he wasn't in the slightest bit interested in our past) played a style of football 442 with wingers that suited the tastes of most Wolves supporters.

Never likely to build an ongoing successful cub becuae of his insistence on signing old stagers, which he went on to do even more of at Cardiff.

morosewolf
03-02-2012, 14:39
The opposite view is that that SJH told him before spending the money on the team that ultimately got promoted is that it was to not just build a team for promotion, but also one capable of staying up. A net 10m was a fortune in that league 10 years ago.

That said it was clear that rightly or wrongly, post promotion the team needed further investment and I've never really understood why SJH pulled funding and put us up for sale at the point that he did.

Sharples
03-02-2012, 16:26
Never any resale value in a DJ team which for a club like us is vital IMO.

Adrian_Monk
03-02-2012, 16:50
But thats what management is about, having top class cover for every position. Hindsight in this case can also be described as forward planning. James could well of pushed and helped Murray become one of the best keepers in the world.
You seem to be critsising him for attemting to buy quality cover for a position we went on to need quality cover for :confused:

Another keeper was the least of our worries

FLEET WOLF
03-02-2012, 17:04
Never any resale value in a DJ team which for a club like us is vital IMO.

Good point in some ways that

Polish Wolf
03-02-2012, 18:41
Never any resale value in a DJ team which for a club like us is vital IMO.

I don't agree in James' case. He went on to play at high level for many more years. So he could either be sold for decent money or play for us for years to repay his transfer fee. Anyway, as things went on, such a competition to eventually injured Murray would be priceless.

That said I don't wonder why SJH didn't give Jones more money. He spent big money in the year when Albion went up. Spent it on ageing players who, maybe just maybe, in 2002/03 would be still good enough for Premier League. A year later most of them were useless in the top flight, Kennedy being the prime example.

306NOTOUT
03-02-2012, 19:05
Does he mention anything about the players he turned down from trials who then went on to be worth millions?

Oldgold Wolfcub
03-02-2012, 19:29
Never any resale value in a DJ team which for a club like us is vital IMO.
One of my early posts was about this point. What was the value of the players he had bought. I think the vast majority of players he bought lost value as soon as they joined us. McCarthy is very mixed on this.

PeteWolf
03-02-2012, 20:09
Does he mention anything about the players he turned down from trials who then went on to be worth millions?
Verpakovskis? (sp?)

He wanted to sign him, the budget wouldn't allow it.


As for resale value, this really has been one of Jez's biggest lines of spin that have people have bought into. It really doesn't mean a great deal in this day and age with the bosman ruling. Never mind having a CEO who really isn't anywhere near as good as people make him out to be at negotiating.

5m Lescott? Who honestly believes we'll get anywhere near 35m for Fletcher in the summer. Even the 18m Bent went for. Don't see it at all. He's done a few reasonable low level deals that plenty of other chairman have similar records of doing.

BlahBlah
03-02-2012, 20:15
Kim Kallstrom was another, Reo Coker when he was at MK.
Mind you...we'll never know the true story of what went on...water under the bridge, but it left a nasty taste in my mouth when you didnt know who was telling the truth.

crasm98
03-02-2012, 20:55
Any signing would of helped in that premier league season. We were a mere three points from survival. And reading what I read in the book, hence me starting the post, a little bit more backing would of gone a long way and maybe would of got us an extra win that would of kept us up

1965Wolf
03-02-2012, 21:29
Any signing would of helped in that premier league season. We were a mere three points from survival. And reading what I read in the book, hence me starting the post, a little bit more backing would of gone a long way and maybe would of got us an extra win that would of kept us up

I think we went down by 6 in the end but yes I agree with your point.

PeteWolf
03-02-2012, 22:01
I think we went down by 6 in the end but yes I agree with your point.
We would have stayed up if we'd have beaten Everton away.

BlahBlah
04-02-2012, 04:34
We might have stayed up if we'd have kept Iversen playing when he'd just started to click, instead of dropping him for the beanman Cort who took 4 matches to look interested and 6 to look fit..
Very bad management, and bad man management of Iversen......but maybe Jones only got the money to buy Cort if he promised to play him every week?
With the Butler contract situation allowed to fester and cause disruption.....there was a load of $$$$e that season and the fans were shortchanged after all the talk from a lot of participants, including SJH....

Oldgold Wolfcub
04-02-2012, 10:51
We should always remember on thing when someone says something of themselves. It is only their version of the truth. It does not mean that it is the truth. So if Dave Jones says he was let down by SJH and Uncle Jack says no then who is telling the truth?
However what we know is that Dave Jones did have money given to him and spent it. He was the manager who took us down and could easily have taken us down to the first division as this looked more likely than promotion.

Mark Rankines Lovechild
04-02-2012, 11:31
Never rated Jones to be honest, he seems to have followed the same plan at Cardiff which ultimately got him nowhere.

He did spend a fortune trying to get promoted...with no resale value and did buy some real $$$$.

Black Suit
04-02-2012, 11:52
No, he played the first game and got injured. Wouldn't have predicted that during the summer.

.......and therefore there was time to purchase another GK during the transfer window.

Wolfman jack
04-02-2012, 12:25
Never forgotten the time when after watching the team train at Compton, I said to DJ that "we are all behind you and the team dave" and he said "ask Sir Jack". A bit cryptic but I guess we all know what he meant.

TonySoprano
04-02-2012, 12:58
Bit OT and many may disagree, but that season although we went down was a lot more enjoyable than any of the 3 we've had so far. There was a real togetherness between the players/DJ and the fans, probably due to the fact he was given pence to keep us in the league. Constant backing home and away.

Still vivid in my mind that day when Naylor gave away that free-kick last minute at City. Knew we were down that day.

Paul76
04-02-2012, 13:33
Bit OT and many may disagree, but that season although we went down was a lot more enjoyable than any of the 3 we've had so far. There was a real togetherness between the players/DJ and the fans, probably due to the fact he was given pence to keep us in the league. Constant backing home and away.

Still vivid in my mind that day when Naylor gave away that free-kick last minute at City. Knew we were down that day.

And when he handed the ball straight back to the Bolton player for their throw in? That three points there would have been massive.