View Full Version : Good bit of business Wolves.
From today's paper:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,1527,1583485 ,00.html
Meanwhile we are left with a wantaway striker who has made it clear he is going to tart himself around in January......
Excellent work, Moxey.
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scottishwolf II
03-10-2005, 09:33
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You wannabe idiot.
The Camara deal was obviouslygood business, you arejust too stupid to comprehend it.
paddingtonwolf
03-10-2005, 09:49
the real ulven would never lower himself to slang such as "tart himself around" - must try harder
19th Holer
03-10-2005, 09:50
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From today's paper:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,1527,1583485 ,00.html
Meanwhile we are left with a wantaway striker who has made it clear he is going to tart himself around in January......
Excellent work, Moxey.
What was your point of view with regards to another wantaway player ...... I wonder?
Didn't a certain Mr Rat wantaway or have you forgotten?
You really are not worth the effort!
Take the space out of the link to get it to work by the way.
Wolves grandstanded on Camara as a way for the board to avoid criticism
of their failure to back Jones after promotion. And scuppered any
chance of holding onto a star player.
Moxey screwed up selling Miller when he had the chance, (twice by the
way), by trying to get a bit more money. Now we are left with a striker
who has declared publicly that he will be on his way and is open to
offers!!!!! A great boost for team morale of course.
All this was predicted long ago. It is so predictable as to be pathetic in fact.
Flitwick Wolf
03-10-2005, 10:22
All players are open to offers.
Wolves grandstanded on Camara as a way for the board to avoid criticism of their failure to back Jones after promotion. And scuppered any chance of holding onto a star player.
Moxey screwed up selling Miller when he had the chance, (twice by the way), by trying to get a bit more money. Now we are left with a striker who has declared publicly that he will be on his way and is open to offers!!!!! A great boost for team morale of course.
All this was predicted long ago. It is so predictable as to be pathetic in fact.
You do have a point, about the lack of support for Jones and the Moxey/Miller scenario. The Camara issue is a no-brainer, the **** is deluded andhas no loyalty and will again be exposed as such when the Wigan honeymoon period ends - about November time when it gets cold and he has to wear his gloves.
But as the going gets tough for youon this thread, don't resort to disparaging petty name calling that your threads descend into, real ulven or not.
EasternWolf
03-10-2005, 11:57
Football is a business, but "business" in a simple sense does not really describe the need to balance between the value of a player to the team and his value on the open market. If Kenny Miller stays for this season and his contribution gets us into the Premiership, then he will have added value far beyond his selling price at the beginning of this season.From a financial perspective, itwill not matter one iota if he goes for nothing after that.
Camara refused to play. Nobody can deny the wonderful piece of "business" conducted by Jez Moxey in that situation. In fact, Camara had a second opportunity to change his mind at the beginning of the season, but decided to go to Wigan where he is playing brilliantly.He knew, Hoddle knew and Moxey knew that, given the response of the fans to his "return", he could not stay even if he had had a complete change of heart.
Comparing the Miller situation and that of Camara is nonsense. Kenny is playing out of his socks for the team because he has nothing against Wolves per se, he wants to get selected for Scotlandand he wants to put himself in the shop window for when his contract runs out at Wolves. This is an honest and honourable approach by Kenny who, for the very best of reasons,wants to return to Scotland if he can, or at least further North. He should be applauded for this as well as his contribution to the team.
As for Camara? Well he is doing what he said he wanted to do and is an emerging star in the Premiership. Maybe, just maybe, our manager at the time lacked the personal qualities to persuade Henri to stay. Good luck to him. We have moved on and so has he. Thats life, innit?
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-10-2005, 11:59
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I AM Spartacus.
EasternWolf
03-10-2005, 12:05
Welcome Spartacus. Thumbs up to you, pal.
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-10-2005, 12:07
well that's a surprise. Back comes Ulven?? when we have had a bad
result to try to have another pop at Miller. Shock....horror.....Hands
up who takes this pastryman seriously.
An excellent post Eastern. smileys/smiley32.gif
EasternWolf
03-10-2005, 12:16
Thanks Kenny ...as long as you dont say "great post ...err Eastern" it will be ok (Grizz is back)
Will try to remember that. smileys/smiley36.gif
I think we as fans benefit from the present situation. If, the club had sold Miller to Sunnerlan, the present mindset means the money would have sat in the bank account without a replacement being found as all of our players were good enough, at the time, apparently. So we would have been a player less. Instead, we are seeing a player work his tabs off tomaximise his next signing on fee at one of the Lancashire basedPremier clubs.
I disagree Sheargar and your point goes to the heart of why.
If Wolves had moved on Miller when they had the chance then they would
have also had time to find a good replacement, eg someone like Lita who
would have come to Wolves but got tired of waiting around.
A player who would have been commited to the club and on a long term contract!!!
Miller, meanwhile, goes on missing vital chances and will soon have his mind on other things.
Its about time the board were held to account for such a woeful piece of judgement.
at the time i thought we should get rid to sunderland and now he's done
what he always would do (i didnt think he would go public so soon
though tbh) lets hope he doesnt start to give petulant, childish 70%
performances when he's signed a pre contract agreement with rangers or
hearts.
i say sell him in jan for 500k, if there are any takers and if he hasnt already agreed to go elsewhere for $$$$ all.
paddingtonwolf
03-10-2005, 17:16
Lita who would have come to Wolves but got tired of waiting around.
A player who would have been commited to the club and on a long term contract!!!
Miller, meanwhile, goes on missing vital chances and will soon have his mind on other things.
Its about time the board were held to account for such a woeful piece of judgement.
evidence on Lita's interest in Molineux, the length of contract he was definitely going to sign, Miller having his mind on other things, Miller missing vital chances recently (ie v Burnley when Cort seemed to miss rather more), the Board having woeful judgement, and you actually being ulven would all be gratefully appreciated.Edited by: paddingtonwolf
Professional
03-10-2005, 19:31
We should have sold Miller for 1.5 million when Sunderland made their last offer. A stupid decision by Moxey- idiotic in fact.
If we had sold him we would have had to have signed another striker- well, knowing us- perhaps notsmileys/smiley7.gif
Turn down £1.5m and he scores 20+ goals to get us help promoted which would earn us £15m+. Yes, how idiotic of Moxey.
Anyone who has seen us play without Miller knows how important he is to the system we play.
Anyone would think we were offered £15m for him in the summer and unless we are offered £1m+ in January I wouldn't bother selling him.
Anyone would think we were offered £15m for him in the summer and unless we are offered £1m+ in January I wouldn't bother selling him.
The problem is, he is touting himself around Jockland inviting clubs to approach him in January. So say he signs a precontract with Rangers/Hearts ala Muscat, does anybody really expect him to carrying onbusting agut for Wolves cause till the end of the season, running the risk of injury for a possible World Cup campaign, running the risk of not being fit for next season and be available forthe deposit of his big fat signing on fee into his Bank of Scotland account.
Of course, we should of sold him, we should sell him. But the problem is the club wouldn't and will not buy an adequate replacement costing £'s, Wolves will be one player less off the staff, a further cost saving. So IMO at the present situation is best to hold onto him than have absolutely no player at all.Edited by: Shergar
captain scarlet
03-10-2005, 20:15
I agree we seem to have messed up on the Miller situation. We need him to get us up but will lose him at the end of the season and if he has a pre contract deal he isn't going to bother about us.
Interesting to see in a paper yesterday that Camara says he will only stay at Wigan if they stay up. If not then he will be asking to leave. Nothing changed there then.
Anyone would think we were offered £15m for him in the summer and unless we are offered £1m+ in January I wouldn't bother selling him.
The problem is, he is touting himself around Jockland inviting clubs to approach him in January. So say he signs a precontract with Rangers/Hearts ala Muscat, does anybody really expect him to carrying on$busting a$gut for Wolves cause till the end of the season, running the risk of injury for a possible World Cup campaign, running the risk of not being fit for next season and be available for$the deposit of his big fat signing on fee into his Bank of Scotland account.$
Of course, we should of sold him, we should sell him. But the problem is the club wouldn't and will not buy an adequate replacement costing £'s, Wolves will be one player less off the staff, a further cost saving. So IMO at the present situation is best to hold onto him than have absolutely no player at all.$
I don't care if he's touting himself round Real Madrid/AC Milan/Chelsea as long as he continues to play the way he is. There's no doubt he's performing like he is because he wants a move, but we should use him to our advantage. He scores the goals to get us promoted, we have Premiership status to get ourselves a higher quality replacement and Miller gets his move up north - everyone's happy.
Janson Wolf
03-10-2005, 20:36
As previously mentioned Wolves without Miller have been poor as he generates movement up front, therefore even if he isn't scoring himself chances are created for others.
Whilst I accept Miller may lose interest in January between now and then he is playing for a contract and the performances he put's in will either get us to the top or keep us in touching distance (all being well). Then if he does signa pre contract we have the whole window to find a replacement and we'll be a whole lot more attractive challenging for promotion then struggling. All in all I think we're fair stronger having kept Miller then being a player less. IMO
Professional
03-10-2005, 20:55
Turn down £1.5m and he scores 20+ goals to get us help promoted which would earn us £15m+. Yes, how idiotic of Moxey.
Anyone who has seen us play without Miller knows how important he is to the system we play.
Anyone would think we were offered £15m for him in the summer and unless we are offered £1m+ in January I wouldn't bother selling him.
Utterly missed the point. If he had been sold- perhaps we would have had our hand forced into signing an adequate replacement, and this mess of a situation wouldn't be the way it is now.
If he is not sold in Jan- can you really see him going for 50/50 balls in the box if it will result in a bad injury and him missing out on a transfer? Yeah right.
I agree with the Pro, it's got Muscat II written all over it. We need to beat some no mark team near the end of the season at Molineux to guarantee an unlikely promotion place, Miller calmly walks over to his marker and promptly headbutts him. We lose 0-1 and bang goes promotion. Next stop the play-offs, where we lose to a rampant Norwich. smileys/smiley6.gif
There are some rather silly assumptions being made on this thread.
I don't remember Alex Rae pulling out of challenges before he left to
join Rangers, in fact the general concensus was that he should have
been voted Player of the Season!
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when it became clear he was leaving, rae was dropped.
I think it's you that's missing the point. For the money that was offered who could we have replaced him with? Lita maybe, but he's unproven at this level. Any suggestions?
"Mess of a situation" - are you for real? A striker playing possibly the best football of his career.
"If he is not sold in Jan- can you really see him going for 50/50 balls in the box if it will result in a bad injury and him missing out on a transfer?" - If he hasnt got a move by the end of January he will be in exactly the same situation as he is now.
when it became clear he was leaving, rae was dropped.
Bit of a moot point there, was Paul Butler dropped?
It became clear that Rae was leaving when we refused to offer him a contract until the end of the season. The non-offer read, "Dear Alex, you may be one of our best players, but if we stay in the Premier League we are going to drop you like a hot potatoe. Love Jez".
If he hasnt got a move by the end of January he will be in exactly the same situation as he is now.
not strictly correct. he could sign a pre contract with rangers or
hearts in January but still be at Wolves until June. its not really an
ideal scenario for the club and is one of the reasons why we should
have sold him and bought somebody else in. Lets not forget we had 3.3M
for Camara plus the 1-1.5M we would have got for Miller for a
replacement. if Miller had gone we probably would now have Rasiak,
because the club would have had to find a replacement sooner without
the fannying around..
which is what some were arguing for at the time.
Professional
03-10-2005, 21:25
I think it's you that's missing the point. For the money that was offered who could we have replaced him with? Lita maybe, but he's unproven at this level. Any suggestions?
"Mess of a situation" - are you for real? A striker playing possibly the best football of his career.
"If he is not sold in Jan- can you really see him going for 50/50 balls in the box if it will result in a bad injury and him missing out on a transfer?" - If he hasnt got a move by the end of January he will be in exactly the same situation as he is now.
1. That is Hoddle/ Moxey's job.
2. Of course it is a mess- that is why we are debating this for Christ's sake.
3. After Jan it won't be the same situation. It will the big countdown until he gets his big signing on fee and transfer.Many players have been in a similar situation and let their clubs down.
All this could have been avoided.
when it became clear he was leaving, rae was dropped.
Bit of a moot point there, was Paul Butler dropped?
It became clear that Rae was leaving when we refused to offer him a
contract until the end of the season. The non-offer read, "Dear Alex,
you may be one of our best players, but if we stay in the Premier
League we are going to drop you like a hot potatoe. Love Jez".
Butler hadn't signed a pre contract agreement with another club in january though. bit of a difference imo.
He said if he hadn't got a move by the end of january, i was under the impression he mean pre-contract too. So until he gets that he will continue to play the way he is.
The only way we will lose out is if we dont get promoted, if he helps us into the premiership we will be able to get a higher quality replacement. It's a gamble but I think we did the right thing.
rm,
If the team that Butler supported as a boy (that he had always wanted to play for), had come up with a contract, then he would have signed a pre-contract. We should have re-signed Rae before he even thought about his retirement to Rangers reserves.
2. Of course it is a mess- that is why we are debating this for Christ's sake.
It's not as big a mess as you're making it out to be, we took a gamble on keeping him in the hope we got promoted. We obviously wont know until May whether it was worth taking.
We couldn't take the risk of letting Miller go in the summer because on
the evidence of last summer for one reason and another it is very
difficult to bring players IN.
Ganea was unfit, so was Ndah, Camara was off, Clarke is still raw,
which would have left Cort as the only real first choice striker.
It's a very tricky situation but I reckon that Wolves have done the right thing with Miller thus far.
rm,
If the team that Butler supported as a boy (that he had always
wanted to play for), had come up with a contract, then he would have
signed a pre-contract. We should have re-signed Rae before he even
thought about his retirement to Rangers reserves.
yeah butler would have done but that didnt happen, he was still
looking for a contract at wolves until the end of the season, thats why
he wasnt dropped but rae was. i agree with you about resigning rae, he
was a big miss for us last season.
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Leicesterwolf
03-10-2005, 23:37
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Gentlemen,
Surely, the real point here is that Hoddle said we needed another striker. To date we have not signed one. Never mind the tackling mid-fielder.
The last we heard after the Anderton injury was we were going to try and get a mid-fielder in on loan. Who? Where? When ? There are players, internationals, with champions league , played majority of games in top leagues that were offered to Wolves I believe that prompted us to sit on our hands.
Look at Palace tonight, they have signed a) Clinton Morrison and b) Jobi McAnuffand c) Mario Reich Thefinal oneis an interesting .
Apparently had his heart set on a move back to Werder Bremen to break into the Germany 2006 squad . We were fixated with Rasiak and Idiakez and missed the point yet again.
They have Andy Johnson, their star player injured, and yet in my eyes at least look better balanced (except for a couple of comedy full backs tongiht where they do have injuries at the moment) than we do at the moment. More importantly, when push comes to shove I'll bet you that there firepower and ability to suck out results will count.
Reich scored two quality goals tonight from what I saw.
I repeat we are scarily short of options in certain positions (e.g. if Miller got injured) Whereas I see Palace strengthening, Sheff Utd buying by the dozen, even dear old Norwich/QPR etc.etc.
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