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Munro Munro
26-03-2008, 18:54
Freddie starts in the Welsh team tonight
Visage Wolf
26-03-2008, 18:54
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
Dewsburywolf
26-03-2008, 18:56
It's not as if they've got many options is it? Bellamy injured and Earnshaw $$$$e.
Go on Fred grab a Hat Trick. He's got to get at least TWO cos Keogh scored last night.
Up the Taffs. Welsh on my Mother's side.
Big Mack
26-03-2008, 19:54
Brilliant goal, beat five of em and nice touch with the outside of the foot into the corner. Class.
Does this mean he has to start against Charlton?
jbarnettuk1984
26-03-2008, 20:09
no - they are playing luxemburg ffs
no - they are playing luxemburg ffs
Makes no difference god has spoke!;)
Netherton Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:11
Is the Welsh match on TV???
Is the Welsh match on TV???
Check the guide you idle git!;)
Netherton Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:16
Check the guide you idle git!;)
Have done and gone through the channels, just wandered how Big Mack knew how the goal was scored, he must be listening on the radio:)
Have done and gone through the channels, just wandered how Big Mack knew how the goal was scored, he must be listening on the radio:)
Isn't It on BBC Wales? Maybe theirs a stream available somewhere.
no - they are playing luxemburg ffs
As opposed to the world class standard of football served up in the Coca-Cola Championship.
Hatch End Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:20
"The one bit of class in a poor game. Koumas a superb pass to Freddie who took his goal very well"!....... BBC reporter at the game.
Big Mack
26-03-2008, 20:27
Its on S4C. No 134 on Sky. Freddie just scored his and Wales' second. Arrived in the box to knock in a cross.
And he only beat two men for the first. Still a nice finish though. He has done his non-celebration for both. Only one more for the hat trick Dewsbury!
Hatch End Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:28
Wales 2 - Luxemburg 0. Freddie again!
"Eastwood goal, well taken from 7 yards"..........BBC reporter.
Somebody is going to buy Freddie and eventually he is going to rub our noses in it!
Coventry fans will be rubbing their hands with glee!
Still, we'll have Elliott and Kyle.
Kenny Miller scored! Sign Him up.
Hatch End Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:32
Kenny Miller? I'd rather have Freddie!
Kenny Miller? I'd rather have Freddie!
We've already got Freddy.
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:36
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
Ha Ha
Professional
26-03-2008, 20:39
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
$$$$
Ha Ha
Shame he can't do it for Wolves. I'm happy that he's scoring goals for Wales but the fact Is they're against luxembourg which has a population
480,222!!.
SmokeyGB
26-03-2008, 20:46
can only score what is put in front of you.......
Harder to score with 11 men BEHIND the ball than 8 players behind the ball....
ASk England...Could only just beat Andora who have less population than Luxembourg
Bahama Wolf
26-03-2008, 20:47
Shame he can't do it for Wolves. I'm happy that he's scoring goals for Wales but the fact Is they're against luxembourg which has a population
480,222!!.
Its still 130,000 more than over here!:)
Reach For The Sky
26-03-2008, 21:13
Shame he can't do it for Wolves. I'm happy that he's scoring goals for Wales but the fact Is they're against luxembourg which has a population
You'll stop at nothing to rubbish a Wolves player and you question the loyalty of others. Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
Shame he can't do it for Wolves. I'm happy that he's scoring goals for Wales but the fact Is they're against luxembourg which has a population
480,222!!.
$$$$ :mad:
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
Vis picks up ball on halfway line, turns and shoots.....GOAL....ooooppps into own goal.
Reach For The Sky
26-03-2008, 21:18
BTW Paul, what's the population of Wales?
andy-in-seat-190
26-03-2008, 21:26
2.9 million see this thread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/6233450.stm#facts
\population of Andorra 75 000!
Paul
Eastwood is a quality player who hasn't been given a chance this season to show what he can do. He is comfortable with the ball at his feet and in the last two games has shown in vital moments of a game what he can do. That pass to blake in the scunthorpe game (to borrow hoddle's expression)was sublime and he changed the game against QPR. Why have some of you got a rotten attitude towards eastwood. What is your problem with him and why do you dislike him so much?Another poster conflates his stats to give a misleading impression. To lose eastwood right now would be disastrous. What are we going to do , put kevin kyle on to change the game. It'll just be hoofball like in the watford game. I don't want to see that kind of football.
quirky_birky
26-03-2008, 21:30
Shame he can't do it for Wolves. I'm happy that he's scoring goals for Wales but the fact Is they're against luxembourg which has a population
480,222!!.
That's about twice the size of Wolverhampton, according to Wikipedia. Wales weighs in at c. 3 million.
Good to see Eastwood doing well, whoever the opposition. Would rather see him score goals for Wolves though.
GoldenHorseshoe
26-03-2008, 21:36
Its on S4C. No 134 on Sky. Freddie just scored his and Wales' second. Arrived in the box to knock in a cross.
And he only beat two men for the first. Still a nice finish though. He has done his non-celebration for both. Only one more for the hat trick Dewsbury!
He must have fallen out with his team mates, ship him off to Siberia.:rolleyes:
GoldenHorseshoe
26-03-2008, 21:38
Paul
Eastwood is a quality player who hasn't been given a chance this season to show what he can do. He is comfortable with the ball at his feet and in the last two games has shown in vital moments of a game what he can do. That pass to blake in the scunthorpe game (to borrow hoddle's expression)was sublime and he changed the game against QPR. Why have some of you got a rotten attitude towards eastwood. What is your problem with him and why do you dislike him so much?Another poster conflates his stats to give a misleading impression. To lose eastwood right now would be disastrous. What are we going to do , put kevin kyle on to change the game. It'll just be hoofball like in the watford game. I don't want to see that kind of football.
You tell the 76 year old twerp
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
:D
$$$$
Paul's only expressing his opinion-beauty of MM is that we all have differing opinions.
I think that one thing is for certain- in Keogh, Eastwood, Bothroyd and Ebanks-Blake, we have four quality strikers when utilised correctly. West Brom aside, I cant think of another team whose forwards I would prefer.
McCarthy has to some extent brought this on himself by his treatment of Eastwood, by his comments to the press and by not using him more efficiently when we were playing poorly over the past few months.
As i've said before, the only reason I can think of is that there is a clash of ego's. The good managers-the Fergusons, Redknapps and Wengers etc can work around this. Mick cant--see Eastwood, Arca and Keane as just three examples over his managerial career.
I hope that for the sake of the team, and for Mick, he keeps Eastwood where he is.
Kenny-11
26-03-2008, 22:19
As i've said before, the only reason I can think of is that there is a clash of ego's. The good managers-the Fergusons, Redknapps and Wengers etc can work around this. .
Yes they deal with it by selling the players in question that clash with them
Disagree Kenny,
Redknapp has made a career out of getting the best out of 'difficult' players- DiCanio for example. Wenger and Ferguson the same-Anelka, Ronaldo, Cantona, Keane...
Bumbamuffin
26-03-2008, 22:24
Yes they deal with it by selling the players in question that clash with them
Only after they've had the best use out of them first.
Ince,Hughes,Petit,Viera,Henry etc etc would not have been sold if their best years were still ahead of them.
Dewsburywolf
26-03-2008, 22:36
Its on S4C. No 134 on Sky. Freddie just scored his and Wales' second. Arrived in the box to knock in a cross.
And he only beat two men for the first. Still a nice finish though. He has done his non-celebration for both. Only one more for the hat trick Dewsbury!
Freddy & Keogh upfront Saturday then. International Goal scorers. :rolleyes:
ProudWolf
26-03-2008, 22:39
Really pleased Eastwood scored a brace tonight and is match fit and is ready to step in when needed. He'll probably be sub on saturday and that's probably the right decision but its good to know he is fit and confident when coming on to influence a game.
Space Wolf
26-03-2008, 22:42
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
Quick, delete your post. No one will notice.;)
Evolution Wolf
26-03-2008, 22:51
Very pleased for Freddy hopefully it will start him off agen with Wolves
Devil's Slide Wolf
26-03-2008, 22:55
Makes no difference god has spoke!;)
What utter hypocrites you and your dwindling band of $$$$ fans are...on the one hand you point a judgemental finger at those who critique MM and his $$$$ty team selection, cast negative aspersions at anyone who dares point out Keogh's comically poor returns casting yourself as the superfan defending the team but at the same time take every opportunity to put down Freddy and belittle his achievements. There was a time when Wolves fans were proud as punch when on of ours scored at International level.
You, lady, are a XXXX :mad:
John Toshack (not a bad player in his time!) on Freddie:
""Freddy has got that sort of ability to get a goal out of nothing," he said.
"The one in the first half he was going nowhere really and he just popped up with a goal of his own making and you cant have too many players like that."
glasgowwolf
26-03-2008, 23:04
I don't give a $$$$ about Wales cos Freddie is playing
I don't give a $$$$ about Eire when Keogh plays
I didn't give a $$$$ about Scotland when Miller played, ( I still don't)
I only care about Wolves and England.
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
You tell the 76 year old twerp
You think Im 76? That's my date of birth you Twerp!
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
at last. some common sense is spoken on this whole thing.
What utter hypocrites you and your dwindling band of $$$$ fans are...on the one hand you point a judgemental finger at those who critique MM and his $$$$ty team selection, cast negative aspersions at anyone who dares point out Keogh's comically poor returns casting yourself as the superfan defending the team but at the same time take every opportunity to put down Freddy and belittle his achievements. There was a time when Wolves fans were proud as punch when on of ours scored at International level.
You, lady, are a XXXX :mad:
I judge manager and players on merit. Nothing else kind Sir. What do you judge Eastwood on?
Devil's Slide Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:17
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
and therein lies the hypocrisy, the man went a got a brace for Wales, you are clearly not judging him on his merit but your preconceived notions of the player are set in stone. The 'morons with no brains' is a smokescreen for hating ofn Freddy as evidenced by your hilarious inability to not acknowledge that scoring a brace at international level is worthy of merit. I repeat, you are a XXXX
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:18
I don't give a $$$$ about Wales cos Freddie is playing
I don't give a $$$$ about Eire when Keogh plays
I didn't give a $$$$ about Scotland when Miller played, ( I still don't)
I only care about Wolves and England.
Ha Ha - Even with an Italian in charge they're still cack. There again the may have been wonderful on the wireless....
glasgowwolf
26-03-2008, 23:22
Stewarton why don't you go and watch the Republic with the rest of the sweaties.
and therein lies the hypocrisy, the man went a got a brace for Wales, you are clearly not judging him on his merit but your preconceived notions of the player are set in stone. The 'morons with no brains' is a smokescreen for hating ofn Freddy as evidenced by your hilarious inability to not acknowledge that scoring a brace at international level is worthy of merit. I repeat, you are a XXXX
If I hated Eastwood I'd say so. I don't hate him, I just think he's crap. Simple as that. He hasn't done anything for Wolves.
If and when he does something for Wolves I don't mind saying I've been wrong. I don't pretend to be a expert on football. I judge players on their performances.
How have you judged Eastwood since he came to Wolves? Or are you going to blame MM for ruining his chances?
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:25
Stewarton why don't you go and watch the Republic with the rest of the sweaties.
Scotland me and it kills you because you can't stereotype me. England I'd back the Luftwaffe against them:D.
1966 Blah Blah - You'll never win anything else....
glasgowwolf
26-03-2008, 23:27
Your typical Sweatie / Celtic fan.
Log sized chip on your shoulder about your superior neighbours.
Me i'd support the Argies against you lot
May be we won't win anything else at least we will qualify.
Scotland won't even be in Europe if there was another War.
Salmond is disbanding yor Army, and pulling out of Nato
Evolution Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:28
I don't give a $$$$ about Wales cos Freddie is playing
I don't give a $$$$ about Eire when Keogh plays
I didn't give a $$$$ about Scotland when Miller played, ( I still don't)
I only care about Wolves and England.
then dont come on this thread you plank
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:29
Your typical Sweatie / Celtic fan.
Log sized chip on your shoulder about your superior neighbours.
Me i'd support the Argies against you lot
May be we won't win anything else at least we will qualify.
Scotland won't even be in Europe if there was another War.
Salmond is disbanding yor Army, and pulling out of Nato
Anger problems? been drinking? headphones rubbing your ears?
headphones rubbing your ears?
:D
Paul
Eastwood is a quality player who hasn't been given a chance this season to show what he can do. He is comfortable with the ball at his feet and in the last two games has shown in vital moments of a game what he can do. That pass to blake in the scunthorpe game (to borrow hoddle's expression)was sublime and he changed the game against QPR. Why have some of you got a rotten attitude towards eastwood. What is your problem with him and why do you dislike him so much?Another poster conflates his stats to give a misleading impression. To lose eastwood right now would be disastrous. What are we going to do , put kevin kyle on to change the game. It'll just be hoofball like in the watford game. I don't want to see that kind of football.
He's been given plenty of chances. I'm going to nick one of Del Wops post to prove this.
Courtesy of DelWop.
Morecambe 120 min
Stoke 85 min
Germany (for Wales) 90 min
Sheffield U 2 min
Hull 90 min
Leicester 24 min
Coventry 45 min
Cyprus (for Wales) 58 min
Cardiff 40 min
Ipswich 45 min
Bristol C 6 min
Southampton 90 min
Barnsley 90 min
Ireland (for Wales) 59 min
WBA 29 min
Colchester 90 min
Preston 85 min
Barnsley 24 min
Burnley 30 min
Leicester 45 min
Hull 67 min
Sheffield U 13 min
Cambridge 45 min
Crystal P 38 min
Norway (for Wales) 59 min
Stoke 9 min
Blackpool 2 min
Cardiff 50 min
Southampton 11 min
Burnley 4 min
Scunthorpe 23 min
QPR 31 min
Plus 3 reserve games 270 min
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-03-2008, 23:36
I judge manager and players on merit. Nothing else kind Sir. What do you judge Eastwood on?
You dont. You are as biased as hell against Eastwood so at least have the honesty to admit it. You have made so many posts deriding him at every opportunity you can and then hide behind 'its not me its the moron fans.
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:39
I blame the fans - particularly those from Chapel Ash who can't be arsed to walk across West Park...
PeteWolf
26-03-2008, 23:40
I'm looking everywhere, but can't seem to find an interview with John Toshack slagging Freddy off after tonights performance.
Does he know nothing about man management?
You dont. You are as biased as hell against Eastwood so at least have the honesty to admit it. You have made so many posts deriding him at every opportunity you can and then hide behind 'its not me its the moron fans.
Well It's nothing new to see people being biased on MM Is it? The place is full of pessimistic depressed morons who only spout daily hatred towards Potter, S.Ward, Collins, Elliot and MM.
Just because I don't like Eastwood, what Is the big deal?
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:43
I'm looking everywhere, but can't seem to find an interview with John Toshack slagging Freddy off after tonights performance.
Does he know nothing about man management?
:D:D:D
McCarthy will put it straight tomorrow
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-03-2008, 23:44
I'm looking everywhere, but can't seem to find an interview with John Toshack slagging Freddy off after tonights performance.
Does he know nothing about man management?
Be careful young Peter or you will have Robbie Savage coming on here talking about his love affair with Tosh.:eek:;)
I blame the fans - particularly those from Chapel Ash who can't be arsed to walk across West Park...
You really are pathetic you know? I've never come across somebody as bitter as you! You are as twisted as shrapnel.
See you next year at the Molineux. Oh I forgot You're not renewing. :D
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-03-2008, 23:52
Well It's nothing new to see people being biased on MM Is it? The place is full of pessimistic depressed morons who only spout daily hatred towards Potter, S.Ward, Collins, Elliot and MM.
Just because I don't like Eastwood, what Is the big deal?
Finally after denying it in so many posts you admit the truth. I feel sorry for you having to be in a place full of pessimistic depressed morons when only you can see the real truth.
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:52
You really are pathetic you know? I've never come across somebody as bitter as you! You are as twisted as shrapnel.
See you next year at the Molineux. Oh I forgot You're not renewing. :D
I haven't seen you this season, I have made a point of saving you a seat.
Finally after denying it in so many posts you admit the truth. I feel sorry for you having to be in a place full of pessimistic depressed morons when only you can see the real truth.
Now you're twisting my words. Personally I have nothing against Mr Eastwood. I don't know the chap.
As a footballer I think Mr Eastwood is very average. I think he's a bottom half championship player.
Did you know Luxembourg had just two professionals in their ranks tonight?
Did you know Luxembourg had just two professionals in their ranks tonight?
How many did Andorra have when England laboured against them?
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-03-2008, 23:57
I haven't seen you this season, I have made a point of saving you a seat.
And he didn't show up. What a waste of time then you spent wiring it up.:eek:
Stewarton Wolf
26-03-2008, 23:59
And he didn't show up. What a waste of time then you spent wiring it up.:eek:
:D:D
How many did Andorra have when England laboured against them?
I don't know and I don't care. Eastwood has scored two goals tonight. I don't have a problem with that. I only have a problem with his god like status.
There will be a thread tomorrow stating that Eastwood must start against Charlton. Eastwood and Seb up front with Keogh on the right.
If Mick doesn't start Eastwood then he should be sacked.
It's this kind of drivel that narks me. Players who do far more get no acclaim while somebody who has done nothing gets worshiped.
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-03-2008, 00:01
Just because I don't like Eastwood, what Is the big deal?
Now you're twisting my words. Personally I have nothing against Mr Eastwood. I don't know the chap.
So exactly how am I twisting your words. They are your words. I have only quoted them back at you.
Evolution Wolf
27-03-2008, 00:01
I'm looking everywhere, but can't seem to find an interview with John Toshack slagging Freddy off after tonights performance.
Does he know nothing about man management?
lol
he'll never be one of the greats acting like that
Devonwolf
27-03-2008, 00:02
Can't be arsed to read all the bickering I'm just pleased Freddy scored a couple of goals
And he didn't show up. What a waste of time then you spent wiring it up.:eek:
I see the Sheep are out In force tonight. All together now....Baa, Baa ba baaa:eek:
So exactly how am I twisting your words. They are your words. I have only quoted them back at you.
Look OldGold It's quite simple.
As a person I have nothing against him personally. I don't know him so how can I hate him?
As a footballer I think he's crap!
Now do you understand?
Look OldGold It's quite simple.
As a person I have nothing against him personally. I don't know him so how can I hate him?
As a footballer I think he's crap!
Now do you understand?
So it's ok for you to think Wolves players are crap, but other people who do are to be derided?
Why can you think Freddy is a crap player, but not allow Stewarton to think McCarthy is a crap manager.
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-03-2008, 00:17
Look OldGold It's quite simple.
As a person I have nothing against him personally. I don't know him so how can I hate him?
As a footballer I think he's crap!
Now do you understand?Oh I think I understand where you are coming from. I have heard commentators both from the Wolves camp and neutral say positive things about his play. His record at Southend and Wales is more than respectable. But you say he is crap. I think I will listen to those who know more about the game than you and I.
So it's ok for you to think Wolves players are crap, but other people who do are to be derided?
Why can you think Freddy is a crap player, but not allow Stewarton to think McCarthy is a crap manager.
Because they've taken their dislike of Mick to new levels. They'll never give him a second chance. They hate his guts and that's that.
In one of my earlier posts I did say If Eastwood begins to score goals and play well then I'll be the first one to put my hands up and say look I got It wrong. I don't mind being proved wrong. I give everybody a chance.
Like I said I judge players and manager on performance. I don't bring personal hate Into football.
Oh I think I understand where you are coming from. I have heard commentators both from the Wolves camp and neutral say positive things about his play. His record at Southend and Wales is more than respectable. But you say he is crap. I think I will listen to those who know more about the game than you and I.
That's fine as you will see In many of my posts I admit to knowing nothing about football. It's just my personal opinion.
I don't bring personal hate Into football.
Then get off Freddys back. He's in great form and is a Wolves player who we will need if we are going to get into the play-offs.
We would have lost against QPR if it wasn't for Freddy, and he will have other contributions to make before the season is out.
Then get off Freddys back. He's in great form and is a Wolves player who we will need if we are going to get into the play-offs.
We would have lost against QPR if it wasn't for Freddy, and he will have other contributions to make before the season is out.
I know that John. But If you're asking me to get of Freds back can you please tell everybody else to get of potter's, Collins, Elliot, Keogh, Henry's and Mick's back?
Eastwood has many fans. His confidence should be good. It's some of our other players who need to be laid off.
London Wolves
27-03-2008, 00:29
Well done Freddy!
Lets hope it helps boosts his confidence for our play off push.
Also pushes his value up if he's sold.
I know that John. But If you're asking me to get of Freds back can you please tell everybody else to get of potter's, Collins, Elliot, Keogh, Henry's and Mick's back?
Do I need to?
Is this board not full of people who defend Mick and every other Wolves player bar Freddy Eastwood?
It would appear that on this message board if you support Mick as Wolves manager, you MUST run Freddy down.
Do I need to?
Is this board not full of people who defend Mick and every other Wolves player bar Freddy Eastwood?
It would appear that on this message board if you support Mick as Wolves manager, you MUST run Freddy down.
My criticisms of Eastwood are justified In my opinion. In the past he's done nothing. But I don't live In the past like many people on this board.
He's had two good sub appearances for Wolves and now he's scored two goals for Wales.
That's a good sign. If he carries on and does well then great. It will only benefit Wolves In the long run.
Shame people can't change their stance in respect to Mick. People are saying he should still be sacked If he gets us promoted. Ridiculous.
My criticisms of Eastwood are justified In my opinion.
As surely are Stewartons criticisms of Mick in his opinion.
Or is yours the only opinion that counts?
As surely are Stewartons criticisms of Mick in his opinion.
Or is yours the only opinion that counts?
They don't change their opinions. We could win 20 games In a row and they'd still say he's thick and not up for the job.
If Eastwood scores 20 goals then I'll come out and say well done Fred. I'm big enough to change my opinion. I don't pretend to be right and correct.
We're all wrong sometimes. It's just who's big enough to admit to being wrong.
They don't change their opinions. We could win 20 games In a row and they'd still say he's thick and not up for the job.
Until we have, how do you know they won't?
Kazzzzz has already admitted Mick is doing well at the moment.
Until we have, how do you know they won't?
Kazzzzz has already admitted Mick is doing well at the moment.
It's quite obvious that a minority won't stop until Mick has been sacked. I'm not naming names as I can't be bothered with further mud slinging.
I saw Kazz post and I admire him for changing his stance.
That's how It should be. Wolves, the players and the manager should be judged on their overall performances.
Wolves have been very poor at times this season but we're doing well at the moment. We're In good form and scoring goals.
But this still Isn't enough for some people. They keep bring up the same old crap they've been spouting for months. People have admitted hating Mick personally.
I can understand them criticising him for mismanagement but theirs no need for the personal insults.
But this still Isn't enough for some people. They keep bring up the same old crap they've been spouting for months.
The same criteria could be applied to many people view of Mr Eastwood.
He is currently in good form, yet many people keep bringing up the same crap they've been sprouting for months.
Gratters
27-03-2008, 02:04
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
Do you actually know how to read stats ?? If you did you would realise you haven't got a $$$$ing clue what you are talking about over the season - however feel free to selectively use time spans to suit you.
If you seriously don't rate Eastwood but rate Keogh you have no right to give an opinion at all as you are an idiot !
GoldenHorseshoe
27-03-2008, 02:29
Sorry Paul, i knew you weren't 76 years old, I was getting mixed up with your IQ
It's quite obvious that a minority won't stop until Mick has been sacked. I'm not naming names as I can't be bothered with further mud slinging.
I saw Kazz post and I admire him for changing his stance.
That's how It should be. Wolves, the players and the manager should be judged on their overall performances.
Wolves have been very poor at times this season but we're doing well at the moment. We're In good form and scoring goals.
But this still Isn't enough for some people. They keep bring up the same old crap they've been spouting for months. People have admitted hating Mick personally.
I can understand them criticising him for mismanagement but theirs no need for the personal insults.
Wasnt it you that said Eastwood was a 'disruptive influence' on the Wolves team, even though there is no evidence of this. Therefore you are making accusations about him that are not even football related.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44517000/jpg/_44517224_ab3.jpg
Taffywolf
27-03-2008, 08:50
Freddy had a good game last night and took his goals well. He had 2 chances and scored 2 goals. His touch is good, His link up play is also good. He also tracked back a few times to the edge of the Wales box to help out..
If keogh is better than Freddy then I'm a nun. Keogh has had far far more chances under Mick than FE has. I just can't work out in my mind why MM spent a total of 3 million on FE and Elliot and not play them. That would of sorted out our central defensive problems..
Freddy had a good game last night and took his goals well. He had 2 chances and scored 2 goals. His touch is good, His link up play is also good. He also tracked back a few times to the edge of the Wales box to help out..
If keogh is better than Freddy then I'm a nun. Keogh has had far far more chances under Mick than FE has. I just can't work out in my mind why MM spent a total of 3 million on FE and Elliot and not play them. That would of sorted out our central defensive problems..
Taffywolf are you biased in any way? Paddywolf prefers Keogh!
If you seriously don't rate Eastwood but rate Keogh you have no right to give an opinion at all as you are an idiot !
They are both good players, just that Eastwood is only now starting to show the right attitude, fact is Keogh will start on Saturday!!!
Visage Wolf
27-03-2008, 09:48
Im gonna start giving seminars on man management....
Dougan was king
27-03-2008, 10:14
If this does happen it will show yet again what a flamin idiot the manager is
although it would not suprise me,he did play Stephen ward for 21 games 1 assist no goals, he waxes lyrical about Elliot and Ward yet they bring nothing to the team.
Why do we have to play Freddie off against Keogh and Freddie off against MM. Can't we just be happy that finally we are starting to play a bit of football and we have strikers in form.
It seems some want Freddie to fail so they can stick two fingers up to those who call for his inclusion. On the other hand those who want his inclusion are developing this same attitude towards Keogh. We are all supposed to be following the same team here.
ROVERT47
27-03-2008, 10:20
Before everyone gets too carried away.
Luxembourg are 152nd in the FIFA world rankings,just below Niger and just above Swaziland.
If this does happen.
If what happens? MM picks Keogh, he scored 2 goals last week, scored on Tuesday, scored 7 in 11, at the moment he's undroppable, if Mick did drop him he'd be an idiot surely?
Visage Wolf
27-03-2008, 10:30
Why do we have to play Freddie off against Keogh and Freddie off against MM. Can't we just be happy that finally we are starting to play a bit of football and we have strikers in form.
It seems some want Freddie to fail so they can stick two fingers up to those who call for his inclusion. On the other hand those who want his inclusion are developing this same attitude towards Keogh. We are all supposed to be following the same team here.
Its always been the way. One side takes one pov, the other takes another. Debate ensues, and gets more and more ehated. The more heated the debate gets, the more people get backed into a corner, feeling unable to even concede the possibility that the other side have a point.
Sadly its reflective of the fact that a significant proportion of Wolves fans are stupid $$$$$.
goldeneyed
27-03-2008, 10:32
I'm delighted for Freddie that he has been actually given 90 minutes and shown what a good striker he is. His mishandling by MM is quite unbelievable and although I like many aspects of Keogh's game he is NOT a natural goalscorer whereas Freddie is.
Keogh is probably going to be first choice for the rest of the season so be it on MM's head. If we get into the play offs he can say I did it my way and I've achieved something. If not then he deserves everything that is coming his way with the Eastwood situation being only one of a long list of failures/incompetencies which he has been responsible for.
The next two matches will probably decide his/our fate one way or another. It would be great if Freddie came off the bench and scored a couple but I doubt he will be given much chance unless Kightly comes back as supplier in the last two or three games.
Virginia Wolf
27-03-2008, 10:37
For what it's worth - terrible footage of Luxembourg v Wales match. You can't even see the first goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85vZnPBBxrg
goldeneyed
27-03-2008, 10:39
If what happens? MM picks Keogh, he scored 2 goals last week, scored on Tuesday, scored 7 in 11, at the moment he's undroppable, if Mick did drop him he'd be an idiot surely?
Keogh has got a few goals which is great but his overall play has been pretty poor. If we win the next couple and he is on the score sheet then well done Mick/Andy but it is the appalling handling of the striker situation up to January which is impossible to erase from one's mind and that along with a few other things will cost us promotion AGAIN imv.
Do you actually know how to read stats ?? If you did you would realise you haven't got a $$$$ing clue what you are talking about over the season - however feel free to selectively use time spans to suit you.
If you seriously don't rate Eastwood but rate Keogh you have no right to give an opinion at all as you are an idiot !
That's a well reasoned response Mr Special one.
Why don't you tell me why you rate Eastwood? I rate Keogh because he works hard, scores goals and gives %100 to the Wolves cause. I shall ask again Einstein, Why do you rate Eastwood?
What's he done?
Sorry Paul, i knew you weren't 76 years old, I was getting mixed up with your IQ
Oh and here's me just thinking you were dumb.
Wasnt it you that said Eastwood was a 'disruptive influence' on the Wolves team, even though there is no evidence of this. Therefore you are making accusations about him that are not even football related.
I said if the situation was allowed to carry on then It could be become a disruptive influence.
You're the one making the accusations without checking up on my previous posts.
at last. some common sense is spoken on this whole thing.
Most would disagree.
The same criteria could be applied to many people view of Mr Eastwood.
He is currently in good form, yet many people keep bringing up the same crap they've been sprouting for months.
Look John he's had two decent subs appearances and he's scored two goals against a country which Is smaller than the midlands.
He's showing a few good signs. He's got to do more than just play well for a couple of games. I'm not going to change my opinion until he his performances merit the acclaim.
I think he's an average player and if that upsets his fans I couldn't give a crap.
Plenty of people use stats to beat Mick McCarthy with. Stats are O.k to use when judging MM and Wolves. I use to stats to prove Eastwood has had his chances and hasn't taken them.
Why do the facts anger you so much?
Big Mack
27-03-2008, 12:22
Eastwood happy to be playing...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_of_wales/7315751.stm
Keogh has got a few goals which is great but his overall play has been pretty poor. If we win the next couple and he is on the score sheet then well done Mick/Andy but it is the appalling handling of the striker situation up to January which is impossible to erase from one's mind and that along with a few other things will cost us promotion AGAIN imv.
One of the things will be Eastwoods apalling attitude and form from September until March.
I bet no one is more upset than McCarthy about how his £1.5m investment has largely flopped, yes some of this is McCarthy's fault but Eastwood must shoulder some of the blame.
However I feel that Eastwood has turned the corner and if he continues to push like he is at the moment he could just get a start, he's not there just yet but he can't be far away. Unfortunately for him the two up top are in good form at the mo', a great situation for us. It means they can't let their standards slip!
No. 7 George Bowen
27-03-2008, 14:10
One of the things will be Eastwoods apalling attitude and form from September until March.
I bet no one is more upset than McCarthy about how his £1.5m investment has largely flopped, yes some of this is McCarthy's fault but Eastwood must shoulder some of the blame.
However I feel that Eastwood has turned the corner and if he continues to push like he is at the moment he could just get a start, he's not there just yet but he can't be far away. Unfortunately for him the two up top are in good form at the mo', a great situation for us. It means they can't let their standards slip!
Hey a sensible post.
Relieved for the lad. 1800 minutes of football and to have not scored a goal is appalling and there was no better oppostion to have a chance to end a dry spell against than the international pub team of Luxembourg.
Keogh is in the team for his fantastic all round play and has now added to that with a glut of goals and SEB is also undroppable with his impression of a more prolific Nathan Blake with his ability to hold the ball up. Hopefully he can look to add a goal or two when he comes on or when he earns his right to start a game in a two or three up front.
We know Keogh Eastwood worked. With runners from midfield with Kightly, Olofinjana/Edwards and Jarvis I think a potentially bit static otherwise SEB-Eastwood could also work.
The Bear
27-03-2008, 14:20
Unfortunately I can't see McCarthy handing Eastwood a start unless he comes on as a sub and scores for us, or one of Blake and Keogh gets injured.
Personally I think that's the right decision, though obviously a lot won't.
Reach For The Sky
27-03-2008, 15:02
I use to stats to prove Eastwood has had his chances and hasn't taken them.
I beg to differ, the stats you posted show that Eastwood has definitely not been given a fair crack of the whip compared to some other players. He has only been on the pitch a relatively short length of time in the majority of games which he's made an appearance, your stats show that. There have been several games where he has been given a ridiculously short amount of time to make an impact, again backed up by your stats.
No player should have the right to start every game and stay on for most of the game regardless of form, that rule should also have been applied to Breen, Ward, Collins et al in the past though.
Reach For The Sky
27-03-2008, 15:10
Keogh is in the team for his fantastic all round play and has now added to that with a glut of goals.
:o
He's scored 7 league goals! That's on a par with Bothroyd last season and many people want him thrown out of Wolves for good. It's no wonder Wolves are scraping to get into the play-offs, when it's acceptable for the top scoring striker to barely break double figures in the league.
It's also no wonder SEB is a hero, he's already got to 7 league goals for Wolves in less than half a season.
Wolv3nsam
27-03-2008, 15:16
I think we should give credit where it's due and applaud Freddy for his dramatic change in attitude to please the manager and try and be a success here - I have no doubt that his two goals last night (whether against France or Luxembourg (for gods sake a goal is a goal) has caught Mick's eye and may give him a selection headache ahead of the Charlton match.
I know he's gone whining to the local rag more often than not and has had a few days where he hasn't looked bothered, but he's made two good substitute appearances on the bounce now and has scored two goals for his country which shows a good change in attitude and that he WANTS to compete (most players would have been waiting for the summer transfer window to come by now and would have given up months ago in Eastwood's position) - if that's not enough to catch Mick's eye and make him think twice then I don't know what is.
I think we should give credit where it's due and applaud Freddy for his dramatic change in attitude to please the manager and try and be a success here - I have no doubt that his two goals last night (whether against France or Luxembourg (for gods sake a goal is a goal) has caught Mick's eye and may give him a selection headache ahead of the Charlton match.
I know he's gone whining to the local rag more often than not and has had a few days where he hasn't looked bothered, but he's made two good substitute appearances on the bounce now and has scored two goals for his country which shows a good change in attitude and that he WANTS to compete (most players would have been waiting for the summer transfer window to come by now and would have given up months ago in Eastwood's position) - if that's not enough to catch Mick's eye and make him think twice then I don't know what is.
Most players wouldn't have gone in a strop in September, but ther past is the past, it's up to Eastwood now.
However there is no selection headache, SEB and Keogh currently pick themselves on current form.
:o
He's scored 7 league goals! That's on a par with Bothroyd last season and many people want him thrown out of Wolves for good. It's no wonder Wolves are scraping to get into the play-offs, when it's acceptable for the top scoring striker to barely break double figures in the league.
It's also no wonder SEB is a hero, he's already got to 7 league goals for Wolves in less than half a season.
Keogh was injured at the start of the season and hasn't reached the heights of last year yet, but he has scored 8 goals in the last 12 games (including Wednesday), so as we type now he is in form!!! Is this so difficult to understand?
Also how do you think SEB has scored these goals?
Dewsburywolf
27-03-2008, 18:49
Keogh was injured at the start of the season and hasn't reached the heights of last year yet, but he has scored 8 goals in the last 12 games (including Wednesday), so as we type now he is in form!!! Is this so difficult to understand?
Also how do you think SEB has scored these goals?
With his feet????????? :rolleyes: (sorry)
Cool. Another chance for him to fail miserably to score.
Sadly its reflective of the fact that a significant proportion of Wolves fans are stupid $$$$$.
A significant proportion that includes you.
GoldenHorseshoe
27-03-2008, 22:04
QB Wolf is putting the 'Big Lie' theory to the test. Keep repeating something over and over and eventually everybody accepts it as the truth
Gratters
27-03-2008, 23:45
Keogh was injured at the start of the season and hasn't reached the heights of last year yet, but he has scored 8 goals in the last 12 games (including Wednesday), so as we type now he is in form!!! Is this so difficult to understand?
Also how do you think SEB has scored these goals?
OK lets 'understand' this a little closer.
Again - in the last 12 games that you mention we have played dross except against Stoke (we were hammered 2-4 at home) and Watford (we lost 0-3) and maybe Cardiff oops we failed to score again (0-2). Bring in the quality and hes floundering. I appreciate he can only score against whos put in front of him but against quality defenders he just looks lost !
I still wake up in cold sweats at how bad he was last year in the home match to Albion where their defence will never get an easier days pay in their careers ! Opinion of players I guess is as always, it depends how high your ambitions are. The unambitious will like Keogh as he 'runs a lot' turning a blind eye to the complete lack of quality.
Gratters
27-03-2008, 23:57
That's a well reasoned response Mr Special one.
Why don't you tell me why you rate Eastwood? I rate Keogh because he works hard, scores goals and gives %100 to the Wolves cause. I shall ask again Einstein, Why do you rate Eastwood?
What's he done?
Because I have eyes ??
This 'working hard' thing just shows you up ! Lineker didn't do a days work in his life but was one of this countrys most prolific strikers - do you get it now ? Effort without results isn't worth a $$$$ ! Against quality defenders Keogh is clueless so please don't reply with this 7 in 12 crap. If it goes on marvellous but he will hit a wall the next time we play quality.
did you go and check the stats that you wanted to throw at us by the way ?
'Mr Special One' - I like that - Mods can I start a new user name and transfer my posts across ?
Because I have eyes ??
Just like Simon Davies it appears.
The Wales captain, Simon Davies, claims his match-winner Freddy Eastwood can make goals "out of nothing".
Wolv3nsam
28-03-2008, 00:32
Just like Simon Davies it appears.
The Wales captain, Simon Davies, claims his match-winner Freddy Eastwood can make goals "out of nothing".
Toshack too
Toshack said; "I was pleased with the result and pleased with Eastwood.
"We had a few players like him who were short of match fitness out there, we have had to do that with so many players missing.
"But despite that there were plenty of positives, and he was one of them.
"Some players don't take their opportunity when it is presented, but Freddy has done just that.
"There are still aspects of his game that can be improved, we want him to release the ball quicker when we are moving forward."
But Toshack added: "I have to say 'well done' to him. He has not had much action at Wolves, I doubt he has completed 90 minutes in months.
"But when he had the chance to pull on the Wales jersey, he gave everything and scored two well-taken goals.
PeteWolf
28-03-2008, 00:33
Most players wouldn't have gone in a strop in September
Most managers wouldn't go slagging off their top scorers in the local press, but that's man management. Mick style.
OK lets 'understand' this a little closer.
Again - in the last 12 games that you mention we have played dross except against Stoke (we were hammered 2-4 at home) and Watford (we lost 0-3) and maybe Cardiff oops we failed to score again (0-2). Bring in the quality and hes floundering. I appreciate he can only score against whos put in front of him but against quality defenders he just looks lost !
I still wake up in cold sweats at how bad he was last year in the home match to Albion where their defence will never get an easier days pay in their careers ! Opinion of players I guess is as always, it depends how high your ambitions are. The unambitious will like Keogh as he 'runs a lot' turning a blind eye to the complete lack of quality.
Keogh is a footballer with a high skill level who posesses quality, who is higly rated by professionals, who couples this with hard work that is the pre-requisite of any manager worth his salt. Any good footballer including Linekar, Best, Ronaldo (and I'm not comparing Keogh to them before you start) work hard, talent will only get you so far! You need both until recently Eastwood hasn't been prepared to work hard hence the situation!!
I can see both Eastwood and Keogh are good players, you can't, which IMV makes your opinion pretty invalid.
I suppose in every game that Eastwood has failed to score in we've been playing world beaters!!
EasternWolf
28-03-2008, 11:22
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
In Freddie's case Paul, it is not just about what he has or hasn't done for us. In any case he hasn't been given a fair crack at it - maybe partly his own doing. Also, it is not about Freddie or Keogh -its about having both of them. Its about having good players. Freddie is a special player. Potentially a great player. He still has to prove it here, but he has certain qualities that make him an attractive player. He is vulnerable, and yet he does not court popularity but even so is popular. He just wants to play. He wants to score goals. He wants to prove it to himself. Maybe his background makes him like he is - an enigma. Anyone who cannot see this has no soul.
EasternWolf
28-03-2008, 11:36
Before everyone gets too carried away.
Luxembourg are 152nd in the FIFA world rankings,just below Niger and just above Swaziland.
Didnt he score against Germany? Where are they in the rankings?
Wolv3nsam
28-03-2008, 11:39
Scored against Bulgaria as well, but I don't imagine they are too high up.. probably higher than Luxembourg though.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
28-03-2008, 13:56
I've nothing against Eastwood. It's the morons with no brains I hate. I see them everyday on here bigging up Eastwood up for no apparent reason. I shall make no excuses for not rating Eastwood. He's not scored since August and his record Is as bad as Frankowski.
I don't care what you think of me. I have stats on my side. Eastwood Is a flop and Keogh is twice the player.
Eastwood hasn't done anything to deserve his god like status. If and when he does I'll judge him on his merits for Wolves and not just his name and reputation.
Difference between Eastwood and Frankowski though Paul is that EASTWOOD IS NEVER GIVEN A $$$$ING GAME. 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there.
To call him a flop based on the opportunities that he has been given is laughable.
Because I have eyes ??
This 'working hard' thing just shows you up ! Lineker didn't do a days work in his life but was one of this countrys most prolific strikers - do you get it now ? Effort without results isn't worth a $$$$ ! Against quality defenders Keogh is clueless so please don't reply with this 7 in 12 crap. If it goes on marvellous but he will hit a wall the next time we play quality.
did you go and check the stats that you wanted to throw at us by the way ?
'Mr Special One' - I like that - Mods can I start a new user name and transfer my posts across ?
I'm just going to let the players do the talking from now on. You know where I stand In respect to Eastwood. In my books he still has everything to prove. Maybe he will get the opportunity to prove himself in the last 7 games, maybe he won't. To be honest I don't care! I'm just going to concentrate on enjoying the finale to the season.
Wolves are bigger than one player.
Difference between Eastwood and Frankowski though Paul is that EASTWOOD IS NEVER GIVEN A $$$$ING GAME. 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there.
To call him a flop based on the opportunities that he has been given is laughable.
He's had plenty of opportunities. Not as much as the other strikers but the time he's had on the field should merit more goals In my opinion. Everybody looking In from the outside would come to the conclusion he's been a flop.
Sometimes transfers just don't work out for one reason or another. I don't think Eastwood should have been bought In the first place. He doesn't look like a Mick signing.
goldeneyed
28-03-2008, 14:29
This whole fuss about Eastwood is due to MM's stubborness and favouritism. The fact is that Eastwood is a good striker and however you manipulate the stats that is obvious to anyone who has seen him play (I saw him at Southend). He does'nt run around like a headless chicken like Keogh it is true but he is by far the more potent striker given a decent service.
I'm delighted that Keogh has at last got a few goals and it may be a close thing between him and Freddie at the moment. That's fine. But what I cannot forget is everything that has gone before and the sheer waste of leaving a player like Freddie out in the cold for most of the season while MM's favourites floundered in a series of terrible team performances and stupid negative tactics (Henry and Ward on the wings?).
Eastwood is not the perfect player and perhaps should have put in more effort at times but he is still a far better player than Ward Elliott and Kyle and imv far more dangerous a striker than Keogh. MM has undermined him imv and the series of stop start appearances would damage any striker's confidence. MM bought him and now clearly wants to sell him having wasted a whole season in the process and missed the opportunity of making the most of a player who imv will succeed elsewhere at a time when MM will probably be getting the sack as we continue our miserable cycle of failure in this division.
Difference between Eastwood and Frankowski though Paul is that EASTWOOD IS NEVER GIVEN A $$$$ING GAME. 2 minutes here, 3 minutes there.
I thoght we'd laid this myth to rest!!
Reach For The Sky
28-03-2008, 19:11
I thought we'd laid this myth to rest!!
Paul76 posted some stats showing that Eastwood has been given less than 45 minutes in over half the games he's taken part in and in 3 games (over 10% of the games he's taken part in) he has been given a couple of minutes at the end.
Some people thought that because he had spent a large percentage of his time on the pitch during games where he started he'd been given a fair crack, but this turned out to be flawed thinking. He is bound to have spent a large percentage of his time on the pitch in those games, as he only spent a couple of minutes on the pitch in some others.
I doubt this explanation will help those who didn't get it first time.:(
Reach For The Sky
28-03-2008, 19:20
Keogh was injured at the start of the season and hasn't reached the heights of last year yet, but he has scored 8 goals in the last 12 games (including Wednesday), so as we type now he is in form!!! Is this so difficult to understand?
Also how do you think SEB has scored these goals?
Beattie has also been injured, it hasn't stopped him scoring more than double the number of league goals Keogh has. In fact, 2 strikers from teams who will be relegated have scored around double the number of league goals that Keogh has.:o
You obviously didn't see the highlighted part of my post with the embarassing cliché glut of goals used in connection with Keogh. He's a half decent support striker, but glut of goals?:o
No. 7 George Bowen
29-03-2008, 11:16
Beattie has also been injured, it hasn't stopped him scoring more than double the number of league goals Keogh has. In fact, 2 strikers from teams who will be relegated have scored around double the number of league goals that Keogh has.:o
You obviously didn't see the highlighted part of my post with the embarassing cliché glut of goals used in connection with Keogh. He's a half decent support striker, but glut of goals?:o
It is so boring explaining this over and over again.
Beattie is a lead the line out and out goalscorer so why would you compare him to Keogh? Only you would play Keogh instead of Beattie, those who know what they are talking about would play Keogh with Beattie.
7 goals in 10 games is a glut of goals. You need to be less easily embarrassed but your poor reasoning and slowness on the uptake isn't something to be proud of (please tell me you are in your 'Autumn' years).
Must grate you to see this.
http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/footballleagueawards/archive/2008/03/02/fourfourtwo-50-best-football-league-players.aspx
http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/ec/e2/0,,10794~123628,00.pdf
In arguing on Soccer Saturday about whether Wolves should go up last season of our players Cottee sighted Keogh and Kightly as the two he could definitely see making the step up.
No doubt you would have broken up the Beardsley-Cole partnership because Beardsley didn't score enough or Mutch from the Mutch-Bull partnership or Sheringham from Sheringham-Shearer. You obviously fundamentally do not understand the concept of striking partnerships so I really don't see the point in trying to reason with you further. If you don't understand it now you never will.
Oh yes the stats quite clearly show Eastwood has had plenty of chances and has managed a whopping 3 goals adding to his poor all round play and paltry 9 goals last season from open play.
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