breen and macarthy in training ground row

[dr cool]

i cant reveal my source so dont ask, but breen offered macarthy out today at the training ground he said " come on see you on the car park "...mm said dont be daft as he would kill him a scuffle broke out...the players stepped in , breen left 5 minutes later.....:mad:

somethings very very wrong.

dr:cool:

[AmericanWolf]

maybe it was breen who broke into his car and stole his mobile a couple months back

[Wednesbury Wolf]

i cant reveal my source so dont ask, but breen offered macarthy out today at the training ground he said " come on see you on the car park "...mm said dont be daft as he would kill him a scuffle broke out...the players stepped in , breen left 5 minutes later.....:mad:

somethings very very wrong.

dr:cool:

You're dead right something is very wrong - Our Manager.

[northnorfolkwolf]

Shame they didn't both put each other in hospital!!!!!!!

[kidder_wolf_II]

Posts on another wolves message board.

"but iv been told by somebody who wrks at wolves tht after the game last night tht mm and breen were having a proper slanging match and mm grabbed breen by the throat and breen just packed his bags and walked out.

talk about fighting for the cause mick!and i thought breen and mm were best mates??"

"Tony Butler (Radio WM) has just mentioned the very same thing about McCarthy having a big bust-up with Breen on the phone-in show. He reckons Breeny left the ground within minutes.

Apparently, Butler's had it good authority, too.

No smoke without fire?"

"Well, Butler's sticking to his story....in fact, he stated it for a second time a short while ago. http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/phorum-5.1.15/mods/smileys/images/11.gif

Tonight's show is on till 10pm if anyone's interested. There's been plenty of angry Wolves fans making their points already.

95.6FM if anyone wants to tune in....or, if you wanna text him a message, its: 07786202956"

Loos like there could be some truth in these rumours

[Bumbamuffin]

maybe it was breen who broke into his car and stole his mobile a couple months back

Or maybe Mick found out that Breen has been posting as Woburn Wolf on here.....

[Stewarton Wolf]

Breen is distancing himself from the clown

[KAZZZZ]

Shame they didn't both put each other in hospital!!!!!!!

lol

[UEAwolf]

Something has got to happen-sooner rather than later.

[northnorfolkwolf]

MM said he was fuming after the match. I expect he blamed Breen, as the man responsible for not organising the players for the corner .
Sounds like 'Breeny being Breeny" during the game but not afterwards!

[A wanderer from Bristol]

It makes me think about Breen's recent comments telling team mates to stop moaning about the fans booing the team, and how if he was a fan and paying his money he'd be booing.

This was at odds with MM's consistently moaning about fan's reactions to Elliot and Kyle and substitutions, and his moaning about nuggets on the internet.

Thinking about it now, this suggest that a split has been around for some time. If Breen thinks MM has lost it then the manager really is in trouble.

Maybe they could sack MM and make Breen caretaker manager till the end of the season, whilst Morgan scouts around for his own man? Couldn't be any worse than it is now.

[Ogerp]

An employee attacking another employee on company property is gross misconduct and a sackable offence in any company or associated company I've worked at.

Come on Mr Morgan here's your chance to get rid without paying compensation......that's if jez's set up the company disciplinary procedures correctly.

[Atlas 1951]

So offering your manager out for a fight is merely a shrewd career move on the part of Breen?

You may have something there....

[ice cream head]

i cant reveal my source so dont ask, but breen offered macarthy out today at the training ground he said " come on see you on the car park "...mm said dont be daft as he would kill him a scuffle broke out...the players stepped in , breen left 5 minutes later.....:mad:

somethings very very wrong.

dr:cool:

twit

[OCD Wolf]

Looks like another player's name for us to chant in his absence.
If MM keeps alienating players, we'll soon have a song for everyone!!

[UNCLE REMUS]

After the way the defence stood and watched Euell last night score that goal and after the way they got the corner, then I think I would offer them out one by one, even at my age.

I don't think it helps the club or the players when matter like this are posted on this board. We are in enough trouble

[UNCLE REMUS]

Looks like another player's name for us to chant in his absence.
If MM keeps alienating players, we'll soon have a song for everyone!!

Yeh! Breen has only got one foot, he's only got one foot.

[kidder_wolf_II]

An employee attacking another employee on company property is gross misconduct and a sackable offence in any company or associated company I've worked at.

Come on Mr Morgan here's your chance to get rid without paying compensation......that's if jez's set up the company disciplinary procedures correctly.

For some reason those rules dont apply to football.

Dennis Wise's sacking at Leicester proved that after he won a court case after being sacked for attacking a team mate.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

i cant reveal my source so dont ask, but breen offered macarthy out today at the training ground he said " come on see you on the car park "...mm said dont be daft as he would kill him a scuffle broke out...the players stepped in , breen left 5 minutes later.....:mad:

somethings very very wrong.

dr:cool:

Who would kill whom dr?:confused:

They both look hard cases to me, but my money's on the younger man if it goes beyond 2 rounds

[Ogerp]

For some reason those rules dont apply to football.

Dennis Wise's sacking at Leicester proved that after he won a court case after being sacked for attacking a team mate.

If they set up a correct company disciplinary procedure and handbook then if followed correctly they would. It just appears that Football Clubs are in some sort of time warp when it come to company law.

[Munich_Wolf]

I'd take Breen as caretaker manager at this stage. Regardless of his previous relationship with MM I think he commands respect from the players

[GoldenHorseshoe]

If they set up a correct company disciplinary procedure and handbook then if followed correctly they would. It just appears that Football Clubs are in some sort of time warp when it come to company law.

But Ogerp, it would appear that Breen was the agressor and Mick defused the situation. So if sacking is in order, it would be Breeny:rolleyes: no?

Hey if this is true Mick won't refer to GB as 'Breeny' any more, they say that every cloud has a silver lining

[Woburn Wolf]

Or maybe Mick found out that Breen has been posting as Woburn Wolf on here.....
Or worse still, Stewarton!

[Atlas 1951]

Apparently Breeny is tired of being treated as "just Breeny." He's a person with needs, dreams, desires..., but Mick just can't see that.

[dr cool]

twit

o dearie me....

[Stewarton Wolf]

Or worse still, Stewarton!

Breeny dreams of being me;)

[Stewarton Wolf]

o dearie me....
Ah the informed and incisive comments of ICH.

[ice cream head]

o dearie me....

your souce is everybody elses source you twerp. you heard it on wm or read it on another site.

i cant reveal my sources indeed.

bufoon

[dr cool]

your souce is everybody elses source you twerp. you heard it on wm or read it on another site.

i cant reveal my sources indeed.

bufoon


$$$$, i said mine was at the training ground day. !!!

p.s .. i dont listen to wm in manchester.

[ice cream head]

Ah the informed and incisive comments of ICH.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42415000/jpg/_42415803_warne_doff270.jpg

[honest john]

i cant reveal my source so dont ask, but breen offered macarthy out today at the training ground he said " come on see you on the car park "...mm said dont be daft as he would kill him a scuffle broke out...the players stepped in , breen left 5 minutes later.....:mad:

somethings very very wrong.

dr:cool:
what uve omitted to say is that the wolves pros have wednesday off-so that incident could not have happened today

[ice cream head]

$$$$, i said mine was at the training ground day. !!!


i know what you said...

[Stewarton Wolf]

i know what you said...

Yet another signature for you;)

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

i heard this at work today that there was a bust up in th tunnel after the game with big nose and breen , my info came from a steward who is situated nr the tunnel

[cooper_J]

Not at all bothered about a stupid little bust up which will blow over in a couple of days - if players and MM were happy with conceeding a goal in the fourth minute of stoppage time there would be something amiss.

Anyway, some mentioned Tony Butler and I would like at this point to take the opportunity to mention that the man is a complete and utter ballbag.

[BlahBlah]

Why shouldn't there be a bust up after scoring the winner after 88mins then letting in an unchallenged headed equaliser from a corner 3 minutes into injury time? That's bordering on criminal.
They were probably both $$$$ed off.....let them get on with it and sort it out.

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

Breen = one of McCarthys love children ;)

[ice cream head]

so to clarify... (and depending on who you believe) mccarthy (big nose) and breen (mr bean) have had a rook on the pitch at last nights game.... in the tunnel after the match.... in the dressing room (where mick grabbed breen around the throat)... and finally today at training breen offered mccarthy out but big mick said he would kill him..

i simply cannot wait until the next webmong / $$$$e radio phone in exclusive of what was probably just a heated row that will be forgotten about (within wolves anyway) by the end of the week, if it hasnt already.

dr cool....£50 says breen starts the next match (unless hes injured)

[Winelord]

Good to hear there's passion at the club, after last night's debacle.

[wesley]

you lost me at 'I can't reveal my sourcezzzzzzzzzzzz.....

[Winelord]

...like anyone would actually reveal their source.

[Toon Wolf]

...like anyone would actually reveal their source.

Even journalists, and we all know what sleazy scumbags they can be, don't reveal their sources. Why should dr cool?

[Stewarton Wolf]

so to clarify... (and depending on who you believe) mccarthy (big nose) and breen (mr bean) have had a rook on the pitch at last nights game.... in the tunnel after the match.... in the dressing room (where mick grabbed breen around the throat)... and finally today at training breen offered mccarthy out but big mick said he would kill him..

i simply cannot wait until the next webmong / $$$$e radio phone in exclusive of what was probably just a heated row that will be forgotten about (within wolves anyway) by the end of the week, if it hasnt already.

dr cool....£50 says breen starts the next match (unless hes injured)

Give it a break Dr:cool: has provided information from inside the club before, that has held up to scrutiny.

[Ogerp]

But Ogerp, it would appear that Breen was the agressor and Mick defused the situation. So if sacking is in order, it would be Breeny:rolleyes: no?

NO

I was refering to MM having his hands around Breens throat after the game (allegedly).

[Stewarton Wolf]

NO

I was refering to MM having his hands around Breens throat after the game (allegedly).
Sack them both

[Ogerp]

twit


Just go back to the halfords lane stand were you usually sit.

[crocos]

It's hard to see what some of you ladies are getting your knickers in such a twist about?

We're hunting a play-off spot and the manager loses his rag when we concede an idiot goal right at the death. Breen's there to organise and he didn't do his job, did he.

Whatever we may think of current styles of play, I for one am glad MM has shown his fury at such idiocy. This is professional football, not cake-baking at the WI.

[Stewarton Wolf]

It's hard to see what some of you ladies are getting your knickers in such a twist about?

We're hunting a play-off spot and the manager loses his rag when we concede an idiot goal right at the death. Breen's there to organise and he didn't do his job, did he.

Whatever we may think of current styles of play, I for one am glad MM has shown his fury at such idiocy. This is professional football, not cake-baking at the WI.
Great logic if we had played anything like a decent side and had been served up a season of exciting football. Southampton were garbage and we were worse. McCarthy is blaming everyone but himself, he has lost the plot (never had it) and needs to go now. Grabbing someone around the throat is not the actions of a sane or remotely good manager.

[ice cream head]

Give it a break Dr:cool: has provided information from inside the club before, that has held up to scrutiny.


when?

[Dr Wolfenstein]

Grabbing someone around the throat is not the actions of a sane or remotely good manager.

Insanity now added to incompetence. Hmmm, sack him ...or section him?

[dr cool]

so to clarify... (and depending on who you believe) mccarthy (big nose) and breen (mr bean) have had a rook on the pitch at last nights game.... in the tunnel after the match.... in the dressing room (where mick grabbed breen around the throat)... and finally today at training breen offered mccarthy out but big mick said he would kill him..

i simply cannot wait until the next webmong / $$$$e radio phone in exclusive of what was probably just a heated row that will be forgotten about (within wolves anyway) by the end of the week, if it hasnt already.

dr cool....£50 says breen starts the next match (unless hes injured)

whats that got to do with the price of fish ??

[dr cool]

potter lost his man...

[PeteWolf]

dr cool....£50 says breen starts the next match (unless hes injured)
I heard that Mick injured him so he couldn't play...

[Dr Wolfenstein]

Who would kill whom dr?:confused:

They both look hard cases to me, but my money's on the younger man if it goes beyond 2 rounds

The battle of the mad Irish central defenders. They'd start an argument in an empty stadium....

Who actually is the younger man, by the way?

And could McCarthy take on a team of Gary Breens?

[Dr Wolfenstein]

potter lost his man...

Deepest sympathies, but he should try not to let it affect his work.

[awsworth wolf]

And could McCarthy take on a team of Gary Breens?
:D

[W01ves]

Great logic if we had played anything like a decent side and had been served up a season of exciting football. Southampton were garbage and we were worse. McCarthy is blaming everyone but himself, he has lost the plot (never had it) and needs to go now. Grabbing someone around the throat is not the actions of a sane or remotely good manager.

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has played down the seriousness of David Beckham's eye injury.

The Old Trafford boss denied that the England captain needed stitches and insisted the cut above his eye was just a nick or graze. Beckham was hurt after an angry Ferguson kicked a boot in the dressing-room which hit Beckham in the face.

Different type of incident but bust ups always happen in the heat of the moment, you need to get over it. I'd rather have that fieriness in a manager than one that gives the silent treatment, at least it shows passion. I'm glad McCarthy was as angry as the rest of us with the shocking defending so late in the game.

[PeteWolf]

That was the incident that signalled the start of the end for Beckham at United, leading the club to miss his influence for the next few seasons before Ronaldo started to make a mark.

It's like this incident leading to a first choice pairing of Collins and Ward, and no one wants that.

[W01ves]

I'd be more than happy to wait if it meant getting a Ronaldo equivilent centre-half in!!!

[Japan Wulf]

It's a man's game for Christ's sake. Would you be happier to have a pair of pansies at the club?
Who gives a damn anyway....

[Wombourne Wolf]

It's a man's game for Christ's sake. Would you be happier to have a pair of pansies at the club?
Who gives a damn anyway....

Only the McCarthy out brigade......

[The Bear]

John Terry had a big training ground bust up with Chelsea's No.2 last week as well.

[Billy Quiet No Mates]

John Terry had a big training ground bust up with Chelsea's No.2 last week as well.

Hey maybe he could do a job for us if he is out of favour :D

[King Kenny]

Another player who won't be bullied. Another sign that the game has moved on and left mm behind. If we ever want to sign good quality players you have to be able to manage them and not just fight them if they disagree with you and your dated methods. Roy Keen goes up in my estimation by the day.

[Del Woppio]

It's the kind of thing that happens at training grounds up and down the country every single day. Only the blinkered brigade will use this as another weapon in their 'Mick Out' armoury. And as Mick doesn't read message boards, everything will be OK...

[Del Woppio]

Another player who won't be bullied. Another sign that the game has moved on and left mm behind. If we ever want to sign good quality players you have to be able to manage them and not just fight them if they disagree with you and your dated methods. Roy Keen goes up in my estimation by the day.

Kevin's dad?

[Redditch Wolves]

Right ok then lets look at it in another perspective shall we. Example:

I get called in to the office by my boss and he wants to know why I have under valued a land aquisition in which I get very defensive which provokes my boss in to grabbing me by the throat and threatning to kill me.

My boss would not only get the boot but would be up for assault so tell me how it's not any different with a football club?

This club is in a right mess, get rid of McCarthy as this is now one step too far.

[The Vicar]

World exlcusive, a bust up at a training ground, oooooo eeeeeeee.
Like they don't happen every week.

Grow up girls.

[The Vicar]

Roy Keen goes up in my estimation by the day.

Is that Kevin's elder brother:rolleyes:

[Redditch Wolves]

John Terry had a big training ground bust up with Chelsea's No.2 last week as well.

Hey maybe he could do a job for us if he is out of favour :D

It was a four letter rant, woooooooooooo hoooooooooo!!! Mick has attacked another player and has made threats to kill him by what the rumours have stated

[Uncle Festa]

I can't believe the people on here trying to compare a football training ground with another type of employment. Trust me, there are plenty of bust ups at training grounds including trainers/managers using physical force as part of their management technique. It may not happen at your place of work but it happens day in day out at football grounds. I coukld tell you stories of footballers who have been put on the treatment table for 6 months by managers during half time rants, and you only have to remember Beckham's cut eye after Ferguson lost his rag to highlight that this happens even at the biggest clubs. Do you really think someone like Ferguson rules Old Trafford by acting like a social worker.

[Redditch Wolves]

I can't believe the people on here trying to compare a football training ground with another type of employment. Trust me, there are plenty of bust ups at training grounds including trainers/managers using physical force as part of their management technique. It may not happen at your place of work but it happens day in day out at football grounds. I coukld tell you stories of footballers who have been put on the treatment table for 6 months by managers during half time rants, and you only have to remember Beckham's cut eye after Ferguson lost his rag to highlight that this happens even at the biggest clubs. Do you really think someone like Ferguson rules Old Trafford by acting like a social worker.

A football club is still a company and would still have the same disciplinary procedures as any other other company. So if Gary Breen were to put in a complaint for whatever happened then the club has to act and follow the disciplinary procedures

[Del Woppio]

Behave you fool.

[tatlor]

I can't believe the people on here trying to compare a football training ground with another type of employment. Trust me, there are plenty of bust ups at training grounds including trainers/managers using physical force as part of their management technique. It may not happen at your place of work but it happens day in day out at football grounds. I coukld tell you stories of footballers who have been put on the treatment table for 6 months by managers during half time rants, and you only have to remember Beckham's cut eye after Ferguson lost his rag to highlight that this happens even at the biggest clubs. Do you really think someone like Ferguson rules Old Trafford by acting like a social worker.

Could you spill the beans?

[Uncle Festa]

If Gary Breen was to put in a complaint he would be a laughing stock within the football World. You'll be telling me next that boxers can put in a charge for ABH against an opponent.

[Uncle Festa]

All I can tell you is that it involved a manager called Ferguson and a karate chop on an England International during a reserve game involving Millwall.

[Redditch Wolves]

If Gary Breen was to put in a complaint he would be a laughing stock within the football World. You'll be telling me next that boxers can put in a charge for ABH against an opponent.

Why would he? Hrmmmm numpty that is the worse example of sarcasm I have ever heard as that is what the world of boxing is all about. So your telling me that it's acceptable for death threats and physcial force to be used? Just because it's going on in a football club then it doesnt make it right.

[glasgowwolf]

Great logic if we had played anything like a decent side and had been served up a season of exciting football. Southampton were garbage and we were worse. McCarthy is blaming everyone but himself, he has lost the plot (never had it) and needs to go now. Grabbing someone around the throat is not the actions of a sane or remotely good manager.

Fergusson and Beckham........

These things happen every day at some club or other.

Passions were running high after thinking we had won a game, to throw it away in injury time.

I would be more annyed if they were not $$$$ed off

[Del Woppio]

Redditch, stop posting. You're making my eyes sick.

[Redditch Wolves]

Redditch, stop posting. You're making my eyes sick.

Go and sleep with Mick like the rest of the happy clappers, idiot!!

[Del Woppio]

Look, you can't compare professional football with the standard commercial environment. It's ludicrous.

[Premier Quality]

Why would he? Hrmmmm numpty that is the worse example of sarcasm I have ever heard as that is what the world of boxing is all about. So your telling me that it's acceptable for death threats and physcial force to be used? Just because it's going on in a football club then it doesnt make it right.

Do you have any proof of physical force being used redditch? Or is it just a couple of old blokes trying to look hard?

Breen - "come on then, outside"
McCarthy - "Don't be daft, I'd kill you"

Not that dramatic is it really? McCarthy probably just couldnt be bothered to hang around while Breen used all his pace to get outside the training ground.

[Redditch Wolves]

Look, you can't compare professional football with the standard commercial environment. It's ludicrous.

Why on earth not? I don't mind arguments going on as that happens everywhere but when another person assaults another person and makes a threat to kill another person then that is a different kettle of fish

[Redditch Wolves]

Do you have any proof of physical force being used redditch? Or is it just a couple of old blokes trying to look hard?

Breen - "come on then, outside"
McCarthy - "Don't be daft, I'd kill you"

Not that dramatic is it really? McCarthy probably just couldnt be bothered to hang around while Breen used all his pace to get outside the training ground.

I'm just going on what has being said and if true then McCarthy has to be sacked and of course if Gary Breen was to of used physical force then he should also be sacked. This is just another indication on how much this club is in a mess, we are worse off than we were under Hoddle!!

[Essex Wolf]

I don't really care what MM and Breen do to one another as long as both end up leaving the club soon.

[Premier Quality]

I'm just going on what has being said and if true then McCarthy has to be sacked and of course if Gary Breen was to of used physical force then he should also be sacked. This is just another indication on how much this club is in a mess, we are worse off than we were under Hoddle!!

But why red? Theres no proof of any physical force at all, just rumours they fell out. Don't get carried away by what might have happened, or what someone heard someone else say to their mum.

McCarthy might have chopped Breen in half and served him up in the canteen, but I doubt if he did. Chances are they fell out, breen apologised in the morning and will start the next game.

If it later comes out that something serious happened then fair enough, but going over the top now without actually knowing anything happened other than they had words and breen left is just a bit news of the world in my opinion.

[Big Mack]

I get called in to the office by my boss and he wants to know why I have under valued a land aquisition in which I get very defensive which provokes my boss in to grabbing me by the throat and threatning to kill me.

Pity Breen didn't 'get very defensive' when Southampton got the corner.

[Oldgoldwulf]

This thing about MM and Breen being best buddies has confused me for a while...

I appreciate that Mick signed him (yeah I know Breen arrived the day before Mick but i'm sure it wasn't a coincidence) and 'had him' at Sunderland as well as the Ireland connection BUT if you read Roy Keanes autobiography it states that after their big World Cup bust-up only two Irish players went to Keane's room to say "Well done for standing up to Mick"

One of them was Gary Breen.

Hardly paints him as Mick's Man does it?

[Del Woppio]

Why on earth not? I don't mind arguments going on as that happens everywhere but when another person assaults another person and makes a threat to kill another person then that is a different kettle of fish

Because, as the boo-boys point out, passion is prevelant in football. At any level, players/staff fall out because of dissapointing performances, and because they care so much things do boil over. I care about whether or not my candidates get jobs, not not enough to smack my Director. But football is different. I care more about it, and if it was my job, and somebody $$$$ed up, I'd $$$$$$$ them. I'd probably get my face kicked in, but that's another matter...

[Winelord]

Grabbing someone around the throat is not the actions of a sane or remotely good manager.

yeah, like Brian Clough.

[Premier Quality]

yeah, like Brian Clough.

Pah, what did he ever win? ;)

[Axle]

I'm just going on what has being said and if true then McCarthy has to be sacked and of course if Gary Breen was to of used physical force then he should also be sacked. This is just another indication on how much this club is in a mess, we are worse off than we were under Hoddle!!

Worse off than under Hoddle? You really are talking BS now.

[jlovatt]

http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1258167,00.html

[Woburn Wolf]

I don't really care what MM and Breen do to one another as long as both end up leaving the club soon.
Amen

[fenella]

that's the end of it - we move on to the next game.

If only that were true on this forum.

[Premier Quality]

"There were too many other people around for it to go further than a bit of shouting"

I thought we had some kind of video evidence of neck grabbing and ABH?

I know this is only one side, but it shows we don't need to over-react to rumours.....

Personally I'm happy they got stroppy in the changing room, it was crap defending. I'm also happy the air is cleared like adults and they can try and win the next game.

[Redditch Wolves]

Worse off than under Hoddle? You really are talking BS now.

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league? The football we play is rubbish, players are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are, captain and manager falling out, early bird sales will be under 10,000 etc etc the list goes on.

What you and the rest of the happy brigade have to realise is that just because Mick had one good season doesn't make him "god" status. He is taking the club backwards!!

[Del Woppio]

There's no mention of when Mick thottled him with fishing wire on the training ground though. Typical lack of comunication to the fans.

[Del Woppio]

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league?

Did McCarthy inherit a squad anywhere near as strong as that Hoddle did? No.

The football we play is rubbish, It was thenplayers are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are Only the $$$$/lazy ones, captain and manager falling out Hoddle wouldn't fall out with a captain because he didn't care, early bird sales will be under 10,000 speculationetc etc the list you mean bull$$$$ goes on.


...

[Woburn Wolf]

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league? The football we play is rubbish, players are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are, captain and manager falling out, early bird sales will be under 10,000 etc etc the list goes on.

What you and the rest of the happy brigade have to realise is that just because Mick had one good season doesn't make him "god" status. He is taking the club backwards!!
Well said

[Kenny-11]

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league?

and when we did give him money he spunked it all on Frankowski


The football we play is rubbish,
Still nowhere as bad as under Hoddle


players are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are, captain and manager falling out,
Under Hoddle we had Ganea not happy and openly saying so. Also a training ground punch up between players

[Axle]

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league? The football we play is rubbish, players are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are, captain and manager falling out, early bird sales will be under 10,000 etc etc the list goes on.

What you and the rest of the happy brigade have to realise is that just because Mick had one good season doesn't make him "god" status. He is taking the club backwards!!

Yes. Well said sir. You are a scholar and a gent.

[Redditch Wolves]

Hoddle didnt have the type of money McCarthy has and look where we are in the league?

and when we did give him money he spunked it all on Frankowski


The football we play is rubbish,
Still nowhere as bad as under Hoddle


players are coming out in the press stating how unhappy they are, captain and manager falling out,
Under Hoddle we had Ganea not happy and openly saying so. Also a training ground punch up between players

1.2 million was the Fee for Frankowski, hrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm £10 million pounds this fool has spent and look where we are??? At least we tried to play football under Hoddle, all we do is hoof under McCarthy.

[The Vicar]

I support Big Mick but if Hoddle had been given the funding that Mick has, we would be in the premiership now.

[Del Woppio]

Compare the squads that they both inherited Redditch. Hoddle's time at Wolves will have cost more than McCarthy's because of the wages of the Premier League ahs beens we were employing.

[Redditch Wolves]

Compare the squads that they both inherited Redditch. Hoddle's time at Wolves will have cost more than McCarthy's because of the wages of the Premier League ahs beens we were employing.

You cant say that because Hoddle was not given the resources that Mick has had so we will never know. The crap we keep signing under Mick is quite getting scary

[Premier Quality]

Hoddle was given more money than mick but spent it on wages - its like saying allerdyce didnt spend much at bolton - its because he got highly paid players in and spent the money that way.

I cant see me enjoying being a wolves fan any less than under hoddle, I hated his football, I hated the overpaid over-rated has beens like Anderton and i hated the utter rubbish he talked after and before games. the guys an idiot. In my opinion ofc.

And overall, I'm happy with most of MM's signings to be honest, we're miles better off than when he started. Thats not to say I'm enjoying the football we're playing as I'm not, but theres still very few of the players he's signed that I'd get shot of.

Redditch, would you get rid of Kights, Eastwood, SEB, Edwards, Foley, Elokobi, Jarvis? ? all highly rated youngsters who could do a lot for us in the future. I wouldnt call them all crap.

[Axle]

Yes, MM has made some questionable signings, but Edwards is solid, Keogh is a fine player, Ebanks-Blake scores goals, everyone was happy when Eastwood signed, Kightly is a gem, Elkobi will improve with time.

Imagine if we inverted the last season to this season, would we all be calling for his head? I believe that any club should give any manager three seasons, irrespective of whether that is Wise at Leeds, Wenger at Arsenal or Fat Sam at Newcastle. We need to give them time, if they 'fail' after three seasons, then I think that's fair, but patience has to be key. hiring and firing has not worked in the past, why would it work now? Both Taylor and McGoo have had some success since they left Wolves, wouldn't it be horrific if MM left and took Saints or Leicester up ahead of us.

One more season then evaluate. Less knee jerk reactions.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You cant say that because Hoddle was not given the resources that Mick has had so we will never know. The crap we keep signing under Mick is quite getting scary

Why do people keep saying he has made crap signings? I think this is one part of his management that can't be questioned.

The majority of his signings have improved in value since signing for Wolves. Eastwood being an obvious exception, but everyone was happy when we signed him.

[Redditch Wolves]

Premier Quality - hahahaha dont make me laugh we did not spend more than £10 million on wages under Hoddle, utter nonsense.

Edwards is another player that likes to run around like a headlesss chicken, no quality. Elokabi will be another Mo Camara, Kightly was not signed by Mick as he never saw him play, the treatment of Eastwood is farsical, Foley is looking like a pratt with the style of play we are playing under big nose, SEB looks the business but could be a whole letter better if he sued weight watches.

The problem with Mick is that his tactical awareness is not very good, he is stubborn, plays too many of his favourites and would rather have a team of headless chickens than a bit of quality. If he was to get us in to the Premiership (he won't) it would be a nightmare as he can't handle quality players

[Axle]

If he plays his favourites will Breen be playing in the next game?

[Del Woppio]

Hoddles Wolves were costing at least £3.5 pa more than the Wolves Mick inherited. Allied to the fact that Mick had to replace Lescott, Jackie, Ince, Mickey, Kennedy, Miller from the core first team squad, and lost the strength (or numbers) in depth offered by Ganea, Ross, Seol, Postma, Ricketts, Ndah,, Anderton I'd say that it's a job that is underestimated because of the current plight. The morons suggesting we'd be better off under Hoddle are short sighted idiots.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Premier Quality - hahahaha dont make me laugh we did not spend more than £10 million on wages under Hoddle, utter nonsense.

Edwards is another player that likes to run around like a headlesss chicken, no quality. Elokabi will be another Mo Camara, Kightly was not signed by Mick as he never saw him play, the treatment of Eastwood is farsical, Foley is looking like a pratt with the style of play we are playing under big nose, SEB looks the business but could be a whole letter better if he sued weight watches.

The problem with Mick is that his tactical awareness is not very good, he is stubborn, plays too many of his favourites and would rather have a team of headless chickens than a bit of quality. If he was to get us in to the Premiership (he won't) it would be a nightmare as he can't handle quality players

I could spend an hour ripping that apart, but i'll stick to transfers.

I'm not a fan of MM, his tactics or his man management but the one thing i can credit him with is bringing the likes of Keogh, Seb, Kightly, McIndoe, Henry (last season he was quality), Jarvis, Edwards to Wolves, all of those players are now of more value than when we signed them. By definition meaning they are good signings.

[OCD Wolf]

The problem with Mick is that his tactical awareness is not very good, he is stubborn, plays too many of his favourites and would rather have a team of headless chickens than a bit of quality. If he was to get us in to the Premiership (he won't) it would be a nightmare as he can't handle quality players

I genuinely think he doesn't understand the concept of quaility players, he doesn't recognise or value it nor does he encourage it. As a player I'm sure he was very limited in ability and I'd imagine him being kind of jealous of players with skill and wanting to kick them.

It's just so obvious, he can relatively succeed in an environment where strength, effort and endeavour prevailed (the Championship of years ago) but fails where an appreciation of tactics and quality is needed.

A manager soon turns players into their own image. God help us, get him out before he turns our youth into 'plucky triers'

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hoddles Wolves were costing at least £3.5 pa more than the Wolves Mick inherited. Allied to the fact that Mick had to replace Lescott, Jackie, Ince, Mickey, Kennedy, Miller from the core first team squad, and lost the strength (or numbers) in depth offered by Ganea, Ross, Seol, Postma, Ricketts, Ndah,, Anderton I'd say that it's a job that is underestimated because of the current plight. The morons suggesting we'd be better off under Hoddle are short sighted idiots.

Couldn't agree more. Not forgetting Naylor, Aliadiere and Huddlestone who spent alot of that season in our 1st team too!

Us coming only 7th with Lescott, Ince, Seol, Cameron, Miller, Naylor, Murray, Aliadiere and Huddlestone in our team was nothing short of criminal!

[fenella]

Hoddles Wolves were costing at least £3.5 pa more than the Wolves Mick inherited. Allied to the fact that Mick had to replace Lescott, Jackie, Ince, Mickey, Kennedy, Miller from the core first team squad, and lost the strength (or numbers) in depth offered by Ganea, Ross, Seol, Postma, Ricketts, Ndah,, Anderton I'd say that it's a job that is underestimated because of the current plight. The morons suggesting we'd be better off under Hoddle are short sighted idiots.

Simply writing the word "Anderton" convinces me we're better off under McCarthy.

[Kenny-11]

all we do is hoof under McCarthy.

myth.

We do play it long but not 100% of the time.
Also, Tuesday game. Ball in defence - played to Henry - Played to Elliot - back to Foley - To Henry - attempted ball on the ground to Blake - defender gets ball - Crowd goes livid, boo's shouts of get it $$$$ing forward. next attack, Henry to Foley - long ball to Kyle........BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Make your $$$$ing minds you nuggets.

[Del Woppio]

"Stop $$$$ing about with it and gerrit forward" was heard by 'Bob the $$$$' in the build up to our first on Tuesday.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick McCarthy
that's the end of it - we move on to the next game.


If only that were true on this forum.

___________________________________-

OOPS. Kettle, pot, black. Only you cant see it can you Fenella. Still its good for a laugh for those of us who can.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

1.2 million was the Fee for Frankowski, hrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm £10 million pounds this fool has spent and look where we are??? At least we tried to play football under Hoddle, all we do is hoof under McCarthy.
Its okay Kenny has problems with things like this. I think maybe he is better at trying to have a pop at me than football matters.

[Moira Stewart]

The football was bad under Hoddle but lets make no bones about it the football we played against Southampton was worse than under Hoddle.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Returning to the subject of the thread. Disputes between staff go on all the time and should be kept in house. The problem with McCarthy is the whole world is getting to see these incidents. When that happens you know you have more serious problems within the club.

[Kenny-11]

Its okay Kenny has problems with things like this. I think maybe he is better at trying to have a pop at me than football matters.

You're a strange character.

[Kenny-11]

Returning to the subject of the thread. Disputes between staff go on all the time and should be kept in house. The problem with McCarthy is the whole world is getting to see these incidents. When that happens you know you have more serious problems within the club.

Very hard to keep things in house though if the punch is in the tunnel. Someone will always say something then the club are forced to comment.
Same goes at training. With fans and media down there, anything out of the ordinary and the matter is spread within minutes.

John Terry v Chelsea Number 2 for example
Fergies boot into Becks head
hartson volleying a player in the head
Ganea and O'Connor having a fight.

It is near impossible to keep it in house.

[No. 7 George Bowen]

Hoddle was given more money than mick but spent it on wages - its like saying allerdyce didnt spend much at bolton - its because he got highly paid players in and spent the money that way.

I cant see me enjoying being a wolves fan any less than under hoddle, I hated his football, I hated the overpaid over-rated has beens like Anderton and i hated the utter rubbish he talked after and before games. the guys an idiot. In my opinion ofc.

And overall, I'm happy with most of MM's signings to be honest, we're miles better off than when he started. Thats not to say I'm enjoying the football we're playing as I'm not, but theres still very few of the players he's signed that I'd get shot of.

Redditch, would you get rid of Kights, Eastwood, SEB, Edwards, Foley, Elokobi, Jarvis? ? all highly rated youngsters who could do a lot for us in the future. I wouldnt call them all crap.

Agree with this. I would give Mick the start of next season with hopefully a fit Kightly, Jarvis and maybe our naughty boy Mark Davies (if he can't get his head down and play a role in our last few games). His signings and first season has earned him the right. We can all see the team we could be fielding next season both in terms of quality ascetically and delivering performance wise.

Worse case scenario Morgan sacks him after 10-15 games and a new manager comes in with a young and hugely talented squad. There is no one out there I would want at the moment and I say go ahead ala the Yanks at Liverpool and line someone up but publicly support Mick and make the terms known. Maybe we will have to roll the dice on a new guy (Sheringham?) as I just don't see who is better.

[glasgowwolf]

Sorry, but Football is different end of story.

Rubgy is different.

I do not care passionately about my job, yes I care to do a good job, but it's different.

Sport is the only thing in which normal rules do not apply.

Football has been littered with training ground bust up's, dressing room bust up's.

Fergusson, John Terry, Andy Cole, Teddy Sheringham, Bully, Linekar......

It is normal for there to be arguments, fights etc.

It is totally different to hitting someone in the office.

I would rather this happened after the dissapointment of the late equaliser rather than everyone accept it.

Of course everyone who accepts it deemed a happy clapper, just like everyone who is using it to berate the manager is a doom monger.


No one is happy with how this season has gone. We have not progressed as we wanted, however Football is not a sciencem you cannot say we will do this in the coming season, do that in the next season etc.

My biggest issue with this season, is not the results, it is not the performances, it is the style of play.

I am hopeful that McCarthy will change his style of play next season to the fast flowing football from the Hoof ball we seem to be playing now.

But to use a training ground / Dressing room row, as a weapon against the manager is clutching at straws.

[JR's Boots]

I'm no fan of McCarthy but I don't blame him for losing his rag after conceding a goal against a dire team playing with 10 men. I was pretty miffed myself going home and if given the chance would have strangled our defenders.

It does show however the pressure McCarthy is under. It's bad news all round as he's picking teams to avoid defeat, playing safety first stuff that leads to hard working, route one non-footballers like Kyle and Collins and the dross served up for the first hour against Southampton.

[Premier Quality]

Premier Quality - hahahaha dont make me laugh we did not spend more than £10 million on wages under Hoddle, utter nonsense.

Edwards is another player that likes to run around like a headlesss chicken, no quality. Elokabi will be another Mo Camara, Kightly was not signed by Mick as he never saw him play, the treatment of Eastwood is farsical, Foley is looking like a pratt with the style of play we are playing under big nose, SEB looks the business but could be a whole letter better if he sued weight watches.

The problem with Mick is that his tactical awareness is not very good, he is stubborn, plays too many of his favourites and would rather have a team of headless chickens than a bit of quality. If he was to get us in to the Premiership (he won't) it would be a nightmare as he can't handle quality players

add it up redditch, Anderton, Ince, Cameron, Lescott, Jackie, Kennedy, Miller, Ganea, Ross, Seol, Postma, Ricketts, Ndah - how much do you think they were paid in comparison to Kights, Collins, Foley and the other youngsters we brought it?

If you look at it sensibly rather than just levering as many poor attempts at jokes like "Big Nose" and "Weight Watches" you'd see actually hoddle did spend his budget on wages rather than transfers with the exception of Frankowski.

And actually MM did sign Kightly, you're just trying to slag the bad and ignore the good, which is pretty childish. If you're arguament is cohesive you should be confident you can put the good points as well in the knowledge they are outweighed by the bad.

I'll wait a month before reminding you of "Elokobi is another camara, Edwards is a headless chicken and foley is a pratt". Personally I think they all have good potential.

I'll wait for the next rant.

[UEAwolf]

Give me Hoddle over McCarthy as manager any day of the week.

[Del Woppio]

http://www.abc.net.au/cnnnn/features/img/ep06memory01.jpg

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Give me Hoddle over McCarthy as manager any day of the week.

Joker.

[Rhoswolf]

If the only positive about MM is that he may be better than Hoddle, then he realliy is in trouble. As stated on a previous thread, I think these 2 along with Docherty rank amongst the worst managers we've had in the last 50 years.

[Oldgoldwulf]

Give me Hoddle over McCarthy as manager any day of the week.

I'm pretty sick of McCarthy right now but I cannot believe someone has come out with this one!!!

Is it April 1st??? :rolleyes:

[Del Woppio]

I think some people forget how much $$$$ we were in when he took over. I’m not saying that he should stay indefinitely because of what he did, but to suggest he’s one of the worst managers we’ve ever had is reactionary twaddle. I’ve been watching Wolves for 15 years, and he’s not even the worst manager in that timescale, let alone the last 120 years.

[UEAwolf]

Hoddle had far less resources for the transfer market and tried toget the team playing passing football. Granted the signing of Frankowski in hindsight was a huge mistake. But he was given a budget of 1m to buy a forward to get us promoted. He went for an older, more experienced striker with a track record of scoring goals. I thought was a good signing at the time.


It would have been interesting to see whether Hoddle would have fared any better with more money.

Under McCarthy i've seen the worst performance at Molineux-- Leicester at home, a diabolical defence, terrible, terrible players like Elliott and Kyle getting picked over other, more capable players.

The only saving grace is the signing of Kightly, it was the form of Kightly and Murray last season which saw us scrape into the playoffs--nothing else.

[fenella]

This reminds me. I don't think we've had an argument about whether Dave Jones was a good manager for ages.

[Del Woppio]

Hoddle had far less resources for the transfer market and tried toget the team playing passing football. Granted the signing of Frankowski in hindsight was a huge mistake. But he was given a budget of 1m to buy a forward to get us promoted. He went for an older, more experienced striker with a track record of scoring goals. I thought was a good signing at the time.


It would have been interesting to see whether Hoddle would have fared any better with more money.

Under McCarthy i've seen the worst performance at Molineux-- Leicester at home, a diabolical defence, terrible, terrible players like Elliott and Kyle getting picked over other, more capable players.

The only saving grace is the signing of Kightly, it was the form of Kightly and Murray last season which saw us scrape into the playoffs--nothing else.

Read the rest of the thread for the financials. Then shut up.

[jonesey85]

Right ok then lets look at it in another perspective shall we. Example:

I get called in to the office by my boss and he wants to know why I have under valued a land aquisition in which I get very defensive which provokes my boss in to grabbing me by the throat and threatning to kill me.

My boss would not only get the boot but would be up for assault so tell me how it's not any different with a football club?

This club is in a right mess, get rid of McCarthy as this is now one step too far.

If you honestly cant see the difference between a land aquisition and a football club, you need to go back to school.

Its no wonder youre always undervaluing your land if you're that thick.

I'd be more concerned if they walked off the pitch laughing and joking to be fair, after conceding an injury time goal, but yeah you're right, you go and twist it how you see fit.

[UEAwolf]

Read the rest of the thread for the financials. Then shut up.

As always, great to see your reasoned comments.

[Wolv3nsam]

Get rid of him, he has clearly lost the dressing room and it won't do the youngsters much good seeing their captain and manager having a brawl.

It was even more wrong of Mick to lay the blame of the equaliser at Breen's door, UNLESS it was him that lost Jason Euell in the box. Breen was arguably the best defender on show, and to take it out on him was completely wrong.

Yes it shows passion, but he should be bitching at all of the players. Collins and Foley were miles worse than Breen so I hope to god they got a rollocking too - and Elokobi got a rollocking for not kicking the ball out which would have prevented the corner!

[Rhoswolf]

DW entitled to your opinion, as am I presumably (?). Of the managers over the last 20 years or so, I would prefer Turner, Taylor, Jones than MM. McGee was certainly no worse, which leaves Hoddle and Lee. Lee didn't get a great deal of support and Hoddle was on a par with MM.

Reactionary twaddle, I think not!

[Oldgoldwulf]

I don't agree with the pro-Hoddle sentiment BUT I do agree to a certain extent that McCarthy struck lucky last season... mainly by stumbling across Kightly... Jay scoring a few wonder-goals... and Murray being unbeatable.

Circumstances helped him out (massively low expectations) but I really think we pretty much fluked getting to the play-offs, after completely rebuilding the squad halfway thru the season.

This year he has had a lot of cash to spend and he has bought poorly on the whole (with a few notable exceptions) but it's tactically where Mick is constantly found wanting i'm afraid.

IMHO - last season (whilst enjoyable) is a bit of a smokescreen and disguised the fact that Mick is actually a pretty $$$$ manager.

This is a difficult point for me to explain - and i'm expecting to get shot down over this...

I just don't rate him at all... last season was great for a lot of reasons... but McCarthy has never ever convinced me that he knows what he is doing and I think his time is up now.

[JR's Boots]

I don't agree with the pro-Hoddle sentiment BUT I do agree to a certain extent that McCarthy struck lucky last season... mainly by stumbling across Kightly... Jay scoring a few wonder-goals... and Murray being unbeatable.

Circumstances helped him out (massively low expectations) but I really think we pretty much fluked getting to the play-offs, after completely rebuilding the squad halfway thru the season.

This year he has had a lot of cash to spend and he has bought poorly on the whole (with a few notable exceptions) but it's tactically where Mick is constantly found wanting i'm afraid.

IMHO - last season (whilst enjoyable) is a bit of a smokescreen and disguised the fact that Mick is actually a pretty $$$$ manager.

This is a difficult point for me to explain - and i'm expecting to get shot down over this...

I just don't rate him at all... last season was great for a lot of reasons... but McCarthy has never ever convinced me that he knows what he is doing and I think his time is up now.

McCarthy is an average manager of an average team. If we want a good team we have to appoint an good manager. End of.

[Del Woppio]

As always, great to see your reasoned comments.

Well, I couldn't be arsed to type it all out again. Synopsis - Hoddle spent little on transfer fees, but inherited a far better squad, and spent over £3m p/a more on wages (conservatively). What money Mick has spent is on assets with increasing value. If Mick left tomorrow, we would be in an infinaetly better position then when he joined. You can't say that for Hoddle.

[John]

Sorry, but Football is different end of story.
It would like to think it is but it isn't. Punching people who messed up was common place in the Army only ten years ago. The Army thought it was different. It isn't. The same laws apply. If Mick punched Breen or the other way round, they could be sacked for gross misconduct. The reason clubs don't sack players, even Joey Barton, is they would lose potential money from a sale. Players know this and it doesn't help thier attitude.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

As always, great to see your reasoned comments.

Reasoned comments have been made. Check the rest of the thread.

Hoddle had money but chose to spend it on Andertons, Ince's wages etc.

Hoddle had a very good squad (Lescott, Murray, Naylor, Miller, Ince, Ganea, Huddlestone, Aliadiere, Kennedy) we came 7th.

With a much weaker starting squad MM came 5th.

The facts speak for themselves.

[jonesey85]

Returning to the subject of the thread. Disputes between staff go on all the time and should be kept in house. The problem with McCarthy is the whole world is getting to see these incidents. When that happens you know you have more serious problems within the club.

I would rather have everything out in the open instead of the smoke and mirrors you get at a lot of other clubs.

Openness first is always the best policy. Most **** gets found out anyway, so you might as well tell it like it is and keep your integrity intact.

Too many professionals and public servants (for example MP's) are criticised today for keeping things under wraps, we all hate it when they do it, so why do you hate having a culture of openness at your football club?

At least MM respects the fact that the fans are the clubs family and has no shame in airing any dispute which arises in house. The teams problem is our problem, we deserve to be shown this respect as loyal investors to the club.

Im interested in how the players behave, why so and so has been dropped, and so forth. We pay good money to see these blokes kick a ball, the least we deserve is to be given the straight facts.

If anybody wishes to distance themselves from this, then get on the train to Chelsea.

[OCD Wolf]

I don't agree with the pro-Hoddle sentiment BUT I do agree to a certain extent that McCarthy struck lucky last season... mainly by stumbling across Kightly... Jay scoring a few wonder-goals... and Murray being unbeatable.

Circumstances helped him out (massively low expectations) but I really think we pretty much fluked getting to the play-offs, after completely rebuilding the squad halfway thru the season.

This year he has had a lot of cash to spend and he has bought poorly on the whole (with a few notable exceptions) but it's tactically where Mick is constantly found wanting i'm afraid.

IMHO - last season (whilst enjoyable) is a bit of a smokescreen and disguised the fact that Mick is actually a pretty $$$$ manager.

This is a difficult point for me to explain - and i'm expecting to get shot down over this...

I just don't rate him at all... last season was great for a lot of reasons... but McCarthy has never ever convinced me that he knows what he is doing and I think his time is up now.

Agree entirely, post of the year as far as I'm concerned...

[Wolv3nsam]

However it won't do the young players any good seeing Eastwood, Potter and Ward running to the press with complaints and Breen and McCarthy having a bust-up infront of their faces - they all stem from the same problem, and that problem is McCarthy and his crap man management skills.

Tempers were flaring on the pitch as well as Breen and McCarthy were shouting at eachother constantly and Breen was seemingly quite baffled about it.

[jonesey85]

add it up redditch, Anderton, Ince, Cameron, Lescott, Jackie, Kennedy, Miller, Ganea, Ross, Seol, Postma, Ricketts, Ndah - how much do you think they were paid in comparison to Kights, Collins, Foley and the other youngsters we brought it?

If you look at it sensibly rather than just levering as many poor attempts at jokes like "Big Nose" and "Weight Watches" you'd see actually hoddle did spend his budget on wages rather than transfers with the exception of Frankowski.

And actually MM did sign Kightly, you're just trying to slag the bad and ignore the good, which is pretty childish. If you're arguament is cohesive you should be confident you can put the good points as well in the knowledge they are outweighed by the bad.

I'll wait a month before reminding you of "Elokobi is another camara, Edwards is a headless chicken and foley is a pratt". Personally I think they all have good potential.

I'll wait for the next rant.

I dont see that as a bad thing :D (as long as you mean Mo)

[yatess]

potter lost his man...
Lost? No wonder when he bent forward & shut his eyes!
"....98, 99, 100 - COMING!!"

[Oldgoldwulf]

Agree entirely, post of the year as far as I'm concerned...

Thanks mate... not used to getting those sorts of compliments on here...

Actually, i've just come on my leg. :)

[UEAwolf]

Well, I couldn't be arsed to type it all out again. Synopsis - Hoddle spent little on transfer fees, but inherited a far better squad, and spent over £3m p/a more on wages (conservatively). What money Mick has spent is on assets with increasing value. If Mick left tomorrow, we would be in an infinaetly better position then when he joined. You can't say that for Hoddle.

Hoddle inherited those players. He was left with the likes of Cameron, Kennedy and Ince who were coming to the end of their careers and with hefty contracts were hard to offload.

I would have liked to him operate under the conditions McCarthy is under now--greater financial resources and that overused 'young and hungry' phrase.

I'm sorry for having the temerity to disagree with you, but given the hypothetical choice now who I would want to see as manager and who would be able to get the best out of the squad i'd choose Hoddle.

[jonesey85]

I support Big Mick but if Hoddle had been given the funding that Mick has, we would be in the premiership now.

Stories about a bearded man gathering animals into a giant boat, a woman biting an apple turning the world into a bad place, and GH having the ability to get us into the Prem.

You vicars will believe anything. Lock yourself in the church please my friend.

[Del Woppio]

Hoddle inherited those players. He was left with the likes of Cameron, Kennedy and Ince who were coming to the end of their careers and with hefty contracts were hard to offload.

I would have liked to him operate under the conditions McCarthy is under now--greater financial resources and that overused 'young and hungry' phrase.

I'm sorry for having the temerity to disagree with you, but given the hypothetical choice now who I would want to see as manager and who would be able to get the best out of the squad i'd choose Hoddle.

Hoddle had the option of trying to build 'his own squad', but bottled it as he has neither the ability or patience. He left this club at an irresponsible time, with a thread-bare playing staff. We had witnessed awful, awful football for months. His time with Wolves, and McCarthy's time with Wolves are at opposite ends of the scale, despite this season's failings.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hoddle inherited those players. He was left with the likes of Cameron, Kennedy and Ince who were coming to the end of their careers and with hefty contracts were hard to offload.

I would have liked to him operate under the conditions McCarthy is under now--greater financial resources and that overused 'young and hungry' phrase.

I'm sorry for having the temerity to disagree with you, but given the hypothetical choice now who I would want to see as manager and who would be able to get the best out of the squad i'd choose Hoddle.

Fair enough.

In my view Hoddle didn't have the man management skills to get the best out of a very talented squad.

[Oldgoldwulf]

Stories about a bearded man gathering animals into a giant boat, a woman biting an apple turning the world into a bad place, and GH having the ability to get us into the Prem.

You vicars will believe anything. Lock yourself in the church please my friend.


OUCH!!! :eek:

[jonesey85]

I think some people forget how much $$$$ we were in when he took over. I’m not saying that he should stay indefinitely because of what he did, but to suggest he’s one of the worst managers we’ve ever had is reactionary twaddle. I’ve been watching Wolves for 15 years, and he’s not even the worst manager in that timescale, let alone the last 120 years.

Thats exactly the type of crap you get from these Daily Sport readers im afraid mate. I love how easy it is to whip them into a frenzy though I have to say.

[Wolv3nsam]

In my view Hoddle didn't have the man management skills to get the best out of a very talented squad.

Agree, but Mick has let 3 players run to the press before they've spoken to him (assumingly anyway, I know Ward hadn't as he said in his article) and he even apparently went toe to toe with his captain in front of the rest of the dressing room. His only success story has been turning Jay Bothroyd's attitude around - and even then he still can't motivate Bothroyd to have a high level of performance every match, Olofinjana is another one who seemingly can't be motivated.

It's not that I'd prefer Hoddle, but for once we need to find a decent quality manager preferably with good Premiership experience.

[jonesey85]

It would like to think it is but it isn't. Punching people who messed up was common place in the Army only ten years ago. The Army thought it was different. It isn't. The same laws apply. If Mick punched Breen or the other way round, they could be sacked for gross misconduct. The reason clubs don't sack players, even Joey Barton, is they would lose potential money from a sale. Players know this and it doesn't help thier attitude.

Along with the fact that this is a football club, and by its very nature doesnt contain the type of bloke you would typically find in an office.... and thank **** because we have to have passion to succeed.

I like to think that there is an unwritten code of conduct amongst football pros where any rook that occurs doesn't get reported to the police. (Unless proper GBH occurs). I dont see anything wrong with a couple of shoves amongst friends, at least they bloody care.

Hoddle just used to **** off back to London at the end of every game. Yeah, I much prefer that, lets get him back in with all of his has beens who dont give a toss.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Agree, but Mick has let 3 players run to the press before they've spoken to him (assumingly anyway, I know Ward hadn't as he said in his article) and he even apparently went toe to toe with his captain in front of the rest of the dressing room. His only success story has been turning Jay Bothroyd's attitude around - and even then he still can't motivate Bothroyd to have a high level of performance every match, Olofinjana is another one who seemingly can't be motivated.

I think its fair to say both MM and GH each have man management issues in the past:

GH - Paul Gascoigne, Sheringham, Tim Sherwood, Ganea (off the top my head i'm sure there are more)

MM - Roy Keane, Freddy, Potter, Ward

But that may also me down to the player's own personality. The greatest managers in the world fall out with players.

[Del Woppio]

It's not that I'd prefer Hoddle, but for once we need to find a decent quality manager preferably with good Premiership experience.

Why would a decent quality manager with good Premiership experience come to the most Championship club in the country?

[Wolv3nsam]

Why would a decent quality manager with good Premiership experience come to the most Championship club in the country?

Wimabigclub.

[Woburn Wolf]

Hoddle is a far better coach than McCarthy but IMV did not recognise that most of his players did not have the ability to play the fluid, passing game that he believes in. This resulted in players giving the ball away, not being sufficiently aware of what was going on around them etc. etc. It is interesting that Mark Davies was flourishing under Hoddle and I suspect Gleeson would have figured too if the money and the young and hungry philosophy had been in existence when he was at the Mol. I also b believe he could have improved players, unlike McCarthy.

[Paul76]

It's good to see some passion at the club. It's good to see how much the manager and players care about Wolves.

[Del Woppio]

I'll agree that he improved individuals technically, but Hoddle did have serious issues with players of limited ability, and couldn't adapt the collective to that.
Everybody who played under him was probably a better player for it, but the team didn't work as Hoddle seemed to forget about the limitations when turning his thoughts to game plans and tactics.

[No. 7 George Bowen]

Hoddle is a far better coach than McCarthy but IMV did not recognise that most of his players did not have the ability to play the fluid, passing game that he believes in. This resulted in players giving the ball away, not being sufficiently aware of what was going on around them etc. etc. It is interesting that Mark Davies was flourishing under Hoddle and I suspect Gleeson would have figured too if the money and the young and hungry philosophy had been in existence when he was at the Mol. I also b believe he could have improved players, unlike McCarthy.

The only success he had is getting Swindon promoted via the POs. He was average to failure everywhere else unlike Mick who has a better but not exceptional track record.

Helps if you are not injured.

Did he not do well against Morecambe.

It was, Hoddle was just honest and realised he wasn't up to it.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Inspite of claiming to be "religeous", Hoddle was unprincipled and unethical. He signed his coaching staff to extended contracts then quit the club leaving basically no time for the club to find a replacement and staff up in adequate time before the new season.

McCarthy may open his trap before putting his brain in gear, rub people up the wrong way etc. but I don't rate him as unethical.

[UEAwolf]

Hoddle had the option of trying to build 'his own squad', but bottled it as he has neither the ability or patience. He left this club at an irresponsible time, with a thread-bare playing staff. We had witnessed awful, awful football for months. His time with Wolves, and McCarthy's time with Wolves are at opposite ends of the scale, despite this season's failings.

Yes, McCarthy was the right man at the right time. The club needed a firefighter and he did a decent job.

Unfortunatly McCarthy isnt the right man to take the club forward imo.

When he goes (sooner rather than later) i'd hope Morgan takes the recruitment out of Moxey's hands. He should use his contacts in the game for advice.

I'd like to see us appoint a foreign manager.

[No. 7 George Bowen]

Yes, McCarthy was the right man at the right time. The club needed a firefighter and he did a decent job.

Unfortunatly McCarthy isnt the right man to take the club forward imo.

When he goes (sooner rather than later) i'd hope Morgan takes the recruitment out of Moxey's hands. He should use his contacts in the game for advice.

I'd like to see us appoint a foreign manager.

I would like to see Alain Perrin brought in or perhaps Attilo Lombardo. Their knowledge of the English mentality, opposition Championship players and up 'n' coming young English players would be a real boon.

[Wolv3nsam]

I would like to see Alain Perrin brought in or perhaps Attilo Lombardo. Their knowledge of the English mentality, opposition Championship players and up 'n' coming young English players would be a real boon.

I wouldn't mind giving Martinez a go or Tigana either.

[No. 7 George Bowen]

Along with the fact that this is a football club, and by its very nature doesnt contain the type of bloke you would typically find in an office.... and thank **** because we have to have passion to succeed.

I like to think that there is an unwritten code of conduct amongst football pros where any rook that occurs doesn't get reported to the police. (Unless proper GBH occurs). I dont see anything wrong with a couple of shoves amongst friends, at least they bloody care.

Hoddle just used to **** off back to London at the end of every game. Yeah, I much prefer that, lets get him back in with all of his has beens who dont give a toss.

and ugly birds are more interesting than attractive ones are just two white lies people tell to make people feel better about themselves.

[Del Woppio]

Yes, McCarthy was the right man at the right time. The club needed a firefighter and he did a decent job.

Unfortunatly McCarthy isnt the right man to take the club forward imo.

I'd agree with that, but I don't think he deserves the boot just yet.

When he goes (sooner rather than later) i'd hope Morgan takes the recruitment out of Moxey's hands. He should use his contacts in the game for advice.

I'd like to see us appoint a foreign manager.

This is a bit of a pet hate of mine. Moxey's appointment record is no better or worse than 95% of the other league clubs. Barring those in their first English league job, everybody except Moyes and Ferguson have been sacked for poor performance.* Does this mean that every other CEO/Chairman is $$$$ at recruitment as well? If we face facts, having the right man at the right time comes down to luck.

Re. Morgan's contacts - I wouldn't imagine he has a tenth of the football knowledge and or contacts than Moxey has.

[No. 7 George Bowen]

I wouldn't mind giving Martinez a go or Tigana either.

Martinez- at least he knows the English leagues.

Tigana- Think Coleman after and Keegan before did better jobs.

We could of course do what alot of Prem teams did and extrapolate that Wenger does well because he is French and thus hiring a Frenchman will bring us success. Of course we could actually realise Wenger is a German surname, he is from Alsace, he speaks fluent German and his father fought in the GrossDeutschland division in the war. Ottmar Hitzfeld it is.

It is not about nationality but a person who knows the league and the players beforehand has a head start.

[Atlas 1951]

Looking at the table you'd have to imagine we'd be in top spot had we had two wingers all season, or even just Kightly all season. I think Mick has been unlucky in that respect and it isn't just about getting cover in, because he's got other people who can play wide on the books, and they happen to be injured too (e.g. Gobern).

However, by the same token, he's a one-trick pony and his lack of flank players has exposed the quality of his other purchases, as well as his tactical aptitudes, to scrutiny. To field a team with Potter on the right and Ward on the left in a 4-4-2, as he did at Barnsley, suggests an extremely limited strategic repertoire. And I think it will be counterproductive for some of the younger players to switch from fast passing play to long ball 4-5-1 out of desperation. That kind of u-turn can really unsettle players.

[northnorfolkwolf]

As I've said many times Mick is just thick. Breen is possibly (likely) to be far more intelliigent and articulate than his manager and able to take him to pieces in an argument. I would see Mick resorting to shouting and strong language rather than have a reasoned debate about the goal/performance. If this all took place in front of the other players it is a disgrace and Breen was quite right to leave as it would have been a no win confrontation for him.

[wallace]

losing the 2 mcs this season and then injuries to jarvis and kites along with gobern as severly dented our ambitions this season and this should be taken on board when judging this season. not getting cover for the wings as cost us dear and mick should accept that to be a major error by him, but having said that, it isnt easy to get the quality players you need and wage demands can be over the top, but to talk of sacking him is a bit premature.

[Kenny-11]

As I've said many times Mick is just thick. Breen is possibly (likely) to be far more intelliigent and articulate than his manager and able to take him to pieces in an argument. I would see Mick resorting to shouting and strong language rather than have a reasoned debate about the goal/performance. If this all took place in front of the other players it is a disgrace and Breen was quite right to leave as it would have been a no win confrontation for him.

Nugget

[ProudWolf]

As I've said many times Mick is just thick. Breen is possibly (likely) to be far more intelliigent and articulate than his manager and able to take him to pieces in an argument. I would see Mick resorting to shouting and strong language rather than have a reasoned debate about the goal/performance. If this all took place in front of the other players it is a disgrace and Breen was quite right to leave as it would have been a no win confrontation for him.

That Alex Ferguson must be so intelligent, he always has reasoned debate in his changing room and would never resort to shouting at the naughty players or doing anything slightly violent infront of any other players. Thick nugget.

[Evolution Wolf]

ok for the albion game if hes dropped it gotta be we all dream of a team of Gary Breen being sung over and over again

[SL2]

i heard this at work today that there was a bust up in th tunnel after the game with big nose and breen , my info came from a steward who is situated nr the tunnel


I thought Steven ward was out ??

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

I think its fair to say both MM and GH each have man management issues in the past:

GH - Paul Gascoigne, Sheringham, Tim Sherwood, Ganea (off the top my head i'm sure there are more)

MM - Roy Keane, Freddy, Potter, Ward

But that may also me down to the player's own personality. The greatest managers in the world fall out with players.
Are you telling us that the only player you know of who fell out with MM before Wolves was Roy Keane?

[W01ves]

I have to say I've enjoyed reading and posting in this debate.

Some high quality posts from both parties, it's a rare occurrence for it not to end up in the gutter. :)

[Devil's Slide Wolf]

hmmm.......this incident is having the opposite effect on me. I kinda admire MM's passion and guile but disapprove nontheless.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Are you telling us that the only player you know of who fell out with MM before Wolves was Roy Keane?

Er, yes off the top of my head. Steven Reid wasn't keen either if i recall.

[Wolv3nsam]

I thought Steven ward was out ??

What the $$$$ has happened to him? Is he going to out longer than expected because of the fabulous work of Barry Holmes?

We seem to have gone $$$$ter since he's been out :eek:

[EasternWolf]

I have to ask - is Ogerp some kind of accountant?

[Purple Ronnie]

yeah we miss the crossing ability of ward and all the assists he creates

[Elephant Pyjamas]

yeah we miss the crossing ability of ward and all the assists he creates

He creates assists?? I thought he created goals?? ;)

[ROVERT47]

What the $$$$ has happened to him? Is he going to out longer than expected because of the fabulous work of Barry Holmes?

We seem to have gone $$$$ter since he's been out :eek:
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1242292,00.html

[Wolv3nsam]

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/wolves-fc-news/2008/03/07/michael-kightly-plays-down-dressing-room-bust-up-97319-20574583/

[Purple Ronnie]

He creates assists?? I thought he created goals?? ;)

Nah he does neither :)

[Akaman]

He does create corners though, and goal kicks;)

[Dewsburywolf]

Two assists V Saints, also changed the game by being introduced. Admittedly he couldn't have made us worse.

[Elephant Pyjamas]

He does create corners though, and goal kicks;)

And boos.