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Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:22
There are several posters who make comment about Wolves being unlucky, playing great football and also being one of the CCC's best sides even though we have already lost 3 games, are clearly stuggling at homejust nowand failing to convert domination and chances into winning results.It's almost as if playing pretty football is all that matters with the result being a secondary matter.
So a quick question for everyone.
Would you prefer to attenda game, home or away, watch Wolves play lovely football and lose or draw or would you prefer Wolves won even though the preformance was shall we say ugly?
I know what I'd prefer.
Jack Bauer
03-10-2005, 13:25
Win every time.
But what would be the point, I go to watch football,If Hoddle or any manager, brought in a system, where we only won one nil and played boring football, In truth I would give up my season ticket, go and buy the pink.
I also believe playing Ugly will get you so far, all the great teams play football.
Molineuxmessiah
03-10-2005, 13:29
Playing pretty football will not get us promoted. Unlucky on Friday maybe, but 11 points behind the leaders certainly is not unlucky.
You need to fight your way out of this league and we haven't got the players to do that, simple.
Black Suit
03-10-2005, 13:30
I'd prefer to win every time.
I like to see entertaining play, of course, but I didn't think Friday was all that good anyway. We were indeed by far the better team but having 4 defenders for one attacker at the expense of being outnumbered in the middle made it tougher than it should have been.
It was quite a costly defeat really in terms of bridging the gap with the top two.
Jack Bauer
03-10-2005, 13:30
The point wouldbe that we would get out this division, something I'm not convinced Hoddle's pretty football will.
Molineuxmessiah
03-10-2005, 13:31
I also believe playing Ugly will get you so far, all the great teams play football.
Ugly football will get you promoted, then we can build and become great. Whats the point in being good to watch in this league?
Jack Bauer
03-10-2005, 13:32
As much as I hate to say it, I would give anything to be where Bolton are now and no-one would ever say they play pretty football.
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:34
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
Edited by: Essex Wolf
Jack Bauer
03-10-2005, 13:36
I just wonder what we'd do if we did go up, would we try and outplay teams? Because that aint gonna work, as we proved against Man Utd in our Prem season, the only way you beat them is to kick ema bit.
Where has ugly football got us in the last twenty years? We need
pretty football when we go up, we're playing pretty football now and
we're 4th in the league.
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:37
I just wonder what we'd do if we did go up, would we try and outplay teams? Because that aint gonna work, as we proved against Man Utd in our Prem season, the only way you beat them is to kick ema bit.
Exactly.
RoffeyWolf
03-10-2005, 13:37
There are several posters who make comment about Wolves being unlucky, playing great football and also being one of the CCC's best sides even though we have already lost 3 games, are clearly stuggling at homejust nowand failing to convert domination and chances into winning results.It's almost as if playing pretty football is all that matters with the result being a secondary matter.
So a quick question for everyone.
Would you prefer to attenda game, home or away, watch Wolves play lovely football and lose or draw or would you prefer Wolves won even though the preformance was shall we say ugly?
I know what I'd prefer.
If you have the divisions top scorer playing for you up frontand as a team you score 7 away goals in two matches then I would say you are converting chances.
If you choose to forgot that becuase of an frustrating game that we were very unlucky to come away with 0 points from, then that is up to you.
We are 4th in the table and playing good football - some people will moan at anything.
Win every time, it automatically becomes inwardlyattractive by way of the 3 pts, ask Sheff Utd fans.
The point wouldbe that we would get out this division, something I'm not convinced Hoddle's pretty football will.
The point is to be entertained, if we were crap every week, but won and even got promoted, I still, could not see the point to going to watch.
The point is to play entertaining football, but win and on that point I agree, I also agree really good teams, also win when they are playing badly
win..........
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Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:48
There are several posters who make comment about Wolves being unlucky, playing great football and also being one of the CCC's best sides even though we have already lost 3 games, are clearly stuggling at homejust nowand failing to convert domination and chances into winning results.It's almost as if playing pretty football is all that matters with the result being a secondary matter.
So a quick question for everyone.
Would you prefer to attenda game, home or away, watch Wolves play lovely football and lose or draw or would you prefer Wolves won even though the preformance was shall we say ugly?
I know what I'd prefer.
If you have the divisions top scorer playing for you up frontand as a team you score 7 away goals in two matches then I would say you are converting chances.
If you choose to forgot that becuase of an frustrating game that we were very unlucky to come away with 0 points from, then that is up to you.
We are 4th in the table and playing good football - some people will moan at anything.
RW, the point is that this nice football we play is not getting enough of the right results. Wolves have already lost 25% of the games we have played whilst not winning 50%. Our home form is poor. Yes we have just scored 7 away from home but no point in playing great away only to let our home form cost us as it is.
Templeton Peck
03-10-2005, 13:51
A good team don'tplay pretty football all the time but can attack in a number of different ways to give the opposition different kinds of problems. Chelsea are the best example of this I can think of.
Wolves have the players to be able to play through the middle, down the wings or long ball.The only way to start beating these$$$$$*y little teams with their 10 men behind the ball is to mix it up.
after the first ten minutes of fridays game i wouldn't call what i saw pretty football.
Lazy unprofessional football maybe, with players standing aound watching the ball and making no attempt to move into space or take any responsibility.
i dont want to see dull 1-0 affairs either, as already said not much point in going to see that. but i would liketo see players actually making an effort to find space.
Play good football and win. It can be done, its been done before and its a whole lot more satisfying when you watch good entertaining football and achieve your goals.
I'd rather be entertainedbyskillfulfootballersthan 11 donkeys hoofing the ball up field and hoping it goes between the posts. Each to their own though, I suppose it just depends on the level of your mentality!!
HazelGroveWolf
03-10-2005, 13:55
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
Looks to me like you are missing DJ. He got us promoted remember. smileys/smiley2.gif
Seriously though, if Hoodle keeps things as they are we will reap the rewards in due course. The luck will balance out. We've just had an inconsistant set of results, who knows, a decent run might be just around the corner. I would say that most promoted teams go through phases of good and indifferent points accumulation. The timing of these will be brought into focus more sharply if the occur at the start of the season. The end of season table masks the true nature of the seasons ups and downs.Edited by: HazelGroveWolf
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:56
after the first ten minutes of fridays game i wouldn't call what i saw pretty football.
Lazy unprofessional football maybe, with players standing aound watching the ball and making no attempt to move into space or take any responsibility.
i dont want to see dull 1-0 affairs either, as already said not much point in going to see that. but i would liketo see players actually making an effort to find space.
bod101, must admit I thought some of our passing on Friday was woeful with the ball either often being overhit or not having enough pace on it at all.Naylor was terrible in most all he did and whilst I back him most of the time I thought Friday he was a liability.
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 13:57
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
Looks to me like you are missing DJ. He got us promoted remember. smileys/smiley2.gif
Seriously though, if Hoodle keeps things as they are we will reap the rewards in due course. The luck will balance out. We've just had an inconsistant set of results, who knows, a decent run might be just around the corner. I would say that most promoted teams go through phases of good and indifferent points accumulation. The timing of these will be brought into focus more sharply if the occur at the start of the season. The end of season table masks the true nature of the seasons ups and downs.
Miss DJ FFS, yeah like like having surgery without anestheticsmileys/smiley2.gif
I hope things do balance out but they need to improve a lot to do so mate.
Bill McCai
03-10-2005, 13:57
after the first ten minutes of fridays game i wouldn't call what i saw pretty football.
Lazy unprofessional football maybe, with players standing aound watching the ball and making no attempt to move into space or take any responsibility.
i dont want to see dull 1-0 affairs either, as already said not much point in going to see that. but i would liketo see players actually making an effort to find space.
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FetishWolf
03-10-2005, 13:59
WIN WIN WIN smileys/smiley36.gif
paddingtonwolf
03-10-2005, 14:03
Firstly, we want to win. Everyone does, its natural.
However, we have a style that we wish to adhere to which matches the traditions of this club. We aren't cloggers. I for one would have found the football played by theAlbion in the year of the great choke hard to enthuse about as a supporter although the result in the end was what they wanted.smileys/smiley19.gif
peckhamwolf
03-10-2005, 14:06
As much as I hate to say it, I would give anything to be where Bolton are now and no-one would ever say they play pretty football.
I would. Have you actually watched Bolton this season?
The only player who ever lumps the ball long is Nikki Hunt. Their midfielders are skilful- Nakata, Speed, Okocha, Stelios, etc, Campo is the master of the long pass (although it seems when he plays the ball it's a long ball and when Beckham or Gerrard do it its a glorious cross-field pass smileys/smiley9.gif), his passes are accurate and to feet, on the occasions they do play the ball in the air, Diouf and Stelios play off Davies/Borgetti. Even their centre halves N'Gotty, Ben Haim and Jaidhi are comfortable on the ball. Just because they play long passes (to feet), are strong from set piecesand cross the ball does not mean they are a long ball team.
paddingtonwolf
03-10-2005, 14:08
peckham - you make them sound like Barcelona, which is I hope a touch over the top
scottishwolf II
03-10-2005, 14:13
PW (peckham not padders) - i think its JJs long throws that make
everyone think they play rubbish footy. that and the fact that they
dont back down, they play a good strong game, but then again - er
doesnt rooney? and who would say hes not good to watch?
Exile Wolf
03-10-2005, 14:15
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
If it would help us get promoted then I would settle for 0-0 away from home and 1-0 at home all season (see Liverpool team of the 70 and 80's)
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 14:43
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
If it would help us get promoted then I would settle for 0-0 away from home and 1-0 at home all season (see Liverpool team of the 70 and 80's)
Agree 100% and those sort of results gives you an average of 2 points per game, not the 1.5 and a bit Wolves have just now which isn't good enough to get promoted.Edited by: Essex Wolf
wolfie smith
03-10-2005, 15:10
other teams have got out of this division playing decent football why shouldnt we?
when the $$$$$ beat us to automatic all those years ago with 1-0 wins i bet you were saying i wouldnt want to watch boring 1-0 wins all the time.
everyone wants us to win as many games as we can, nobody is any different from you, yes sometimes we have to dig deeper and grind out results but on the whole i want us to play passing football on the ground to feet and into space, when ince is fit we will grind those results out until then hoddle has us playing to our strengths which isnt clogging it up front.
its a long season made even longer by the continuing i know everything im always right negative nonsense from a lot of posters on here
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 15:15
I have watched almost every sport that is played.. and for sheer excitement teams that come out attacking the hell out of their opponents are way more interesting to watch. When you are swarming anopponents goal, they havn't got time to organise brick walls against you. They are too busy trying to avoid their goalie getting killed.
Watching two teams clogging it up and down the field for 90 minutes hoping ours will be the one to get a lucky goal is not my idea of a fun day out.
I watched the Edmonton Oilers hockey team when they won five hockey championships in a row..the opposition was plainly cacking their pants before the first whistle was blown..this was because they knew they were in for a deluge of attacking players who would score a lot of goals.
We can watch 1-0 games any week in the Prem..this is why fans are leaving in droves. Two weeks ago even the pundits were complaining that watching Prem footy was like observing fruit flies mating.
If we can't get promoted let us at least have some excitement!! Anyone happy to watch boring football will soon find themselves amongst a massive crowd of 50 dozing in the sun. Edited by: Grizzled Wolf
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 15:18
WS, you are missing the point mate.
Of course I want to see us play nice football but there are times when all this fancy stuff doesn't work and our last 3 home games I do believe proves the matter in hand.
We seem to have a team of wimps unable to mix it up when mixing it up is needed. Instead we plug away, oh dear, with the same style which other managers know how to combat and that is exactly what happened Friday.
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 15:23
I have watched almost every sport that is played.. and for sheer excitement teams that come out attacking the hell out of their opponents are way more interesting to watch. When you are swarming anopponents goal, they havn't got time to organise brick walls against you. They are too busy trying to avoid their goalie getting killed.
Watching two teams clogging it up and down the field for 90 minutes hoping ours will be the one to get a lucky goal is not my idea of a fun day out.
I watched the Edmonton Oilers hockey team when they won five hockey championships in a row..the opposition was plainly cacking their pants before the first whistle was blown..this was because they knew they were in for a deluge of attacking players who would score a lot of goals.
We can watch 1-0 games any week in the Prem..this is why fans are leaving in droves. Two weeks ago even the pundits were complaining that watching Prem footy was like observing fruit flies mating.
If we can't get promoted let us at least have some excitement!! Anyone happy to watch boring football will soon find themselves amongst a massive crowd of 50 dozing in the sun.
Firstly Grizz glad you are back.
As regards your comments above, yesI agree with much of what you say and I'm not advocating Wolves become a team of cloggers at all but we need to know when playing the fancy stuff isn't working and hat getting stuck in needs to be the order of the day.
Don't know if you saw Friday's game but several of our passes were too short allowing Burnley to gain possesion because our players lacked mobility or ideas.
As regards the crowd size, well Grizz they are down at Molineux already and a few more home games like the last 3 will see us getting below 20000 IMV if sults don't improve and all he fancy fotbal in he world won't bring the fans back if results are poor.
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 15:24
Friday was a game that happens once every year..our lads were not that bad and had some cruel luck to go with it. Dropping a ton of coal on them every time they play a bad one is easy..no doubt there are many ready to do this at the drop of a hat.
It is harder to see that they gave it a good shot and didn't deserve to lose a point on Friday. The wimps mixed it up against Crewe and Stoke..and with a modicum of luck would have beaten Burnley also..what would you have been saying today if two of the many chances had gone in for us?
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 15:37
GW, fair comments from you as ever but ask many of those who attened the home games V's Millwall and Leicester what they thought.Ask them about the away games at Cardiff and Leeds.
I was away for the Millwall game but we were bloody awful by all accounts and from those other games mentioned we got what we deserved Grizz, very little my friend.
Yes we should have beaten Burnley and if you want to put it down to luck then okay we were unlucky but we cannot nor should we keep relying on luck Grizz.Wolves need to win because they deserved to and because we converted dominance into goals.Edited by: Essex Wolf
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 16:13
EW please take this post in the good spirit it is given...
Jumping all over the team every time they play a bad one won't helpwill itmate? I mean you criticise every single part of the Wolves organisation from the ball boys to the board..continually! From what you post anyone could be excused from thinking that the daily tirade of negative comments is often going beyond the rational.
You complain about the board not giving out money to Hoddle, when it is obvious that they have offered to cover whatever he wants. You complain about Hoddle and his tactics and failure to bring in players. You have a go at the team whenever they lose a game. I am at a loss to know what the club could do to please you oldbuddy?
If they win every game from now until April and bring in millions of dollars worth of new players inJanuary, firing all the board immediately..is that what you would like to see? I'm just trying tofigure outwhere exactly you stand in all of this?
Maybe if you could enumerate your own policies.. (not just a rehash of the old)..for the club showing how you would makereasonable changes, we could see what you have in mind? Give us something to think about buddy..a new post with your ideas and solutions and let usunderstand what would be feasible and possible..please! no negatives!smileys/smiley2.gif
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 18:31
GW, I never mind what you ost mate as I have a great deal of time for you mate.
As I so often say I use theMM to get out all my anger and frustration as it is better to do it on here than at a game so whilst I am nothappy on here it never effects my full backing of the team at a match.
Icomplained about the board long before GH took overand only had my views on them compounded by GH seemingly not getting any backing when he first got the job.Had he have been given a modicum of support we may?? have scraped a PO place last season.They lack foresight IMHO and certainly lack any idea when planning is needed.
My complaints re the tactics is that when they are not working we seem to have no plan B and "plugging away" doesn't always work Grizz. Change is needed but our players don't seem to hav alternatives to offer.
The main reason for my unhappiness with the club is that yet and once again the pre season planning has been poor, the squad has started the season not good enough lacking cover in several positions and certainly not enough quality cover in depth
That Grizz is all my ideas would ever be Grizz, be prepared, be ready and be organised.
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Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 18:43
As I so often say
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SirJohnRichards
03-10-2005, 18:46
Glad to see some are understanding my point.
I'm all for nice football but when the time is right and if playing ugly football helps get us promoted then I'll go for as ugly as it can be.
I agree there. Theres a time and a place for everything and this league is not it, when it comes to pretty football. All teams, players, managers who become truly successful can adapt their styles to meet the needs of the situation, whether that is to beat a specific team, win a one off game or get out of a particular league. What's the point in being attractively unsuccessful???
I'm quite prepared to be bored all the awy back to the Premiership. smileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gifsmileys/smiley32.gif
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 18:54
And reaching the Prem SJR was what I thought all Wolves fans wanted, seems maybe not though.
Once, or should I say if, we ever get back to the top flight then we can build and improve.
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 19:25
Essex old mate if you were writing a report for me on your departments future.. I would terminate you tomorrow morning. I was hoping you would give me ideas, facts and figures..not just what you would like to happen..but how you would go about achieving this.
Let us just take one thing..we can have a rough estimate that there is about 5 to 8 mill knocking around for future players. Now in your opinion what should happen?
1. Should we spend the lot right away and hopefully strengthen the team..bearing in mind that there will be very little left to further beef up the squad if we make the Prem!So the team that we buy in todaywill have to keep us upthere next year!
2. Should we go with the team we have now.. which on paper anyway has a decentchance of getting us up. Then use the money we have to attract excellent players who willgiveus a good chance of stayingup in the Prem?
This is the course that Hoddle has obviously taken..he is holding off on buying.. and banking that this team will get us promoted leaving him with a decent cash positionand the Prem to attract top men.
From what you say you would spend the money now and possibly get us promoted ..but then what?In your opinion would the proposed EW team keep us up there? Or would it be another nightmare of shattering defeats until we dropped back here again with no money and screwed up players?
The other point to consider is this..if we hold off buying new players to hopefully get us promoted..we will still have some good funds next season for another crack at it! Not what everyonemight want..but nevertheless better than standing here next April with our kecks around our ankles..with no money and still in theFizzy league.
To sum up..we can throw the whole lot into the pot and maybe we will get promoted..with no money left for anything. Or we can have faith in the present team to do a job for us..leaving us in a solvent position come what may!! I know what my choice is!
Or there's the middle ground... add a player or two, but try to keep money back for a later date as well. Doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.Edited by: Mutchy
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 19:38
Or there's the middle ground... add a player or two, but try to keep money back for a later date as well. Doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.
I could live with that if they were loaners!!
Essex Wolf
03-10-2005, 19:49
Okay Grizz here goes but firstly let me just say that should GH spend no money this season then I do not think nor imagine for a minute this will be held over and become available the following season. It will most likely be put to one side to cover for increased costs and smallerS/T sales.
Howeveras regards your points GW:
1. Should we spend the lot right away and hopefully strengthen the team..bearing in mind that there will be very little left to further beef up the squad if we make the Prem!So the team that we buy in todaywill have to keep us upthere next year!
No mate we should not spend the lot straight away but as it is we haven't spent a single penny as yet. IMHO we should have acquired cover for Naylor, who for me had a poor game Friday night, and as shown inconsistency far too often already this season.We should also have gone all out to find cover come replacement for Ince. That GW would mean only two signings above who we have already signed and cover for LN and Ince has been needed a long long while now. It is not something the club have only just found out about.
2. Should we go with the team we have now.. which on paper anyway has a decentchance of getting us up. Then use the money we have to attract excellent players who willgiveus a good chance of stayingup in the Prem?
Problem is Grizz will these excellant players want to join us if Wolves are nowhere near an auto promotion slot and the board do not adopt a better policy/attiude than our last brief Prem spell? And you are of course assuming that the curent squad will of course gain promotion.The games I have seen to date smack of a squad that is very inconsistent.
So if as you suggest GH has gone for option 2 then he is making a massive assumption that on current form is simply not working Grizz.Curent stats ndicate that Wolves will get 73 points, that is not enough to gaurantee promotion and at best might??? scrape usPO place when it's just pot luck and a lottery IMHO.
So Grizz I am not for a second advocating Wolves blow all their money in one go but to have spent more wisely before he season started giving us a better squad than what we have right now and then come january, and if needs be, sign another couple of decent players to push us on. If we fail to go up then we still have a decent squad for next season.As it is failure this season will see many of our best players going.
I have already answered your comment re holding back and having the funds for next year.If anything funds will be less with the inevitable string of excuses trotted out as to why.
I fully agree we need to stay solvent but we likewise need to show ambition and commitment to wanting success. Again wise spending pre season would not leave us broke now or later, would have seen a better squad on offer and not see GH scratching about for last minute oan deals now.
This is the course that Hoddle has obviously
taken..he is holding off on buying.. and banking that this team will
get us promoted leaving him with a decent cash positionand the
Prem to attract top men.
Not so.
Hoddle DID want to buy but for various reasons we weren't successful in bringing in the players he wanted.
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 21:06
This is the course that Hoddle has obviously taken..he is holding off on buying.. and banking that this team will get us promoted leaving him with a decent cash positionand the Prem to attract top men.
Not so.
Hoddle DID want to buy but for various reasons we weren't successful in bringing in the players he wanted.
I know you don't believe that!! If he had wanted to buy they would be in the team now. Hoddle had more than enough money, enough contacts and enough players to choose from..unless he was waiting for a Trevor Brooking clone priced at 40p a stone!!
Grizzled, I KNOW Hoddle wanted to buy certain players but he was too
fussy. He didn't have enough targets because he was on the look out for
'perfect' players. He also set HIMSELF a limit to what HE would pay for
his targets.
That is what Hoddle chose to do. It's his bed, he's got to lie in it.
On the evidence of Crewe and Stoke he got it spot on, he was unlucky
against Burnley.
SSW,
I take it that the names of these targets has not been revealed, other than the obvious.
19th Holer
03-10-2005, 22:41
I'd rather take a chance on this team getting promoted playing football (with a few slight adjustments) rather than the Megson styleapproach.If we'd lost to Stoke but beaten Crewe and Burnley would there be this level of disquiet ?
peckhamwolf
03-10-2005, 23:29
why does everyone think we should be walking the league anyway?
we ain't exactly Chelsea.
We have some good players, many of whom aren't as good as we seem to think they are, and many of whom aren't as bad as we think they are. They are playing a new style of football, which will be good in the long run but isn't going to get perfect results over night. We aren't good enough to go a season unbeaten and will lose some games, not the end of the world.
HazelGroveWolf
03-10-2005, 23:39
why does everyone think we should be walking the league anyway?
we ain't exactly Chelsea.
We have some good players, many of whom aren't as good as we seem to think they are, and many of whom aren't as bad as we think they are. They are playing a new style of football, which will be good in the long run but isn't going to get perfect results over night. We aren't good enough to go a season unbeaten and will lose some games, not the end of the world.
Common sense at last.
why does everyone think we should be walking the league anyway?
We're overachieving as far as I'm concerned. I predicted ninth!
Grizzled Wolf
03-10-2005, 23:54
Grizzled, I KNOW Hoddle wanted to buy certain players but he was too fussy. He didn't have enough targets because he was on the look out for 'perfect' players. He also set HIMSELF a limit to what HE would pay for his targets.
That is what Hoddle chose to do. It's his bed, he's got to lie in it. On the evidence of Crewe and Stoke he got it spot on, he was unlucky against Burnley.
I have to bow to your insider knowledge SSW..I didn't have thoseFACTS at my finger tips.
Black Suit
04-10-2005, 00:07
Watching two teams clogging it up and down the field for 90 minutes...........
Grizz, that's what we had when Bully was here mate. It was marvellous.
Black Suit
04-10-2005, 00:15
This is the course that Hoddle has obviously taken..he is holding off on buying.. and banking that this team will get us promoted leaving him with a decent cash positionand the Prem to attract top men.
The other point to consider is this..if we hold off buying new players to hopefully get us promoted..we will still have some good funds next season for another crack at it! Not what everyonemight want..but nevertheless better than standing here next April with our kecks around our ankles..with no money and still in theFizzy league.
To sum up..we can throw the whole lot into the pot and maybe we will get promoted..with no money left for anything. Or we can have faith in the present team to do a job for us..leaving us in a solvent position come what may!! I know what my choice is!
Hold off any purchases and not getting promoted, losing all of the best players and having to start from scratch doesn't appeal either Grizz.
Black Suit
04-10-2005, 00:19
Grizzled, I KNOW Hoddle wanted to buy certain players but he was too fussy. He didn't have enough targets because he was on the look out for 'perfect' players. He also set HIMSELF a limit to what HE would pay for his targets.
Either that, or he would have had to takea salary cut to stay within the budgetary constraints of the club? A fantastic salary for marginal return in my opinion.
If he gets promotion, he will have equalled DJ's effort. OK he may not have spent the money, but he is using the resources that were purchased.
Some say we are playing better, but we have played more exciting football under Jones. I just hope that our trend of improving after Christmas continues this season.Edited by: Black Suit
HazelGroveWolf
04-10-2005, 00:30
why does everyone think we should be walking the league anyway?
We're overachieving as far as I'm concerned. I predicted ninth!
I knew it wouldn't last, you agreeing with me.smileys/smiley2.gif
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 11:16
why does everyone think we should be walking the league anyway?
We're overachieving as far as I'm concerned. I predicted ninth!
SSW, are you saying that we will finish 9th with the squad we now have because if so things are worse than I thought?
[QUOTE=SSW]if so things are worse than I thought?
Please god noooooooooooooooooooooooo!smileys/smiley5.gif
paddingtonwolf
04-10-2005, 11:59
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nurse - pass the valium
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 13:25
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nurse - pass the valium
If we finish 9th, or outside the PO zone, then I suggest the board should all be put on Valium, it might actually wake them up a bit.smileys/smiley2.gifEdited by: Essex Wolf
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nurse - pass the valium
If we finish 9th, or outside the PO zone, then I suggest the board should all be put on Valium, it might actually wake them up a bit.smileys/smiley2.gif
Yawn... no doubt you totally ignored SSW's post about the lack of new signings too.....
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 15:36
If Hoddle..as I always thought..HAD the opportunity to buy in skilled players and didn't do so..it does not alter the fact that he decided on a course of sticking with what he has got and hoping for promotion.
The outcome is the same no matter what spin is put on it. I still believe that he decided to keep the money he had available in August..to spend next May..or if we are doing well perhaps in January. It seems the logical thing to do!
He could have soothed the ruffled feathers of those who constantly need new blood in the team..leaving himself with zippo to spend in the future. Hoping he would put together a team strong enough to stay up in the Prem..or not!
Or go for broke with this team and possibly a loaner or two around Xmas time. This still looks the prudent course of action to me..a lifetime of tears and sorrow has taught me toNEVER put all my eggs in one basket. That way madness lies and only pure gamblers do that!
Hoddle is saving the best for last!
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 15:52
A couple of good loan signings now GW would be a wise move all round IMO and come January besides knowing how well those signings have or haven't done Wolves will be in a position to decide one way or another what they wish to do.
Mutchy, yup read what SSW had to say but I'll believe things when they happen and not just because someone who knows someone who said this that and the other made a comment or has supposed insider info.
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:05
A couple of good loan signings now GW would be a wise move all round IMO and come January besides knowing how well those signings have or haven't done Wolves will be in a position to decide one way or another what they wish to do.
I agree with that mate..it wouldn't hurt at this moment in time to get a couple in. Look at things this way...whatever happens between now and next May, it is going to be interesting and exciting. And when the dust settles whether we are promoted or not..we will still have the cash to re-structure the team for the new season coming.
If we hadspent the whole caboodle last August things would be looking pretty bleak next May..no money to field a stronger team in the Prem or.. no money to improve the team for another shot at it next year.
We are always saying that this board never plans ahead..maybe..just maybe..Hoddle has done it for them?
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:13
A couple of good loan signings now GW would be a wise move all round IMO and come January besides knowing how well those signings have or haven't done Wolves will be in a position to decide one way or another what they wish to do.
I agree with that mate..it wouldn't hurt at this moment in time to get a couple in. Look at things this way...whatever happens between now and next May, it is going to be interesting and exciting. And when the dust settles whether we are promoted or not..we will still have the cash to re-structure the team for the new season coming.
If we hadspent the whole caboodle last August things would be looking pretty bleak next May..no money to field a stronger team in the Prem or.. no money to improve the team for another shot at it next year.
We are always saying that this board never plans ahead..maybe..just maybe..Hoddle has done it for them?
You may and could well be right GW and no matter what I'll still be there cheering them on no matter what but I'd feel a whole lot happier if the board came out and said any funds unspent now will be available for the next season.
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:21
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You may and could well be right GW and no matter what I'll still be there cheering them on no matter what but I'd feel a whole lot happier if the board came out and said any funds unspent now will be available for the next season.
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Well if there is any pussyfooting around in that respect Essex.. I will be right alongside you holding their feet to the fire!! Let's not worry about that until if or when ithappens buddy!
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:24
You may and could well be right GW and no matter what I'll still be there cheering them on no matter what but I'd feel a whole lot happier if the board came out and said any funds unspent now will be available for the next season.
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Well if there is any pussyfooting around in that respect Essex.. I will be right alongside you holding their feet to the fire!! Let's not worry about that until if or when ithappens buddy!
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Grizz,I'll hold you to that mate.smileys/smiley2.gif
Deutsch Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:29
I'd feel a whole lot happier if the board came out and said any funds unspent now will be available for the next season.
Why would they say that without knowing which division we'll be in? If we stay down, we're around £7m a year lighter due to no parachute money. It'd be like me saying "I may have no job in three weeks time, but I'll spend my savings on a Ferrari now".
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:36
[/QUOTE] ........It'd be like me saying "I may have no job in three weeks time, but I'll spend my savings on a Ferrari now".[/QUOTE]
Jesus H that brings back memories...smileys/smiley36.gif
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:41
DW, if the money is there for GH to spend now as such then all I'm saying is that it would be good to know if he doesn't spend it now then the manager will have it for another day.Whilst it sits in the bank it's making money and we already know about future lost revenue if promotion is not achieved and the club will have planned for this??????
Any funds there now will be be there next season if unspent so the board saying it will still be available is not such a big thing.
Put simplisticly DW if the money is spent in the next transfer window it will be gone and if it's not spent then why would it not be available later, unless of course you know of where else it could go?Edited by: Essex Wolf
paddingtonwolf
04-10-2005, 16:43
OK - why don't we shout from the rooftops the size of our warchest a la Wigan?
Instantly all the prices go up and we are in another golden tit situation.
There's sensible like
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:48
PW,not suggesting that either mate but if money in the future is to be tight should promotion not be ours then planning isa must.
Nothing wrong with thinking ahead.
paddingtonwolf
04-10-2005, 16:51
maybe they are Essex, maybe they are - they have no obligation to tell you or I anything more than they reveal in the accounts Edited by: paddingtonwolf
Essex Wolf
04-10-2005, 16:52
True mate.
Mutchy, yup read what SSW had to say but I'll believe things when they happen and not just because someone who knows someone who said this that and the other made a comment or has supposed insider info.
I can back up what SSW said too. But you keep insisting on making assumptions from false beliefs....which of course is your prerogative.
If Hoddle..as I always thought..HAD the opportunity to buy in skilled players and didn't do so..it does not alter the fact that he decided on a course of sticking with what he has got and hoping for promotion.
The outcome is the same no matter what spin is put on it. I still believe that he decided to keep the money he had available in August..to spend next May..or if we are doing well perhaps in January. It seems the logical thing to do!
Glenn tried to buy and failed. He still has that money because he could not get the players he targeted. Efforts were still being made right up to the end of deadline day - that doesn't sound like a manager who made a conscious decision not to add new players at that time.
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 19:33
[/QUOTE] Glenn tried to buy and failed. He still has that money because he could not get the players he targeted. Efforts were still being made right up to the end of deadline day - that doesn't sound like a manager who made a conscious decision not to add new players at that time.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that at all...there were.. and still are many players who could have improved the side no end. It sounds more like a manager who wasn't too crazy about spending any money above a bargain basement amount.
Sure he would have added new players if they fitted into a strict financialdiscipline..but if you make that discipline too strict then nothing will happen.
I am not blaming him for that attitude, it is probably the right one under the circumstances..but to insinuate that Hoddle was fighting to the death to bring in new faces and nobody would come, is too naive for my blood.
Theseven figurebids were made... Hoddle tried to spend, he was very precise with his targets but failed to get them.
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 20:06
Theseven figurebids were made... Hoddle tried to spend, he was very precise with his targets but failed to get them.
I guess none of us will ever know the truth until he writes his memoirs!
I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't true.
Grizzled Wolf
04-10-2005, 20:13
I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't true.
I am sure you wouldn't have..
OldWolvesfart
04-10-2005, 20:43
My money is still on Hoddle, had to suffer the smash and grab tactics of
Burnley but he will learn from every game.
Apart from the old Wolves injury jinx he has, I am sure, bought soundly
and we will reap the rewards in a couple of months. To be honest Hoddle
as a new manager with a past but also recognised abilitity has taken on a
club with a proven record of under achieving apart from one season in
the premiership. If anyone has a problem with Hoddle I would like to
hear their options for his replacement along with their opinions of how he
would achieve more than Hoddle has in the short time he has had as
manager at this moment in time of October 2005.
We were walking in paradise, never did tumble. Blind in the Buddha land,
looking for trouble.
We had been told of a place far beyond this vale of tears.
We could never have guessed, we were already blessed.
There we were, where we are, in the garden, in the garden.
My money is still on Hoddle, had to suffer the smash and grab tactics of
Burnley but he will learn from every game.
Apart from the old Wolves injury jinx he has, I am sure, bought soundly
and we will reap the rewards in a couple of months. To be honest Hoddle
as a new manager with a past but also recognised abilitity has taken on a
club with a proven record of under achieving apart from one season in
the premiership. If anyone has a problem with Hoddle I would like to
hear their options for his replacement along with their opinions of how he
would achieve more than Hoddle has in the short time he has had as
manager at this moment in time of October 2005.
We were walking in paradise, never did tumble. Blind in the Buddha land,
looking for trouble.
We had been told of a place far beyond this vale of tears.
We could never have guessed, we were already blessed.
There we were, where we are, in the garden, in the garden.
very sensible post....
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