Ince requests support

[glasgowwolf]

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Those of you that are going let's try and give hime support if you do you never know he may just start scoring as he did last season.

[EasternWolf]

Glasgow .. given the unequal treatment of Leon's failures compared to those of Cort, Miller and Ganea, I suspect a little jealousy creeps in sometimes from locals.


God if I was Leon Clarke, playing for Wolves, I would have bloody gold boots and an attitude. I hope that players like Ince and Cams will help the lad mature into a good player. If it is left to the fans to freeze him out it will have been a waste of a good long-term and expensive investment in him by the club.... although many will claim that it was a waste of their money. The lesson is obvious; do as Ince says - get behind him and the team and move on.

[Essex Wolf]

Sensible words from Ince.

[Florida Wolfey]

Boooooooooo Ince.








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[scottishwolf II]

sensible words indeed. interesting that they are from ince and not hoddle.....

[Essex Wolf]

sensible words indeed. interesting that they are from ince and not hoddle.....


Are you saying what I think you are?

[Jim Bowen]

How about an apology from Leon to the family enclosure?

[yammer]

How about an apology from Leon to the family enclosure?


Agreed, if Clarke hopes to not get the boo's which he will have fully warranted he needs to make a public apology first.

[Del Woppio]

the boy definately needs to apologise. The club captain has acknowledged that Clarke was in the wrong, and Clarke needs to follow suit. It would aso be interesting to know whether the gesture was in relation to the rumour about him getting pished or the moans whenever he $$$$$$$s up.

[glasgowwolf]

here we go again....
Clarke has nothing to apologise for. The fans ought to apologise for giving him abuse in the league game V Plymouth for missing half chances.... not even proer chances half ones
For accusing him of drinking the night before a game.....

[Florida Wolfey]

Don't bother Glasgow....you'll never get through to the neanderthals. They've had their feelings hurt you see. smileys/smiley2.gif

[Del Woppio]

Old ground Glasgow. The boy has gotten off extremely lightly considering his disintrested and lacklustre performances this season. Has he been booed when his name is read out on the team sheet? no. has he been booed whenever he touches the ball? no. he has been groaned at, and in some cases, abused when he miscontrols/misses. Wolves fans can, in the main, forgive ineptitude as long as they see effort and commitment. After his gesture, it appears that the only thing Leon Clarke is commited to is himself.

[EasternWolf]

I give up Glasgow. I am disgusted with the ignorant attitude of fans, who in a moment of anger could be forgiven (almost) for booing a wolves player who had just scored, but who 2 days later do not have the intelligence to regret their own stupidity.


I will now be called sanctimonious by those who can spell it and carp by those who cant, i guess.


FANS ... my god you lot, just grow up and support your team

[Jim Bowen]

Who booed him then? Only one person has admitted to it, and he's not even posted on this thread. An apology to the kids in the family enclosure is the least he could do.

[glasgowwolf]

I was at Brighton he was booed in the warm up, he was abused walking off the pitch before kick off.
His name was booed by some when it was read out

[EasternWolf]

Old ground Glasgow. The boy has gotten off extremely lightly considering his disintrested and lacklustre performances this season. Has he been booed when his name is read out on the team sheet? no. has he been booed whenever he touches the ball? no. he has been groaned at, and in some cases, abused when he miscontrols/misses. Wolves fans can, in the main, forgive ineptitude as long as they see effort and commitment. After his gesture, it appears that the only thing Leon Clarke is commited to is himself.








as usual, you base your attitude and your disapproval on the facts? No ..on "it appears", in other words your own interpretation of smoeone else's state of mind.


Since when did wolves fans forgive ineptitude? Since when did wolves fans do anything other than maintain the "laughing stock" position in the plans of visiting managers. We dont play other teams for 90 minutes any more ... we play for 20 and then if we havent scored, the crowd takes over and does the job for the visitors. And dont say every set of fans is like this because that is not true

[AndyP]

Old ground Glasgow. The boy has gotten off extremely lightly considering his disintrested and lacklustre performances this season. Has he been booed when his name is read out on the team sheet? no. has he been booed whenever he touches the ball? no. he has been groaned at, and in some cases, abused when he miscontrols/misses. Wolves fans can, in the main, forgive ineptitude as long as they see effort and commitment. After his gesture, it appears that the only thing Leon Clarke is commited to is himself.











Spot On.


For instance Naylor hasabsolute howlers some games but commands the respect of the fans because he gives it 100%.


What's Leon Clarke ever given Wolves and what have Wolves given Leon Clarke. I can assure you there's no equilibrium there! We owe Clarke nothing and if he continues to show little to no effort then he doesnt deserve to wear the shirt. End of.


Also, I dont buy this "he's only a kid" bo11ox. He's 20 years old ffs!Edited by: AndyP

[Del Woppio]

that is well out of order, and there is perhaps some justification in Leons actions. However he should make an apology to those that have supported him during his 4 months worth of dreadful form.

[Jim Bowen]

I was at Brighton he was booed in the warm up, he was abused walking off the pitch before kick off. His name was booed by some when it was read out

You've even admitted to booing an individual player and you're now slagging off people who've said they hadn't booed him and are just dissapointed in the way he celebrated (expecially to the kids in the family enclosure). You're still missing the point 2-days on.

[glasgowwolf]

Old ground Glasgow. The boy has gotten off extremely lightly considering his disintrested and lacklustre performances this season. Has he been booed when his name is read out on the team sheet? no. has he been booed whenever he touches the ball? no. he has been groaned at, and in some cases, abused when he miscontrols/misses. Wolves fans can, in the main, forgive ineptitude as long as they see effort and commitment. After his gesture, it appears that the only thing Leon Clarke is commited to is himself.











Spot On.


For instance Naylor hasabsolute howlers some games but commands the respect of the fans because he gives it 100%.


What's Leon Clarke ever given Wolves and what have Wolves given Leon Clarke. I can assure you there's no equilibrium there! We owe Clarke nothing and if he continues to show little to no effort then he doesnt deserve to wear the shirt. End of.


Also, I dont buy this "he's only a kid" nuts. He's 20 years old ffs!





Ok Andy at what time does a player stop becoming a kid and become a seasoned proffessional, How many games before he stops learning his trade ?

[Essex Wolf]

It's a bit of a double edged sword situation as I see it.


Clarke has been getting some stick and not all of it deserved. He is clearly lacking confidence and the fans getting on his back will not help.


By and large I've stood by LC and certainly don't slate the lad but agree with those who have been critical of him lately as he has been very poor. That said booing and jeering him serves no positive purpose whatsoever and if that is what people class as support they obviously have a different idea of what it is than I do.


I don't agree with Clarke's actions but neither do I those of so called supporters jeering him.He is young and the pressure got to him. I would hope Ince's words will have helped so why can't the matter now be dropped and Clarke go onto better things.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Well Goldwolf that shows you that the issue is not closed just the thread re Clarke.smileys/smiley2.gif
Feelings are strong which is a pity when it would be in our interest to look at the more positive aspects of the game such as Davies, Ross and Ince for starters. Something to build on.
Something good could come out of this though if the management can work with Clarke on his shortcomings.

[Essex Wolf]

I recall LC coming on at Ipswich as a sub a few weeks back and a few around me were moaning as stepped onto the pitch. Fact he was played out wide left and actually done okay seemed to go straight over the heads of hose who loath him.


Yes he missed a sitter but so did Seol yet he doesn't get anywhere near he abuse Clarke does even though in some games he can't be bothered.smileys/smiley5.gif

[AndyP]

Ok Andy at what time does a player stop becoming a kid and become a seasoned proffessional, How many games before he stops learning his trade ?


He's an adult. Im roughly the same age as Clarke and if I showed that kind of petulance to the people who pay my wages after months of laziness I'd expect the sack!

[glasgowwolf]

I was at Brighton he was booed in the warm up, he was abused walking off the pitch before kick off. His name was booed by some when it was read out




You've even admitted to booing an individual player and you're now slagging off people who've said they hadn't booed him and are just dissapointed in the way he celebrated (expecially to the kids in the family enclosure). You're still missing the point 2-days on.


yes I booed an individual player and was wrong I admitted it. I would not have wanted an apology if he jumped in the crowd grabbed me and told me exactly what he thought.
The player I booed was a full International, recognised goal scorer, not a young player learning his trade already low on confidence.

[Essex Wolf]

Ok Andy at what time does a player stop becoming a kid and become a seasoned proffessional, How many games before he stops learning his trade ?


He's an adult. Im roughly the same age as Clarke and if I showed that kind of petulance to the people who pay my wages after months of laziness I'd expect the sack!





Thing is AndyP would your employers give you constant abuse of the nature LC has been getting?

[EasternWolf]

Old ground Glasgow. The boy has gotten off extremely lightly considering his disintrested and lacklustre performances this season. Has he been booed when his name is read out on the team sheet? no. has he been booed whenever he touches the ball? no. he has been groaned at, and in some cases, abused when he miscontrols/misses. Wolves fans can, in the main, forgive ineptitude as long as they see effort and commitment. After his gesture, it appears that the only thing Leon Clarke is commited to is himself.











Spot On.


For instance Naylor hasabsolute howlers some games but commands the respect of the fans because he gives it 100%.


What's Leon Clarke ever given Wolves and what have Wolves given Leon Clarke. I can assure you there's no equilibrium there! We owe Clarke nothing and if he continues to show little to no effort then he doesnt deserve to wear the shirt. End of.


Also, I dont buy this "he's only a kid" nuts. He's 20 years old ffs!





You really dont understand anything do you? Everything is down to "we owe" .. "we dont owe" .. In fact you and I just pay to watch a football match - good or bad. How can you say what has he given wolves? If the all managers since he arrived have given him a contract and have, in the words of hoddle, "decided to stick with him", they must recognise something worth persisting with. It is hardly as if clarke is the only player not performing this season, is it?


So 20 makes you old enough to take this pressure does it?

[yammer]

Why is someone a neanderthal if they boo? Didthey walk around booing each other all day?!


The dictionary defines boo as- A sound uttered to show contempt, scorn, or disapproval. Is it not fair to boo somebody whodisplays these verycharacteristics towards the club and supportersthat pay his wages?

[glasgowwolf]

Ok Andy at what time does a player stop becoming a kid and become a seasoned proffessional, How many games before he stops learning his trade ?


He's an adult. Im roughly the same age as Clarke and if I showed that kind of petulance to the people who pay my wages after months of laziness I'd expect the sack!
you may well be the same age as him. Football is not a normal profession, it is not a normal anything. Experience can and does make a huge difference.
Example I turn up a Slightly balding 40 year old centre forward with dodgy knees,on a sunday morning being marked by a sprightly 20 year old. The 20 year old was 15 yards faster than me over 16 yards, he was taking the p!$* and laughing about having it easy.
15 minutes later I had score 3 set up 2 when they moved him to midfield and put some old guy to mark me. I hardly got a chance after that. Just held the ball up bringing others into the game.
in Football terms as an outfield player 20 is a kid, they do not mature till 26- 28 2 years at the top of there game 28 - 30. then starts the decline.

[Goldwolf]

Well Goldwolf that shows you that the issue is not closed just the thread re Clarke.


There's nothing being said that hasn't already been said a dozen times before. I don't think either side will agree since they are both sure they are right and the other is wrong.


But if it makes you happy to keep highlighting the negative things, carry on. smileys/smiley2.gif

[yammer]

you may well be the same age as him. Football is not a normal profession, it is not a normal anything. Experience can and does make a huge difference.
Example I turn up a Slightly balding 40 year old centre forward with dodgy knees,on a sunday morning being marked by a sprightly 20 year old. The 20 year old was 15 yards faster than me over 16 yards, he was taking the p!$* and laughing about having it easy.
15 minutes later I had score 3 set up 2 when they moved him to midfield and put some old guy to mark me. I hardly got a chance after that. Just held the ball up bringing others into the game.
in Football terms as an outfield player 20 is a kid, they do not mature till 26- 28 2 years at the top of there game 28 - 30. then starts the decline.


You totally wrote all of that just to tell everyone you scored a hat-trick! smileys/smiley36.gifEdited by: yammer

[EasternWolf]

Yammer - you cant call yourself a supporter after this. And, by the way, you dont pay his wages. You simply buy a product called "a football match" - your choice by the way.

[glasgowwolf]

Yammer at my age you have to keep reminding everyone you used to have a life and be able to do something smileys/smiley2.gif

[yammer]

Yammer - you cant call yourself a supporter after this. And, by the way, you dont pay his wages. You simply buy a product called "a football match" - your choice by the way.


I can call myself whatever the $$$$$$$ i want. If nobodywent to watch Wolves there wouldn't be a Wolves - we pay his wages.

[basher]

Example I turn up a Slightly balding 40 year old centre forward with dodgy knees,on a sunday morning being marked by a sprightly 20 year old. The 20 year old was 15 yards faster than me over 16 yards, he was taking the p!$* and laughing about having it easy.
15 minutes later I had score 3 set up 2 when they moved him to midfield and put some old guy to mark me. I hardly got a chance after that.


You really are something special aren't you?

[yammer]

Example I turn up a Slightly balding 40 year old centre forward with dodgy knees,on a sunday morning being marked by a sprightly 20 year old. The 20 year old was 15 yards faster than me over 16 yards, he was taking the p!$* and laughing about having it easy.
15 minutes later I had score 3 set up 2 when they moved him to midfield and put some old guy to mark me. I hardly got a chance after that.


You really are something special aren't you?





"sign him up, sign him up!"

[basher]

in Football terms as an outfield player 20 is a kid, they do not mature till 26- 28 2 years at the top of there game 28 - 30. then starts the decline.


Fark me, I cant wait until Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney mature!!! England will be unbeatable!!

[glasgowwolf]

Yammer when I was younger I was not a bad player, ran a lot and always scored plenty of goals.... I was never quick enuff to get any higher then west mids / staffs county. Always suffered with knees since I tore cartlidge at 14 (was being watched by Walsall at the time).


Owen and Rooney are special very special I am talking normalplayers not world class whohitthe team and arethere straight away.
For every oneRooney,Owen, Keane, Ronaldo, Ronaldinio, there are dozens of normal players who take time to gain experience.
IMHO Rooney is the most complete player in the world. Ronaldinio is the best at the skill, and dribbling, etc, but Rooney is a more complete player. You never see Ronaldinio chasing back 40 yards to win a ball to help his full back Rooney does it. You cannot compare the worlds best with you normal professionals, we are not at the stage where we can get a world beater we have to remember that.

[goldeneyed]

Storm in a teacup. All I am interested in is will Clarke evolve as a player and start doing what he is paid to do - score. He has appeared to be very lazy much of the time and although being played out wide hasn't helped he should be busting a gut to make an impression on the boss and the fans. Little sign of this so far.


He has had plenty of opportunities now and at 20 is at a pivotal point in his career. He looks like a weak character to me and that is no good to us. But I hope he proves me wrong.Being booed, whether justly or unjustly is all part of the toughening up process. If he starts showing some real effort and skill the fans will soon get behind him. The question is does he have what it takes to be a successfulChampionship centre forward? So far it appears not.

[Flitwick Wolf]

Paul Butler was booed in a much more vindictive manner a few seasons back. What did he then do?


He worked his ass off, got back in to the team and became a major player in our promotion season. He certainly did not give it the big "I told you so" and "sshhing the crowd". He did it the proper the way.


Ince has spoken to him and I now hope Clarke takes it on board. But if he continues to miss sitters his treatment by the fans will now only worsen.

[wolfie smith]

Why is someone a neanderthal if they boo? Didthey walk around booing each other all day?!


The dictionary defines boo as- A sound uttered to show contempt, scorn, or disapproval. Is it not fair to boo somebody whodisplays these verycharacteristics towards the club and supportersthat pay his wages?





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booo wolves

[quirky_birky]

Paul Butler was booed in a much more vindictive manner a few seasons back. What did he then do?


He worked his ass off, got back in to the team and became a major player in our promotion season. He certainly did not give it the big "I told you so" and "sshhing the crowd". He did it the proper the way.


Ince has spoken to him and I now hope Clarke takes it on board. But if he continues to miss sitters his treatment by the fans will now only worsen.





True, but his game suffered when the boo-boys were on his back. Besides, Butler was a much more experienced player and better equipped to handle it. Paul Jones, a much older, much more experienced player, has had his game fall to pieces given the same treatment.

[kford wolf]

Paul Butler was booed in a much more vindictive manner a few seasons back. What did he then do?


He worked his ass off, got back in to the team and became a major player in our promotion season. He certainly did not give it the big "I told you so" and "sshhing the crowd". He did it the proper the way.


Ince has spoken to him and I now hope Clarke takes it on board. But if he continues to miss sitters his treatment by the fans will now only worsen.





True, but his game suffered when the boo-boys were on his back. Besides, Butler was a much more experienced player and better equipped to handle it. Paul Jones, a much older, much more experienced player, has had his game fall to pieces given the same treatment.





Nah, he was s!$* the first time round.... One penalty shoot out doesn't make a player.

[kford wolf]

Inotice the people who most actively defend Clarke are generallythe ones who are furthest away and rarely have to put up with his dire, lethargic performances.


I don't know you. But I suggest you have forgotten what its like to go to matches week in week out and watch the same player not giving a stuff for 90 minutes at a time.

[Goldwolf]

Inotice the people who most actively defend Clarke are generallythe ones who are furthest away and rarely have to put up with his dire, lethargic performances.


I don't know you. But I suggest you have forgotten what its like to go to matches week in week out and watch the same player not giving a stuff for 90 minutes at a time.


Not everyone.


You don't have to think Clarke is a good player to think that booing one of your own players during a game is not helpful.Edited by: Goldwolf

[Cosmo Kramer]

sensible words indeed. interesting that they are from ince and not hoddle.....





interesting how many wolves fans do not have the nounce to read vast interne news pages as they would see hoddle has spoken in the very same terms as ince inpost match and subsequent interviews





try newsnow very informative smileys/smiley2.gif

[welshwolf]

Who booed him then? Only one person has admitted to it, and he's not even posted on this thread. An apology to the kids in the family enclosure is the least he could do.




We sit in a football stadium which by it's very nature is partisan with all sorts of aggresive banter and insults flying around and you want someone to apologise for saying schhh th the kids


I've got kids and I tell them to schhh every now and again, they are used to it and very resilient. I don't take my kids to the football as they are too young for the language fling around.


he did wrong and that has been acknowledged by the captain and the manager. If he is big enough to apolgise good on him. If he doesn't so what no ones died.


butIf he wants to cement a team place at Wolves he needs to raise his game and let his golden boots do the talking. if not then get rid.


wether he stays or not should be a footballing decision only

[wolf of sedgley]

For accusing him of drinking the night before a game.....



Which he did.

[quirky_birky]

Inotice the people who most actively defend Clarke are generallythe ones who are furthest away and rarely have to put up with his dire, lethargic performances.


I don't know you. But I suggest you have forgotten what its like to go to matches week in week out and watch the same player not giving a stuff for 90 minutes at a time.





I don't know if that was aimed at me, but I do have a season ticket and I was there on Saturday. I'm not saying that Clarke should not be a target for criticism - he frustrates me at times - but booing a player, irrespective of how he's playing on the day, does not help matters. Clarke does look a bit lethargic at times, and does seem to think twice before throwing himself in where it hurts to get on the end of crosses, but with the right coaching and motivation, he could be a useful member of the squad.

[Jim Bowen]

Who booed him then? Only one person has admitted to it, and he's not even posted on this thread. An apology to the kids in the family enclosure is the least he could do.


We sit in a football stadium which by it's very nature is partisan with all sorts of aggresive banter and insults flying around and you want someone to apologise for saying schhh th the kids[/

So it was a kid that phoned up and said they'd seen him out drinking, it was the kids that sarcasticly cheered him off against Plymouth last week? Sorry, my mistake.

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

here we go again....
Clarke has nothing to apologise for. The fans ought to apologise for giving him abuse in the league game V Plymouth for missing half chances.... not even proer chances half ones
For accusing him of drinking the night before a game.....


why should we apologise to him ? we pay the money to watch him miss chance after chance after chance i wasnt at the plymouth game i decided to stay away but i was defending clarke when i went to the cov game.


simple example if you pay a certain amount of cash to go to the opera and its kak you dont go again.


if you buy a season ticket and players are putting in inept performances in like clarke has been doing missing hat full's of chances what are supporters to do ? boo ? sit there like lemons and clap a crap pass or do something else ?

[welshwolf]

Who booed him then? Only one person has admitted to it, and he's not even posted on this thread. An apology to the kids in the family enclosure is the least he could do.



We sit in a football stadium which by it's very nature is partisan with all sorts of aggresive banter and insults flying around and you want someone to apologise for saying schhh th the kids[/




So it was a kid that phoned up and said they'd seen him out drinking, it was the kids that sarcasticly cheered him off against Plymouth last week? Sorry, my mistake.


sorry Jim I only thought he said schh, I didn't realise he must have jumped into the enclosure and started whacking the kids around the swede which judging to the strength of your reaction is what he must have done.


I am not saying he wasn't in the wrong I am saying you have grossly overreacted, I am sure must of the kids have got over it and got on with their lives now, do the same Jim

[Jim Bowen]

Who booed him then? Only one person has admitted to it, and he's not even posted on this thread. An apology to the kids in the family enclosure is the least he could do.


We sit in a football stadium which by it's very nature is partisan with all sorts of aggresive banter and insults flying around and you want someone to apologise for saying schhh th the kids[/


So it was a kid that phoned up and said they'd seen him out drinking, it was the kids that sarcasticly cheered him off against Plymouth last week? Sorry, my mistake.


sorry Jim I only thought he said schh, I didn't realise he must have jumped into the enclosure and started whacking the kids around the swede which judging to the strength of your reaction is what he must have done.


I am not saying he wasn't in the wrong I am saying you have grossly overreacted, I am sure must of the kids have got over it and got on with their lives now, do the same Jim

My reaction? saying he should apologise? I haven't asked him to donate an organ to them or anything.

I'm not really too bothered, I just thought a simple, quick apology might help heal the obvious rift with a few fans.

[Ralphdog]

I have decided to call myself "God" so please read the following!


1. I'll tell everyone whether or not they are a "propper Wolves fan".


2. I'll say which players, if any, are allowed to be booed.


3. I'll decide who is playing well.


4. I'll decide who is / is nottrying.


5. I'll tell you what your opinion should be.


Woooops. Seems a few people have already beat me to it.