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[Edgmond Wolf]

I found this posted elsewhere....


What on earth do some of you lot expect?!! I don’t watch you every week but given where your club was 2 years ago, some of the abuse McCarthy has been getting this season (so soon after so many of you were seemingly behind him) is astonishing.
Honest opinion, I look at your team sheet, and there is nothing to fear on there. Kightly when fit and Hennessey aside, I don’t see a side that’s immeasurably better than the likes of Sheffield Wednesday. Some of you rightly point out that it’s not immeasurably worse than Stoke, but Stoke are a physical side with experienced players. The average age of your team is 21.
Perhaps I’m wrong and I don’t wish to sound patronising, but my honest opinion is that getting to the play-offs last year was the worst thing you could’ve done, expectation has been too high on a young team and a small squad.
You gave us a decent game last night, but we rightly won, not because I’m being biased, but because, as some of the more sensible posts from your fans have pointed out, we’ve built this side over the best part of about 8 years with the help of Premiership and parachute money (spent well) that you lot just haven’t had.
I’ve seen fickle before but you lot defy belief


It is sad when a Boggies fan has to point out the obvious. :eek:

Let us get over the Black Country Derby and make sure we are 100% behind the lads again on Saturday

[Space Wolf]

Always easy to criticise the fans when it's not your team though isn't it?

[Reach For The Sky]

Always easy to criticise the fans when it's not your team though isn't it?

Yes! As I've already said, some West Brom fans wanted rid of Mowbray after a handful of games and even more after they failed to beat Derby in the play-off final.

I wonder if that sympathetic West Brom fan is really a Wolves fan adopting an absurd pretence.

[Del Woppio]

That post is spot on.

[Space Wolf]

I bet we all think Chelsea fans are stupid for wanting Avram Grant out when they could still win the Champions League. They have their reasons just like some Wolves fans have their reasons for wanting rid of McCarthy.

[Del Woppio]

Yes, and those reasons are born of idiocy and a delusion that they have a right to success.

[Davebull]

Money spent.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Yes, and those reasons are born of idiocy and a delusion that they have a right to success.
No Its due to wanting to see football played properly by players with a degree of skill and technical ability Elokobi/Collins cant pass the ball Keogh can trap a ball further than I can kick it, Gibson must come from the remedial class at the Man Utd Academy, Jarvis is a winger who cant cross, Gray is a journeyman leftback playing on the right wing. I could go through the squad...

[Edgmond Wolf]

No Its due to wanting to see football played properly by players with a degree of skill and technical ability Elokobi/Collins cant pass the ball Keogh can trap a ball further than I can kick it, Gibson must come from the remedial class at the Man Utd Academy, Jarvis is a winger who cant cross, Gray is a journeyman leftback playing on the right wing. I could go through the squad...

Out of order

Gray ran his socks off again last night. It meant alot to him you could tell by the way he challenged for the ball and got stuck in. Keogh won lots in the air and again worked hard for the team.

We were beaten by the better team end of story.

We need fans who get behind the team not ones who ALWAYS moan on here :eek:

[ProudWolf]

No Its due to wanting to see football played properly by players with a degree of skill and technical ability Elokobi/Collins cant pass the ball Keogh can trap a ball further than I can kick it, Gibson must come from the remedial class at the Man Utd Academy, Jarvis is a winger who cant cross, Gray is a journeyman leftback playing on the right wing. I could go through the squad...

You can pick faults with every player in the league and go through every squad in the Championship. You choose to look at the negatives whereas most other people can see we have some exciting young talent and are slowly moulding a decent team. Yes McCarthy has had his faults this season but again most managers across the country make errors.
If you dont approve of the new policy and team building then stop attending.

[The Vicar]

Many Boggies thought they were heading for relegation when the season kicked off they were so unsure of Mowbray and his signings.

They are the best footballing side in the league no doubt, but are they the best football side? Defending is a part of football, and unless they have major overhauls of the defensive side of their team, they will do a Derby. i think one of the most disappointing things about last night was we all knew where their weakness was, but our players/manager didn't have the wherewithall to exploit it.

[madcav]

You can pick faults with every player in the league and go through every squad in the Championship. You choose to look at the negatives whereas most other people can see we have some exciting young talent and are slowly moulding a decent team. Yes McCarthy has had his faults this season but again most managers across the country make errors.
If you dont approve of the new policy and team building then stop attending.

Please don't delude yourself ! Last night proved that the exciting young talent you talk about are very young, but most are not very exciting.
Whether that is through lack of talent or lack of proper coaching I don't know, but when the manager feels we played well after a performance of last night's standard then I feel the root of the problem lies with him.

[ProudWolf]

Please don't delude yourself ! Last night proved that the exciting young talent you talk about are very young, but most are not very exciting.
Whether that is through lack of talent or lack of proper coaching I don't know, but when the manager feels we played well after a performance of last night's standard then I feel the root of the problem lies with him.

Look at the bigger picture not just one game where we lost by the odd goal to the best team in the league.
And do you really want McCarthy to come out at this stage of the season and start saying we were rubbish. Some brains are required here. Ferguson or Wenger would stick up for their team after a defeat to better opposition so why shouldn't McCarthy?

[Edgmond Wolf]

It was end to end last night. It was an exciting match but the $$$$e were better than us.

I think we do have a set of talented youngsters we just need to add a bit of experience to it in the form of some leaders on the pitch. Just look at the captains job that Jody did last night top performance one or two to add

[madcav]

Look at the bigger picture not just one game where we lost by the odd goal to the best team in the league.
And do you really want McCarthy to come out at this stage of the season and start saying we were rubbish. Some brains are required here. Ferguson or Wenger would stick up for their team after a defeat to better opposition so why shouldn't McCarthy?

There's sticking up for your team and there's making yourself look a complete buffoon !!!
I really do hope this team turn out to be Championship contenders (I know there is still a chance this year) but we really need to add a bit of class/experience to the team, especially in midfield where we are totally inept. Whoever sold Olifinjana to us as the "new Viera" must be the same agent that Corica had when he was peddled as being as good as Maradona.

[OCD Wolf]

Out of order

Gray ran his socks off again last night. It meant alot to him you could tell by the way he challenged for the ball and got stuck in. Keogh won lots in the air and again worked hard for the team.

We were beaten by the better team end of story.

We need fans who get behind the team not ones who ALWAYS moan on here :eek:


But that's the point, I would work hard and it would mean a lot to me, but I aint good enough to be a professional footballer. I would work hard but don't have the ability.

Getting 'stuck in' aint enough. You have to be good enough.

Can McCarthy tell the difference?

Motivating someone to 'put a shift in' is easy, spotting, coaching and encouraging genuininely talented players is the hard part.

[Edgmond Wolf]

But that's the point, I would work hard and it would mean a lot to me, but I aint good enough to be a professional footballer. I would work hard but don't have the ability.

Getting 'stuck in' aint enough. You have to be good enough.

Can McCarthy tell the difference?

Motivating someone to 'put a shift in' is easy, spotting, coaching and encouraging genuininely talented players is the hard part.


Gray was good enough last night hence the out of order comment

[Mr Wolf]

That origional post is spot on.

Whilst it does hurt once again not getting promoted I can see the team growing and with a few new additions of real quality and experience I think we can be a force next year.

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

always next yr aint it , sick of seeing/hearing it

why cant it be this yr instead of next yr ??

the word quality springs to mind some of which we dont have

quantity over quality again at the wolves , mick has spent big on other teams cast offs

[The Alchemist]

always next yr aint it , sick of seeing/hearing it

why cant it be this yr instead of next yr ??





I want the big bag of sweets now or I'll scream and scream!!

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

lol what i was trying to say was ...........

our saying is

watch us next season we'll do this and that

im sick of hearing this saying

[cooper_J]

I found this posted elsewhere....


What on earth do some of you lot expect?!! I don’t watch you every week but given where your club was 2 years ago, some of the abuse McCarthy has been getting this season (so soon after so many of you were seemingly behind him) is astonishing.
Honest opinion, I look at your team sheet, and there is nothing to fear on there. Kightly when fit and Hennessey aside, I don’t see a side that’s immeasurably better than the likes of Sheffield Wednesday. Some of you rightly point out that it’s not immeasurably worse than Stoke, but Stoke are a physical side with experienced players. The average age of your team is 21.
Perhaps I’m wrong and I don’t wish to sound patronising, but my honest opinion is that getting to the play-offs last year was the worst thing you could’ve done, expectation has been too high on a young team and a small squad.
You gave us a decent game last night, but we rightly won, not because I’m being biased, but because, as some of the more sensible posts from your fans have pointed out, we’ve built this side over the best part of about 8 years with the help of Premiership and parachute money (spent well) that you lot just haven’t had.
I’ve seen fickle before but you lot defy belief



He's absolutely spot on.

[19th Holer]

Before commenting, ask yourself this question.

We make the play-offs.

The next season we spend nigh on 7 million quid before or during the season improving the squad in an inferior standard division.

Where would you suggest is a satisfactory finishing position ?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Its the failure apologist that have held our club back.

[Sharples]

I found this posted elsewhere....


What on earth do some of you lot expect?!! I don’t watch you every week but given where your club was 2 years ago, some of the abuse McCarthy has been getting this season (so soon after so many of you were seemingly behind him) is astonishing.
Honest opinion, I look at your team sheet, and there is nothing to fear on there. Kightly when fit and Hennessey aside, I don’t see a side that’s immeasurably better than the likes of Sheffield Wednesday.

Think that sums up why Mick has to go then doesn't it...? Spent millions to get to that level!

[PREM.L.L]

Horrible to say but he's got some good points.

Making the play-offs was a bit of a $$$$er for future expectation levels. That said the performances of last season quite rightly gave us hope for this season. Essentially they have been pretty crap.

Not sure where we go. Was expecting a kick in the teeth when everyone was harping on about "can we make auto!". I've even got fears about the weekend confirming our mediocrity and essentially condemning us to another season in pergatory.

[sjonnie]

I found this posted elsewhere....


What on earth do some of you lot expect?!! I don’t watch you every week but given where your club was 2 years ago, some of the abuse McCarthy has been getting this season (so soon after so many of you were seemingly behind him) is astonishing.
Honest opinion, I look at your team sheet, and there is nothing to fear on there. Kightly when fit and Hennessey aside, I don’t see a side that’s immeasurably better than the likes of Sheffield Wednesday. Some of you rightly point out that it’s not immeasurably worse than Stoke, but Stoke are a physical side with experienced players. The average age of your team is 21.
Perhaps I’m wrong and I don’t wish to sound patronising, but my honest opinion is that getting to the play-offs last year was the worst thing you could’ve done, expectation has been too high on a young team and a small squad.
You gave us a decent game last night, but we rightly won, not because I’m being biased, but because, as some of the more sensible posts from your fans have pointed out, we’ve built this side over the best part of about 8 years with the help of Premiership and parachute money (spent well) that you lot just haven’t had.
I’ve seen fickle before but you lot defy belief


It is sad when a Boggies fan has to point out the obvious. :eek:

Let us get over the Black Country Derby and make sure we are 100% behind the lads again on Saturday

Except that it isn’t stating the obvious – it’s stating the inaccurate. It’s a smug post from a gloating fan.

Where were we then, 2 years ago? Exactly where we are now, outside the playoff places. His criticsm of the team in that WH and MK apart there is nothing to fear could be applied to just about any side in the CCC. No side has been outstanding this year (including Albion) which is why they are only 2 points clear of the mighty Hull City – (premiership money, parachute payments?). They haven’t been building a side for 8 years – that’s just poppycock. Mowbray has only been there 2 years and their side will be cherry picked just like all the others if they don’t go up. As for us not to expect to make the play-offs – that should be a minimum expectation for any club with a decent fan base, substantial backing and facilities, and a competent manager/coach. Unfortunately we don’t have the latter.

[kennyB]

The Boggies weren't the only team to get parachute money either, they just spent it better than we did.

[Jonzy54]

Currently tidying bedroom prior to decorating and have come across a copy of E&S on the day we signed Freddie. There was another article in which MM said there will be no excuses for not making the top 2 this season.I agree entirely. We have had money,we have some good players and we have a good fan base. If we fail this year I hope every player owns up to the fact that they did not do enough. I hope the coaching staff admit they did not do enough I hope the Manager admits he was wrong in some of his signings,his tactics and his formations.
Albion are better than us,simple as that,but to finish behind Bristol City,Stoke and Hull is inexcusable. I could have tolerated the likes of Charlton,Sheff Utd,Palace or even Ipswich but if we fail to make it ,there is no excuse.
I just hope SM is big enough to undertake a proper evaluation ,and if changes ensue they are undertaken from top to bottom and not merely re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic.
The club does need a shake up to move away from the current Gentleman's club lethargy that currently pervades. Good businessmen are ruthless and are pro-active not merely re-active to a crisis. If we fail I want/demand decisive action. I am sick of clinging to the hope of a Play -Off place-I want automatic promotion-not 2/3 years down the line with a so called young hungry squad. Football is about the here and now. We have waited for decisive action for long enough. Over to you Mr Morgan.

[Munich_Wolf]

How the hell can the boggie be spot on when he firstly says MM is doing a good job, then says our squad is no better than Sheffield Wednesdays :rolleyes:

We've got to back the team at this stage but in the close season MM should go.

[wallace]

new owner, manager in his second season who reached the playoffs first time round with a squad we hoped would keep us in the division at best and challenging for top 6 despite a heavy injury list this season. a bit of reality is required here. the haywood era where we largely failed is over and we have to take on board its a new start, dont spoil it by linking it to the past.

[Jonzy54]

new owner, manager in his second season who reached the playoffs first time round with a squad we hoped would keep us in the division at best and challenging for top 6 despite a heavy injury list this season. a bit of reality is required here. the haywood era where we largely failed is over and we have to take on board its a new start, dont spoil it by linking it to the past.

Like I said I am sick of clinging to the hope of merely striving for a top 6 place. By his own admission MM will have failed if we don't make the top 2. With the exception of Albion I am sick of being behind such patent mediocrity year on year. If you are happy scrambling after a top 6 place,I am not.

[Premier Quality]

Like I said I am sick of clinging to the hope of merely striving for a top 6 place. By his own admission MM will have failed if we don't make the top 2. With the exception of Albion I am sick of being behind such patent mediocrity year on year. If you are happy scrambling after a top 6 place,I am not.

Bugger off and support Man Utd then, unrealistic glory boy. last year we were a weak team that overperformed. This year we've improved the squad (Mainly halfway through the season) and everyone else has as well - WE ARE NOT MAN UTD OR CHELSEA and always going to finish at the top, we may be the greatest club in the world (I'm a little biased) but we are not the richest and we do not have the greatest team.

Why does everyone think this league is worse than last year, bearing in mind the huge amounts of money spent by most of the teams in it? about ten teams have spent between 3-8 million this year, I cant remember the last time that happened in the championship.

This year I expected the playoffs, and we might still get there. If we dont go up, then next year I expect top four minimum and would be disapointed not to be top two.

[Jonzy54]

Bugger off and support Man Utd then, unrealistic glory boy. last year we were a weak team that overperformed. This year we've improved the squad (Mainly halfway through the season) and everyone else has as well - WE ARE NOT MAN UTD OR CHELSEA and always going to finish at the top, we may be the greatest club in the world (I'm a little biased) but we are not the richest and we do not have the greatest team.

Why does everyone think this league is worse than last year, bearing in mind the huge amounts of money spent by most of the teams in it? about ten teams have spent between 3-8 million this year, I cant remember the last time that happened in the championship.

This year I expected the playoffs, and we might still get there. If we dont go up, then next year I expect top four minimum and would be disapointed not to be top two.
I have supported this club since 1958 so I am hardly a glory hunter. You are deluded if you think this a strong league. We went 8 games without a win around Christmas yet we still have a chance of going up.Furthermore 50/52 points are usually enough to stop up,it won't be nearly enough this year. 76 points is usually considered the bench mark to make 6th place-70 will probably be enough this year.
With the exception of Albion the league is much of a muchness. Like I said we have money ,with a great fan base and whilst this guarantees nothing,it flaming well helps. We have wasted loads of money over the years,as we have this year. If you are happy year on year to aim at the playoffs,I am not.Strong decisive action is required at year end if we don't go up.

[Big Saft Kid]

A good mate of mine is a Boggy and a sensible one. Here's his email relflections to me on Albion and Wolves:

There are four reasons why Albion have not run away at the top of the league:

an inability to deal with the high ball into the six yard area (because nobody in the defence is bigger than me and Mowbray has done nothing about it for nearly 2 seasons)
over elaboration in trying to play the ball out of defence – even off the goal line
on occasions, the team converts a low percentage of many chances into goals
tactical naivety regardless of the state of play – plan A is to attack, attack, attack which is the same as plan B and Plan C.
When these factors apply together, the side concedes 4 at home to Coventry, 4 at home to Leicester and 3 at home to Colchester.

Apart from Stoke, no club in the top half of the division has taken many points off Albion so it follows that those toward the bottom have been doing so. Norwich, Southampton and QPR are still ahead so no one feels comfortable about automatic promotion. Given the first and fourth bullet points, Albion would find life difficult in the play-offs with Stoke or Watford or Bristol City

I do fancy Hull to go up. The club has been consistent since the turn of the year. Caleb Folan and Frazier Campbell are threats up front. A good goal difference, second only to the Albion, is a positive indication.



Wolves have a reasonably good opportunity to get into the play-offs. I agree that there is nothing to choose among the clubs who are likely to be there. Perhaps we will both get to Wembley yet. Ipswich, Crystal Palace and Hull have difficult games ahead. For example, Ipswich, the best home side in the division, host Hull, the team in form, on the last day of the season.

[Premier Quality]

I have supported this club since 1958 so I am hardly a glory hunter. You are deluded if you think this a strong league. We went 8 games without a win around Christmas yet we still have a chance of going up.Furthermore 50/52 points are usually enough to stop up,it won't be nearly enough this year. 76 points is usually considered the bench mark to make 6th place-70 will probably be enough this year.
With the exception of Albion the league is much of a muchness. Like I said we have money ,with a great fan base and whilst this guarantees nothing,it flaming well helps. We have wasted loads of money over the years,as we have this year. If you are happy year on year to aim at the playoffs,I am not.Strong decisive action is required at year end if we don't go up.

Those statistics just show that the league is similar - and could be similarly weak or similarly strong. Bearing in mind the amount of money spent this season by multiple teams, and assuming the majority of the signings improved teams, it would suggest this is a strong league and that is why no-one is running away with it, promotion points tallies are lower than normal and relegation ones higher.

The fact three teams in the semis of the FA would also bear this out.

I also dont get what we've wasted loads of money on to be honest. Eastwood, yes wasted, but SEB? Foley? Jarvis? Elokobi? Edwards? All would at least get their transfer fee back if we were to sell and most have been linked to premiership clubs at higher fees, so I wouldnt say we've wasted money. Eastwood we will probably get his fee back as well to be honest, so even thats not wasted.

I wont argue with you over wasting money in the past though, I just dont think MM for all his faults has done anything but a good job in the transfer market.

[Jonzy54]

Those statistics just show that the league is similar - and could be similarly weak or similarly strong. Bearing in mind the amount of money spent this season by multiple teams, and assuming the majority of the signings improved teams, it would suggest this is a strong league and that is why no-one is running away with it, promotion points tallies are lower than normal and relegation ones higher.

The fact three teams in the semis of the FA would also bear this out.

I also dont get what we've wasted loads of money on to be honest. Eastwood, yes wasted, but SEB? Foley? Jarvis? Elokobi? Edwards? All would at least get their transfer fee back if we were to sell and most have been linked to premiership clubs at higher fees, so I wouldnt say we've wasted money. Eastwood we will probably get his fee back as well to be honest, so even thats not wasted.

I wont argue with you over wasting money in the past though, I just dont think MM for all his faults has done anything but a good job in the transfer market.
Whatever the reasons behind it all ,but Eastwood has been a failure as has Elliott. Ward has been no better than all the other Central Defenders,ie no pace and doesn't dominate at set pieces. Whilst I agree that we would probably get our money back /or more on the others it will still constitute a waste if they don't achieve what we purchased them for in the first place namely Promotion.

[Premier Quality]

I forgot Elliot who I agree is pish. Ward is okay cover, and cover we needed to be honest, so I dont really complain about him.

The thing is, the only way we were going to go up this year was the playoffs, and we can still do that. The biggest improvements were in the january transfer window and we were hit by injuries to both our wingers. I've posted a lot about youngsters and cover for the wings so won't bang on again, but I honestly think our squad has improved hugely from now compared to what it was at the end of last year.

There was never any guarantee we would go up this year and i said at the start of the season my expectation was playoffs (and then its a lottery). I would expect some more good signings in the summer and then top four at least.

[wolfie smith]

Yes, and those reasons are born of idiocy and a delusion that they have a right to success.

no they can see chelsea play crap and mr charisma is not the manager for them, the same as some of us can see MM isnt right for us.

[Panthera]

Baggie signing in - I come in peace, can't be bothered gloating.

Couple of things;

1. "Many Albion fans wanted Mowbray out after a few games and after the Play Off Final."

Bobbins sir. Some probably did, some nutters always exist and are only happy when they moan. Suggesting there was a groundswell or upsurging of discontent is very wide of the mark. Mowbray's always been a fairly popular manager.

2. "Many Albion fans thought that they would be relegated at the start of the season."

Same lines apply as above. I'm not aware of any Albion fan that was slitting his wrists. If they were, they were cuckoo.

Right, listen up; You lost a game of football 1-0. It could have been better, it could've been worse. Because it was against West Bromwich Albion, there's an outpouring of grief and a desire to find the source of where it all went wrong, blood-letting and all that.

You're 3 points off the Play Offs, FFS. Had you lost 1-0 to Plymouth, half of these threads wouldn't have been started.

Whenever I log on to here, or any other Wolves site, I'm amazed at the vitriol that's aimed at Albion in general. By all means laugh when we lose, have a rivalry and all that; but I know Wolves fans who know Albion's fixture list better than I do! I was in a boozer when you scored the winner against Charlton, first song that was aired was "Always **** on a Tesco carrier bag" and "we hate Albion" soon followed. Why?

As someone rightly said, it is easy to blame the fans. I'm not dingle-bashing here. But FFS, the game has gone now. You've got a massive game on Saturday and still 90% of the threads on this forum are reflecting on Tuesday and what it means; where it leaves the club etc. etc. etc.

Move on, forget about us. It'll do you the world of good.

[Law's Bus]

My life - one of "them" who talks sense!

;)

Should I be saying that I agree with your comments?

[Ponty]

Panthera makes a good point. Taking a local rivalry too seriously hasn't done Spurs or Man City much good over recent years. I 'm sure if Arsenal and Man U disappeared from the league it these clubs would improve significantly. I'm sure sometimes people lose the bigger picture when they become obsessed by local rivalries. Perhaps its no surprise we finally eacaped from this division when Albion weren't here with us!

[Panthera]

My life - one of "them" who talks sense!

;)

Should I be saying that I agree with your comments?

No, you should be saying I'm inbred, shouldn't be able to spell with having been educated in Sandwell and that I smell; make me feel at home ;)

[Atlas 1951]

No, you should be saying I'm inbred, shouldn't be able to spell with having been educated in Sandwell and that I smell; make me feel at home ;)

All of the above is taken as a given. ;)

[RoffeyWolf]

Baggie signing in - I come in peace, can't be bothered gloating.

Couple of things;

1. "Many Albion fans wanted Mowbray out after a few games and after the Play Off Final."

Bobbins sir. Some probably did, some nutters always exist and are only happy when they moan. Suggesting there was a groundswell or upsurging of discontent is very wide of the mark. Mowbray's always been a fairly popular manager.

2. "Many Albion fans thought that they would be relegated at the start of the season."

Same lines apply as above. I'm not aware of any Albion fan that was slitting his wrists. If they were, they were cuckoo.

Right, listen up; You lost a game of football 1-0. It could have been better, it could've been worse. Because it was against West Bromwich Albion, there's an outpouring of grief and a desire to find the source of where it all went wrong, blood-letting and all that.

You're 3 points off the Play Offs, FFS. Had you lost 1-0 to Plymouth, half of these threads wouldn't have been started.

Whenever I log on to here, or any other Wolves site, I'm amazed at the vitriol that's aimed at Albion in general. By all means laugh when we lose, have a rivalry and all that; but I know Wolves fans who know Albion's fixture list better than I do! I was in a boozer when you scored the winner against Charlton, first song that was aired was "Always **** on a Tesco carrier bag" and "we hate Albion" soon followed. Why?

As someone rightly said, it is easy to blame the fans. I'm not dingle-bashing here. But FFS, the game has gone now. You've got a massive game on Saturday and still 90% of the threads on this forum are reflecting on Tuesday and what it means; where it leaves the club etc. etc. etc.

Move on, forget about us. It'll do you the world of good.


Nope its just because Albion are "top dog" in the Wolves V WBA rivalry. 10 years ago, when it was the opposite, you (Albion) would have been the same. We didn't care as muvh about you then, as Chelsea dont with QPR etc.

Its easier to dismiss a rivalvry when you are on top.

[Panthera]

I don't recall you being "on top" in terms of rivalry since the days of Bull and Mutch. You were in a better position than us in general, but you'd never find many Albion fans then saying "we need to be like Wolves" or "when are we going to be as good as them" or even "why don't we play like them".

We took the $$$$$, yes. There we times when we wished we had SJH's money, definitely. But there's definitely an obsessive nature to some Wolves fans now that we never had.

Put simply, the Albion should not matter to you. You're Wolves fans, not anti-Albion fans. The more you wind yourselves up about the Albion, the bigger the problem at the Wolves...

[Premier Quality]

problem is mate, I dont think its really about the baggies game, every time we lose theres a poll about sacking MM, and people whinging. The tuesday game was just another defeat, even if it is harder to take.

[crocos]

Baggie signing in - I come in peace, can't be bothered gloating.

[...]

I was in a boozer when you scored the winner against Charlton, first song that was aired was "Always **** on a Tesco carrier bag" and "we hate Albion" soon followed. Why?

Move on, forget about us. It'll do you the world of good.


You make some good points Panthera, and FWIW I was in our end when we beat Charlton a few weeks back - I too found it a tad bizarre that such songs should come out at a glorious time like that, one of the highlights of a pretty glum season so far. A non-Wolves mate who was with me commented on it too. Funny at times, but also a tad parochial IMHO.

[Bedford Wolf]

problem is mate, I dont think its really about the baggies game, every time we lose theres a poll about sacking MM, and people whinging. The tuesday game was just another defeat, even if it is harder to take.

The problem is that at the start of the season we set up to attack with 2 wingers, Jarvis and Kites. We've not been able to play both at the same time due to injuries. Take a player like Kites out of any side in this league and they'd struggle. Add to that the strikers not scoring the goals (until SEB signed) and the fans get disgruntled.

There's always someone who want's the manager out, regardless of who he may be. The internet just gives them a higher profile.

[Edgmond Wolf]

Baggie signing in - I come in peace, can't be bothered gloating.

Your team played better than us on Tuesday...

Now $$$$ off and leave us in peace ;)

[Panthera]

problem is mate, I dont think its really about the baggies game, every time we lose theres a poll about sacking MM, and people whinging. The tuesday game was just another defeat, even if it is harder to take.

Point taken. But I don't recall the "We wanna be like Palace" comments when you lost to Palace or the "We need to be more like Stoke" when you lost to them.

[YarmouthBaggie]

A good opinion if you ask me anyway.

[Ponty]

Quite frankly I suspect most Stoke fans wish they weren't like Stoke!:D

Just realised I'm letting my local rivalry getting the better of me and I've lost the ability for rational thought....

[Waggy's Boots]

Baggie signing in - I come in peace, can't be bothered gloating.

Couple of things;

1. "Many Albion fans wanted Mowbray out after a few games and after the Play Off Final."

Bobbins sir. Some probably did, some nutters always exist and are only happy when they moan. Suggesting there was a groundswell or upsurging of discontent is very wide of the mark. Mowbray's always been a fairly popular manager.

2. "Many Albion fans thought that they would be relegated at the start of the season."

Same lines apply as above. I'm not aware of any Albion fan that was slitting his wrists. If they were, they were cuckoo.

Right, listen up; You lost a game of football 1-0. It could have been better, it could've been worse. Because it was against West Bromwich Albion, there's an outpouring of grief and a desire to find the source of where it all went wrong, blood-letting and all that.

You're 3 points off the Play Offs, FFS. Had you lost 1-0 to Plymouth, half of these threads wouldn't have been started.

Whenever I log on to here, or any other Wolves site, I'm amazed at the vitriol that's aimed at Albion in general. By all means laugh when we lose, have a rivalry and all that; but I know Wolves fans who know Albion's fixture list better than I do! I was in a boozer when you scored the winner against Charlton, first song that was aired was "Always **** on a Tesco carrier bag" and "we hate Albion" soon followed. Why?

As someone rightly said, it is easy to blame the fans. I'm not dingle-bashing here. But FFS, the game has gone now. You've got a massive game on Saturday and still 90% of the threads on this forum are reflecting on Tuesday and what it means; where it leaves the club etc. etc. etc.

Move on, forget about us. It'll do you the world of good.


Probably one of the best posts on this board this week. The future is in our hands we can do nothing about the past.

[The Weasel]

Sound comments Panthera, can't argue with any of that. Good luck with the autos, we don't want you again in the play-offs!

[MK Panther]

I think we can all accept we did not give ourself a chance when we were promoted 3 good signings would have kept us up yet we penny pinched our way to relegation on the back of maximising profit.

Lescott and Miller were injured in our Premiership year and our defence like always was creaky and average yet as always we did not nothing. It seems Molineux managers can only think of attack, defence has been paid lip service by so many past and current managers. Look at our goal difference and compare against all the other contenders, head to head we do not have the statistics to suggest that we will do no more than miss out.

Next year will bring much the same, minus some key players who may leave for pastures new, Albion and the Blues spent well in their first Premiership sojourn, we acted like rabbits caught in the full glare of the headlamps. At no stage this season have we looked consistently threatening over say a 6-10 game period. Keeping my fingers crossed, just hope it works out in our favour.

[itsonlyagame]

I could go through the squad...

I'm sure you could go through the squad SW. Is this your attempt at coming out??

[itsonlyagame]

I was in a boozer when you scored the winner against Charlton, first song that was aired was "Always **** on a Tesco carrier bag" and "we hate Albion" soon followed. Why?

All that you say is total sense. As for the above chants, they sum up the paranoia that flows from the Molineux stands every game. "Oh my god - the Albion are better than we are!" But then there are people everywhere and in all walks of life who firmly believe that the only way to get yourself onto an equal footing with someone (or a team) currently more successful than you are, is to try and drag them down to your level rather than trying to aspire to be where they are.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Dewsburywolf]

All that you say is total sense. As for the above chants, they sum up the paranoia that flows from the Molineux stands every game. "Oh my god - the Albion are better than we are!" But then there are people everywhere and in all walks of life who firmly believe that the only way to get yourself onto an equal footing with someone (or a team) currently more successful than you are, is to try and drag them down to your level rather than trying to aspire to be where they are.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And there you have it. But talking sense isn't allowed mate. :rolleyes:

[MK Panther]

I agree with the sentiments that Albion are Albion and we are Wolves. I wish them well and have no great animosity towards them, like any local team we want to beat them but this aggressive baiting is simply ridiculous. Most people that call them the Sh**e should hang their head in shame we should be bigger than that, we cannot even get promoted after all the wasted energy directed at a team who may very well be going up again.

Wolves have a good support base a good ground a rich owner and we should be ambitious enough to want promotion to the Premiership.

[reanswolf]

Dont agree we have a good ground - it is lousy and like one of those old dutch stadiums with enough room for an athletcis track around it, altho the stands themselves are ok.
We have a worse team at the end of the day compared to Albion. I agree with the albion chaps post, but I think he is forgetting that a lot of albion fans are obsessed with Wolves in exactly the same way. Some even worse, depends if you are a Black Country or Brummy based albion fan I suppose.

[Panthera]

That's wishful thinking mate. Reans, I recall your posts from years ago and you've always been one of the more reasoned ones, but to say that us lot are obsessed isn't true.

[Stewarton Wolf]

That's wishful thinking mate. Reans, I recall your posts from years ago and you've always been one of the more reasoned ones, but to say that us lot are obsessed isn't true.

That's why you're on a Wolves message board at midnight:rolleyes:

[reanswolf]

Good retort Stewarton !!

Panthera, I genuinely think you are underestimating the obsession many albion fans have with Wolves - just listen to songs at a game, anti-Wolves this etc. Spose its split anti Villa anti Wolves so slightly diluted thats all. ALso the fact thsi derby has become one sided in recent years.

Just have to beg to differ mate.

[richard]

Good retort Stewarton !!

Panthera, I genuinely think you are underestimating the obsession many albion fans have with Wolves - just listen to songs at a game, anti-Wolves this etc. Spose its split anti Villa anti Wolves so slightly diluted thats all. ALso the fact thsi derby has become one sided in recent years.

Just have to beg to differ mate.

If this timescale is viewed as less obsessive......

The Vile are still the club to hate. Still, we are generous, and share our dislikes around...;)

http://fansonline.net/westbromwichalbion/poll.php?id=4