Derby verdict

[johnybig32]

(ok from tele) but i think we totally controlled the gameand totally deserved the win!


best two players in my opinion were huddlestone, and the man of the match, naylor, who apart from 1 lapse, was excellent both going forward and defensively!


potsma-mush better then oakes in my opinion, if oakes had been in 2niter, i reckon they would have at least scored off a corner. some good positional play and saves 7


edwards-tested everytime by their left winder. did ok though. always stuck to the task at hand. if you actually wtach the game, plays as the right centre half of a three. 7


jo-unusually shakey in first half, much more composed second half 7.


craddock. best centre half on the pitch tonight. excleent covering, tackling, passing, headeing. well done jody! 8


naylor-how much stamina does this guy have. excellent going forward. caused problems all night. should have scored. MOTM 9


huddlestone- ran midfield along with kennedy, and capped it off with a class goal. good vision and passing. covered well and was good defensively too. 9


Kennedy-excellent first 30mins, faded a little after that but still was a big influence. good combbination with naylor down the left, and covered well. 8


cameron-battled well all night and helped to keep derbys midfield quiet. 7


clarke-actually though he was the better of the two strikers whilst he was on, but was still very poor. lacking confidence and will be back on bench 5


seol-much better again, still annoying when in some situations. ran with ball well and distribution was good. much more like the seol we need. 7


ganea-what a second half! what a back heal! what a finish! os the best goalscorer at the club. turning was good, and its good he's finding full fitness. will challenge cort and miller! 8


sub-


ndah- what a substitute, much more like the ndah we know! quick, skillful, and really good header 7


much better overall performance against a really poor derby side however, didnt realise they were that poor!

[Shergar]

Played the first 55 minutes with 10 men. Bought on the 11th man and Derby were no match.


FFS. Loan Clarke outto AFC Telford and let the lad find his level.

[b'heathwolf]

everytime huddlestone got the ball he just seemed to have so much time and always used the ball well!

[whitemouse75]

agreed with that evaluation, however i wish people would stop saying the opposition are poor and just give credit where it's due, we played better than they did. if they can't raise their game it's not our fault.





big mentions: ndah, vio, huddlestone. great to see all of them score, you all know why.


naylor, class, kennedy, class, edwards, i apologise for the abuse i shouted at you last season.

[whitemouse75]

btw, agree about clarke. even his staunchest defenders must by now be starting to see that he is w!$*

[johnybig32]

i did give credit to the team, i didnt say we won becuase derby were poor, i said derby were poor but that didnt mean thats why we only beat them

[whitemouse75]

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[Stewarton Wolf]

Played the first 55 minutes with 10 men. Bought on the 11th man and Derby were no match.


FFS. Loan Clarke outto AFC Telford and let the lad find his level.



Thats harsh on Telford, at 14 stone and 37 I'm considering coming out of retirement, cause surely i'd be better than him.

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[johnybig32]

can i just say...if ganea hadnt had done what he had, his back heal and his goal, in the time when him and clarke were on the pitch together, clarke was much better then ganea in my opinion! it isnt fait to totally keep going on about a player who is low on confidence and of such a young age. give the guy a break, we won, we dont need to keep going on about the negatives!

[Stewarton Wolf]

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[johnybig32]

ganea in the last 40 minutes was excellent!


whenever he does shoot, its always on target. and his turn and finish was superb for his goal tonight.

[Stewarton Wolf]

can i just say...if ganea hadnt had done what he had,
his back heal and his goal, in the time when him and clarke were on the
pitch together, clarke was much better then ganea in my opinion! it
isnt fait to totally keep going on about a player who is low on
confidence and of such a young age. give the guy a break, we won, we
dont need to keep going on about the negatives!



He was a cart horse with no interest in what was going on. He's 20, the very least he should do is put some effort in.

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[Tarcisio Mifsud]

A great result for Wolves. The match practically overturned with the entry of Ndah. Previous to that though Wolves had a lot of possession they were toothless, and could have even been behind. But George overturned the game. It is clear that the players are not very happy with Clarke, for he is totally out of form, and besides he seems very demoralised. His form was also effecting the other players. Ganea and Seol had done nothing when Clarke was in the team. Immediately George came in, they raised their game and could have scored even more goals. Now for my comments on each player.


Postma. He is quite good, although he should collect the ball from corners. Wolves were almost lucky to come out with a clean sheet, for Derby were very dangerous from corners. He deserves a 7.


Edwards. He played very well and deserve another 7.


Naylor. He is my MOM. Defended and attacked well. He deserves a 9.


Craddock. He played his heart our and was very strong and effective.He deservs a high score of 8.


Lescott. Not at his best, particularly in the first half. 6.


Cameron. Ran his socks out. Deserve 6.5 for his efforts.


Kennedy. Had a very good game particularly in the first half. Deserves a high score aswell. 7.


Seol. Very sleepy in the first 60 minutes. He improved in the last third of the match and therefore deserves a 6.


Ganea. He did not play well when Clarke was in the side, but improved immediately George came in. He deserves a high score but, for the second goal, which came out from an excellent back heel pass. 8.


Huddlestone. Strong, knows the game. Wolves should do all possible to at least extend his stay on loan until end of the season. Deserves an 8.


Clarke. Very weak and does not put any effort. 2.


Ndah. He was on the pitch for 30 minutes but turned the match in Wolves favour. 8.





Hope Wolves can repeat these performance next week when I shall be at Molineux on Tuesday and Saturday, with the Maltese Wolves. Hope to meet some of you.Edited by: theinvisibleman

[the_wanderer]

Clarke may well be 20. but he looks as old as Ince and as unfit as Luzhny! Get him shipped out to the basement leagues and get his match play and fitness sorted out...

[johnybig32]

i t hink the problem with clarke is hes not entirely sure where hes playing or whats expected of him.


we dont play 442, and hes the left striker, but then is unsure of what hes doing. ndah would play this role much better and proved he did!


nice copy and paste TM lolsmileys/smiley32.gif

[Shifnal Wolf]

we played very well tonight but derby didnt get into the game because
we closed off their threat (Idiakez). they were only troubling us on
set pieces but i thought we dealt with them as we needed to.



note to kamara-his name is jOlEON not julian!!! please get this right before next saturday against southampton

[johnybig32]

kamara is a total $$$$, and doesnt really like wolves at all. hes full of praise for all of derbys players and how excellent they were, but would always pick on our negatives....


$$$$$!

[Bankswolf II]

Kamara is a dick yes we allready know that get over it.

Overall we were ok nothing special and it was only really Ndahs arrival that we looked dangerous


Also for those who can lip read i would like to apoligise on Clarkes behalf, Jesus he wasnt happy was he!

[SOA Wolf]

Good start, let them into the game for about 20 minutes when they had a few good chances and hit the bar....second half pretty dominant.


The class of Huddlestone, Ganea and pace of Ndah all made a massive difference tonight....hope Hoddle realises that Ganea is a must start EVERY match, natural goalscorer and don't forget is still coming back from a long lay-off....so pleased for george Ndah tonight...in fact I cannot think of three players I would rather have scored....taking into account that Naylor and Lescott are defenders so not so vital for them...love to see forwards scoring and I hope this is a turning point for George.

[johnybig32]

i cant help but feel if potsma wasnt playing,in their spell we would have definately conceeded off a corner. hes much better at commanding his area.

[Space Wolf]

i cant help but feel if potsma wasnt playing,in their
spell we would have definately conceeded off a corner. hes much better
at commanding his area.



Not having a go but he did look a bit shaky at times. He seemed to go missing when Derby hit the bar.

[johnybig32]

that was a shortish corner, he couldnt have been expected to have dealt with that...

[Space Wolf]

Not blaming him. I do agree he's better than Oakes at commanding the area.



How long is he on loan for? Rest of the season?

[Shifnal Wolf]

right my player ratings are as follows:



postma-did well on corners and free-kicks. great handling when needed and always talking. clean sheet. 7</span>

edwards-most improved this year. sticks to his task and always gives 100%. 7</span>

naylor-ran up and down, up and down all night. should have had a shot in 1st half. 8</span>

craddock-commanded tudgay and blackstock and peschisolido (?). best CB
of the night. sorry for the abuse i gave you before the match began. 9</span>

lescott-out of form but still needed. one mistake nearly conceded goal but solid enough performance. 7</span>

huddlestone-what can you say. young, energentic, easy on the ball, wide
range of passing, tall, composed, brilliant goal. 9 (MOM)

kennedy-great 1st 20 mins. went quieter in 2nd half but a captains performance. 8</span>

cameron-ran his socks off again. always 100% effort. could of had a
goal. put in tackles when needed. nullified threat of idiakez. 7</span>

seol-exceptional 2nd half. quiet in the 1st though as derby closed him
down. wish he'd shoot sooner or cross sooner. great 2nd half. 8</span>

clarke-gave 90% but did not come off for him. needs a goal or two to get some confidence. 6</span>

ganea-potent finisher and great set up for huddlestone. getting better each game and hope it continues. 8</span>



sub:

ndah-changed the game totally. ran his socks off and showed glimpses of
the old george ndah. get him fit and he'll be our most importnat
player. 8</span>



hoddle-saw it wasn't working and changed faces. knew he had to restrict idiakez and players did what he asked. great ideas. 9</span>

[R6 Wolf]

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[SOA Wolf]

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But not brilliant...I mean they didn't score from one...which makes them one of the few teams not to score from a dead-ball situation against us this season............................................ ...if you don't count the kick off in the home match!smileys/smiley2.gif

[R6 Wolf]

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[johnybig32]

i think kennedys closing in the first 30mins was fantastic. stamped his authority on the game and had a few good efforts at goal...

[19th Holer]

The one thing that was evident from tonight is that the Ganea-Ndah-Seoul combinationcould be lethal. Many times this season the Cort/Miller line-up has failed to break teams down in this manner.


IF we can keep these players fit.................smileys/smiley20.gif

[BlahBlah]

ganea in the last 40 minutes was excellent!


whenever he does shoot, its always on target. and his turn and finish was superb for his goal tonight.



He DID nearly hit the corner flag with one shot.....and didn't do anything until Ndah came on.......



Great finish though..... he's a penalty box player ONLY though. No
pace, no great passing ability....he's only good in certain areas. We
can make something of his talents, but Clarke isn't the right partner
for him.

[Orinoco]

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[johnybig32]

excellent orinoco???


what message do you think other managers would have took from the game tonight?


did anyone else notice that derby had www.ramsavers.co.uk (http://www.ramsavers.co.uk) on their shirts smileys/smiley36.gif

[Orinoco]

In a nutshell:



Guy who was standing next to me in the pub saying "I tend to support
the team who have my favourite players, this month I have been
following Southampton". I quickly corrected him and said he should note
the supreme team in Orange {this actually happended)



Damn good performance from the lads tonight, special mentions for the
drawback from Vio, just sublime, and we actually seemed to want it
tonight, see the reactino from the players at the end.



No need to get too optimistic, however if we are going on a five-match-unbeaten-run then this would be a good time.



I'm going to be positive and say this is the beginning of our 8-match
winning streak. But then I also ignored the advice of our cleaner;s
advice to put £30 on a Wolves win at 6/4.



Happy, non the less....



I still think Leon is not very good though...

[Orinoco]

And what the hell are those footballs about?smileys/smiley36.gif

[johnybig32]

i miss the stars...smileys/smiley19.gif

[R6 Wolf]

In a nutshell:



Guy who was standing next to me in the pub saying "I tend to support
the team who have my favourite players, this month I have been
following Southampton". I quickly corrected him and said he should note
the supreme team in Orange {this actually happended)



Damn good performance from the lads tonight, special mentions for the
drawback from Vio, just sublime, and we actually seemed to want it
tonight, see the reactino from the players at the end.



No need to get too optimistic, however if we are going on a five-match-unbeaten-run then this would be a good time.



I'm going to be positive and say this is the beginning of our 8-match
winning streak. But then I also ignored the advice of our cleaner;s
advice to put £30 on a Wolves win at 6/4.



Happy, non the less....



I still think Leon is not very good though...



I think your cleaner will have Tuesday off

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[whitemouse75]

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/wolvesderbyceleb.jpg

[johnybig32]

i want that as my atvar...how can i do that?

[Orinoco]

Imagine being in an extremely rough pub and celebrating like you;ve
just won the lottery! That was me that was, and I even met a Derby fan
who decided at half time that things were "not going their way"! We are
at the scary point of the rollercoaster where it gets really exciting
or the damn car falls off the rails.



Trust me on this one - playoff excitement awaits us...

[johnybig32]

it'll be better then playoff...

[Kris Kringle]

Naylor MOTM?

Were you people watching the same game as me?

OK, he was good going forward but his defending was shocking. He was caught ball watching at least three times and if we were playing a better team with better players we could well have been punished due to his constant lapses in concentration and dozing off.

Apart from that though, what an excellent performance. Every player looked very comfortable on the ball and at times played the kind of football that wouldn't look out of place in the premiership. Special mentions for Seol who looked dangerous every time he had the ball 2nd half, Craddock for his usual honest play, Kennedy who looks more and more like a captain everytime I see him play, Huddlestone for his genuine class, Ganea for being clinical and Ndah for his pace and for putting himself in the right areas at the right times.

When we play like that, nobody in this league will live with us. Sort the consistancy out and watch us reel Reading in... They don't have the quality to stay where they are all season IMO.Edited by: Kris Kringle

[SFS II]

A defensive midfielder that can pass and 4-4-2. Who'd have thought it? smileys/smiley24.gif



4 months too late Hoddle, but its a start.

[kinyo298]

Well chuffed with second half performance and a much needed 3 points.I think Sheffield Utd will be more dangerous from set pieces than Derby were.But what the hell its 3 points and lets go on from here.

[dr cool]

Naylor MOTM?



Were you people watching the same game as me?



OK, he was good going forward but his defending was shocking. He
was caught ball watching at least three times and if we were playing a
better team with better players we could well have been punished due to
his constant lapses in concentration and dozing off.



Apart from that though, what an excellent performance. Every player
looked very comfortable on the ball and at times played the kind of
football that wouldn't look out of place in the premiership. Special
mentions for Seol who looked dangerous every time he had the ball 2nd
half, Craddock for his usual honest play, Kennedy who looks more and
more like a captain everytime I see him play, Huddlestone for his
genuine class, Ganea for being clinical and Ndah for his pace and for
putting himself in the right areas at the right times.



When we play like that, nobody in this league will live with us.
Sort the consistancy out and watch us reel Reading in... They don't
have the quality to stay where they are all season IMO.



agreed kris mate.....lets go for reading and do them at the death....smileys/smiley32.gif



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[IMAB]

Harry Potter was great. Well done Harry.

[dr cool]

Harry Potter was great. Well done Harry.



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[Visage Wolf]

Harry Potter was great. Well done Harry.



I wasnt impressed. 3 hours of my life lost.



Still, watched the game this morning with a bacon butty, so these things even themselves out.....

[EasternWolf]

I know you all say he didnt do much but the difference is Ganea. He plays like Jimmy Greaves. Accept that he will score and command the box when he gets the sevice he did after Ndah came on. We were missing goals early in the season because we werent "clinical". now we are. Thats the difference.


Interesting choices for Hoddle to make when Miller and Cort are back fit. 2 clean sheets in a row is good as well.

[SOA Wolf]

A defensive midfielder that can pass and 4-4-2. Who'd have thought it? smileys/smiley24.gif

4 months too late Hoddle, but its a start.





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Be fair SFS, it is a complicated game and getting players in in also complex.....you cannot expect some people to grasp things as quickly as yourself.....Edited by: SOA Wolf

[Janson Wolf]

I've posted this elsewherebut I think it's clear to say that whilst Vio can get involved around the pitch he's basically a box player and clinical finisher. I think Kenny or George should partner Vio and if Glenn want's 3 up front go for all 3 with Vio the fornt man.


Regarding the game what was important is that when we lost our way in the first half we didn't concede. Second half we came out and when Leon hadn't raised his game the change was made and what an impact that made, as already noted.


After the game when Glenn was interviewed he said the players were as pleased with the cleansheet as the 3 points. Glenn said something along the lines " keeping a clean sheet for us is important as it provides a foundation, because we'll always create chances and tonight we were clinical"


Very true and we've now gone two games with 5 scored. none conceded and 6 points hauled in. Bring on Sheffield and lets build on it!!

[Toon Wolf]

So basically everyone is now saying that should all our strikers be fit we leave out the one who has scored almost as many as all of the others put together? Bunch of weirdos.

[SOA Wolf]

Two things Janson, this is the first time in 47 games we have kept two clean sheets in a row....ABOUT BL**DY TIME, statistically it should have happened before now...so until this turns into the norm and against good opposition instead of a blip I am not getting too excited.


Second, Hoddle actually said clean sheets are the most important thing to us right now.....erm, although I would agree they are important......in fact several of us on here have been making this point since January and Hoddle's spectacular failure in achieving this so-called target of his (which means in his own words he is a failure as he has not hit his number one target)...I would have thought our priority target (i.e. the most important thing) was to get three points...or am I missing the point of football in a league system.


Nice one Glenn another example of the cr*p you speak....basically everytime you open your mouth. No wonder the players look lost and confused most of the time...maybe he should think what he wants to say before opening his trap....and then trying to talk about facts instead of the imaginary world of how unlucky we always are.

[Norfolk Wolf]

Some people are never happy.



Keep on lynching Hoddle, it'll just make it all the sweeter if we succeed this season...

[dr cool]

Some people are never happy.



Keep on lynching Hoddle, it'll just make it all the sweeter if we succeed this season...








o how i wish.....really sweet....



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[ulven]

SOA Wolf, one of the main reasons for this bulletin board's rapid decline
into irrelevance.....

[Essex Wolf]

Having been at the game and having now watched it on TV as well I'll throw in my two penneth worth.


Postma, didn't have a great deal to do but most of what he did do was done calmly, for the most part, and he made a very impotant save in 2nd half. 6.5/10


Edwards, steady all night and is turning into a very capable RB. 7/10


Craddock, as above re steadiness and made a couple of timely tackles. 7/10


Lescott, JLo still doesn't seem at his verybest but more than good enough to handle a poor Derby strike force, well force not teally the right word they were so poor but maybe our defence can take credit for that being he case? 7/10


Naylor. Looked impressive going forward and generally got well involved but on occasion still has a momet of madness and loses concentration. 7/10


Kennedy. Very good game last night and was up for it from he off. Got stuck in, played some great balls and led by example.8/10


Cameron. Busy as ever and snapping away at the Derby players throughout. always made himself available but didn't do anything too exciting for me but credit where it's due he was working non stop. 7/10


Huddlestone. MOTM and for many reasons for me. Superbly worked goal, excellent first touch and all from an 18yr old. The lad is class. 9/10


Seol. Very busy at times and created Derby loads of problems.Tended to over elaborate for me at times but impressive more often than not.7.5/10


Ganea.If it wasn't for TH I'd have given Vio MOTM. Looks lazy at times but when it's needed he springs into action and created a superb goal and scored a cracker as well.8/10


Clarke.Oh dear. I was hoping for the lad to do well and whilst he was working hard he just never got into the game. Having now seen his reaction to being subbed on the TV he was not happy by the looks of things with his efforts.Hopefully he will play better in the furture.5/10


Ndah.Took his goal very well and offered so much more than Clarke.Caused Derby a real headache and if GN can end up playing a full 90mins in the next few weeks and stay injury fee he will be a real asset.8/10.


Hoddle.Got his tactics spot on and made the substitution when he could see things were just not happening for Clarke and Vio.Considering the number of players unavailable GH put out a good side who did his decisions and the team proud.


Wolves fans. Offered great backing throughout.10/10smileys/smiley1.gif

[28th March 1965]

I'm sorry Essex I disagree with 8/10 for Kennedy his distrubution was pretty poor and numerous times he'd play the ball blind and lose us possession.....not his worse game but to rate him that highly is a bit strange...

[EasternWolf]

So basically everyone is now saying that should all our strikers be fit we leave out the one who has scored almost as many as all of the others put together? Bunch of weirdos.


Well, having played more than (say) Ganea, it is clear that he should have scored more. In reality though he has missed many as well and if he had put some of those away we could have picked up a lot of points for games in which we played well enough but finished poorly.


I dont care too much for statistics but i cannot imagine there being a team in the league that has made more chances than wolves this season.


I will excuse Kenny for missing as many as he has because he works tirelessly for the team.

[Toon Wolf]

So basically everyone is now saying that should all our strikers be fit we leave out the one who has scored almost as many as all of the others put together? Bunch of weirdos.


Well, having played more than (say) Ganea, it is clear that he should have scored more. In reality though he has missed many as well and if he had put some of those away we could have picked up a lot of points for games in which we played well enough but finished poorly.


I dont care too much for statistics but i cannot imagine there being a team in the league that has made more chances than wolves this season.


I will excuse Kenny for missing as many as he has because he works tirelessly for the team.





Total Cort's appearances and goals, total of all other striker's appearances and goals, not an unfair comparison really. He still comes out ahead.

[Toon Wolf]

Just to confirm:


Cort 14 app 9 goals


Miller 14 app 4 goals


Ndah 3(6sub) app 1 goal


Ganea 4 app 3 goals


Clarke 6 (10 sub) app 1 goal


Totals: Cort: 14 and 9


Rest: 43 (counting sub)and 9


While Ganea has the best goals to game ratio, Cort is still clearly proving the most consistent finisher.

[Jim Bowen]

So basically everyone is now saying that should all our strikers be fit we leave out the one who has scored almost as many as all of the others put together? Bunch of weirdos.


So you'd drop Ganea just as he's getting match fit and hitting some good form? Personally I'd play Ganea and Miller when they are all fit, just my opinion so don't cry and resort to insults.

[SOA Wolf]

SOA Wolf, one of the main reasons for this bulletin board's rapid decline
into irrelevance.....


Who are you?....obviously not the original Ulven, who was a knob, but at least an articulate one.


If you feel the board is irrelevant then why don't you go away and not post?

[Toon Wolf]

So basically everyone is now saying that should all our strikers be fit we leave out the one who has scored almost as many as all of the others put together? Bunch of weirdos.


So you'd drop Ganea just as he's getting match fit and hitting some good form? Personally I'd play Ganea and Miller when they are all fit, just my opinion so don't cry and resort to insults.


No I'm not saying that, I actually believe Vio to be the best goalmouth predator at the club, but everyone else seemed to be dismissing Cort and coming up with permutations involving Vio, Kenny and George and I felt it was worth pointing out that Cort has been our best and most consistent striker this season. As far as goals go at least.

[whitemouse75]

play 3 from 4 and swap one for the last 20 minutes. easy innit?

[Zigzag Wanderer]

not saying that, I actually believe Vio to be the best goalmouth predator at the club, but everyone else seemed to be dismissing Cort and coming up with permutations involving Vio, Kenny and George and I felt it was worth pointing out that Cort has been our best and most consistent striker this season. As far as goals go at least.





Agree, and it's not as if we'll only need two strikers all season, but a lot of those goals have come off the back of Miller's workrate, positional awareness &amp; space creation. He could do the same for Ganea, but I don't think Ganea &amp; Cort would work as a striking option, so if Miller goes in January that could be a problem. Cort/Miller fine, but if Ganea's fully fit I fancy him to upset defenders a lot more than Cort, who doesn't quite punch his weight(&amp; height). Although obviously Cort would fill in during the inevitable periods of suspension.

[EasternWolf]

Well I guess we are lucky to be able to have this debate at all. long may it last!!

[Bevan]

Problem is that Glenn said George isn't ready for 90mins. That said, it seems we'll have Clarkey up front again come the start of the next match smileys/smiley18.gif

[SOA Wolf]

No I'm not saying that, I actually believe Vio to be the best goalmouth predator at the club, but everyone else seemed to be dismissing Cort and coming up with permutations involving Vio, Kenny and George and I felt it was worth pointing out that Cort has been our best and most consistent striker this season. As far as goals go at least.





Agreed Toon, by far the classiest striker we have....and I include Miller in that. If he finds the right strike partner (and that may be Cort or Miller) then he can be a 20+ striker for us.

[EasternWolf]

No I'm not saying that, I actually believe Vio to be the best goalmouth predator at the club, but everyone else seemed to be dismissing Cort and coming up with permutations involving Vio, Kenny and George and I felt it was worth pointing out that Cort has been our best and most consistent striker this season. As far as goals go at least.





Agreed Toon, by far the classiest striker we have....and I include Miller in that. If he finds the right strike partner (and that may be Cort or Miller) then he can be a 20+ striker for us.





Clarke???Edited by: EasternWolf

[SOA Wolf]

No I'm not saying that, I actually believe Vio to be the best goalmouth predator at the club, but everyone else seemed to be dismissing Cort and coming up with permutations involving Vio, Kenny and George and I felt it was worth pointing out that Cort has been our best and most consistent striker this season. As far as goals go at least.





Agreed Toon, by far the classiest striker we have....and I include Miller in that. If he finds the right strike partner (and that may be Cort or Miller) then he can be a 20+ striker for us.





Clarke???





You naughty boy Easternsmileys/smiley2.gif I don't need anyone altering my posts to have a go at me...there are enough who don't agree with what I really say already.smileys/smiley2.gif

[Hod's 80s perm]

An excellent three points, which with the results today, sets us up quite nicely.


Pretty even game until Clarke was replaced and then we looked a different team. 4-4-2 works (what a surprise) and we now seem to have the confidence to really go on from here, starting with a 3-0 demolition of the 'blades' on Tuesday.


Huddlestone fantastic again and now living up to his reptuation after two mediocre games at the start.


Ndah - Believed he should be playing, which hasn't always been the case. Perhaps I was a bit premature whenI said we should put him down.


Ganea - World class back heel and finish. Could be the missing ingredient!


Also special praise for the Wolves fans who actually attended the game. What with the sub-zero temperature, the game being on TV and the price of the tickets, I thought those did go really got behind the team and were rewarded by the performance.

[SOA Wolf]

Also special praise for the Wolves fans who actually attended the game. What with the sub-zero temperature, the game being on TV and the price of the tickets, I thought those did go really got behind the team and were rewarded by the performance.





Agreed, I'm glad they were suitably rewarded...................

















................for once smileys/smiley2.gif

[Hod's 80s perm]

Also special praise for the Wolves fans who actually attended the game. What with the sub-zero temperature, the game being on TV and the price of the tickets, I thought those did go really got behind the team and were rewarded by the performance.





Agreed, I'm glad they were suitably rewarded...................

















................for once smileys/smiley2.gif








I was disappointed at how many we actually taking before the game, but everyone was fully behind the team... bit like the old 4th division days!

[SOA Wolf]

I was disappointed at how many we actually taking before the game, but everyone was fully behind the team... bit like the old 4th division days!





Maybe others are not as wealthy as yourself.

[Hod's 80s perm]

I was disappointed at how many we actually taking before the game, but everyone was fully behind the team... bit like the old 4th division days!





Maybe others are not as wealthy as yourself.





Fair enough, there are always going to be legitimate reasons why people can't go and a lot of what I put is in jest.


Thanks for the wealthy bit, but if you knew my Mrs and her desire to spend, you'd retract that straight away!

[SOA Wolf]

Fair enough, there are always going to be legitimate reasons why people can't go and a lot of what I put is in jest.


Thanks for the wealthy bit, but if you knew my Mrs and her desire to spend, you'd retract that straight away!





I know, she told me about it whilst you were at the match.smileys/smiley2.gif

[Hod's 80s perm]

Fair enough, there are always going to be legitimate reasons why people can't go and a lot of what I put is in jest.


Thanks for the wealthy bit, but if you knew my Mrs and her desire to spend, you'd retract that straight away!





I know, she told me about it whilst you were at the match.smileys/smiley2.gif





You cheeky sod, she told me she was at home with an old b!$*!$*d... I thought she meant my dadsmileys/smiley19.gif

[SOA Wolf]

You cheeky sod, she told me she was at home with an old b!$*!$*d... I thought she meant my dadsmileys/smiley19.gif





Good description...can't argue with it....maybe I was there after all.smileys/smiley17.gif

[Toon Wolf]

Just to add something else (sensible smileys/smiley2.gif) to this debate re: the strikers, one thing we add with Cort playing is our best player at defending corners. How many times has Cort been the man to head clear opposition corners? If only our other players were as adept! Not necessarily the first thing you look for in a striker, but an invaluable bonus none the less.

[whitemouse75]

i think cort and vio would work very well, cort is good at winning or holding the ball, its often the case that there is no-one within a mile to lay it off to. vio gets dizzy if he leaves the box, so it could be a good combination.





time will tell.

[MobNet Wolf]

great 2nd half, great atmoshere throughout.



Loved, 'shoes off, if you love the wolves'

[Essex Wolf]

I'm sorry Essex I disagree with 8/10 for Kennedy his distrubution was pretty poor and numerous times he'd play the ball blind and lose us possession.....not his worse game but to rate him that highly is a bit strange...


Fair comments mate but I have often slated MK for being lazy and not offering the team enough. Last night, IMHO,he was busy from the KO making himself available as well getting stuck in, something he would not have done anywhere near as much of a few years back, just my opinion again here.


I rated him highly because for me he gave his all from the first whistle and that is all I ever ask and expect from any player but I understand your comments fully mate.

[The Bear]

I went last night but didn't get behind the team at all. In fact I was silent for 99% of it.


But I was sitting in the upper tier of the West stand (free tickets). I was already going to the match though and would have been in with the away fans if I hadn't have got the freebies.


I did consider turning them down and paying £29, and I kind of wish I did now after the result and seeing the away fans having a great time. The Derby fans were very poor compared to last season's game.

[Essex Wolf]

The Derby fans were very poor compared to last season's game.





But not as poor as their team.smileys/smiley2.gif

[stever]

seth johnson was a dirty $$$$$$$$$$$$ last night. The knee in
cameron's back was shocking. the fact that it was blindside to
the ref was the only reason he didnt get booked. He is definitely
a player that has a malicious intent when going in for a challenge.



He joins my list of most hated footballers. Currently I have the following players in it:



bowyer, bellamy, johnson, diouf-a fine band of a**eholes!!!smileys/smiley7.gif

[Jim Bowen]

Seth Johnson - thank $$$$$$$ we didn't sign him, only time I saw him except for the two shocking challenges on Cameron was when he was taking the corners.

You would of thought that a player whose career has been ruined by injury would think before going into challenges like that, obviously a thick $$$$$$ though.

[stever]

Seth Johnson - thank $$$$$$$ we didn't sign him, only
time I saw him except for the two shocking challenges on Cameron was
when he was taking the corners.


You would of thought that a player whose career has been ruined by
injury would think before going into challenges like that, obviously a
thick $$$$$$ though.



Jim, remember he is a footballer, his mind does not compute!!!

[Essex Wolf]

Thought Seth Johnson was very poor.I was expecting to see good stuff from him and Idiakez but for me both were not good enough to be even called mediocre.

[derbyrameater]

Good support for a very cold Friday nightand on the box.Also watched a tape of the game. I thought Sky muted the support cos we were going at it for nearly 90 mins, something was getting up the police noses cos the were filming everone including the guy in the Batman suit, perhaps "shoes" are an offensive weapon if they are in your hand but not on your feet, wot was that song about totally insane, picture it 800-1000 people waving a shoe in the air (has to be in the right hand, I think) Brian in the football age.


The game, first half we might have just had the edge on play but Derby possibly had the most clearcut chances,they were kicking at the away end so I can`t say for sure whether ours were so good at the other end. All players grafted hard, Cameron seems to be taking on the Rae role of closing down so a second player can get the ball, an unsung role but thats 2 games on the trot where he has played that game. Kennedy opened well, 2 decent shots on target but straight at the goally, the proceeded at times to do the same as he has done in the 3/4 games giving the ball away by playing a blind pass just in front of the defence and causing all sorts of pooh. i took an old Irish guy who is an Everton supporter. He was amazed how slow Kennedy was now and commented how overall how poor Kennedy was. Soel not a lot the first half, and I thought we were going to get a repeat of his performance against Shef Utd. Not alot to say about Clarke but sometimes he will do something and you think yes he haspotenial then nothing (is it attitude, wrong role/position, fitness, a lack of skill?) if he is going to make it he will need special attention from the coaches. If Hoddle can resurrect Naylors career hopefully he can start Clarke`s. Derby play for set pieces to use Idiakez, which we generally did Ok withexcept fora couple that went straight through the defence and out the other side. Its a fine line.


Second half started like the first with Clarke getting more and more dis-spirited with every passing minute. Ndah comes on and the game changes completley, Thome came on vitually at the same time, whether this was to counter Ndah I dont know and if so it did not work. Lovely diving header and he looked so pleased. Huddleston was getting more involved and then came the masterpiece goal, watch the back heel on tv and see how much power Ganea puts into it whilst going at full speed, bloody incredible. It`s great to see Naylor being applauded, expectations rise by the week and again a few dazzling runs and not many wasted balls. Seol,when Ndah came on seemed to lift his game, still can take to long to cross at times and wants to beat the same player 3 times. His header to an inch prefect cross from Naylor was too straight at the goalkeeper. We were now pulling Derby all over the place and Soel was doing what we know he can, tormenting the other team and not us.


The ref, so so, did`nt do Wolves any favours including blowing up for half time when we had a corner, how often do you see refs allow the corner to be taken and blow when the ball goes dead or the half way line.


Wolves 7.5.......Derby 4.5.....Ref 5.5........Wolves Fans 9.99.....Derby fans 1.0.......Batman 8.5......Police 10 for intimidation......


More of the sarcastic cheering for the ref I can see this growing.


Can someone please explain "take your shoes off if you love the Wolves"

[SOA Wolf]

.............wot was that song about totally insane, picture it 800-1000 people waving a shoe in the air (has to be in the right hand, I think) Brian in the football age.


....................


Can someone please explain "take your shoes off if you love the Wolves"





Haven't you answered your own question? Isn't it linked to Life of Brian and Hoddle being Goddle....in some people's eyes?

[Kris Kringle]

IT'S A SIGN!



smileys/smiley36.gif

[derbyrameater]

Doh, I forgot about Hoddle not being allowed out to play, but he had been a very very naughty boy, So "Just look on the Bright Side of Life" and be "be afraid, very afraid of the Wolves"

[Papa]

Having seen the highlights again i think if Derby had been at the races we could have been 2 down easily. Apart from Edwards we were all over the place again, couldn't defend a corner for love or money.


Defensive coach needed? Where's John Ward?


Wolves are far from the finished article so lets not pretend.

[SOA Wolf]

Having seen the highlights again i think if Derby had been at the races we could have been 2 down easily. Apart from Edwards we were all over the place again, couldn't defend a corner for love or money.


Defensive coach needed? Where's John Ward?


Wolves are far from the finished article so lets not pretend.





Careful Papa, you will be called a party poopah or is that Party Papa?smileys/smiley5.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

Apart from Edwards we were all over the place again, couldn't defend a corner for love or money.


Defensive coach needed? Where's John Ward?


Wolves are far from the finished article so lets not pretend.





We need Cort and/or Murray back to defend corners, neither Postma or Oakes command their area, and Cort is the only player we have who's good in the air.

[Papa]

Careful Papa, you will be called a party poopah or is that Party Papa?smileys/smiley5.gif


I've seen enough of the Wolves to know when we are on to a good thing and we are definately not yet. Its all very well Hoddle gloating about a clean sheet but we were very very lucky last Friday. Lescott and Craddock cant defend corners and thats a fact and thats why they aint premiership players.

[EasternWolf]

I blame Lescott.

[AndyP]

Re: Corners.


They were pretty lethal!! Postma did well to stop Idiakez scoring directly from that one effort!


I did notice Edwards going absolutely nuts making sure he stuck with his man which was very encouraging.


Naylor was my MOTMsmileys/smiley32.gif


Ganea is a legend, I'l probably have the number 9 ordered this week! Bring on Sheff Utd.

[glasgowwolf]

can i just say...if ganea hadnt had done what he had, his back heal and his goal, in the time when him and clarke were on the pitch together, clarke was much better then ganea in my opinion! it isnt fait to totally keep going on about a player who is low on confidence and of such a young age. give the guy a break, we won, we dont need to keep going on about the negatives!


Totally agree JB. Maybe Clarke needs to leave, the fans will never give him any credit. Thought he looked very low on confidence but was better than Vio who was none existant till his Back heal and goal. Difference is Clarke is young and learning his game and Vio is the finished article an international goal scorer and a good one.

[basher]

I wondered how long it would take Glasgowwolf to pop up to defend Clarke!!


The lad, on present form, just isn't good enough!! He has had the perfect chance to prove himself with the other frontline strikers out injured and he has blown it big style.

[EasternWolf]

can i just say...if ganea hadnt had done what he had, his back heal and his goal, in the time when him and clarke were on the pitch together, clarke was much better then ganea in my opinion! it isnt fait to totally keep going on about a player who is low on confidence and of such a young age. give the guy a break, we won, we dont need to keep going on about the negatives!


Totally agree JB. Maybe Clarke needs to leave, the fans will never give him any credit. Thought he looked very low on confidence but was better than Vio who was none existant till his Back heal and goal. Difference is Clarke is young and learning his game and Vio is the finished article an international goal scorer and a good one.





In fact it was Clarke's fault. Neither Vio or Seol could play with him against Derby. No first touch.No movement. No comprehension about what was happening around him. A lot of running about huffing and puffing.I dont go as far as some of the othersbecause I think there is something there. He seems to have lost confidence in himself and does need the chance to get it back. Obviously he cant be loaned outright now but I would do it as soon as the other strikers are fit.

[Bill McCai]

What was he saying when he went off? Was he annoyed with himself, or the fact he had been subbed?
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Certainly didn’t seem happy!

Personally, I cannot believe he got subbed. Had Hoddle not been ball watching, but movement watching, he would have seen how the presence of Clarke is of great benefit to the team.

[Deutsch Wolf]

What was he saying when he went off?
3 Big Macs, two large fries and a supersize Coke, please.

[glasgowwolf]

Mcai I said it once and i'll say it again the sub was the correct one. Clarke was poor, on Friday however his general play was better than Vio. You should never sub Ganea, he is a goal scorer. He will not play outside 18 yards.Put him in the box. His movement is awesome. As for his finishing he is the best finisher at the club, without a doubt. He will score 1 in 2 or 3 chances on average.Cort will get 1 in 4 or 5, Miller 1 in3 or 4. Clarkewhen heconfident will get 1 in4 or 5. at the moment Clarke is getting 1 in 6 or 7 chances.

[Bill McCai]

<DIV>Mcai I said it once and i'll say it again the sub was the correct one. Clarke was poor, on Friday however his general play was better than Vio. You should never sub Ganea, he is a goal scorer. He will not play outside 18 yards.Put him in the box. His movement is awesome. As for his finishing he is the best finisher at the club, without a doubt. He will score 1 in 2 or 3 chances on average.Cort will get 1 in 4 or 5, Miller 1 in3 or 4. Clarkewhen heconfident will get 1 in4 or 5. at the moment Clarke is getting 1 in 6 or 7 chances. </DIV>
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As far as I know, Leon Clarke is a striker too isn’t he? He scored loads for the reserves last season. He hasn’t been able to make the step up. When he first came on the scene he scoreed quite a few goals and we thought we had something a bit special ( and homegrown ) on our hands. He hasn’t improved sufficiently IMO. Some might say he's got worse. We don’t owe him anything do we? If he isn’t doing the business he shouldn’t be in the side.
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[glasgowwolf]

Mcai he should be defended for 2 reasons


1 He is still a very young kid. Yes we thought we had somethging special and typical of Wolves fans he misses a few chances and gets slated. He is playing in a team with fragile confidence.


2. He is a wolves player.


When all of the forwards are fit he will not be playing.You said it he is a forward, whatthe hell is he doing playing Right Wing? and rather than giving himsupport whilst playing somewhere he should not be what do we do? destroy the kid.

[Deutsch Wolf]

whatthe hell is he doing playing Right Wing


He's played up front agains$$$$ford, Brighton, Norwich and Derby and been awful all four times. He's also getting amazing support from the Wolves fans (i.e. no booing, no slating, no "You fat $$$$$$$$" chants of the type that the considerably more svelte Keith Andrewshad to endure) given the fact that I'd be a better bet up front at the moment.

[Bill McCai]

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[Axle]

Clarke is the worst player I've seen in a Wolves shirt since Steve Corica,I think Hod plays him so that he can look like a tactical genius when he brings him off and brings GN on.


The next two games are huge for us. I don't think we can catch Sheff U (unless Warnock does one to Pompey) but Sheff U are a quality side and it will be a good gauge of where we're going.


Derby were abysmal and I felt sorry for the Sheep, only because I can remember feeling like that so often after watching Wolves. We can only beat the side that's being put in front of us and I think, when we attack the six-yard box we look much better than trying to look pretty. We seem to have addressed that since Hud arrived as we seem much more willing to shoot on sight.


Still, I think Postma looked a bit dodgy on crosses (might have been becauseit was cold)and his kicking is poor, but how can you complain with two clean sheets in a row?


Love to see us do Sheff U, but I think they're too good to lose. 2-2 thriller, and finally some bookings as we go for it in a big way.

[glasgowwolf]

Bill I am dissapointed he has not made the most of his opportunity. I think the damage was done early part of the season playing Right Wing. He scores loads and plays really well up front in the reserves, then is put out to the right wing. Confidence dips he starts snatching at chances and before you know it he is playing badly. I saw the highlights of the Norwich game and all of the times we threatened it was his movement that set up the chances. Players are delicate especially strikers and young strikers in particular. We hear Shearer, Owen et al saying how confidence is important. but they never doubt there own ability to score. Clarke is probably thinking he cannot play football,is crap, will never score again. Hears comments from the crowd may be not to the extent we ruined Andrews and Simkin with, but certainly enough to damage him. He does need a run in the reserves, once he is playing in the reserves and scoring send him out to a championship team. I would love him to play for someone else at the mol on loan and score a couple, albeit in a 3-2 defeat

[AndyP]

once he is playing in the reserves and scoring send him out to a championship team. I would love him to play for someone else at the mol on loan and score a couple, albeit in a 3-2 defeat


Yeah, cus that'd really happen wouldn't it football God?!!! smileys/smiley36.gif


we'd really let one of our own players play against us wouldn't we?!!

[basher]

Clarke is not a kid anymore and this needs hammering home if he is going to make the grade at this level!!!


He has wasted a perfect opportunity to make the shirt his own, but he has been found sadly wanting in ability.


I've said this before that people directly involved with him have questioned his attitude and commitment. He needs to look long and hard at himself and ask if he really wants it enough. If not,then he can join the likes of Ryan Green who have wasted their chance when it has been handed to them.

[glasgowwolf]

once he is playing in the reserves and scoring send him out to a championship team. I would love him to play for someone else at the mol on loan and score a couple, albeit in a 3-2 defeat


Yeah, cus that'd really happen wouldn't it football God?!!! smileys/smiley36.gif


we'd really let one of our own players play against us wouldn't we?!!








Well Why not Andy everyone says he is crap surely he would not get a kick............

[glasgowwolf]

Clarke is not a kid anymore and this needs hammering home if he is going to make the grade at this level!!!


He has wasted a perfect opportunity to make the shirt his own, but he has been found sadly wanting in ability.


I've said this before that people directly involved with him have questioned his attitude and commitment. He needs to look long and hard at himself and ask if he really wants it enough. If not,then he can join the likes of Ryan Green who have wasted their chance when it has been handed to them.





When do they stop becoming a kid?


He is 20 years old has had 20 Starts...


32 appearences as Sub.


He is a obviously a highly experienced fully matured player

[basher]

When do they stop becoming a kid?


He is 20 years old has had 20 Starts...


32 appearences as Sub.


He is a obviously a highly experienced fully matured player





He isn't a kid anymore, it really is as simple as that.And he needs to start showing the promise and the potentialthat the Academy saw in him in the first place.


The time is now for him to start making the grade at this club otherwise he'll be forced to move on permanently.

[SOA Wolf]

I blame Lescott.


Yes it's about time we turned on one of the few really talented players we have......


Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.

[Bill McCai]

I blame Lescott.


Yes it's about time we turned on one of the few really talented players we have......


Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.
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I cant believe Seyi has been forgotten so easily!
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ALL TOGETHER NOW: "SEYI! SEYI! SEYI!"

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[AndyP]

When do they stop becoming a kid?


He is 20 years old has had 20 Starts...


32 appearences as Sub.


He is a obviously a highly experienced fully matured player





He isn't a kid anymore, it really is as simple as that.And he needs to start showing the promise and the potentialthat the Academy saw in him in the first place.


The time is now for him to start making the grade at this club otherwise he'll be forced to move on permanently.





Have to agree mate. Totally lost patience with the fool on Friday. He seemed to be getting there last season butlooks a lost cause now. Jimmi Lee Jones always seemed a better prospect when they were younger aswell.

[Deutsch Wolf]

Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.





Clarke's non performances have got nothing to do with perceived jibes from the crowd and everything to do with his stunning lack of talent and application. As I've mentioned earlier, he's getting an amazingly easy time from the fans given just how poor his displays have been.

[SOA Wolf]

Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.





Clarke's non performances have got nothing to do with perceived jibes from the crowd and everything to do with his stunning lack of talent and application. As I've mentioned earlier, he's getting an amazingly easy time from the fans given just how poor his displays have been.





You misunderstand DW, I'm advocating positive aggression from the fans......let's work out the team WE think is best and then pick on the players we don't want....simple...drive them out smileys/smiley2.gif

[basher]

Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.





The crowd have not turned on Clarke at games, and in fact have given him plenty of support!!


My argument is that if Clarke wants to succeed at this club he needs to look long and hard at himself and ask how much he really wants it!!

[SOA Wolf]

Clarke's been turned to jelly, let's systematically pick on a player a month until we get the team WE want.





The crowd have not turned on Clarke at games, and in fact have given him plenty of support!!


My argument is that if Clarke wants to succeed at this club he needs to look long and hard at himself and ask how much he really wants it!!





Not arguing, feel the same and also if the stories of people seeing him out drinking are correct I have little sympathy with him, even less with a management that allows it to happen.

[Kris Kringle]

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