View Full Version : Just as I see things.
Essex Wolf
18-09-2005, 21:36
There is much talk about the many problems surrounding the club just now and disharmony seems the order of the day with more and more posters on here voicing their anger, frustration and concerns. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and as I so often say far better to voice them on here and have a rant than attend a game and boo the team or slate individual players.
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Many of us have our own ideas as to how the problem(s) could/should/would be resolved and without doubt there are many options. The one common denominator however is that irrespective of how each of us would see fit as to how to resolve the issues at hand we can all see there are quite a few. Some advocate spending money, others the introduction of youth players and others a mixture of both. I myself believe that the signing of just 2-3 more players would turn our current decent/good squad into a very good one but to do so money must be spent, or should I say should have been spent.
Most common complaints, or should I say concerns, are the lack of cover at LB, the central defensive worry should JLo ever get injured, no cover for Ince who whilst out has highlighted our lack of midfield bite, the seeming inability of the side to convert more of the many chances created into goals and the sides system of play that doesn’t seem to be working?
Blame is apportioned to varying quarters but the simple fact is that the club as a whole is to blame all round. Not just one individual but those from the top downwards, just my view of course but blaming just one or two people or departments is just pushing the blame from one to another as opposed to the whole club being held responsible for yet another season where planning and preparation seem to be severely lacking.
Many of us could see the problems at the club last season when DJ was in charge and whilst the employment of GH, as far as I’m concerned, is a vast improvement on the managerial front, it has not solved the many other problems which as far as I am concerned comes from above. The very fact things have seemingly stood still in some areas is just rank bad leadership, planning, preparation ambition and forethought. I make no apologies for my views but maintain that whilst past lessons go unheeded or learnt from the club will just meander along aimlessly.
Without wanting to go over the old ground about whether money was or wasn’t available simple fact is that none has been spent anyway and this to me is the cause of our current dilemma. Yes we have a squad capable of winning this league but it lacks the strength needed to keep others on their toes. Several players have an easy life IMHO with no pressure on them to perform and until such time as that issue is addressed and then resolved Wolves will do well this season to scrape a <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>PO</st1:place> spot.</FONT
HazelGroveWolf
18-09-2005, 22:11
[QUOTE=Essex Wolf]
There is much talk about the many problems surrounding the club just now and disharmony seems the order of the day with more and more posters on here voicing their anger, frustration and concerns. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and as I so often say far better to voice them on here and have a rant than attend a game and boo the team or slate individual players.
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Many of us have our own ideas as to how the problem(s) could/should/would be resolved and without doubt there are many options. The one common denominator however is that irrespective of how each of us would see fit as to how to resolve the issues at hand we can all see there are quite a few. Some advocate spending money, others the introduction of youth players and others a mixture of both. I myself believe that the signing of just 2-3 more players would turn our current decent/good squad into a very good one but to do so money must be spent, or should I say should have been spent.
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Most common complaints, or should I say concerns, are the lack of cover at LB, the central defensive worry should JLo ever get injured, no cover for Ince who whilst out has highlighted our lack of midfield bite, the seeming inability of the side to convert more of the many chances created into goals and the sides system of play that doesn’t seem to be working?
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Blame is apportioned to varying quarters but the simple fact is that the club as a whole is to blame all round. Not just one individual but those from the top downwards, just my view of course but blaming just one or two people or departments is just pushing the blame from one to another as opposed to the whole club being held responsible for yet another season where planning and preparation seem to be severely lacking.
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Many of us could see the problems at the club last season when DJ was in charge and whilst the employment of GH, as far as I’m concerned, is a vast improvement on the managerial front, it has not solved the many other problems which as far as I am concerned comes from above. The very fact things have seemingly stood still in some areas is just rank bad leadership, planning, preparation ambition and forethought. I make no apologies for my views but maintain that whilst past lessons go unheeded or learnt from the club will just meander along aimlessly.
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Without wanting to go over the old ground about whether money was or wasn’t available simple fact is that none has been spent anyway and this to me is the cause of our current dilemma. Yes we have a squad capable of winning this league but it lacks the strength needed to keep others on their toes. Several players have an easy life IMHO with no pressure on them to perform and until such time as that issue is addressed and then resolved Wolves will do well this season to scrape a <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:PLACE>PO</ST1:
The Bear
18-09-2005, 22:40
We all know how you feel EW. There's no need to keep starting new threads on it.
Bring back Dave Jones! - just for you Essex smileys/smiley2.gif
Only joking though, but after yesterdays performance it got me thinking about the DJ era and how he provided 3 of the best seasons of my life. And when he got it right he put on show the most entertaining football i've seen down the Molineux. The Newcastle game, Play off final, his full season in charge(except for the last few games) where we was putting teams away 3 and 4-0 on a regular basis - brilliant memories.
But the area where Hoddle is a better manager is where he wont just spend for the sake of it like DJ did with Silas and Roussel etc, he wants to wait for quality. And if the quality isnt available/too expensive i dont want him spending it on dross like DJ used to do.
I have no doubt the money is available for players but if Hoddle doesnt want to spend it on players that arent better than what we've got i'd prefere it to stay in the bank. I think some fans would rather we spent £2m on a average championship player that wouldnt improve the squad, just for the sake of it.
The area where i think Hoddle is poor is his tactics, when the 4-3-3 goes well it looks great but when it isn't there is no plan B. Yesterday was a great example, at half time you could see the formation wasnt working against their 4-5-1 and needed changing but we continued to bang our head against a brick wall.
I think we have a squad when all fit to be challenging for a top 2 position but with the injuries we have at the minute we need to change the formation.
We're only 9 games into the season, there is no need to panic just yet and i have faith in Hoddle to get things right. More performances like yesterday and tuesday and i'll be worried but until it becomes a regular event i wont lose any sleep.
Big Mack
18-09-2005, 22:47
OK we are 5 points short of where I would like to be just now.
Just the five!!!
Big Mack
18-09-2005, 22:51
But the area where Hoddle is a better manager is where he wont just spend for the sake of it like DJ did with Silas and Roussel etc, he wants to wait for quality.
Bad choice of players there as both are quality (IMHO), just neither was employed properly by Jones.
Bugsy911
18-09-2005, 22:54
Bring back Dave Jones! - just for you Essex smileys/smiley2.gif
I have no doubt the money is available for players but if Hoddle doesnt want to spend it on players that arent better than what we've got i'd prefere it to stay in the bank. I think some fans would rather we spent £2m on a average championship player that wouldnt improve the squad, just for the sake of it.
This is where I do have an issue !!smileys/smiley7.gif
I would bet nearly every team in this divison has what we need at centre half....a strong commanding leader who organises the back line , its a major weakness for this team and has been for the last 2 seasons.It doesnt cost a fortune and even in recent week's players have been picked up who are far better than what we currently have on offer .
I mean FFS even knackerd old horse's like Ade Williams or Malkay Mckay would do a job for us and cost us jack all....why we ever let Butler go is still beyond me.Edited by: Bugsy911
I would bet nearly every team in this divison has what
we need at centre half....a strong commanding leader who organises the
back line , its a major weakness for this team and has been for the
last 2 seasons.
You're right.
Did anyone else notice the big guy at centrehalf for Leicester
bellowing instructions and generally encouraging his side, showing
excellent leadership?
Yep, Dion Dublin. Leicester picked him up on a Bosman while we were
fannying around with the Michael Duberry fiasco. Nice one Wolves.
astraltrader
18-09-2005, 23:36
Agree with these sentiments. When Butler was let go for the sake of not meeting his demand for the security of a 2-year contract rather than a 12-month this club lost not only a key defender but equally as important proven Captain and Leader. At present we not only lack the presence of Incie in the team but we also lack a natural Captain then as well...
Essex Wolf
18-09-2005, 23:48
HGW, you say FFSbe a supporter. For $$$$$$ sake man what do you think I'v been the past years.
It's about bloody time the club started acting in a professional and organised manner and then they might see some of the lost supporters coming back.
Throwing money away is not, in my opinion, being professional. Newcastle have spent 50M and until today were around 10 places higher than us in the league.
HazelGroveWolf
19-09-2005, 00:06
HGW, you say FFSbe a supporter. For $$$$$$ sake man what do you think I'v been the past years.
It's about bloody time the club started acting in a professional and organised manner and then they might see some of the lost supporters coming back.
I'm suggesting that, you sit down and relax. My understanding of the meaning of support is contribution to the subject to remain upstanding. You seam intent on undermining the foundations for better or most likely worse.
You talk about professionalism but isn't the art of professionalism the ability to analyse anddevise solutions in a coherent way according to circumstance? Your bleating does not do any of that.
whitemouse75
19-09-2005, 00:10
what about the other 71 league clubs whose attendances are down?
didnt butler get booed off the pitch and forced into the reserves?
astraltrader
19-09-2005, 01:03
Butler did in fact go through a bad patch. No argument about that - but don`t you concede his authority as a generally sound influence in the heart of our defence along with his ability to act as an alternative captain would have been pretty damn useful over the past 2 seasons...
tiggerkev
19-09-2005, 01:17
It appears the general opinion is bring in new players. But put your self in these "new" players boots. Would you want to move to a club where the home ground has little atmosphere, the supporters easily get on players backs. The song " you only sing when you are winning" comes to mind.
If these players were to read these threads they would run miles to keep away from the mol. Lets face it even if we do have the cash to spend most of the talented players will not come.
Would you if you were a player prefer playing in a noisy stadium that gets behind you or be scared to make errors in case the crowd got on to you.
There are many problems within Wolves but we as Wolves fans have to do our bit.
Stan Cutlass
19-09-2005, 08:15
If only I had a sleep emoticon...
smileys/smiley12.gifoh, there it is.Edited by: Stan Cutlass
But the area where Hoddle is a better manager is where he wont just spend for the sake of it like DJ did with Silas and Roussel etc, he wants to wait for quality.
Bad choice of players there as both are quality (IMHO), just neither was employed properly by Jones.
We spent about £3m on the pair of them yet they only played around 10 games between them. I thought Roussel was harshly treated and should of been given more of a chance but how can you say Silas was quality? No-one has seen him play enough to be able to judge he's a quality player, and lets face it, if he was that good he'd still be here. Edited by: Sparky
Anglian Wolf
19-09-2005, 10:41
Hi Essex - I see you're on-line.
This isindeed well worn ground that you tread. As it happens, I would agree that we should have got better defensive cover and better cover for central midfield. We saw the lack of midfield quality on Saturday in our failure to breakdown a negative Leicester side.
Fact is, though, we are where we are with only the option of a loan signing before January. I hope he brings someone in and I hope that there will be greater determination to bring in the missing quality we need in the New Year.
In the meantime, we still have a half decent squad and one good enough to keep within play-off contention until then.
A little more support and a little less whining (of the sort I heard in the car listening to the Wolf on the way back to Suffolk after the match on Saturday) ought to be the order of the day.
Come on me babbies
ooh la la
19-09-2005, 12:21
Maybe Hoddle arrived too early! Maybe Megsan should of
been appointed to get us out of the Championship, not a tactician but good at
motivating the team and slogging it out. Once promoted; the appointment
of a manager more suited to the open play of the Prem, just a thought.
Essex Wolf
19-09-2005, 12:22
Hello AW. I'll still be there the next few games cheering the lads on and giving my full vocal support as I always do but if I said I was happy with things just now, feel they will improve and had high hopes for the future I'd be a liar mate.