Is the term Gypo Racist...........?

[Markwolf]

There was a bust up behind me due to one guy giving their # 3 the old Gypo chant. The rather poshly spoken bloke behind me turned round and had a go, saying it was a racist and insulting every player on the pitch, and he was going to report him to the stewards - The bloke replied "FFS, its a football match"! Got very heated, and the offended mans son was telling his dad to shut up. He did not re-appear in the second half. Is it offensive? Its always been chanted to anyone in a hair/headband as a tradition as far as im concerned, and certainly not racist! Thoughts?

[Essex Wolf]

It's a term that has been sung at Molineux for many years now and I've never seen or heard of anyone getting upset about it but in theory it is racist.


Problem is that real Gypsy's, at least those I know,are not bad people and this sort of chant is an insult towards them.


With no racist comment meant here but I believe when people start talking about Gypo's as suchthey often really mean the tinker, pikey, didicoy type and not real Gypsy's at all.

[Hod's 80s perm]

Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried

[wolf of sedgley]

What a silly billy - it wouldn't suprise me if it was one of the left wing liberal pant wetters off here.

[Markwolf]

Thats what i was thinking! smileys/smiley1.gif

[Space Wolf]

I've heard this nearly everytime there is a long haired player on the
opposition team. Along with where's your caravan? Etc. I don't have a
problem with it.



I suppose it's not the nicest thing to say but if you don't want to
hear those kind of comments then a football game probably isn't the
place to go.

[Essex Wolf]

Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried





I believe you mean the Marmite motorway.

[Hod's 80s perm]

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Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried





I believe you mean the Marmite motorway.





or Bournville boulevardsmileys/smiley9.gif

[Essex Wolf]

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Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried





I believe you mean the Marmite motorway.





or Bournville boulevardsmileys/smiley9.gif





Or the dung funnel.smileys/smiley1.gif

[wolf of sedgley]

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Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried





I believe you mean the Marmite motorway.





or Bournville boulevardsmileys/smiley9.gif





Or the dung funnel.smileys/smiley1.gif



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[whitemouse75]

dung funnel!!!smileys/smiley36.gifsmileys/smiley36.gif

[Hereford Wolf]

So..I think the answer is yes...

[GoldenHorseshoe]

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Who caressmileys/smiley11.gif


The bloke who got offendedhas probably been taking it up the chocolate speedway from his long haired boyfried





I believe you mean the Marmite motorway.





or Bournville boulevardsmileys/smiley9.gif





Or the dung funnel.smileys/smiley1.gif



More school boy humour.

I bet at least one of you lot asked the science teacher if he'd ever seen the rings around Uranussmileys/smiley17.gif



By the way there's an old geezer on Canadian TV infomercial commenting if you bought a competetors juicer you'd be "Gypped"smileys/smiley5.gif

Edited by: GoldenHorseshoe

[Zigzag Wanderer]

. He did not re-appear in the second half. ?


Was he substituted?


Don't worry, it was only racist to the Nazis, who exterminated 500,00 of them, so you & yours could livean existence free from door-stepping by dodgy peg & heather salespersons.

[Hatch End Wolf]

I agree, we should stop using the word Gypo and be more politically correct. Perhaps we should say "persons alleged to be of the non-taxpaying, crap driveway laying, illegal encampment, rubbish strewingcommunity".


Instead of "where's your caravan", how about, "where's your top of the range four wheel drive vehicle and luxury mobile home?"

[Hereford Wolf]

I agree, we should stop using the word Gypo and be more politically correct. Perhaps we should say "persons alleged to be of the non-taxpaying, crap driveway laying, illegal encampment, rubbish strewingcommunity".


Instead of "where's your caravan", how about, "where's your top of the range four wheel drive vehicle and luxury mobile home?"





I work in Herefordshire.


The above comment is typical of what I have to put up with everyday.


Obviously it is just racist nonsense of the kind spouted by the BNP, but unfortunately we all know what it can lead to.


It makes me very sad that the lessons of race hatred never seem to be learnt.

[Molineuxmessiah]

Not remotely racist. Get a grip. The song is not used as an insult to gypsies, but an insult to the blokes haircut FFS


Gypsies are gypsies, how is actually using the term racist??


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[dazmanwolf]

I'm sure he'd have been more offended if you'd have punched him.


At least he left the game at half-time!


They can't take away our gypo chants too can they?


We have already lost xmas to the muslims!smileys/smiley36.gif

[The Bear]

Well in the Bottom Complete Series DVD they actually dubbed over the
words "thieving Gypo" as "thieving yobbo", so obviously the BBC thinks
it is offensive.



I don't though and heartily joined in the Gypo chants yesterday.

[wolf of sedgley]

Well in the Bottom Complete Series DVD they actually dubbed over the
words "thieving Gypo" as "thieving yobbo", so obviously the BBC thinks
it is offensive.








The BBC is run by left wing nutters though!

[Space Wolf]

Well in the Bottom Complete Series DVD they actually dubbed over the
words "thieving Gypo" as "thieving yobbo", so obviously the BBC thinks
it is offensive.



I don't though and heartily joined in the Gypo chants yesterday.






What episode was that?

[The Bear]

Apocalypse (Series 1). Richie gets his wallet swiped at the fairground.



Funnily enough the audio and the subtitles say yobbos, yet the chapter title is called Thieving Gyppos!

[SOA Wolf]

The answer to the question is yes...but for goodness sake, how many gypsies is that likely to offend? All the ones at the match, the ones watching on TV? Even so, what was the remark meant to mean you've got long hair....in a gypsy style.....PCism taken too far....should have told the bloke to get a life if that is the most he has to worry about. Or was he a gypsy?

[IMAB]

There was a bust up behind me due to one guy giving their # 3 the old Gypo chant. The rather poshly spoken bloke behind me turned round and had a go, saying it was a racist and insulting every player on the pitch, and he was going to report him to the stewards -


Where do you sit?

[Markwolf]

Bottom of the NB NL1

[Papa]

There was a bust up behind me due to one guy giving their # 3 the old Gypo chant. The rather poshly spoken bloke behind me turned round and had a go, saying it was a racist and insulting every player on the pitch, and he was going to report him to the stewards -


Where do you sit?





He's in the dugout.

[Markwolf]

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[HazelGroveWolf]

I rememberthe cringeworthy chanting at the Old Trafford Test Match in the summer directed at Jason Gillespie. No doubt the same people find racist comment perfectly acceptable in the confines of their local or their other immediate environment. Unacceptable behaviour in my book.

[IMAB]

Unacceptable behaviour in my book.


What is?


Gillespies haircut?

[Papa]

I rememberthe cringeworthy chanting at the Old Trafford Test Match in the summer directed at Jason Gillespie. No doubt the same people find racist comment perfectly acceptable in the confines of their local or their other immediate environment. Unacceptable behaviour in my book.


That's nothing, apparently at Edgbaston they called Shane Warne a fat poof.

[markb]

It's a term that has been sung at Molineux for many years now and I've never seen or heard of anyone getting upset about it but in theory it is racist.





If it is racist, & I bow to your professional knowledge on the matter, then the bloke was right to complain. Whether it'sbeen sung for years is irrelvant, or would you support the return of monkey noises on the basis they were made for a long time?

[EasternWolf]

The term Gypo is certainly racist. The word Gypsy is not. If some of you cant see the difference in meaning between the two then you are even more ignorant than i give you credit for. The FA has tried very hard to stamp out racism in football, but it is obviously alive and well with most of you.


I applaud the guy who was annoyed by it.It takes courage to face such an ignorant bunch of cowards.


I am surprised at you Essex in your position for trying to court popularity with these people. I understand you are a serving police officer after all.


No, I am not a gypsy.


If you are actually referring to what are referred to politely as "travelling folk" then it is highly unlikely these are gypsies.

[IMAB]

EW. If I was to make monkey noises at Alan Smith everytime he touched the ball would it be racist?


Gypo is chanted at all long haired scruffy players, because they are long haired and scruffy not because they are Romanies (sp).


Or are you maintaining that by saying that, we make a stereotypical discriminatory view that gypsies are scruffy?


If so, I hope you despise people singing sign on at Scousers.

[EasternWolf]

I know what you are saying IMAB. I agree that we could say the same thing about Geordies, Cockneys, Brummies and so on, but there are two points I would make. The first is that the people with whom the comparison is made are not Gypsies or Romanies, they are "travellers", so there is a mistaken identidy here. It is therefore the same as calling Paul Ince a "Paki" (no insult meant to any Pakistanis or Black people). The second point is that the term scouser or geordie, etc, is often a term of affection (or was originally), whereas the term "gypo" was always and still is an insult.


Anyone who had family members die at Dakau would probably be annoyed with this type of racism. If those who do it, do so because they are members of the BNP or some other right wing organisation, then, strangely perhaps, it is not as bad as those whowould call themselves more moderate doing it. At least the former already know the are extreme and offensive to most people. The worst thing is that people do this and still regard themselves as moderate. They are deluding themselves.

[Dr Magnox]

What a load of rubbish.

[IMAB]

Sorry I didn't make myself clear.
I meant that do you think signing " sign on" at scousers is unacceptable behaviour as it assumes all scousers are workshy lazy people on the dole, and that Liverpool is a dump with no prospects.
As I think this is a direct comparison to calling someone a gypo for being scruffy.

[basher]

Does anybody know if Boris Johnson is a member of this board??

[EasternWolf]

I will ignore That c*!$! Dr. Magnox.


OK IMAB I get your point now. Errr no, because it is probably true of scousers dont you think!!!smileys/smiley2.gif

[Dr Magnox]

I will ignore That c*!$! Dr. Magnox






Ignore it all you like mate. If you think calling a footballer who
clearly isn't a gypsy a gyppo is any different to singing sign on to
the mickeys then fair play that's your right but don't take the moral
high ground and claim that anyone who disagrees with you is deluded.

[EasternWolf]

No Magnox, disagreeing with me does not make you deluded by any means. Dont blame me in any way whatsoever for the fact that you are.


It think it was clear to IMAB that my previous post was not overly serious (about Scousers).


I dont claim any moral high ground either. I find it revealing that you think thatI was actually on any. Why is that? Do you recognise it as such? I thought you were claiming quite the opposite about my opinion. From the way most people have argued on here I would have thought thatall of those taking theopposite view were claiming some kind of racialsuperiority. I was just voicing my disgust and I can do that without trying to claim anything other than my opinion.


Why not keep right along with the majority Magnox. Its easier for you. You dont have to think then.

[Dr Magnox]

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Take your head out of your $$$$

[EasternWolf]

You silly man.

[Dr Magnox]

Ok mate.



If some of you cant see the difference in meaning between the two then you are even more ignorant than i give you credit for



It takes courage to face such an ignorant bunch of cowards.



They are deluding themselves.




Edited by: Dr Magnox

[In Hod We Trust]

To be fair its tongue'n'cheek stuff and should be treated as such....

[Shergar]

The nuts/moral papsome people are prepared to spout, eh?


I remember George Best being called a gypo when he played for Fulham, even De Wolf for Wolves...if only I'd known then that it was racistsmileys/smiley9.gifI could have seen the end of the world coming.

[EasternWolf]

Because it was George Best it somehow makes it acceptable does it?


It certainly isnt moral pap and whether its nuts or not is a matter of opinion. Shergar there is a thread about favourite crisps somewhere why not try it?

[Shergar]

Just for you, may I be the first to wish you a Happy ChriXXXX Winterval.


On the 12th day of the Eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me:



<UL>
<LI>TWELVE males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming.



<LI>ELEVEN pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in good standing of the Musicians Equity Union as called for in their union contract even though they will not be asked to play a note...)



<LI>TEN melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling class system leaping,



<LI>NINE persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,



<LI>EIGHT economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from enslaved Bovine-Europeans,



<LI>SEVEN endangered swans swimming on protected wetlands,



<LI>SIX enslaved fowl-Europeans producing stolen nonhuman animal products,



<LI>FIVE golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration,


NOTE: after member of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red paint at my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been reintroduced to their native habitat. To avoid further animal-European enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.



<LI>FOUR hours of recorded whale songs,



<LI>THREE deconstructionist poets,



<LI>TWO Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses



<LI>And an Animal Rights activist chained to an old-growth pear tree. </LI>[/list]

[Zigzag Wanderer]

I remember George Best being called a gypo when he played for Fulham, even De Wolf for Wolves...if only I'd known then that it was racistsmileys/smiley9.gifI could have seen the end of the world coming.





It's precisely the fact that the person being ridiculed is clearly not a gypsy(or some sort of jungle tree-dweller)-but a footballer earning thousands of pounds a week-that the full extent of the offence intended, whether blatantly or sub-consciously, becomes clear. Unless the person hurling the jibe considers it, on whatever level, to be a detrimental comparison, it would be a pointless exercise. It is the inherent distrust, hatred, condescension &amp;feeling of (race) superiority that gives the insult its force &amp; partially hidden malevolence. It's such sloppy stereotyping formed by centuries-old race memories &amp; prejudices &amp; unquestioning acquiescence, that helped create the climate in which nazism was able to thrive in 1920s &amp; 30s Germany. Because the gypsies were considered to be less than human, their extermination was barely questioned.


A word is just a word. Its context is all. If Richard Pryor calls himself a n*****, he defuses it &amp; throws it back at his (historical) oppressors. If we call him a n*****, it is clearly not meant as a term of endearment, but as a term of insolent &amp; disparaging hatred.

[Papa]

It's such sloppy stereotyping formed by centuries-old race memories &amp; prejudices &amp; unquestioning acquiescence, that helped create the climate in which nazism was able to thrive in 1920s &amp; 30s Germany. Because the gypsies were considered to be less than human, their extermination was barely questioned.


Nazi philosphy was that everybody non-aryan,queerordisabledwas less than human. It is this belief that blood lines are pure and certain blood lines are better than other's. Believe it or not this is not the sole preserve of extremist White Anglo Saxon Protestants because race mixing is frowned upon by many other creeds, religions and races and extermination on the grounds of prejudice is alive and well and often ignored.


A word is just a word. Its context is all. If Richard Pryor calls himself a n*****, he defuses it &amp; throws it back at his (historical) oppressors. If we call him a n*****, it is clearly not meant as a term of endearment, but as a term of insolent &amp; disparaging hatred.





If i didnt like a black person and i wanted to offend them i would call them a 'N' because it's easy. Not because i feel i am racially superior but because i know it would offend them andwind them up using that word.Edited by: Papa

[Jack Bauer]

I $$$$in hate pikeys.

[EasternWolf]

Just for you, may I be the first to wish you a Happy ChriXXXX Winterval.


On the 12th day of the Eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my potential-acquaintance-rape-survivor gave to me:



<UL>
<LI>TWELVE males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming.



<LI>ELEVEN pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in good standing of the Musicians Equity Union as called for in their union contract even though they will not be asked to play a note...)



<LI>TEN melanin-deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling class system leaping,



<LI>NINE persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,



<LI>EIGHT economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from enslaved Bovine-Europeans,



<LI>SEVEN endangered swans swimming on protected wetlands,



<LI>SIX enslaved fowl-Europeans producing stolen nonhuman animal products,



<LI>FIVE golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration,


NOTE: after member of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red paint at my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been reintroduced to their native habitat. To avoid further animal-European enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.



<LI>FOUR hours of recorded whale songs,



<LI>THREE deconstructionist poets,



<LI>TWO Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses



<LI>And an Animal Rights activist chained to an old-growth pear tree. </LI>[/list]





aaahhh that was really thoughtful. Thank you so much.

[Zigzag Wanderer]

Nazi philosphy was that everybody non-aryan,queerordisabledwas less than human. It is this belief that blood lines are pure and certain blood lines are better than other's. Believe it or not this is not the sole preserve of extremist White Anglo Saxon Protestants because race mixing is frowned upon by many other creeds, religions and races and extermination on the grounds of prejudice is alive and well and often ignored.


Absolutely. Genocide in Kampuchea, slavery still practised in Africa, caste system in India, internecine Muslim atrocities. But all repellant &amp; inexcusable. One instance of racism does not justify or excuse another.


If i didnt like a black person and i wanted to offend them i would call them a 'N' because it's easy. Not because i feel i am racially superior but because i know it would offend them andwind them up using that word.


I'm still trying to get my head around this one. I think you'd offend more than just the individual you 'didn't like'. If you're only trying to wind him up because of a personal non-racist dislike, why do it by a specific reference to skin colour &amp; not actual personality traits or offensive behaviour?

[Papa]

I'm still trying to get my head around this one. I think you'd offend more than just the individual you 'didn't like'. If you're only trying to wind him up because of a personal non-racist dislike, why do it by a specific reference to skin colour &amp; not actual personality traits or offensive behaviour?





Think your right. Probably better just to ignore somebody however insulting they are. Two wrongs dont make a right.