Bickering.

[bod101]

a notice to the those you who like to continually bicker and spoil perfectly good threads, at the moment I (and i imagine the other mods) havent got time to wade through all the utter pointless crap that is being posted, but at the rate things are going i am going to have to go on banning spree to try and clean things up so if you dont want this to happen clean up your acts.

I also dont want to see this thread go the same way either.

[Hatch End Wolf]

Why can't we have designated "bickering" threads?

[A wanderer from Bristol]

Agree with you bod, well said
How about we have discussion threads?

[Ogerp]

Links please.

[Mugwump]

There will always be bickering because certain posters cannont stand people having a different opinion to the one they have so they resort to insults and petty name calling.

[Devil's Slide Wolf]

There will always be bickering because certain posters cannont stand people having a different opinion to the one they have so they resort to insults and petty name calling.
No there won't, I don't like the way you think, you're so cluess;):D

[Mugwump]

shhhh.....quiet you :p

[fullmoon]

Why do we have to insult one and another? After all we are Wolves fans.
Agreed Bod. ;)

[Del Boy]

It's obvious who the quality and informative posters are, and obvious on those that come on here just to stir things up, always negative about Wolves etc

[Mutchy]

It's obvious who the quality and informative posters are, and obvious on those that come on here just to stir things up, always negative about Wolves etc

Thats not the point at all Del Boy. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, its how some - both positive and negative posters - choose to put those opinions across thats the problem.

[Toshyboy]

I am a new poster but have been reading this forum for months. Debates quickly transcend into arguing and throws people off the point of the thread.

Opinions are bandied about as fact. Subjective posts are taken too literally by over-sensitive people whose issues are with each other rather than trying to advance a debate rationally.

I know the mods already have a difficult job but on other forums threads are quickly locked and deleted when they go off-topic and people are banned for far less than what i read on here.

[ice cream head]

Thats not the point at all Del Boy. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, its how some - both positive and negative posters - choose to put those opinions across thats the problem.

You're seriously trying to tell people how to express themselves? Unbelievable.

[Mutchy]

Not unless it involved insults, name calling etc, no.

[crocos]

I am a new poster but have been reading this forum for months. Debates quickly transcend into arguing and throws people off the point of the thread.

Opinions are bandied about as fact. Subjective posts are taken too literally by over-sensitive people whose issues are with each other rather than trying to advance a debate rationally.

I know the mods already have a difficult job but on other forums threads are quickly locked and deleted when they go off-topic and people are banned for far less than what i read on here.

Not far wrong really. And it's a shame to see. This site has the potential to be, and sometimes still actually is, way way WAY better than the average football-blagging site.

But with so many threads quickly ending up limping along as a series of lamentably lame & lacklustre oneupmanship shows, it's losing much of what it could, and should, be.

And the protagonists in this rubbish aren't even any good at it. I mean we all remember the fireworks with Ulven / BAWS / LIQ et al, but at least there was a bit of class & wit in their rantings (well, sometimes anyway!)

I'm certain there's a lot of old posters who've moved on elsewhere in despair, and also probably a number of would-be decent posters who read the board but avoid posting cos of the way most threads end up. A real shame.

Please some people, get a grip on yourselves. And any would-be decent posters reading but not posting, please, join in and help lift this place back up again.

[Bankswolf II]

I used to post quite a fair bit and be on here loads but i got to admit the slanging matches and the way one persons opinion is ripped apart from those who can't understand anyones point of view minus their own

It gets to the point that i reckon if some people on here actully met up their would be an all out brawl on the streets

[Sharples]

Too much history between certain posters for that to ever happen...

[Toshyboy]

Crocos - i agree, I used to refer my non-Wolves-fan friends to the threads on this site as often the discussion was well rounded and with decent opinions.

Now they always ask me to go through the threads and forward them on so that they can mock at how quickly a debate can transcend into something so petty.

It is a shame. I know a lot of non-Wolves people who read this site to read about the general non-wolves debates i.e. England, top goalscorers, threats in this league, transfer rumours etc but slowly they are now giving up and going elsewhere.

[Tettenhallian]

You'll never stop it - this thing is bicker than all of us!

[Kenny-11]

Too much history between certain posters for that to ever happen...

yokel

[Del Woppio]

You'll never stop it - this thing is bicker than all of us!

No poster is bicker than the board.

[ROVERT47]

The Bicker they are, the harder they will fall.

[Devil's Slide Wolf]

I like this place BECAUSE of the occasional flame war. and I picture Essex as an 80s Sam Fox type hottie in uniform ;-)

[Essex Wolf]

I like this place BECAUSE of the occasional flame war. and I picture Essex as an 80s Sam Fox type hottie in uniform ;-)

Umm, are you okay DSW?;)

[Deutsch Wolf]

I thought this was Essex?

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/uploads/images/sep_07/sfc_1188899756_johnlg.gif

[loopy lupine]

:D There's another thread closed :D

[Essex Wolf]

:D There's another thread closed :D

Possible, but only because some sarcastic prat can't leave things even if his facts are wrong, again.

[Deutsch Wolf]

What's "sarcastic" about that then, Dixon?

[Mutchy]

Jesus wept, and on a thread about bickering... take a look at yourselves will you?

[Essex Wolf]

...

[bod101]

ok we have highlighted the problem and still it continues. if any of you now get banned from now on don't complain about who started what.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

I used to post quite a fair bit and be on here loads but i got to admit the slanging matches and the way one persons opinion is ripped apart from those who can't understand anyones point of view minus their own

It gets to the point that i reckon if some people on here actully met up their would be an all out brawl on the streets

I doubt it, anonymity increases bravado. Probably only Essex, (with his combat training and large truncheon);), would resort to brawling.

[northnorfolkwolf]

Wanted to lend my support to the sentiment of this thread. It's not only bickering that p****s me off but the displays of on running 'in' jokes/comments that unless you are party to the banter you do have a clue what it is all about. I often don't read all the pages of a longer thread and go to the last page to see the most recent comments only to find some long-running wise cracking between members that can only be of any interest to them. Please stick to topic. Thank you. Now back to my beer!

[Essex Wolf]

Not unless it involved insults, name calling etc, no.

And another quote my Mutchy:Jesus wept, and on a thread about bickering... take a look at yourselves will you?

So Deutsch Wolf takes the thread topic totally off track by posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread in any way shape or form.

I found the post by Deutsch Wolf insulting.

[Del Woppio]

$$$$s sake Essex, give it a rest. If people deserve banning they will be banned. Mutchy and Bod don't need you to bring what they've already said to their attention.

[Mutchy]

I found the post by Deutsch Wolf insulting.

and by the time I saw it you'd responded with even more insults in return. It stops now or, as Bod said, we simply ban people.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

And another quote my Mutchy:Jesus wept, and on a thread about bickering... take a look at yourselves will you?

So Deutsch Wolf takes the thread topic totally off track by posting a picture that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread in any way shape or form.

I found the post by Deutsch Wolf insulting.

That's because you take things too seriously, it didn't seem more than a leg pull to me, (not knowing any underlying background to the picture), but a mild leg pull often turns into a mild insult, which results in the ante being raised until we have outright war.

One of the more endearing traits of the British always seemed to me is the ability not to take themselves too seriously and to be able to poke fun at themselves, but with some notable exceptions, this apears to be sadly lacking on this site.

[Essex Wolf]

$$$ sake Essex, give it a rest. If people deserve banning they will be banned. Mutchy and Bod don't need you to bring what they've already said to their attention.

Del don't want to see anyone banned and for what it's worth I agree with the sentiment of the thread topic.

Does seem odd though that when people defend themselves from the insults, which are regular, they get the same warning as the instigator.:confused:

Anyway back to talking about Wolves, hopefully.

GH, the picture used was a rather poor attempt at trying to belittle me for a joke post I made a while back now. It was done to cause unrest on a thread about bickering, which I find quite sad.

[By the Seaside]

Anyone with over xxxxx posts should be banned for simply being deluded!

[Bumbamuffin]

Who's the hardest cyber-warrior on here anyway?

I used to think that Basher was an internet hard-man but after reading him regularly on another forum,I've drastically changed my mind.

[wanderer24]

Bunch of gaylords.

[Ogerp]

"Gripes", as the fantastic five would say, football forum wants to take itself seriously thread.

Get a life please.

[Paul76]

Dirty Dozen.

[Toon Wolf]

In the early 90s the Buffalo Bills were known as "The Bickering Bills"- they reached 4 straight Superbowls. Maybe we should bicker more! ;)

[Wolv3nsam]

Who's the hardest cyber-warrior on here anyway?

I used to think that Basher was an internet hard-man but after reading him regularly on another forum,I've drastically changed my mind.

Stewarton Wolf should be given credit just for how well he defends himself on here everyday!

[basher]

Who's the hardest cyber-warrior on here anyway?

I used to think that Basher was an internet hard-man but after reading him regularly on another forum,I've drastically changed my mind.

What can I say, I'm mellowing.

[Bumbamuffin]

What can I say, I'm mellowing.

It was always the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that I was wary of.

[Del Woppio]

Shut it, tubs.

[Bumbamuffin]

$$$$.

[Ettingshall Wolf]

Just like a yellow card for giving a ref lip would soon stop players doing it, a short ban on here would discourage Mixers from unacceptable behaviour.

However, this thread is entitled bickering. I dont think a little bickering is a problem, and is inevitable when you have people with strong views and opinions. There is a difference in my humble opinion between a little bickering and full blow arguements, throwing insults, being aggressive, and posting offensive comments. The latter always amazes me, we are all part of the Wolves family. Where is the love?

<opens arms wide for group hug> ;)

[O.W.E.I]

If it's group hug time, I can bring some lentils.

[EasternWolf]

Hug? Hug my $$$$.

I am fed up with having a reaction to some numpty wind up merchant edited out when he is allowed the freedom to carry on.

Nobody minds somebody having constantly negative views (i.e Stewarton) because he defends his position well day in day out - and others like him. However, others come on here and fart about twisting facts just to wind people up, and succeed.

$$$$$$$$ to people who think that we should not be allowed to react.

Fact.

[ice cream head]

Hypocrite

[SCB]

If it's group hug time, I can bring some lentils.

'Ang 'em all high. And the rest can eat cold lentils. :eek:

[DCNB]

As one of the old posters who enjoyed a good mass debate i feel it has gone far down hill so far that it's banded at work so i cant join in any more and have to mass debate all alone!!! 606 bunch of rse!!!

Dingle Till I Die!!

[Devil's Slide Wolf]

is this over or are the happyclappers still crying that not everyone is deluded to have a love in with thick Mick. Babies

[Anglian Wolf]

Why can't we have designated "bickering" threads?

I think you have got your wish - take at look at the Olofinjana thread. It's absolutely pathetic and I for one will not get involved.

[Deutsch Wolf]

If you don't agree with what's being said, argue against it, rationally. There's no personal abuse in that thread. Some people like him, the majority are indifferent, a minority loathe him. State your case if you feel so strongly, if you can't take one of your favourite players being abused, then I suggest you're on the wrong kind of forum. No offence.

[scottishwolf II]

I think you have got your wish - take at look at the Olofinjana thread. It's absolutely pathetic and I for one will not get involved.

I think that's a very odd choice of thread to illustrate bickering. It's been one of the few longer threads recently that hasn't turned into a anti vs pro Mick fight or a load of bickering. Basically it's people discussing whether big George should go for £2m or not and whether he was much cop during his 4 odd years with us. There's barely an insult thrown in it.

You could have picked pretty much any other thread that has gone beyond 3 pages recently and show how its descended into bickering. Odd comment.

[Adrian_Monk]

The bickering is the only thing keeping football forums going preseason. More injokes and insults please.

[Essex Wolf]

Hug? Hug my $$$$.

I am fed up with having a reaction to some numpty wind up merchant edited out when he is allowed the freedom to carry on.

Nobody minds somebody having constantly negative views (i.e Stewarton) because he defends his position well day in day out - and others like him. However, others come on here and fart about twisting facts just to wind people up, and succeed.

$$$$$$$$ to people who think that we should not be allowed to react.

Fact.

Well said.

Sadly double standards and hypocrisy are the order of the day far too often.

[Del Woppio]

Double standards? Paranoia, more like.

[Essex Wolf]

Double standards? Paranoia, more like.

Your opinion or fact Del?

Unless you know the full history of issues it's nothing more than your opinion.

[Del Woppio]

Well put the 'full history' out in the open, and don't make guarded innuendos. As somebody who has had posts edited/deleted, had infractions and been banned, I'm confident that there are no double standards whatsoever.

[Essex Wolf]

Well put the 'full history' out in the open, and don't make guarded innuendos. As somebody who has had posts edited/deleted, had infractions and been banned, I'm confident that there are no double standards whatsoever.

Talk about an inflated ego Del. You must believe my comment was aimed directly at you which it was not.

Nothing for you to see here Del, move on.

All I have done is agree with comments made by EasternWolf and voice what is my opinion. You already seem to want to take that one post elsewhere. Don't know why and nor do I care, as I say move on.

[Del Woppio]

That's not what I meant at all. The point was, we all get posts edited/deleted, and some us get infractions etc, but I see only one person blathering on about double standards. If you have a comment to make about the people that run this board, have the courage of your convictions and do it without hiding behind guarded comment.

[Malicious Steve]

I haven't posted on here for ages, I just thought I'd pop back for old times sake - nothing has changed and my eyes are starting to bleed.....

oh and Bashers a puff don't be frightened of his big !!!!!!!!!

[Mutchy]

I haven't posted on here for ages, I just thought I'd pop back for old times sake - nothing has changed and my eyes are starting to bleed.....


Starting to bleed hey? Lucky you! Mine are just bloody disillusioned....

[Essex Wolf]

That's not what I meant at all. The point was, we all get posts edited/deleted, and some us get infractions etc, but I see only one person blathering on about double standards. If you have a comment to make about the people that run this board, have the courage of your convictions and do it without hiding behind guarded comment.

Del, I have and in open on these pages so you cannot accuse me of hiding behind anything. I have clearly voiced my views on certain issues and nothing has changed, the problems still carry on for all the talk that action has been taken. I have argued that if people suffer abuse then they will defend themselves and I will continue to do so.

[Del Woppio]

On the subject of blood, (and away from bickering) do dogs have periods?

[Kenny-11]

I have argued that if people suffer abuse then they will defend themselves and I will continue to do so.

Why not be the bigger "poster" and ignore it and let the Admin/Mods deal with the abuse. That way the board doesn't descend into a play ground fight where the teacher has to run in and separate the 2 kids.

Poster 1 calls you a thick $$$$
You can

A) Call them a thick $$$$ back

or

B) Continue debating the matter at hand and ignore the insult.

Then Admin deals with Poster 1 and not have to deal with both of you and you get the feeling you have been unfairly treated

[basher]

I haven't posted on here for ages, I just thought I'd pop back for old times sake - nothing has changed and my eyes are starting to bleed.....

oh and Bashers a puff don't be frightened of his big !!!!!!!!!

Watch it sunshine!!

[Mutchy]

On the subject of blood, (and away from bickering) do dogs have periods?

How old is Keogh now? She could be having her first season, if thats what you mean? Don't let her off the lead when you take her out!

[Essex Wolf]

Why not be the bigger "poster" and ignore it and let the Admin/Mods deal with the abuse. That way the board doesn't descend into a play ground fight where the teacher has to run in and separate the 2 kids.

Poster 1 calls you a thick $$$$
You can

A) Call them a thick $$$$ back

or

B) Continue debating the matter at hand and ignore the insult.

Then Admin deals with Poster 1 and not have to deal with both of you and you get the feeling you have been unfairly treated

Good points.

[Mutchy]

Good points.

And to be fair Essex, ones which I have made to you many times via PM.

[Kenny-11]

Good points.

and you can also click this - http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/images/buttons/report.gif and carry on discussing the Wolves/football matter.

[Kenny-11]

And to be fair Essex, ones which I have made to you many times via PM.

obviously haven't got my way with words Mutchy Babes :cool:

[basher]

Essex

Your biggest problem is that you perceive that someone, because of past differences of opinion, is immediately having a pop at you.

So you decide to get in there first and the rest of the fallout just follows.

You seem immune to the notion that posters have moved on and forgot about past differences, whereas you seem to bear a grudge.

Just my thoughts.

[Del Woppio]

How old is Keogh now? She could be having her first season, if thats what you mean? Don't let her off the lead when you take her out!

Coming up to 8 months now - she's leaving spots of blood on the patio. I've not yet been brave enough to take her off the lead - she's still a bit too mental, and would just run to the nearest dog.

[dazmanwolf]

We've gone from Bickering to Dog Periods!!!!!!

What a truly amazing and diverse thread this has turned out to be! :D

[Kenny-11]

We've gone from Bickering to Dog Periods!!!!!!

What a truly amazing and diverse thread this has turned out to be! :D

I blame Essex the thick $$$$

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

That's not what I meant at all. The point was, we all get posts edited/deleted, and some us get infractions etc, but I see only one person blathering on about double standards. If you have a comment to make about the people that run this board, have the courage of your convictions and do it without hiding behind guarded comment.
I think TIM has made it quite clear that if anyone took up your suggestion they would be history. Essex has been more than open and is not alone in his analysis of what goes on here. Eastern is just the latest to come out with these thoughts but there are more and many are put off from posting because of these double standards. I cannot believe the personal insults that in particular Essex and Stewarton receive and yet Mutchy goes on about bickering. Bickering can often mean something says that I dont agree with because if I do it is a sensible comment.
I myself have had lots of personal insults on this site which I can deal with but when I am not allowed to answer them without risk of an infraction that sends out massive signals when the offenders are still allowed to carry on.
Double standards and spin exist everywhere in life but they are rampant on this site. Essex and Eastern are totally right in recognising that it seems to be a bigger crime to defend yourself against personal attacks than to make them.

[EasternWolf]

Hypocrite

arsehole

[basher]

I feel that some on here need to develop a sense of humour and stop being so precious about themselves.

[Del Woppio]

Quite.

[EasternWolf]

you can never find the smilies when you need them..

[Malicious Steve]

you can never find the smilies when you need them..

try this one
http://www.wolvesbb.co.uk/images/smilies/notlistening.gif (http://www.wolvesbb.co.uk/posting.php?mode=smilies&f=1#)

[Malicious Steve]

On the subject of blood, (and away from bickering) do dogs have periods?

mine doesn't..

[O.W.E.I]

I feel that some on here need to develop a sense of humour and stop being so precious about themselves.

Nail on the head.

BTW - did you call my pint a poof?:rolleyes:

[duanepipe]

Coming up to 8 months now - she's leaving spots of blood on the patio. I've not yet been brave enough to take her off the lead - she's still a bit too mental, and would just run to the nearest dog.

She's the right age to be in season. Keep an eye on her. Male dogs can smell a bitch in season like a shark can smell a swimmer with a nosebleed. And if it's a dog like my old stud dog, he'd use ninja mating skills to have your bitch pregnant without you even seeing him put the moves on her. I'd only know about it because he'd come back home wearing a smoking jacket that he didn't go out in.

[thisisgil]

I feel that some on here need to develop a sense of humour and stop being so precious about themselves.

The problem is, sense of humour or no sense of humour, it is $$$$ing tedious having to wade through pages of arguments with no relation to the original topic in the thread.

I inhabit a forum as it's relevant to the industry I'm in here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/). [/URL]They have what seem like a stupidly long set of rules to agree to before you post, with about 20 or 30 different things that can lead to an instaban. However, the threads mostly stay on topic, the good natured banter doesn't turn into bickering, and most importantly, the threads have a very high [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_to_noise_ratio#Informal_use"]signal to noise (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/) ratio.

Anyhoo, back to my original point: Just because some of us are getting annoyed with the amount of mind-numbing off-topic bickering in most threads doesn't mean that we're too sensitive / lacking a sense of humour!

[welshwolf]

[QUOTE=Essex Wolf;615613]

Nothing for you to see here , move on.

QUOTE]

spoken like a true copper:)

In some ways you have a point and I agree you have been supjected to tauts all the way back to your spats with LIQ on the old E & S board

however the fact is you are targeted very often because you react strongly, you are seen as a easy target.

Mutchy , TIm, Bod etc may not be perfect but they are doing a thankless task free of charge and yes they do make mistakes and sometimes I feel certain individuals have crossed the line however are a few insults really worth going over the top on

[EasternWolf]

creep

[Edgmond Wolf]

Jesus..... Stop Bickering.....

[welshwolf]

creep

always

[Anglian Wolf]

If you don't agree with what's being said, argue against it, rationally. There's no personal abuse in that thread. Some people like him, the majority are indifferent, a minority loathe him. State your case if you feel so strongly, if you can't take one of your favourite players being abused, then I suggest you're on the wrong kind of forum. No offence.

None taken but it's just so Groundhog Day. It seems every time certain words are mentioned we spring into the same old arguments. Olofinjana is the perfect example.

There has been any mention of him in the past month without the immediate response of:

"He's dog awful - give him away - followed by

No - he's the most gifted player we have"

All this is then punctuated with terms such as "fairy" and "powder puff"

I perfectly understand that the whole point of a forum is to provide a place for countering views and opinions. I fully endorse that - it's just that going over the same ground so often can get so bloody boring.

no offence ;)

[Deutsch Wolf]

Fair play. I can see Keogh going the same way, to be honest. (I'm a big fan of his, for what it's worth)

[Anglian Wolf]

And so am I - he makes a huge difference to the movement of our forward play whether he scores or not. His record with SEB was impressive.

I don't mean to overstate things but I watched Torres in the Euros and much of his play reminded me of Keogh in terms of style. Torres clearly has a higher goals per games ratio of course.

[Bill McCai]

The precious gayers who take things too personally should be put down or banned themselves.

[Anglian Wolf]

The precious gayers who take things too personally should be put down or banned themselves.

Do you think they should be gassed or did you have lethal injection in mind :rolleyes:

[Stewarton Wolf]

And so am I - he makes a huge difference to the movement of our forward play whether he scores or not. His record with SEB was impressive.

I don't mean to overstate things but I watched Torres in the Euros and much of his play reminded me of Keogh in terms of style. Torres clearly has a higher goals per games ratio of course.
I'd take your television back there is something badly wrong with it...

[Wolv3nsam]

I feel that some on here need to develop a sense of humour and stop being so precious about themselves.

Agreed. Essex, the Stern John thing was nothing more than playful leg pull and to be fair when you posted that picture up in the Louis Jean thread it was $$$$ing hilarious. Just learn to take things less seriously, if you get offended by a picture on the internet then god knows how you must feel when someone calls you a $$$$ or similar terms to your face.

I'm all for there being more of a "clamp down" when it comes to bickering (especially when it ruins perfectly decent threads) but I also feel that some people just need to learn to take a joke.

[scottishwolf II]

In fairness to Essex, given his profession he probably gets a lot of unwarranted abuse anyway (in the real world...not MM).

Though I agree Sam with your general point about taking things with a pinch of salt on here.

[Wolv3nsam]

In fairness to Essex, given his profession he probably gets a lot of unwarranted abuse anyway (in the real world...not MM).

That's why I'm surprised he finds a picture of Stern John offensive and insulting when it was intended as a leg pull.

[scottishwolf II]

Straw breaking the camels back when he is amongst Wolves fans?

[itsonlyagame]

ok we have highlighted the problem and still it continues. if any of you now get banned from now on don't complain about who started what.


:D:D life just isn't that serious! :D:D