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the manager who continualy reverts to his prefered midfiled rolling style over 4 4 2 which when played has worked better?
or
the players just not good enough to follow through what the manager is doing on the training ground on match day?
Is Kennedy better on his left foot or roaming the filed leaving the left side wide open infront of Naylor( not scored for 62 games now )
Essex Wolf
26-11-2005, 15:19
Both apply as far as I'm concerned.
A combination of the two in my opinion. Hoddle is either incapable/too
stubborn to see the problems in the team created by himself, and
refuses to change them.
After the first few months of abysmal football I wasn't a great fan of
Hoddle, but towards the end of last season, especially the last few
games playing the diamond, he'd started to win me around, so why has he
had to go and change it? Last season it was working, he's meddled, and
now its not, and theres no sign of him changing it back. The sign of a
poor manager.
As for Kennedy, he's too slow to play out left these days, so centrally
is his best position, which would be fine if we could replace him with
someone out wide.
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-11-2005, 15:22
I am afraid to say unfortunately the problem lies with Hoddle. I have
been a supporter of his but his negativity outweighs the talents he has
as a coach. He has no focus, no cutting edge, no bottle and this is
reflected in his players. Either Glenn has to realise these points,
accept them and show he has the balls to do what is necessary and lead
from the front. Ruthless and purpoise of mind will win over all the
fancy stuff he seems more prone to push to the forefront.
Basically in this case I think Hoddle needs a Director of Football to
take over that side and leave him to concentrate on what he is good at.
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-11-2005, 15:24
Woolfan I was typing my post before yours came up or I could have simply said I agree with you.smileys/smiley4.gif
MobNet Wolf
26-11-2005, 15:25
you could say that the problem is missing miller and cort.
Despite playing poorly, with Kenny and Carl upfront, we may well have
won the last 2 games, and things would be looking very good indeed.
I dont think things are as bad as people think, we wont make Automatic,
but to be honest, I think we are certainties for the PlayOffs.
Watched the game today and I was disgusted, what a shambolic performance. If this is the best we can offer relegation is a more likely scenario than promotion.
I know we have alot of players out injured but we donot have any strength in depth, there were players who played today should be disgusted with themselves.A few tried, but on this performancewe were carp. If Kennedy is to play he has to play wide on the left and we should return to a 4 4 2 formation.
I still think Ndah will get more yellow cards than goals.
Essex Wolf
26-11-2005, 15:27
Maybe a lot of the problem is down to the fact so many of our better midfield players are out injured, Ince, Ricketts, Davies whilst those available are just not up to it.
Anderton was woeful today, Kennedy busy but totally ineffective and IMHO out of place.Seol should have started the game and just maybe it's time to give Seyi another go?
Woolfan I was typing my post before yours came up or I could have simply said I agree with you.smileys/smiley4.gif
Someone agreeing with me, I'll frame this post and put it on the wall! smileys/smiley2.gif
Norwegian Wolf
26-11-2005, 15:31
Wolfan - and another, every word
I dont think things are as bad as people think, we wont make Automatic,
but to be honest, I think we are certainties for the PlayOffs.
Why? Why do people keep coming up with this? We aren't in the play-offs
now, there's teams above us with games in hand, our form has got us
falling down the table, since Hoddle has been here there's been no sign
that any drastic improvement (which is what is needed) will happen, so
why are we certainties? The only thing that looks like certainly
happening is another season of mid-table nothingness.
Essex Wolf
26-11-2005, 15:38
Mobnet, making the PO's is not gauranteed at all mate and a few more performances like the last 2 home games will see us lagging further and further behind the PO zone.
MobNet Wolf
26-11-2005, 23:05
of course not guarantees, just think for all the negativity, im pretty sure we will still make them.
4 clean sheets in a row, still only a point off 6th place, despite a shocking October, things could be a lot worse.
4 clean sheets in a row, still only a point off 6th place, despite a shocking October, things could be a lot worse.
Only a shocking October? What about September and August? They were every bit as shocking and the fact that we're still in the play-off picture is onlyindicative of how shambolically poor the standard of football is in this league.
Looking at November, we robbed a point from Brighton. Had poor halves
against Norwich and Derby who were shocking themselves, and then
couldn't nor indeed even looked like finding the net against either
Sheffield or Southampton. Add that to a poor September and October, and
thats 3 months running that we've struggled in. Even more telling is
that we've only won 4 times in those 3 months, all against sides who
were seriously crap on the day.
Purple Ronnie
27-11-2005, 00:24
and we are behind stoke who have already lost 10 times. we are turning into the draw specialist again
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-11-2005, 10:18
I dont think things are as bad as people think, we wont make Automatic,
but to be honest, I think we are certainties for the PlayOffs.
Why? Why do people keep coming up with this? We aren't in the play-offs
now, there's teams above us with games in hand, our form has got us
falling down the table, since Hoddle has been here there's been no sign
that any drastic improvement (which is what is needed) will happen, so
why are we certainties? The only thing that looks like certainly
happening is another season of mid-table nothingness.
Unfortunately I think the Board and the Management have this attitude
which is why they are all so okay with what is going on. Oh for someone
to come in with a sense of reality to shake things up. We aint going to
get anything unless we work for it and that means being focused, being
clinical and hurting the opposition.
Hatch End Wolf
27-11-2005, 10:49
Hodgod wants his team to play high class football........ Unfortunately this requires a high level of skill and intelligence ( in a football sense of course! ). He needs players in all positions who can control the ball, not lose it easily, pass accurately, make space to receive passes and shoot in more than the vague direction of goal at regular intervals.
He doesn't have that, and much as I admire his ideas, in theory, his present squad are totally incapable of playing his way. Also, apart from Huddlestone, he hasn't bought anyone into the team who can play his style of football and he's only on loan!
At the moment Wolves are falling between two stools. The players don't have the ability to play Hod's way and he won't change to allow them to play within their abilities. So, either hehas tocome clean, admit that it will take time to build a real footballing side and is prepared to stay for the long term ( would he be allowed to do so? ); or, use the players he has got to play Championship style football, like the rest of the division.
Wolves have gone a whole year since Jonesey left and apart from the building of a training facility nothing has improved. With the exception of a few magic moments, in even fewer games, this season has been a dismal experience. Despite being in the top half of the table gates are down, home games are mostly boring and fans are getting more and more frustrated.
Fans will support a club that is not top of the table if they are given hope of improvement.After all,Wolves supporters turned up in great numbers, for endless years in the "Division from hell", evenwhen therewaslittle success on the field. But they won't turn up to be consistantly bored and they won't turn up if they feel that the club owners, officials, management and players don't care.
Whatever, new players or new tactics, something has to change or this club will end up like Forest ( probably with a ginger manager as well! ).
Wombourne Wolf
27-11-2005, 11:00
Most teams would be alot worse off than ourselves at this point if they had lost:
<UL>
<LI>Kenny Miller</LI>
<LI>Carl Cort</LI>
<LI>Rohan Ricketts</LI>
<LI>Jackie McNamara</LI>
<LI>Paul Ince</LI>
<LI>Matt Murray</LI>[/list]
Although we are struggling of late, the 6 players currently out injured would walk into our first XI. Glenn does share the blame for not having enough strength in depth, but things arent that bad with 5 out of the 6 due back around xmas time.
This is a complete myth regarding the injury 'crisis', yes we've got a
few key players out, but to make out like it is the root of the problem, or that we'll come good
is avoiding the real issues altogether. Of those, before he got injured
Ince was looking very slow and will undoubtedly be worse when/if he
comes back. It will be nearly 3 years by the time Murray ever plays a
run of games again, so hardly someone you can pin your hopes on.
As for the other four, Miller and Cort were both playing throughout
September, when our form was woeful, partly because they can't play
together anyway, the defence has hardly gone to pieces since McNamara
was injured, most people praise it every week, and as for Ricketts, I
wouldn't pick him if he were fit as the last thing we need is another
lightweight midfielder who regularly goes missing in games.
With the exception of one better striker up front (whatever your
combination might be), the team that we put out yesterday or in recent
weeks would have been no better than when most of those players are
back. Apparently Vio was going to be the mighty saviour who would turn
our form around when he returned from injury, but for some reason we
still have the same problems with him having made little impact.
Edited by: wolfan
goldeneyed
27-11-2005, 11:17
The changes in formation don't help and ashas been said we don't really possess the players to put into play Hoddle's vision.
If Hoddle had any sense he would keep things much simpler, get a couple of players out wide on either flank who had pace and could beat their man, and cross and get a little and large partnership going up front(Dougan/Richards Mark 2). Cort and Miller could do it if they played off each other rather than Cort/Clarke going out on the wing and Kennedy/Ganea going into the centre and failing to reach high balls as they are muscled out of it by taller defenders.
Seol is best played just behind the two strikers. This would produce many more goals and as long as we had astrong defensive midfielder sitting in behind Seol the defence shouldn't be too exposed. Certainly we should try this formation at home and perhaps put in another defensive midfielder away from home with one of the wide men being sacrificed.
Of couse we would have to find the wide men but Andy Reid on loan would do for starters and perhaps the likes of Gobern/Cornes could be given a chance or even N'Dah at a push. Kennedy just doesn't have the pace any more. We could also consider giving Naylor a more attacking role on the left flank and bring in another left back. Why not?
None of this is rocket science and in my view would massively improve our goalscoring potential. We might lose a few but we would start winning matches, perhaps even in style.
The Bear
27-11-2005, 13:32
At the minute our big problem (for me anyway) is that we are missing a
player who can link the midfield to the attack effectively like Kenny
Miller has when he's played this season.
Clarke did this pretty well when he came on, George did it fairly well
vs Derby, but Ganea will never do it IMO. Using Seol just behind the
front two is the best option at the moment that I can see.
Norwegian Wolf
27-11-2005, 13:41
No one is breaking through from midfield and none of the strikers is picking the ball up deep to turn and run at defenders, hence the need for the link man behind the front two. Seol can do it, as can Miller who did it well for us when he was on loan.
There is not much point playing four in midfield if neither of the two wide players has any pace or can get to the by-line. Seol isour best outlet for something different and that is whatyou need to break down defences.Some of his efforts are pathetic, but he does get it right more thantheothers do.
dazmanwolf
27-11-2005, 16:56
Every team we play is assessed before the game!
Formations will be changed to adapt to counter the teams!
If we stay at one formation we have no need for a manager!
Hoddle knows his stuff, he just needs the talent to fulfill it on the pitch!
Kris Kringle
27-11-2005, 17:01
Every team we play is assessed before the game!
Formations will be changed to adapt to counter the teams!
If we stay at one formation we have no need for a manager!
Hoddle knows his stuff, he just needs the talent to fulfill it on the pitch!
What a crock of s!$*!
Essex Wolf
27-11-2005, 19:12
Every team we play is assessed before the game!
Formations will be changed to adapt to counter the teams!
If we stay at one formation we have no need for a manager!
Hoddle knows his stuff, he just needs the talent to fulfill it on the pitch!
I'm of the view that failure this season will see GH gone before next season starts anyway so any success he is to achieve needs to take place soon.
Every team we play is assessed before the game!
Formations will be changed to adapt to counter the teams!
If we stay at one formation we have no need for a manager!
Hoddle knows his stuff, he just needs the talent to fulfill it on the pitch!
I'm of the view that failure this season will see GH gone before
next season starts anyway so any success he is to achieve needs to take
place soon.
If wolves dont go up this season GH will go. He's on silly money,so unless they pump it up, he'll be on his way. I
would have liked Redknapp, but he is southern based, and not doing a
great job at Southampton (off the pitch issues,heart not in it)
and I feel this board is not the board for Redknapp.
It won't look good on hoddles CV if he fails promotion, so he'll go.
Edited by: 1wolves
Long Ball Man
28-11-2005, 12:17
Its not rocket science.
Wolves are playing a style of football not best suited to the division they are in. When they play well it looks wonderful and everyone can't understand why they don't perform a la Stoke and Derby away games every week. Well I do. The 'margin of error' within our game is massive compared with a straightforward 442 long ball approach. To play well we need most of our players to be at the top of their game technically in terms of passing and movement off the ball. At this level the players aren't good enough to do this.
Result - lots of possession, a basic inability to 'kill teams off', occasionally wonderful performances and somewhere between 5th and 10th at the end of the season. I think we would finish between 3rd and 6th if we played more of a 'progressive' style as we would not be asking players to do things they are incapable of.
dazmanwolf
28-11-2005, 18:26
Every team we play is assessed before the game!
Formations will be changed to adapt to counter the teams!
If we stay at one formation we have no need for a manager!
Hoddle knows his stuff, he just needs the talent to fulfill it on the pitch!
What a crock of s!$*!
At least back your intelligent statement up with something to comment on!
