Mick Out!!!

[Ginger Chimp]

... (just for johnnybig32).

All anti MM comments in here please ....

[Paul76]

Wimabigclub

[johnybig32]

;)

Tell me someone who would have done better, and would do better.

DO you like the team we have? Are you excited about the majority of the young players we have got? Who bought them in?

[Ginger Chimp]

I'm not saying I want him out, I'm just providing the thread to avoid a proliferation of similar threads.

[Paul76]

He ay gud enough.

[Welsh Y'am Y'am]

We haven't been good enough over the season, that's all there is to it. It's only because it's been such an inconsistent Championship this season that we could have scraped into the playoffs! McCarthy needs to learn some lessons for next season else we will do little else but continue as a mediocre hoofball championship also-ran team.

[Poole Wolf]

Paul Ince

[Metro Wolf 2007]

Didn't our owner and chairman tell the moaners to sod off ? ;)

[It's Mixu Paatelainen]

Ludovic Pollet would provide the kind of fresh thinking and knowledge of the division/club that we need. And let's not forget that he'd be young and hungry.

2.3% Serious.

[Big Mack]

McCarthy needs to learn some lessons for next season else we will do little else but continue as a mediocre hoofball championship also-ran team.

Agreed. Stop burying your head in the sand Mick. As it stands we're not good enough.

[Barbiewolf]

i think we could do with a player clear out too

[Bilston_Wolf]

Didn't our owner and chairman tell the moaners to sod off ? ;)

How long has our owner been involved with Wolves, lets see if he's still positive in a few years time.

[johnybig32]

The point about the chairman sums it all up...

We are NEW, everything is "new". Nothing works straight away when its new, give it time...

Morgan and MM are the way forward.

[bod101]

;)

Tell me someone who would have done better, and would do better.

DO you like the team we have? Are you excited about the majority of the young players we have got? Who bought them in?


gary johnson.

and several of us have wanted him since dave jones left.

[johnybig32]

Yes, i like him.

He has built a hard working, young team with Bristol. Hmmm...sounds familiar.

[johnybig32]

Someone just made an excllent point on Talksport...

" ALl the hard and excellent work MM did rebuilding the club and getting it on the right track has been forgotten this year"

[bod101]

Yes, i like him.

He has built a hard working, young team with Bristol. Hmmm...sounds familiar.


but didnt spend more money "strengthening" than most sides and made it into the play offs.

[Poole Wolf]

It's been forgotten because he has undermined it all himself. I was against his appointment in the first place but after last season and then at the start of this I was very optimistic and willing to give him more than a chance. But McCarthy's had a very bad season and it is all his own doing. He failed to address the problems in central defence but his biggest mistake was the signing of Elliott. In my view that gave him the excuse to sideline two of the more talented members of the squad in Bothroyd and Eastwood. Keogh was indulged to death and Ward was used in a position in which at this level he is not effective. Futher to that young players like Little and Jones fould their molineux careers running into a brick wall for no apparent reason. All in all I think he should go. Palace were decisive and now I would expect them to walk the playoffs. We have stumbled through the season in an indifferent league playing totally unentertaining football. McCarthy has been found out and has proved to be the biggest incompetent since Graham Turner in blending a squad together from better resources than most teams in the division. A couple of decent loan palyers may have made all the difference but we got Gibson and Kyle. Goal difference killed us and lack of goals and attacking football killed the entertainment factor this season. I can see no positives in keeping McCarthy and few for keeping his apologist Moxey either.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Someone just made an excellent point on Talksport...

" ALl the hard and excellent work MM did rebuilding the club and getting it on the right track has been forgotten this year"
Never ever happens:)

[bod101]

Someone just made an excllent point on Talksport...

" ALl the hard and excellent work MM did rebuilding the club and getting it on the right track has been forgotten this year"


not forgotten at all. in fact from a good platform last season, with fantastic financial backing and targets being set as top two the management team has failed miserably.

poor unbalancing buying not addressing the glaring problems of last season and failing to get cover for key players in the prefered system.

if MM is retained we are very unlikely to go down but we are also unlikely to go up. if there is true ambition at the club i would thank him for the stabilisation job done then look to bring in someone to move on to the next level.

[johnybig32]

but didnt spend more money "strengthening" than most sides and made it into the play offs.

Yes he did, he signed Trundle for starters and other players...

[Stewarton Wolf]

gary johnson.

and several of us have wanted him since dave jones left.
Pulis, Brown, & Warnock have spent less than McCarthy...

[Wolv3nsam]

Someone just made an excllent point on Talksport...

" ALl the hard and excellent work MM did rebuilding the club and getting it on the right track has been forgotten this year"

It's because we're a club full of ungrateful $$$$$. ;)

[johnybig32]

Well, i, and i think you, are not one of them...

[wolfie smith]

The point about the chairman sums it all up...

We are NEW, everything is "new". Nothing works straight away when its new, give it time...
i bought a new tv the other week it worked straight away.

Morgan and MM are the way forward.

were being told it worked in the first season!!!
it hasnt worked this season due to an injury to one player!!!
mcarthy isnt using new tactics, he is just using old skool long ball tactics, the young and hungry want to entertain and attack, with this dipstick as manager they will get frustrated. get rid

[tree]

this place is going to be unbearable for a while now isn't it? let the obligatory civil war commence. whose fault was it? must have been someone here!!?

was it wolvesam? was it florida wolfey? was it stewarton????

my ten cents worth: there aren't really many excuses for finishing lower this season than the year before and it's not really worth blaming people like stewarton wolf for all his negativity before mick mccarthy. i think the season could have been rescued much earlier this season and now i'd like to see us move fast and make a new appointment.

we could and should have done better this season. THIS season. we had month after month to put things right and make no mistake, all our lads were trying hard. i'm proud of all of 'em.

next season could be severely unpleasant if mccarthy stays. it will definitely be far less stable.

i don't dislike the guy...but i don't think there's one of us who can genuinely hold their hands up and claim they can't think of at least half a dozen awful decisions he's made that have cost us...unless of course you just want to use your posts to attack the half of molineux mix that wants mccarthy out.

gotta be pragmatic, facts are...we're getting worse. and the facts are, whichever side of the fence you are, you probably care a whole lot right now and are hurting.

peace brothers and sisters!

[Mutchy]

but didnt spend more money "strengthening" than most sides and made it into the play offs.

I think he's brought in a few players he'd worked with before.

[northnorfolkwolf]

This is MMs level. Highish 1st division. We need a manager to take our young players forward and develop them into Prem players. MM imo cannot do this. Unfortunately he will see in the new season and we will have more of the same.

[Taffywolf]

At the start of the season Mick said Play off's were MINIMUM requirements. He has spent 7 Million and FAILED. We should of comfortably made the play off's.
I hold MM responsible because when we lost Kightly AND Jarvis to injuries He never brought in any cover at all. That is what has cost us dear..
Also playing Collins week in and week out.

It's okay saying we have a young side but how many of our side are actually good enough and could make the step up to prem football????

[tezread]

Its like Alan Sugar says to his candidates when they defend themselves by saying 'I work hard, my team work well, I need time lalala"
This doean't wash with him and it does not wash with me. Why on earth people insist on naively defending him is beyond me. We can, should and will do better without him. I am sick and tired of us settling for incompetent managers who lack tactical nouse and common sense

[KAZZZZ]

love him or hate him, micks cost us promotion this season because of his strange team selections and tactics for the 1st 30 games of season.

For us to fail on goal diff is a totall joke, i think he improved over last 12 weeks or so, but if he done that at the start of season we would of been up as champs.

As for next season i think we all know what we need, but will he do it is another question.

[UEAwolf]

At the very, very least we need an overhaul of the backroom staff over the next few months.

McCarthy is staying, regardless of whether people think he is the man to take us forward (and I am one of those who think he is not) the decision has been made, and made a long time ago, that he will remain in charge.

One thing that has got to change is his support network. Ian Evans has been reduced to what is effectively a scouting role alongside Bowman. Terry Connor was brought to the club as a football in the community coach, and that is his level-not 1st team coach, certainly not asst manager.


Sammy Lee as assistant anyone?

[rathmineswolf]

:eek:We need a purge, ala Stalin.

[Wombourne Wolf]

Mick had no plan B after Kightly's injury and that along with his falling out with Eastwood has probably cost us vital points and goals along the way. He will be here for next season theres no doubt's about that - hopefully he will learn from mistakes and replicate what Coppell did at Reading.

If McCarthy does go, I hope he ends up at Celtic so Stewarton can $$$$ off and whinge on a Celtic Messageboard every week.

[Salisbury Wolf]

MM will get us out of this division next season, of that I'm sure. But as already mentioned, the upper end of the CCC is probably his level. He has another season.

SM is an astute business man. I also sense a certain ruthlessness about him and when we get promoted, MM and the back-room team will be shipped out and a higher profile manager and coaching team will be installed.


Glory days ahead ;)

I know, easy to say from afar.

[Ginger Chimp]

MM will get us out of this division next season, of that I'm sure.
I'm not sure that MM is the man for Wolves but I am hard pressed to think of a suitable, available replacement.

Be that as it may... on what evidence do you base your statement (above)? I see nothing to suggest that MM will definitely get us promoted next year.

[Pengwern]

This is a results business, so let's look at the facts:-

Up to the Albion game when we lost Kites but didn't have Jarvis or a proper goal-scorer, we took 30 points from 20 games, which is average for what we've done over the whole season. Then we had a different (indifferent) December & January, without Kites and with Jarvis and Blake only just getting into the groove. From then on - when we beat Palace at their place - we have played around 14 games and got a 2 points per game average, which is automatic promotion form in a normal season (i.e much better than what was necessary this season). If these three phases of the season had happened the other way round, then the moaners could have claimed that we had gone backwards, but the fact is that we have gone forward. Blake was bought by Mick and has now got the Golden Boot; he is already got to be worth three times what we paid for him. I called for Taylor's head when results over a similar period showed that we were on relegation form, so I am consistent.

Before anyone tries the 'over the whole season' argument, imagine yourself as a Watford or Hull or Palace fan, who whom this 46 game season has been a similarly two or three phase affair. Watford have been abysmal over the final third and their fans boo them after virtually every performance. They are going in the wrong direction and know it, but for us the only thing that matters is that none of our best young players are lured away to the Premiership. How many of the play-off contenders have players (their own - not the ones they have on loan) who have interested Premiership clubs.

Credit where credit is due - Mick has continued building a young, hungry and talented side. Sometimes progress means one step backwards, two steps forward. Those who don't want to see this never will, but then they are mostly consumers rather than supporters so I would expect no different from them.

[bod101]

Yes he did, he signed Trundle for starters and other players...

maybe i wasnt clear with what i said...
he didn't spend more. ie he didnt spend 7million or anywhere near that.

[johnybig32]

Very very good Pengwern.

[johnybig32]

maybe i wasnt clear with what i said...
he didn't spend more. ie he didnt spend 7million or anywhere near that.

You mean you have had time to reflect and come up with an excuse... ;)

We have spent that much? 1.5m wouldnt have been needed if FE was the saviour many people think he was...

[Wolv3nsam]

This is a results business, so let's look at the facts:-

Up to the Albion game when we lost Kites but didn't have Jarvis or a proper goal-scorer, we took 30 points from 20 games, which is average for what we've done over the whole season. Then we had a different (indifferent) December & January, without Kites and with Jarvis and Blake only just getting into the groove. From then on - when we beat Palace at their place - we have played around 14 games and got a 2 points per game average, which is automatic promotion form in a normal season (i.e much better than what was necessary this season). If these three phases of the season had happened the other way round, then the moaners could have claimed that we had gone backwards, but the fact is that we have gone forward. Blake was bought by Mick and has now got the Golden Boot; he is already got to be worth three times what we paid for him. I called for Taylor's head when results over a similar period showed that we were on relegation form, so I am consistent.

Before anyone tries the 'over the whole season' argument, imagine yourself as a Watford or Hull or Palace fan, who whom this 46 game season has been a similarly two or three phase affair. Watford have been abysmal over the final third and their fans boo them after virtually every performance. They are going in the wrong direction and know it, but for us the only thing that matters is that none of our best young players are lured away to the Premiership. How many of the play-off contenders have players (their own - not the ones they have on loan) who have interested Premiership clubs.

Credit where credit is due - Mick has continued building a young, hungry and talented side. Sometimes progress means one step backwards, two steps forward. Those who don't want to see this never will, but then they are mostly consumers rather than supporters so I would expect no different from them.

Well said.

[Wombourne Wolf]

This is a results business, so let's look at the facts:-

Up to the Albion game when we lost Kites but didn't have Jarvis or a proper goal-scorer, we took 30 points from 20 games, which is average for what we've done over the whole season. Then we had a different (indifferent) December & January, without Kites and with Jarvis and Blake only just getting into the groove. From then on - when we beat Palace at their place - we have played around 14 games and got a 2 points per game average, which is automatic promotion form in a normal season (i.e much better than what was necessary this season). If these three phases of the season had happened the other way round, then the moaners could have claimed that we had gone backwards, but the fact is that we have gone forward. Blake was bought by Mick and has now got the Golden Boot; he is already got to be worth three times what we paid for him. I called for Taylor's head when results over a similar period showed that we were on relegation form, so I am consistent.

Before anyone tries the 'over the whole season' argument, imagine yourself as a Watford or Hull or Palace fan, who whom this 46 game season has been a similarly two or three phase affair. Watford have been abysmal over the final third and their fans boo them after virtually every performance. They are going in the wrong direction and know it, but for us the only thing that matters is that none of our best young players are lured away to the Premiership. How many of the play-off contenders have players (their own - not the ones they have on loan) who have interested Premiership clubs.

Credit where credit is due - Mick has continued building a young, hungry and talented side. Sometimes progress means one step backwards, two steps forward. Those who don't want to see this never will, but then they are mostly consumers rather than supporters so I would expect no different from them.

Good post

[Muscat]

This is a results business, so let's look at the facts:-

Up to the Albion game when we lost Kites but didn't have Jarvis or a proper goal-scorer, we took 30 points from 20 games, which is average for what we've done over the whole season. Then we had a different (indifferent) December & January, without Kites and with Jarvis and Blake only just getting into the groove. From then on - when we beat Palace at their place - we have played around 14 games and got a 2 points per game average, which is automatic promotion form in a normal season (i.e much better than what was necessary this season). If these three phases of the season had happened the other way round, then the moaners could have claimed that we had gone backwards, but the fact is that we have gone forward. Blake was bought by Mick and has now got the Golden Boot; he is already got to be worth three times what we paid for him. I called for Taylor's head when results over a similar period showed that we were on relegation form, so I am consistent.

Before anyone tries the 'over the whole season' argument, imagine yourself as a Watford or Hull or Palace fan, who whom this 46 game season has been a similarly two or three phase affair. Watford have been abysmal over the final third and their fans boo them after virtually every performance. They are going in the wrong direction and know it, but for us the only thing that matters is that none of our best young players are lured away to the Premiership. How many of the play-off contenders have players (their own - not the ones they have on loan) who have interested Premiership clubs.

Credit where credit is due - Mick has continued building a young, hungry and talented side. Sometimes progress means one step backwards, two steps forward. Those who don't want to see this never will, but then they are mostly consumers rather than supporters so I would expect no different from them.

Outstanding post.

[bod101]

You mean you have had time to reflect and come up with an excuse... ;)

We have spent that much? 1.5m wouldnt have been needed if FE was the saviour many people think he was...

no i've just re written exactly what i put the first time as you didnt understand it.

i agree 1.5 million was a waste for FE, as was the fee for Elliot.

[Edgmond Wolf]

This is a results business, so let's look at the facts:-

Up to the Albion game when we lost Kites but didn't have Jarvis or a proper goal-scorer, we took 30 points from 20 games, which is average for what we've done over the whole season. Then we had a different (indifferent) December & January, without Kites and with Jarvis and Blake only just getting into the groove. From then on - when we beat Palace at their place - we have played around 14 games and got a 2 points per game average, which is automatic promotion form in a normal season (i.e much better than what was necessary this season). If these three phases of the season had happened the other way round, then the moaners could have claimed that we had gone backwards, but the fact is that we have gone forward. Blake was bought by Mick and has now got the Golden Boot; he is already got to be worth three times what we paid for him. I called for Taylor's head when results over a similar period showed that we were on relegation form, so I am consistent.

Before anyone tries the 'over the whole season' argument, imagine yourself as a Watford or Hull or Palace fan, who whom this 46 game season has been a similarly two or three phase affair. Watford have been abysmal over the final third and their fans boo them after virtually every performance. They are going in the wrong direction and know it, but for us the only thing that matters is that none of our best young players are lured away to the Premiership. How many of the play-off contenders have players (their own - not the ones they have on loan) who have interested Premiership clubs.

Credit where credit is due - Mick has continued building a young, hungry and talented side. Sometimes progress means one step backwards, two steps forward. Those who don't want to see this never will, but then they are mostly consumers rather than supporters so I would expect no different from them.

Good post.

Let us see how he adds to the team over the summer and lets see how we do next season

So far in two seasons he got us to play off and got us to 7th (2 goals from another play off). We need to set our expectations...

Automatic next season ;)

[Barbiewolf]

its not all micks fault the players are too be blamed as well.

[Barbiewolf]

3 time lucky

[Salisbury Wolf]

More a gut feel GC, but a $$$$ manager he is not. He had decent success at international level and did well with Sunderland.

I think his first season here was always going to be easier. After Hoddle, how could whatever happened, excluding relegation ;), not be seen as 'successful'. Expectation levels were lower, and whatever those who advocate booing will tell you, crowd anxiety will play a little into the hands of the opposition, especially as we have such a young and inexperienced team.

I also think he and the players have probably learned a lot this year and hopefully that knowledge will be harnessed in the close season and with a few new additions we'll come back much stronger next season.

And does anyone here think Kites and Jarvis wouldn't have been worth the extra 9 points needed for auto had they been around all season?

[HSV Wolf]

Two younger pacier centre backs, a more creative midfielder and new manager to inspire and get the best out of what we've got.....today and the play off 2nd leg last season showed Mick hasn't got that vital ingredient the ability to inspire when needed

[Stewarton Wolf]

its not all micks fault the players are too be blamed as well.
The players he bought:rolleyes:

[Salisbury Wolf]

The players he bought:rolleyes:

Stewarton, even you know that's balls. No one knows how well a player will fit into a new team. They can be excellent at their current club, but turn to poo at the new one.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Stewarton, even you know that's balls. No one knows how well a player will fit into a new team. They can be excellent at their current club, but turn to poo at the new one.
Well he should know the majority had played for him before at Sunderland or in the Ireland set up...

[Salisbury Wolf]

Well he should know the majority had played for him before at Sunderland or in the Ireland set up...

Kightly
Jarvis
Keogh
SEB
Elokobi
Henry
Potter
Edwards
Eastwood

[Stewarton Wolf]

Kightly
Jarvis
Keogh
SEB
Elokobi
Henry
You have proved my point the dross he signed from Sunderland is cluttering up the bench

Elliott/Collins/Gray/Potter/Ward/Kyle....

[Salisbury Wolf]

Well he should know the majority had played for him before at Sunderland or in the Ireland set up...

:D Nice try, but not this time SW...

Breen, Elliot and Foley - and Breen ain't real clutter

I'm not giving you Potter or Ward. They didn't play for R of I until 2007. Kyle is a loan and Gray has done OK too.

[Muscat]

Proved your point. :D

[Stewarton Wolf]

:D Nice try, but not this time SW...
???

[Salisbury Wolf]

???

See above, only Elliot and Foley really fit your criteria.

[Woburn Wolf]

It's been forgotten because he has undermined it all himself. I was against his appointment in the first place but after last season and then at the start of this I was very optimistic and willing to give him more than a chance. But McCarthy's had a very bad season and it is all his own doing. He failed to address the problems in central defence but his biggest mistake was the signing of Elliott. In my view that gave him the excuse to sideline two of the more talented members of the squad in Bothroyd and Eastwood. Keogh was indulged to death and Ward was used in a position in which at this level he is not effective. Futher to that young players like Little and Jones fould their molineux careers running into a brick wall for no apparent reason. All in all I think he should go. Palace were decisive and now I would expect them to walk the playoffs. We have stumbled through the season in an indifferent league playing totally unentertaining football. McCarthy has been found out and has proved to be the biggest incompetent since Graham Turner in blending a squad together from better resources than most teams in the division. A couple of decent loan palyers may have made all the difference but we got Gibson and Kyle. Goal difference killed us and lack of goals and attacking football killed the entertainment factor this season. I can see no positives in keeping McCarthy and few for keeping his apologist Moxey either.
I listened to the interviews on WM tonight. McCarthy said I cannot fault my players workrate and Mowbray said football is an entertainment business and I am glad we won in style, or words to that effect. Says it all really.

[Fan in Vogelsang]

Never mind! At least a midlands club went up as champions!

We also have Euro 2008 and Roy Keane's end of season clearout to placate
the disappointed!

[Barbiewolf]

You have proved my point the dross he signed from Sunderland is cluttering up the bench

Elliott/Collins/Gray/Potter/Ward/Kyle....


sorry but how is gray cluttering up the bench he is a great player in my veiw anyway.

[5150]

You have proved my point the dross he signed from Sunderland is cluttering up the bench

Elliott/Collins/Gray/Potter/Ward/Kyle....

:confused: Have never played for Sunderland ?

[Munro Munro]

At the very, very least we need an overhaul of the backroom staff over the next few months.

McCarthy is staying, regardless of whether people think he is the man to take us forward (and I am one of those who think he is not) the decision has been made, and made a long time ago, that he will remain in charge.

One thing that has got to change is his support network. Ian Evans has been reduced to what is effectively a scouting role alongside Bowman. Terry Connor was brought to the club as a football in the community coach, and that is his level-not 1st team coach, certainly not asst manager.


Sammy Lee as assistant anyone?

Sammy Lee as coach sounds great to me, i agree we need a whole new look at the way we play and this bloke knows how to acheive it. Lee maybe not be a manager but is a great no 2

[The Vicar]

Not sure what credit there is to ba had for this season? mccarthy has spent £7m for us to get less points than we dd last season. how does that compare to Stoke who finished just behind us last season?
Everyone has injuries, and if you don't have adequate cover for your best players, that just smacks of poor rmanagement.
Today summed it up for me, the team came out with the wrong attitdue, the substitutions were the wrong ones, and we played wthout any really desire or passon. His man management skils have been questionable at best (he pays £1.5 million for a player whose game doesn't fit in with how he wants the team to play, he sends our best defender out on loan and then has to bring him back0.

Big Mick your time is up, good bye.

[The Vicar]

McCarthy said I cannot fault my players workrate .

"But i do question my choice of players, the substitutions I made, and the signings I have made this season".;)

[Woburn Wolf]

Its like Alan Sugar says to his candidates when they defend themselves by saying 'I work hard, my team work well, I need time lalala"
This doean't wash with him and it does not wash with me. Why on earth people insist on naively defending him is beyond me. We can, should and will do better without him. I am sick and tired of us settling for incompetent managers who lack tactical nouse and common sense
Spot on

[Dougan was king]

If MM has got together such a good young hungry side ,how come we have dropped 30 pints at home ?

[Poole Wolf]

"But i do question my choice of players, the substitutions I made, and the signings I have made this season".
That sounds like yet another dig at Eastwood.

[Muscat]

If MM has got together such a good young hungry side ,how come we have dropped 30 pints at home ?

Because they're young and the ridiculous pressure from our fans hasn't helped? Nor has chanting for players on the bench when one of our strikers misses a chance, for that matter.

[johnybig32]

The loss of his right hand man too.

Its not only us who has less points than last yea. The whole league is less.

When will people see that FE probably deserves the "digs"...

[Space Wolf]

When will people see that FE probably deserves the "digs"...

So it's ok to criticise certain players but not others?

[Wolv3nsam]

When will people see that FE probably deserves the "digs"...

If certain sections of the support didn't hold him in such high regard on match days (chanting his name whenever a chance goes begging etc.) there wouldn't be a problem IMO.

Hate the fans who chant his name, not the player himself.

[wolves_123]

The Championship will be solid next year, i don't think for one minute clueless Mick will have a chance of guiding us to the playoffs let alone automatic. I have always been a fan of Moxey but this club needed a young hungry manager for a change and he went for MM who is pretty much the same as all the other managers we have had in the past 15yrs or so. Altough saying that i am pretty shure MM will still be here for the start of the season which i think is daft considering his brief was to get us into the playoffs as a minimum requirement and he didnt't, which means hes failed, and he must go.

[Muscat]

The Championship will be solid next year, i don't think for one minute clueless Mick will have a chance of guiding us to the playoffs let alone automatic. I have always been a fan of Moxey but this club needed a young hungry manager for a change and he went for MM who is pretty much the same as all the other managers we have had in the past 15yrs or so. Altough saying that i am pretty shure MM will still be here for the start of the season which i think is daft considering his brief was to get us into the playoffs as a minimum requirement and he didnt't, which means hes failed, and he must go.

Moxey's decision to choose Mick is one of the main reasons why we aren't where Leicester are now. As said before, it's easy to forget how dire the situation was. Both the teams that came down with us are now in League 1 - it's thanks to Jez and Mick that we aren't following them.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Moxey's decision to choose Mick is one of the main reasons why we aren't where Leicester are now. As said before, it's easy to forget how dire the situation was. Both the teams that came down with us are now in League 1 - it's thanks to Jez and Mick that we aren't following them.
So we have failed two seasons running so now you dumb down the target to avoiding relegation....

[Old Gold And Black]

What is there to say. The minumum expectation was the play-offs. He has failed. He should be sacked. Or was the expectation 7th and next seaon perhaps 10th will do? I wouldn't mind if we played with style and were geuinely unlucky but over the course of the season we have been dross with the exception of one or two matches.

[Muscat]

So we have failed two seasons running so now you dumb down the target to avoiding relegation....

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said, you utter, utter moron.

[WaltonOnTheHillWolf]

Someone at the start of this thread ask who would have done better than MM - Neil Warnock would have and has done with what he had at Palace...

[Stewarton Wolf]

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said, you utter, utter moron.
But neither Moxey or McCarthy stated that the objective was to avoid relegation, it just suits you to dumb down. History revisionist...

[UEAwolf]

So we have failed two seasons running so now you dumb down the target to avoiding relegation....



Thats a bit OTT Stewarton.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Thats a bit OTT Stewarton.

In what way?

[sjonnie]

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said, you utter, utter moron.

Have to agree with Stewarton - that's pretty much what you alluded to. We didn't get relegated so it's OK not to make the play-offs.

I'm baffled why so many seem to feel the need to defend McCarthy. He has had money to spend, he has had the backing of management, he has created his team, he has decided his tactics. He has been paid very handsomely to do his job - i.e. make progress on last year. He has failed. Quite spectacularly IMHO.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Hey Muscat here's your ambition dumb it down...

http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=453

[5150]

Have to agree with Stewarton - that's pretty much what you alluded to. We didn't get relegated so it's OK not to make the play-offs.

I'm baffled why so many seem to feel the need to defend McCarthy. He has had money to spend, he has had the backing of management, he has created his team, he has decided his tactics. He has been paid very handsomely to do his job - i.e. make progress on last year. He has failed. Quite spectacularly IMHO.

Not really....unless you think that 2 goals is a spectacular failure

[UEAwolf]

Do you really categorize last season, where (although i dont subscribe to the theory we were relegation certainties, we were still in pretty bad state) we qualified for the playoffs as a failure?

Again this season, we didnt qualify for the playoffs, but only by a single goal.



Its debatable whether Mick is the right man for the job, but saying he failed in his 1st season is way way over the top. He did a damn good job.

[sjonnie]

Not really....unless you think that 2 goals is a spectacular failure

2 goals or 200 goals we still finished 7th and failed to make the playoffs. Last year - as all of McCarthy's disciples will tell you - we were nailed on for relegation and Super Mick saved us. So how come when he gets a bucketful of cash at his disposal, his own squad, a complete pre-season to assess his requirements, he can't show any improvement? Are you claiming he hasn't failed?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Do you really categorize last season, where (although i dont subscribe to the theory we were relegation certainties, we were still in pretty bad state) we qualified for the playoffs as a failure?

Again this season, we didnt qualify for the playoffs, but only by a single goal.



Its debatable whether Mick is the right man for the job, but saying he failed in his 1st season is way way over the top. He did a damn good job.
Did we get promoted - No - Sorry in the history books its a failure. With 9 games to go we were a point behind Sunderland and blew up. The improvement in form was based on a team he stumbled on due to suspensions and injuries...

[sjonnie]

Do you really categorize last season, where (although i dont subscribe to the theory we were relegation certainties, we were still in pretty bad state) we qualified for the playoffs as a failure?

Again this season, we didnt qualify for the playoffs, but only by a single goal.



Its debatable whether Mick is the right man for the job, but saying he failed in his 1st season is way way over the top. He did a damn good job.

Who said he failed in his first season? (I said he failed to improve on last season). Last season - we didn't go up admittedly, but seeing as he came into a bit of a crisis situation we were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. This season he's done worse under much more favourable conditions. Everything else is an excuse.

[Norwegian Wolf]

We have gone backwards over the last 12 months and there is no reason to believe that MM will be able to turn it around over the 12 months, other than blind faith. 70 points is a woeful return given the resources at his disposal.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Not really....unless you think that 2 goals is a spectacular failure

We nearly got in the play-offs...

[UEAwolf]

Who said he failed in his first season? (I said he failed to improve on last season). Last season - we didn't go up admittedly, but seeing as he came into a bit of a crisis situation we were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. This season he's done worse under much more favourable conditions. Everything else is an excuse.


I know you did. My response wasnt aimed at you!

[Muscat]

Have to agree with Stewarton - that's pretty much what you alluded to. We didn't get relegated so it's OK not to make the play-offs.


You evidently can't read either then.

I have always been a fan of Moxey but this club needed a young hungry manager for a change and he went for MM who is pretty much the same as all the other managers we have had in the past 15yrs or so.That comment was critical of Mick's appointment. My argument was that Mick's appointment arguably saved us from ending up in League 1. The wrong appointment with little or no money and a threadbare squad could have spelled disaster. Where exactly did I allude to it being ok to not make the play-offs?

I expected us to make the top 6 this season and we have failed to do that. Does that mean I think we should sack the manager? Absolutely not.

[sjonnie]

You evidently can't read either then.

That comment was critical of Mick's appointment. My argument was that Mick's appointment arguably saved us from ending up in League 1. The wrong appointment with little or no money and a threadbare squad could have spelled disaster. Where exactly did I allude to it being ok to not make the play-offs?

You are trying to suggest that had we not appointed McCarthy we would have been relegated - as a basis for retaining him. While there is no factual basis for that suggestion.

I expected us to make the top 6 this season and we have failed to do that. Does that mean I think we should sack the manager? Absolutely not.

It means you are willing to accept failure.

[Muscat]

Again, you are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 9. The initial quibble was with Mick's appointment. It is my suggestion that with the wrong appointment we may well have (not, as you've put it, "would have") struggled last season. Given this, I think Mick's appointment at that time was the correct one. Where you've got the notion that I'm using it as a basis for him staying is beyond me. I want him to stay because he's trying to build something and 2-years isn't long enough to get from where we were to where we want to be.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Again, you are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 9. The initial quibble was with Mick's appointment. It is my suggestion that with the wrong appointment we may well have (not, as you've put it, "would have") struggled last season. Given this, I think Mick's appointment at that time was the correct one. Where you've got the notion that I'm using it as a basis for him staying is beyond me. I want him to stay because he's trying to build something and 2-years isn't long enough to get from where we were to where we want to be.
Mowbray did it in less time despite having to rebuild completely

[Muscat]

You can't compare the two jobs:

Wolves: Murray, Clyde, Naylor, Breen (Edwards 45), Craddock (capt), Henry, Ricketts (Gobern 82), O'Connor, Cort, Bothroyd (C. Davies 64), Clapham.

ALBION (4-4-2): Zuberbuhler; Albrechtsen, Curtis Davies, Perry, Robinson; Gera (Watson 86), Greening, Quashie, Koumas (Chaplow 74); Ellington (Hartson 67), Kamara. Subs not used: Steele (gk), McShane.

Those are the two sides that the managers played in their first games. One is considerably better than the other, but the gap has been narrowed. Plus Mowbray has spent about £11m this season, which is rather more than MM has.

[sjonnie]

Again, you are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 9. The initial quibble was with Mick's appointment. It is my suggestion that with the wrong appointment we may well have (not, as you've put it, "would have") struggled last season. Given this, I think Mick's appointment at that time was the correct one. Where you've got the notion that I'm using it as a basis for him staying is beyond me. I want him to stay because he's trying to build something and 2-years isn't long enough to get from where we were to where we want to be.

You actually said:
"My argument was that Mick's appointment arguably saved us from ending up in League 1."
in a "Mick Out" thread. I think that is more like 2+2 = 4

I understand your reasons for wanting him to stay and had we shown real progress this year it would have been difficult to argue against, but I really can't see much being built there. We keep making the same mistakes and IMO we are going backwards with McCarthy. If he stays I genuinely believe we can write off next season too.

[Taffywolf]

You can't compare the two jobs:

Wolves: Murray, Clyde, Naylor, Breen (Edwards 45), Craddock (capt), Henry, Ricketts (Gobern 82), O'Connor, Cort, Bothroyd (C. Davies 64), Clapham.

ALBION (4-4-2): Zuberbuhler; Albrechtsen, Curtis Davies, Perry, Robinson; Gera (Watson 86), Greening, Quashie, Koumas (Chaplow 74); Ellington (Hartson 67), Kamara. Subs not used: Steele (gk), McShane.

Those are the two sides that the managers played in their first games. One is considerably better than the other, but the gap has been narrowed. Plus Mowbray has spent about £11m this season, which is rather more than MM has.


But Mowbray brought in over 20 million selling these players. Which means he made the club a 9 mil profit and got them promoted.