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qbwolf
01-02-2012, 12:57
Played a total of 136 PL games number of wins 26. Winning percetage 19.11. How is he a PL manger?

asleulv
01-02-2012, 12:58
He is not it seams.

greco wolf
01-02-2012, 12:58
poor

Sandwell Wolf
01-02-2012, 13:01
Another one? Seriously?

Essex Wolf
01-02-2012, 13:03
poor

POOR, it's a bloody disgrace.:mad:

I really cannot think of any other walk of life where such a disastrous track record would be accomadated and allowed to continue.

It's incompetance.

Think of any job you want where a well paid professional manager had such a terrible success rate and they would have been removed long ago.

WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax
01-02-2012, 13:08
What is it in points per game, i.e. including draws?

Apocalypse Now
01-02-2012, 13:09
Played a total of 136 PL games number of wins 26. Winning percetage 19.11. How is he a PL manger?

I know this one........it is because he won enough points to keep us up the previous two seasons. Do I win a prize?:rolleyes:

Essex Wolf
01-02-2012, 13:12
Taken directly this morning from the Premier League website- Mick McCarthy premier league stats as a manager: played 122 won 19 drawn 23 lost 80 goals for 107 against 221 points 80 win percentage 16%. Mick is now the proud holder of worst performance records in win percentage, points gained and goals scored for any manager in a top European division!!"

On the above and from another thread Micks team has won just 80 points from a possible 366.

The calculator shows that as 0.655 points per game.

Tosh
01-02-2012, 13:35
Does this factor in players wages at Wolves and Sunderland relative to the seasons average of other teams?

Average squad value of his squads relative to the average of each team in each season in the Premier League?

Could we have stats such as value of squad inherited and value of players at the end of each season?

I am just not sure what we are expecting here. If he had have been manager of a top 6 club in all of those games he obviously would have won more games but at a cost of x million per point. Would that make him a better manager in anybody's eyes?

He not only got us promoted but kept us there for 3 seasons with players from the league of Ireland, Division 1 and non league in some instances.

None of us like what is happening and not winning isnt much fun for anybody but lets put some perspective on stats like these. They arent as clear cut as they look!

Jalwolf
01-02-2012, 14:24
Taken directly this morning from the Premier League website- Mick McCarthy premier league stats as a manager: played 122 won 19 drawn 23 lost 80 goals for 107 against 221 points 80 win percentage 16%. Mick is now the proud holder of worst performance records in win percentage, points gained and goals scored for any manager in a top European division!!"

On the above and from another thread Micks team has won just 80 points from a possible 366.

The calculator shows that as 0.655 points per game.

It's a results game and he's simply not good enough.

Bull Army
01-02-2012, 14:44
Played a total of 136 PL games number of wins 26. Winning percetage 19.11. How is he a PL manger?

Even with us in the Prem, his win rate is only 23%. The QPR game will be his 100th Prem game with Wolves, making these kind of stats inevitable in the press next week.

Wulve5
01-02-2012, 14:44
19 wins in 122 and some want him to continue !

Danwolf
01-02-2012, 14:46
Many people rate Martinez as a manager but how many Prem games has he won?

Essex Wolf
01-02-2012, 14:49
Many people rate Martinez as a manager but how many Prem games has he won?

Fair point but firstly, and with respect, as Wolves fans why do we need to give a flying **** about what Martinez has or hasn't done at Wigan and secondly his record has no impact on Wolves performances.

gordonchas
01-02-2012, 15:21
Many people rate Martinez as a manager but how many Prem games has he won?

Played 77, W 17, D 20, L 40. For 77 Ag 151. Pts 71. Win % 22.0%

QB Wolf
01-02-2012, 15:23
Played a total of 136 PL games number of wins 26. Winning percetage 19.11. How is he a PL manger?

Who is this QB Wolf imposter?

Essex Wolf
01-02-2012, 15:31
Played 77, W 17, D 20, L 40. For 77 Ag 151. Pts 71. Win % 22.0%

Which whilst not great is still better than McCarthy.

QB Wolf
01-02-2012, 15:35
What are Wolves overall stats like in the top flight over the last 30 years?

Bull Army
01-02-2012, 15:43
Which whilst not great is still better than McCarthy.

Not with Wolves, although Mick's certainly taking his win % down rapidly.

BlakemoreWolf
01-02-2012, 15:52
Quite poor that is..but i still have confidence for him.

Hatch End
01-02-2012, 15:54
Very poor, I have no confidence in him!

Sandwell Wolf
01-02-2012, 15:56
Not with Wolves, although Mick's certainly taking his win % down rapidly.

I guarantee by May 2012 Mick's win % in the Premier League will have increased tremendously.

Keep the faith. :cool:

WalsallWolf
01-02-2012, 15:56
And yet people still believe in him.

Wulve5
01-02-2012, 16:24
Horrendous stats but hey it's all about continuity says bob the builder. Stick with him long enough and he will become the new mourinho.:)

OldWolvesfart
01-02-2012, 16:29
Originally Posted by wwfc9 who raised these stats first http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=1279384#post1279384)
Taken directly this morning from PL website:
Mick McCarthy premier league stats
P122
W19
D23
L80
Scored 107
Against 221
Points 80
Win % 16

Mick is now the proud holder of worst performance records in win % points gained and goals scored for any manager in a top European division



Those figures say it all and in 5 seasons in the premier league that's an average of 21 goals and 16 points a season so far.

wallace
01-02-2012, 16:31
lies, dam lies and statistics anyone?

Dougan was king
01-02-2012, 17:37
it sums him up should have gone months ago.keep him we go down sack him we have a chance.

Thank you Sir Jack
01-02-2012, 17:50
Does anyone thin that McCarthy actually believes that
a)he is a good manager, b)the victim of circumstances or c)of bad luck (having trodden on a black cat that crossed his path)

Bull Army
01-02-2012, 18:00
lies, dam lies and statistics anyone?

No, we're perennial relegation candidates, as MM has been in his PL management career. We're now in February and won 4 games all season, 2 of those came in the first two games. It's a dreadful run of form, we effectively gave ourselves a head start and still managed to find ourselves in the bottom 3 in January.

wwfc9
01-02-2012, 18:17
Managers like warnock , McCarthy and Mowbray are good championship managers but are found wanting in this league , bringing someone new in would give everyone a fresh start and new imputus , molineux is like a morgue these days and that will not change under Mick , the faith has gone bringing someone new in would lift the whole place have everyone pulling in the same direction , I'm sure having a vocal crowd again would give the players that xtra ten per cent .
We are doomed as things stand at the minute because everything is flat and stale in the stands and on the pitch , which will see us only go one way IMO .

Hoganstolemywife
01-02-2012, 18:21
Those aren't Mick's stats! Why are they constantly posted?!?

I actually do feel that we need a change, but I also feel that it's important to acknowledge just what a good job Mick has done here. Three successive survivals - however unlikey they appear at the moment - would be an excellent result in this modern era for a non-billionaire backed club.

I'm not happy about that fact - it's rather chilling actually - but that's the way it is in the modern game.

JOSWolf
01-02-2012, 18:24
Why is he still here Morgan?

Papper
01-02-2012, 18:26
We need 22 points from 16 games. Three from four teams for the drop and I wouldn't rule the Baggies out just yet either. They can do it.

wwfc9
01-02-2012, 18:30
Those aren't Mick's stats! Why are they constantly posted?!?

I actually do feel that we need a change, but I also feel that it's important to acknowledge just what a good job Mick has done here. Three successive survivals - however unlikey they appear at the moment - would be an excellent result in this modern era for a non-billionaire backed club.

I'm not happy about that fact - it's rather chilling actually - but that's the way it is in the modern game.

I think it's more the fact we actually possess some quite highly rated players who we don't seem to be getting the best out of what's more the problem , we are watching boring negative football , the first half against villa was the closest I've seen to our championship style of Play in 3 years of being in the prem .

JOSWolf
01-02-2012, 18:32
We need 22 points from 16 games. Three from four teams for the drop and I wouldn't rule the Baggies out just yet either. They can do it.

Who Baggies because we've got no chance! 2 wins in 21 league games. Where is this inspirational run going to come from because I cant see it?!

Hoganstolemywife
01-02-2012, 18:36
I can't see it being 40 points for survival this year as the 17th placed team has 4/5 points less than the 17th placed team did at this time last year.

I think 37 will do it but a lot, of course, depends upon how Bolton fare without Cahill, whether or not the sinking ship that is Blackburn keep their head above water for one last season and whether the QPR mercenaries will gel or do a West Ham.

adjuster
01-02-2012, 18:43
lies, dam lies and statistics anyone?

It's true that statistics don't always tell the whole picture but there comes a point when there is sufficient data (results) that it's impossible to reach any conclusion other than that the stats show the truth.

Regrettably there is now enough data to show that Mick is not up to the job and I think he knows it - he has said several times now that he got it wrong and how many times have we seen reasonable or even excellent first halves turned on their head with totally shambolic second half performances ?

He's due credit for his honesty and integrity and of course for getting us to the Premiership and nobody doubts that he is doing his best but his best is not good enough.

I woud love to see him prove me wrong but to do so he needs to turn that points per game figure from 0.655 to nearer 1.5 for the rest of the season and that's a huge call.

Hoganstolemywife
01-02-2012, 18:46
Mick's record with Wolves:

Played 99
Won 24
Drew 24
Lost 51
Goals For: 103
Goals Against: 169
Points: 96


Needs to improve over the next 15 games.